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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:12 pm

    BTW, I fully support Russian billionaires and the Russian government building palaces. The various sized palaces and mansions
    that have survived through 1917 are historical treasures. Building new ones creates such treasures for the future. Anyone
    claiming that they are not "authentic" is full of shit since none of the old palaces were authentic when they were built. History
    did not stop in 1900.

    The restoration of semi-destroyed and neglected buildings in Russia is a marvelous thing:

    https://www.skyscrapercity.com/threads/%D0%92%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D1%86%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BA%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B9-%D0%B8-%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%85-%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BC%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2.1199983/page-156

    Building new ones can be considered part of this revival.

    I recall some western bitch taking a dig at the rebuilding of the cathedral in Moscow that was demolished and turned into a swimming pool
    during the 1930s. The bitch yapped that it was not the original and so not authentic. Yeah, whatever pops your cherry, loser.

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    Post  kvs Sun Jan 31, 2021 1:16 am



    So much for Putin being a globalist.

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    Post  kvs Sun Jan 31, 2021 1:31 am

    The western fake stream media just needs to spew diarrhea out of every orifice.    As if Navalny has "broken through" some
    information control bubble in Russia using social media.   What brain-dead nonsense.   Russians have had free access to
    western social media and the western internet since its formation during the 1990s.   Navalny is just another blogger.
    There are thousands of Russian bloggers who are independent of both the Russian government and western governments.

    Navalny is financed by western governments.   At the same time the western social media actively censors independent
    Russian voices.

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    Post  LMFS Sun Jan 31, 2021 8:06 am

    kvs wrote:So much for Putin being a globalist.

    Nice video.

    I notice many people miss completely Putin because he is a pragmatist and not an ideologue, therefore he cannot be easily reduced to some silly cliches as they would like him to. Neither them nor his geopolitical enemies manage to fully make sense of what he does or predict how he will react, and that is a huge advantage he has on them. Until they realise their own dogmatism and ultimately ineptitude, they will keep biting the dust time after time thumbsup

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    Post  Vann7 Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:41 pm

    kvs wrote:

    So much for Putin being a globalist.


    When people talk about " globalism" they usually mix terms , in completely unrelated things.

    1)there is nothing wrong with Global Business.
    There is something called global business , like internet for example , like hollywood ,like the gaming industry , music industry ,like playstation , like smartphones , food that russia sells to egypt , like putin's pipelines to europe and china , russian hellicopters are sold at the global level , russian mining industry is global business .  Putin and xinping for obvious reasons are super pro globalist in business.
    this is good for their economy. Global business benefits the majority of major economies , but not so much small players ,who can't compete and so prefer protectionism.  nothing wrong with that either ,every nation need to defend its interest ,nothing more and nothing else.

    2)The is something else called Global Governance  . this is the new world order project ,
    the world dictatorship plans ,that the Anglo -jewish powers wants. They want one world government ruled by them and to break in a million of pieces any country that oppose this global anglozionist empire.

    this #2 option is more what hitler and nazis wanted.. and now the anglozionist powers and their parasites puppets in europe too.

    When it comes to MACRON , i don't see much difference between macron and putin position ,they both have said they want independence  and an alternative to US dollar.  what happens with macron if that france is not fully independent nation ,and france likely have many major big bussiness and super billionaires that are pro anglo empire project.. and so he give lip service to them.


    in more news.. protest continues.. good job putin.



    This is just a small taste of how biden administration foreign policy will be in the
    next 4 years.




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    Post  kvs Mon Feb 01, 2021 10:29 pm



    So the unfinished "Putin palace" is actually a hotel with several investors including the nominal current owner Rothenberg.  
    That it is indeed a hotel is consistent with the tour of the interior shown in a video linked before.  

    Note that Navanlny's fake had all sorts of phony lavishness painted into the interior that does not exist.   This includes
    the casino, library and other kitsch.

