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    Russia's joint military exercises with foreign countries

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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Aug 08, 2021 5:19 am

    There needs to be a need. In most cases these days, light tanks and or IFV based systems with multiple weapon systems are far more ideal than these as fighting infantry doesn't require a 120mm cannon (as seen and experienced in Chechnya, twice).

    While it's an interesting concept, it isn't widely adopted for a reason. A 120mm cannon is overkill for most targets this thing would combat against while its armor is far to weak to handle any hits from let's say a 30mm rounds used on modern IFV's. And it definately would not last against a tank.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Aug 08, 2021 6:20 am

    My understanding was that the vehicle was too small and they made it bigger to handle all the extra gear from Ratnik for each soldier... it consists of nets covering the sides of the vehicle where backpacks and equipment can be hung for the troops inside the vehicle.

    The frontal armour of Boomerang should be excellent against enemy 30mm cannons and smaller at 2km range, which means a 125mm gun armed Boomerang would kick arse against something like a Bradley because at 2km the 25mm cannon of the American vehicle would do very little damage to the Boomerang, while the damage a 125mm tank round could do to a Bradley or any other enemy BMP would be obvious.

    The future direction is to make Boomerang divisions where all 27 vehicle types in each division is Boomerang based, so logistics just need to carry one type of wheel, and support one engine and transmission type and work with one vehicle to support the entire unit.

    That means putting Sprut or T-14 turrets on one to make it a tank...

    Any obstacle they come across the mobility will be similar... all amphibious, all wheeled... similar protection all latest weapons and communications equipment.

    The Typhoon family of four and six wheeled vehicles might be too light for the 125mm gun of the Sprut, but the Sprut is an 18 ton light tank so it is about 8 tons lighter than the Boomerang tank will weigh...

    Long range accurate powerful fire power is always useful... it is the 70 ton super heavy tank that breaks all the bridges and ruins roads that is not wanted much of the time.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Aug 08, 2021 7:47 am

    GarryB wrote:My understanding was that the vehicle was too small and they made it bigger to handle all the extra gear from Ratnik for each soldier... it consists of nets covering the sides of the vehicle where backpacks and equipment can be hung for the troops inside the vehicle.

    The frontal armour of Boomerang should be excellent against enemy 30mm cannons and smaller at 2km range, which means a 125mm gun armed Boomerang would kick arse against something like a Bradley because at 2km the 25mm cannon of the American vehicle would do very little damage to the Boomerang, while the damage a 125mm tank round could do to a Bradley or any other enemy BMP would be obvious.

    The future direction is to make Boomerang divisions where all 27 vehicle types in each division is Boomerang based, so logistics just need to carry one type of wheel, and support one engine and transmission type and work with one vehicle to support the entire unit.

    That means putting Sprut or T-14 turrets on one to make it a tank...

    Any obstacle they come across the mobility will be similar... all amphibious, all wheeled... similar protection all latest weapons and communications equipment.

    The Typhoon family of four and six wheeled vehicles might be too light for the 125mm gun of the Sprut, but the Sprut is an 18 ton light tank so it is about 8 tons lighter than the Boomerang tank will weigh...

    Long range accurate powerful fire power is always useful... it is the 70 ton super heavy tank that breaks all the bridges and ruins roads that is not wanted much of the time.

    Right, exactly

    And I'll add that a wheeled brigade is not necessarily going to be used where the enemy will have armour formations anyway, not major ones. Rather IFVs, anti-armour and urban defenses.

    It's a fast mobile brigade that's useful where the road network is plenty developed. You're not going to get it to go cross-country or carry out breakthroughs.

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    Post  lyle6 Sun Aug 08, 2021 9:17 am

    Russian_Patriot_ wrote:The Russian military masters the Chinese ZBD-08 infantry fighting vehicles and ZTL-11 wheeled tanks during the Sibu/Interaction-2021 joint exercises
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    A whole link of APFSDS rounds? The Chinese are indulging the Russians Twisted Evil

    Isos wrote:They already tested italian Centoro similar to this chinese tank. I don't think they were happy with the design since 30mm equiped vehicles have the advantage over this thing.

    It's poorly armored and would be easily destroyed. Specially at close range where rpg will be quicker to use than using this gun.
    Put an APS on it and its immune to most man portable anti-tank weaponry.