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    Post  Hole Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:48 am

    Until now no german media corrected the lie. What a surprise. Rolling Eyes

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    Post  Vann7 Wed Feb 03, 2021 5:12 am



    a Video that could help putin and his followers understand the things he needs to change.




    many of the bad behavior of bad leaders are exposed in this video
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    Post  PhSt Wed Feb 03, 2021 6:12 pm

    Hole wrote:Until now no german media corrected the lie. What a surprise. Rolling Eyes

    Yep, instead of correcting their lie, DW's latest Russia video says Russian protesters "not afraid" Rolling Eyes
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    Post  Kiko Wed Feb 03, 2021 8:36 pm

    German attitude towards Navalny is due to the Nord Stream 2 project, you see? They're expecting that with this attitude they might circumvent US Congress' sanctions under CAATSA or whatever, since they view this project as strategically crucial.
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    Post  kvs Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:27 pm

    PhSt wrote:
    Hole wrote:Until now no german media corrected the lie. What a surprise. Rolling Eyes

    Yep, instead of correcting their lie, DW's latest Russia video says Russian protesters "not afraid" Rolling Eyes

    They are not afraid because they have been getting kid glove treatment for the last 15+ years. It is like
    with Pussy Riot, a gang of female vandals that got $17 dollar slap on the wrist fines. Until they pulled
    the rubber band beyond its breaking point. Navalny is reaching this stage.

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    Post  Hole Fri Feb 05, 2021 1:20 am

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    Post  kvs Fri Feb 05, 2021 1:24 am

    It's all Putin hype I tells ya. Russia needs perpetual regime change from which it never recovers.

    Interestingly it was Leon Trotsky (a clown who ripped off his last name from a Russian aristocrat) who advocated perpetual
    revolution. Given how his acolytes have given the west a totalitarian make-over, it is not surprising that they want the
    rotten agenda of their spiritual leader to be foisted on Russia. After all Russia was Trotsky's biggest and final fail.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Feb 05, 2021 1:35 am

    kvs wrote:It's all Putin hype I tells ya.   Russia needs perpetual regime change from which it never recovers.

    Interestingly it was Leon Trotsky (a clown who ripped off his last name from a Russian aristocrat) who advocated perpetual
    revolution.   Given how his acolytes have given the west a totalitarian make-over, it is not surprising that they want the
    rotten agenda of their spiritual leader to be foisted on Russia.   After all Russia was Trotsky's biggest and final fail.

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    Rest assured after his failed policies    Stalin had a ice pick    many Russians had a bone to pick with Trotsky. Wink

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    Post  kvs Fri Feb 05, 2021 2:23 am

    Butcher of the Red Terror Trotsky who introduced depravity never seen before in Russia (yes really even going back
    to medieval times) got off easy with a pick in his cranium. He should have been tortured to the point of death,
    revived and given the same treatment multiple times. And to make sure some sensitization drugs should have been
    injected to make sure the pain never dulled.

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    Post  AlfaT8 Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:08 am

    I thought Russia's debt to GDP would be lower.
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    Post  kvs Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:29 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:I thought Russia's debt to GDP would be lower.

    https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/russia/government-debt--of-nominal-gdp

    It has gone up.

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    Im  glad ,that you just posted that , because i already explained that ,
    So will show you how pointless are those numbers for today Russia development.

    When Putin reach power as prime minister in 2019 and President in 2000 . Lets take a look at the things was happening with Russia in 2000 .

    -Russia already was facing a major huge war with chechenia ,the only thing
    that matters was security , and there was long lines for food .

    -Seven Banks controlled Russia economy. All of them where Pro NATO and pro disintegration
    of Russia. (read this from a pro Russian website .
    https://russia-insider.com/en

    -oil prices was rock button , about $20 to $30 dollars

    -majority of the Russian industry collapsed after the split of soviet union ,and the defense industry
    nearly collapse , the tank factories bankrupt and american private companies owned many industries
    in russia critical for Russia defense industry , basically intended to block Russia from modernizing its military.

    -The oil industry and natural gas industry and banking industry ,was all in the hands of navalny like traitors.. liberal jews who hated with passion russia and still today they do it. they are all pro NATO
    pro west. who hated Russia.

    people like navalny.. was in control of Russian economy or spying for the west , telling them
    how to better break Russia.
    worms like this..

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    Mikhail Khodorkovsky
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Khodorkovsky

    Boris Berezovsky
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Berezovsky_(businessman)

    Many enemies of Russia where in control of the nation economy , it was truly dark times and probably
    the closest the west was from disbanding Russia completely. Then this midget person ,with a low profile ,with pro western opening show up ,from the kgb , that fooled everyone , into thinking he was part of the western libertards swamp. I remember reading the story in (russian insider) of how Boris Berezovsky was asked by americans if Putin can be trusted and he basically did not know anything about him , he told that he looks to have potential and was pro west.  lol1
    Basically Putin fooled everyone ,by keeping a low profile ,into making them think he was one of them ,ready to give away  russian nuclear weapons.  No

    in other words.. in the year 2000.
    Russia economy was nearly completely destroyed , in pieces and facing major dangerous war ,on its own soil in chechenia and dagestan ,bleeding the economy ,with NATO using Turkey ,Ukraine and georgia to transfer terrorist in russia caucasus. then facing the sinking on one submarines.. truly bad times for any one ,who was president.

    So Putin ,at at steady but slow pace began to nationalize their energy industry and manyu defense industry too , remove from power positions all the traitors .

    PUTIN  re-captured back the economy  , that did not exist earlier  ,and that allowed Russia to   START EVELOPMENT AGAIN , not to blow away the world.. but at least he started the process from the economy to start growing again..

    in 2000,when putin arrive in power Russia was a sinking ship in the middle of a storm ,already ,with no working economy... but actually with a bleeding economy because of the terrorist war was facing and the oligarchs that he later kicked and most of them flee from Russia.

    So putin saved Russia from what?
    From sinking more ,remove all the water inside ,cleaned most of the corruption ,he stabilized the floating capabilities of the russian ship ,and even repaired the engines of the ship , that was broken ,so the ship could move and continue navigation. So yeah.. Putin did a major big contribution , in giving a chance Russia to continue moving forward , The ship was nearly fully repaired and now the ship can move in any direction the captain decide.

    listen fools ,Nobody is denying that Putin helped a lot the nation during 2000 to 2008.  

    The problem is THAT the Russian ship still is not fully repaired ,its engines operate very slow speed ,
    the ship can move ,can float ,but is very very slow ,and the worst part is that captain Putin ,who take the decision of the direction of economy ,of the travel route of the ship , that after captain putin ,saved the russian economy from totally collapsing from 2000 to 2008 have been realized by external observers , (like me) , a decade or so later ,that the ship was all the time moving in circles.. Suspect

    So thanks for putin for preventing russia from completely sinking , thanks for restarting the engine
    of the economy of russia ,by simply nationalizing its energy and defense industry companies ,thanks too for restoring the security and military ,and to kick the traitors most of them ruining russia ,was even better ,this are not small things for sure ,so a lot of credit for Putin for that..

    But like i said , all putin works in repairing the engine/the economy of the russian nation/the russian ship ,and even restarting its engine so that it can move again , and removing most of the water/corruption inside, all those actions will be wasted for nothing , if in the end the ship does not
    leave the storm , if continue moving in circles , because have a totally failed travel route and don't know in which direction to move Russia..  remember putin's "pivot's to asia". lol1 Remember putin's dreams of turning russia into a sport superpower.  Rolling Eyes Neutral   Remember of this "brilliant ideas" of making russia the #1 tourist place in the world.. in other words ,that putin strategy for moving the russian ship ,the direction he have chosen , are comparable to moving in circles ,none of the things
    that putin did , in 20 years in power ,have helped russia in any way ,shape or form ,to move the nation away of the storm.. he is moving russia in circles  with the enemies ,with the storms and pirates allowed to get close ,always causing damages to the ship ,and threatening to sink it again.
    and the crew inside the ship are leaving in mass ,abandoning the ship already ,because the sad reality of russia is..

    That Saving a nation/ a ship from completely sinking is not enough , surviving is not enough ,this is what chavez movement did in venezuela. That rescue the nation and kicked the traitors from top power but later did not moved the nation in the right direction , so that the nation can avoid the storm and arrive for once at safe port. So an independence sovereignty revolution is not enough ,
    nations need to move in the right direction ,away of the dangers that created in the first place the problems the country faced.

    In this example russia can't flee planet earth , can avoid the dangers.. can't avoid its enemies ,that is the american empire is at war with russia , and the only options that Russia have to stop the dangers
    and transform the nation into a super economy , is either with hard power ,by confronting their enemies using military force so they stop their war on russia ,give the west a bleeding nose ,as iran did that pushed them back  ,(what i don't think is necessary now ,not yet) or else the only other option they have is to influence their enemies with softpower ,to influence the west with business ,either influence their allies ,like europe to disband NATO or /and influence american too ,with amazing ,extraordinary ,revolutionary business the west love and like..   and this is why i have been saying for a very long time , that russia face a leadership crisis and putin is the one to blame for that , a leaders need to lead a nation towards a safe port ,if facing danger and putin is doing nothing to stop the western undeclared proxy hot war mixed with economic and sanction war ,and now biological war.

    all this problems that russia face are consequences of the failure of putin in confronting or influencing
    the west. every nation ,every person ,every living being ,whether is an animal or a human can be influenced , but you need to know first ,what things influence those ,that you want to influence.