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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Tue Aug 10, 2021 11:03 am

    Russian-Indian exercise Indra-2021 in the Volgograd region
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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Tue Aug 10, 2021 2:52 pm

    The 201st Russian military base has completed joint exercises with the armies of Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. More than 2.5 thousand servicemen were involved in the exercises with the use of ground equipment and aviation, of which about 1,800 represented the Russian contingent.

    Before the exercises, the 201st military base received the latest Kalashnikov AK-12 assault rifles, Yarygin pistols to replace Makarov pistols, modern ASVK-M army sniper rifles large-caliber, flamethrowers of increased throwing range and Verba MANPADS. 

    New types of weapons were also demonstrated to the military delegations of the participating countries of the exercises.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:21 am

    And I'll add that a wheeled brigade is not necessarily going to be used where the enemy will have armour formations anyway, not major ones.

    Drive a wheeled unit 4,000km and you would do it in record time over a couple of days. Do that with a tracked unit and expect it to take weeks and also expect a lot of the vehicles to need to go into overhaul...

    The speed and range of wheeled vehicles is a huge advantage in places with good road systems. Even cross country mobility isn't bad and you can work together to pull each other out of scrapes.

    A whole link of APFSDS rounds? The Chinese are indulging the Russians

    You can't mix a belt of APFSDS rounds with normal rounds because they have a totally different weight and drag and velocity so they would not go to the same point of aim as standard HE rounds.

    Guns like the 2A42 and 2A72 have separate belt feeds for different types of ammo and when you select the belt you select the different aiming sight and ballistics trajectory.

    Small fast APFSDS shoot very flat while big heavy full calibre high drag HEI rounds start much slower and slow down even faster, so using an APFSDS aim point the HE rounds would drop way short of the target, or if zeroed for the HEI rounds the HEI rounds will be on target and the APFSDS would zip over the target at an enormous height...
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    Post  George1 Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:30 pm

    The Laros-2021 joint Russian-Laotian exercise has kicked off in the Primorsky Region

    https://tass.com/defense/1324757

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    Post  George1 Wed Aug 11, 2021 5:47 pm

    Large-scale wargames have been held in Tajikistan, bringing together soldiers from three former Soviet republics to practice targeting enemy combatants and securing the border with neighboring Afghanistan, as the US withdraws.

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    Post  George1 Fri Aug 20, 2021 2:14 pm

    Russian and Laotian troops completed the Laros 2021 joint counter-terror drills in the Primorsky Region in Russia’s Far East

    https://tass.com/defense/1328143

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    Post  George1 Tue Aug 31, 2021 12:33 pm

    The Russian-Mongolian exercises "Selenga-2021" will be held on the territory of Mongolia from September 20 to October 5, about 1.400 servicemen from both countries will take part in the maneuvers.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/12258553



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    Post  Sujoy Tue Sep 07, 2021 6:35 pm

    Interesting! Domestic version of Russian military hardware is far more hitech than export version of that same hardware primarily because technologies considered to be sensitive are removed from the export version.

    However, this report says, Indian Army will use Russian military hardware (meaning domestic version) during Zapad2021.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Sep 08, 2021 7:07 am

    The Russians have traditionally (1990s onwards) sold India stuff that was better than the stuff their own armed forces were buying at the time... there will be a lot of changes made, but that is because the sub they will be handing over will not be nuclear or strategic weapon capable so they need to swap out both navigation and communication systems that are designed to receive orders from secret Russian nuclear systems and also to allow strategic nuclear weapons to be loaded... programmed with target information and fired.

    There might be stuff India wants that is added, and there will be stuff they are not allowed access to... but also would not be able to use anyway.

    The age of the sub being transferred means it might not actually be so much of a case of a downgrade but an upgrade of modern systems that are currently going on their current subs tweaked a little to not include strategic nuclear weapons be used, so it might be getting an upgrade to improve performance but with the more secret stuff removed for an ally that does not have teh strategic weapons the removed equipment is designed to operate with... ie, 5,500km range conventional land attack upgraded Calibres removed replaced by 480km range export model calibres but perhaps 800km range mach 2.5 Onyxs missiles replaced by mach 2.5 Brahmos missiles with a 600km range that you made yourself. (India).

    Whereas if it was being upgraded for the Russian military it would be 1,200km range Zircon mach 9 missiles being installed instead of mach 2.5, 600km range Brahmos.

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