    So putin will do nothing if after he repaired the russian ship ,began to navigate in circles over the same dangerous waters , are stormy waters ,but also now have mines too.. so the dangers putin's russia  face  in 2020 ,are much more dangerous ,than the ones russia faced in 2000.  the dangers in the 2000 that russia faced were all internal ,were very bad but could be managed. but now 20 years later ,the dangers are not only for politics only ,that putin regime becomes overthrow and a tyrant take his place. the dangers today that russia face , are not only in politics or broken economy or terrorist war in the caucasus that had no chance to last very long and over run all russia land.Russia today face a major danger to the very existence of life on its own territory ,with this new biological war ,that anglo powers have unleash in russia and that could trigger a nuclear conflict too.

    So putin's arrival to russia in the presidency ,was a major curse/gift (both at same time),because while he repaired the ship so it doesn't sink more , and even cleaned most of the water inside/(the corruption) ,at the same time ,he began to move the russian ship navigate in circles , to nowhere , allowing its enemies to continue trying in destroying and breaking russia.  And how is putin doing that? navigating to nowhere the future of russia? by  putin doing nothing ,to confront their enemies ,
    neither with hard military power ,neither with soft power ,that alternative high tech business and a modern recreated culture could have done.  If Russians ever wants their nation to move to a safe port and become a major development nation ,they will need to compete with western business ,as china is doing , emulate the ambitious program of the soviet union in space , but also take it to the high tech industry too.. is not sport medals/tribalism /nationalism pride bullshit/or artificial cosmetic depelopment with disney parks in moscow, that promote american culture in russia. Rolling Eyes  ,what putin needs to promote is Russia as a true alternative to the western world ,the western system and that only can be done with a major true scientific and education revolution in russia , that directly aims the most important western bussiness ,that the west use to influence the world.  all those silicon valley companies software industry , semiconductor and high tech electronics cannot be allow to remain with total supremacy ,as putin have allowed during 20 years.  if puti nwants to avoid a nuclear war , he have no options but to compete with western business that they use all the time as soft power to influence the world.  a new russia ,new culture , new business industry needs to be created for that.. and use the china example for that. russia needs to imitate the good things the west and china are doing ,that produce major world influence in business  and avoid their mistakes ,like blocking religions , blocking freedom of private expression when is peaceful ,those things that blocks the development of every citizen ,their true freedom ,let people worship whatever thing they want
    as long is not violent or promote hate and rascism. the government needs to stay away of people private lives.  and stop promoting that bullshit orthodox crap ,fake christian cult in in the country.

    Above the chart.. is incredibly misleading ,because does not mention that russia economy was in recession ,in negative growth and was most of it  in control of foreign enemy nations. there is an analogy that economist use to explain the "miracle" of the russian recovery , if you have a dead cat and throw it from several floors building to the ground , the cat will bounce ,and people who live in a dead economy will also notice the economy a big bounce.. but the economy is death and will fall back , all this bounce up and down is all about perception , and there is no denying russia enjoyed economic progress during first decade , and because the russia economy was worse than bad,
    any small changes in the economy ,any nationalization here in the energy industry will have done that. major changes , but all those changes were temporary , all that bounce was unsustainable ,
    as soon as american started their sanctions war , the russian economy was crushed and lost more than half the value of its currency and purchasing power from buying modern things.


    venezuela is the best way to see how bad Russia position can be ,if putin continue in power.
    and its temporary "economic miracle" recovery.  the chavez movement nationalized its energy industry and removed all the pro western corruption from power just like putin.. and the venezuela economy.. just like russia , from negative growth began to grow massively.  but then the economic development strategy that chavez movement created had a catastrophic major failure,, that their oil sales ,their almost only client in oil sales was United states.  Shocked  So all this "economic miracle"
    that chaves and maduro created in venezuela ,was a temporary one ,went down the toilet with obama and trump sanctions later,,because they forgot to develop and economy that was independent from the west too.. So the same mistakes that venezuela did on its nation development , putin also did it in russia. Mad   The only reason russia is not like venezuela today is that at least russia have a powerful military and its naval commerce can't be blocked and that europe depends heavily on russian energy ,something that venezuela did not have..

    while there is no denying that putin "saved the economy" , that is repaired the ship from sinking
    at the same time ,putin did not solved permanently the problem that caused the ship to start sinking.
    if putin allows russia to continue in stormy dangerous waters ,allows russia to continue following the western system , the western international laws , the western banking system , the western internet and computers ,the western social media to dominate in russia ,to western culture to dominate in russia ,the western embassy allowed to freely recruit in russia , then sooner or later the economy ,the ship will sink again and this will be impossible to repair it by putin.

    what life is teaching russia is that they need to be TRUE independent nation ,from the west and needs
    to compete with the west


    so any fool , even maduro of venezuela ,will have rescue the economy of russia if he was the president and not putin ,as much as putin did it during the first 14  years.. but just like happened to chavez and maduro ,for relying in the western system ,as soon the west start sanction war on your country ,your nation economy will sink..  putin for the past 20 years ,while repaired the sinking ship from continue sinking ,continue moving in circles in stormy oceans and now full of mines . Russia needs a navigation route , one that is very ambitious one ,that take russia to the 21 century as a leader of the world in modern business that directly compete with western ones ,,and they don't need
    to do it all alone , they can do it with china or brics nations alliance. one to put an end of the unilateral unfair system the west created and the world follows. Nothing is more influential in the world than a successful nation , with advance future looking ambitious business. and is with business that putin need to fight ..not with hypersonic or bullshit medals. or banana farming records.


    All things said ,  long term speaking , putin did not saved the russian economy ,he only repaired the bleed in the economy and repaired the engines too ,so the russian ship can move ,but instead of moving russia to the next level , he stay quietly depeloping russia like a venezuelan gas station ,
    a pipeline empire , so he continue later navigating the russian ship in circles in dangerous waters ,
    by  not confronting the western system ,not challenging it , neither with their military ,neither with busines ,and so the west is allowed to continue firing missiles , firing sanctions ,financing civil unrest and now using biological warfare against russia ,,and this is why all those table and charts that claims putin "rescue" russia economy are totally pointless even if true ,because all putin did was band aid to a terminal illness that russia face, of stagnation or passiveness and inaction in confronting the things that caused the soviet union to collapse ,and russia empire to fall ,and now threatening russia federation too . there is a system in place in the west ,that if not confronted or challenged will destroy any nation who seek prosperity ,safety and national development.



    So long term speaking , what putin did was a total waste of time ,so much saving to later allow russia to sink again. putin is bad President russia  , not a tyrant ,not a traitor ,not terrible ,but still was bad ,in long term . because his solutions to help russia was only temporary ,not truly long lasting ones. some will argue that putin is better than nothing ,and i will agree ,better than most leaders in the world and that could be true ,because still russia is alive and is not yet too late for russia to fix its problems and become a true super power , because this is the only way ,through leadership how russia can avoid a major world war.  but unfortunately Putin is more like a band aid to a small wound of a cancer patient. And a major visionary leader will be need to take russia to the next level. the chinese president Xi jinping will have done a million times better than putin ,because he not only saved china from falling ,but did something even more amazing , Xi jinping took china from a manufacturing power ,into a leader in future looking business in the world, so hats off to all the chinese people, for such amazing president..  Xi jinping is the best president in the world , not only cares about its people ,just like putin ,and many other countries leaders does , but he actually have a real vision for the future of china and this is why the anglo west is very scared of china business development ,because contrary to putin's hypersonic nuclear missiles that will never be used and olympic bullshit that are just distractions , this major advances of chinese business is actually contesting the western world system ,that took them more than 50 years to build ,is now being decimated in 1/3 of that time and if china is major advance in space and high tech industry ,then in 5 to 10 years it could become the next japan.. like japan but on steroids ,and if allowed china to influence the rest of the world with its modern advanced business , then US policy makers will face a huge dilema ,that their sanctions will be useless if nations joins the chinese orbit and their new system ,that still is work in progress ,but have a lot of promises.




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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:09 am

    kvs wrote:Butcher of the Red Terror Trotsky who introduced depravity never seen before in Russia (yes really even going back
    to medieval times) got off easy with a pick in his cranium.   He should have been tortured to the point of death,
    revived and given the same treatment multiple times.   And to make sure some sensitization drugs should have been
    injected to make sure the pain never dulled.


    Trotsky aka Lev Davidovich Bronstein.... No prizes for guessing what Tribe he hailed from...
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    Post  kvs Fri Feb 05, 2021 1:09 pm

    I think ideological zeal causes serious brain damage. It is as if these zealots need to change the world to fit their moronic
    and simplistic understanding of it. These clowns are triggered by reality itself. All the SJW drones fit this pattern. It
    is a generic human pathology.

    Trotsky had lots of enablers from other tribes.


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    Post  Scorpius Mon Feb 08, 2021 6:59 pm


    A good example, since this is not the first time this has happened. At a public meeting, it SUDDENLY turns out that the data that the Finance Minister reports to Putin differs from the real figures at times. In this example, a young employee of one of the laboratories in Novosibirsk reported that their salary is 25,000 rubles. While Siluanov stated that the average salary of researchers is 210% of the average regional salary for the Novosibirsk region (this figure is 39,000 rubles). Once again, Putin asked Siluanov: where is the money?

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    Post  kvs Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:30 pm

    You left out the important detail at the end. Putin told the woman who revealed that her salary was 25 instead of 2.1*39
    thousand rubles per month that if she experienced pressure for her sharing of the truth that she should call the President's
    administration number.

    "Tyrant" Putin is seen here doing the job that elected leaders should do. He is exposing the misbehaviour of government
    appartchiks and putting pressure on them to shape up. He is also acting as the official protector of whistleblowers.
    No NATzO leader acts this way. That must make them all "democrats" because they bend over and take it from the
    corporate oligarchy and from their own bureaucracy.

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    Post  Scorpius Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:02 pm

    kvs wrote:You left out the important detail at the end.   Putin told the woman who revealed that her salary was 25 instead of 2.1*39
    thousand rubles per month that if she experienced pressure for her sharing of the truth that she should call the President's
    administration number.  

    "Tyrant" Putin is seen here doing the job that elected leaders should do.    He is exposing the misbehaviour of government
    appartchiks and putting pressure on them to shape up.   He is also acting as the official protector of whistleblowers.  
    No NATzO leader acts this way.   That must make them all "democrats" because they bend over and take it from the
    corporate oligarchy and from their own bureaucracy.  

    Well, the fact is that Putin ALWAYS does this in personal appeals of citizens. He always gives you the contacts of the administration and said that if a person will face any pressure, and he should immediately contact the administration of the President. I do not know, I do not even attach any importance to this, since such behavior of Putin is the norm. This is what any normal government official should do.

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    Post  kvs Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:14 pm

    But for someone living in the west for decades, such behaviour is abnormal. You will never see a western leader berating
    oligarch-wannabes for their misbehaviour. Western leaders are all studio props that go through the motions and give
    vapid speeches. If they try to act like leaders (for example Trump) then they are demonized and removed. This is
    exactly what Putin is getting from the west. He is a real leader and not a sock puppet, so he is being defamed and
    demonized.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:32 am

    He is also acting as the official protector of whistleblowers.

    Doesn't sound like the criminal tyrant monster he is portrayed as being... surely that woman should disappear quietly for revealing a chink in the armour of Russia against the world...

    Or maybe he is not so concerned about how Russia appears to the west and more concerned about it functioning properly and fairly for the people who live there...

    What a bastard... NOT.

    I do not know, I do not even attach any importance to this, since such behavior of Putin is the norm. This is what any normal government official should do.

    Yes, I believe the last three US presidents... Obama and Trump and now Biden have all given Assange a phone number he can call if there are any problems regarding his revelations of US and western government illegal activity and corruption... He called it once... it was the local Dominos pizza place...

    But for someone living in the west for decades, such behaviour is abnormal.

    Deny deny deny... unless you think you can get away with it by blaming someone else...

    Plus people are fucking stupid... when election time comes around again most have forgotten this incident and a few others... you get re elected by burying your fuckups and pointing out the obvious main fuckups of your opponent...

    You will never see a western leader berating
    oligarch-wannabes for their misbehaviour.

    The rich people are where the campaign funds come from and perhaps a cushy job after the political career is over...

    He is a real leader and not a sock puppet, so he is being defamed and
    demonized.

    He is a multiple threat.... he is doing a good job and creating a rival and competitor on international markets and international organisations, but if the western public realise he can't be bribed into selling out the Russian people and acts with respect and tolerance to other countries they might realise what a bunch of immature childish censored their own politicians actually are.

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