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I'm gonna post real news, not some two bit Pollack posts:
https://tass.com/russia/1157101
https://tass.com/russia/1157101
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On 12/5/2020 the numbers were:
According to the World Health Organisation...:
UK = 31,855
France = 26,338
Germany = 7,419
US = 76,916
And Russia = 2009
Right now the numbers from the same source are:
UK = 33,614
France = 27,378
Germany = 7,824
US = 82,119
And Russia = 2,418...
So a 409 increase for Russia and a 1,759 death increase for the UK, and a 1,040 death increase in France, while Germany has had 405 more deaths, and the US has had 5,203 more deaths over the same period.
The numbers infected is not really that relevant simply because it is as much influenced by testing rates as anything else... but then if you look at known infections the UK has very similar infection numbers to Russia.... 233,155 infected in the UK compared with 262,843 infected in Russia, yet the death rate is starkly different at 33,614 compared with 2,418 in Russia....
But as we learned when Putin flew a Tu-160 to a small English town and bombed the place with Novachok a deadly nerve agent and killed just one person months later... one person who was already a sick weak junkie, the UK has the best hospital service in the world...
According to the World Health Organisation...:
UK = 31,855
France = 26,338
Germany = 7,419
US = 76,916
And Russia = 2009
Right now the numbers from the same source are:
UK = 33,614
France = 27,378
Germany = 7,824
US = 82,119
And Russia = 2,418...
So a 409 increase for Russia and a 1,759 death increase for the UK, and a 1,040 death increase in France, while Germany has had 405 more deaths, and the US has had 5,203 more deaths over the same period.
The numbers infected is not really that relevant simply because it is as much influenced by testing rates as anything else... but then if you look at known infections the UK has very similar infection numbers to Russia.... 233,155 infected in the UK compared with 262,843 infected in Russia, yet the death rate is starkly different at 33,614 compared with 2,418 in Russia....
But as we learned when Putin flew a Tu-160 to a small English town and bombed the place with Novachok a deadly nerve agent and killed just one person months later... one person who was already a sick weak junkie, the UK has the best hospital service in the world...
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Odin of Ossetia wrote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/14/world/europe/coronavirus-russia-doctors-hospitals.html
This "article" quotes Navalnys so-called "Alliance of Doctors" as though its an authoritative medical workers union of some sort (instead of the insignificant 5th columnist provocateurs that they are in reality).
Typical Jew-York Times biased nonsense.
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Big_Gazza wrote:Odin of Ossetia wrote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/14/world/europe/coronavirus-russia-doctors-hospitals.html
This "article" quotes Navalnys so-called "Alliance of Doctors" as though its an authoritative medical workers union of some sort (instead of the insignificant 5th columnist provocateurs that they are in reality).
Typical Jew-York Times biased nonsense.
This is how western fake stream media works. It exclusively cites seditionist and 5th column sources that are financed by NATzO or aligned with
elements that are financed by NATzO. The go to source for "inside" information on Russia is the Moscow Times (foreign owned), Nezavisimaya Gazeta
(a rabid anti-Russian propaganda outfit that routinely concocts stories as well as spinning anything to the point of no similarity), and assorted
"NGOs" like Navalny's diversionary smear operation called a doctor's union.
Russian laws need to be changed ASAP so that no union or organization can be created on the drop of a hat by foreign financed 5th columnists.
This has nothing to do with freedom of association. Unions and organizations need to have real representation and not be fakes. There are no
real doctors in Navalny's "doctor's union". And this outfit is designed to spread libel and lies and has already been exposed several times.
In the UK these clowns would have been run through the legal system and either doing jail time or sinking in debt.
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https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1299824349566836737
https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1299824349566836737
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Vladimir #Putin: Genuine democracy & civil society cannot be imported, be a product of the activities of foreign ‘well-wishers’. People in the countries where imported democracy schemes have been implemented were never asked for their opinion & their leaders are mere vassals.
https://twitter.com/A__Alimov/status/1319379377063342080
Looking at what is happening in the world, I’d like to say to those who are still waiting for the gradual fading of Russia. We are worried about only one thing: how not to catch a cold at your funeral.
https://twitter.com/VeraVanHorne/status/1319315472458895361
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magnumcromagnon wrote:Vladimir #Putin: Genuine democracy & civil society cannot be imported, be a product of the activities of foreign ‘well-wishers’. People in the countries where imported democracy schemes have been implemented were never asked for their opinion & their leaders are mere vassals.
https://twitter.com/A__Alimov/status/1319379377063342080
Looking at what is happening in the world, I’d like to say to those who are still waiting for the gradual fading of Russia. We are worried about only one thing: how not to catch a cold at your funeral.
https://twitter.com/VeraVanHorne/status/1319315472458895361
Yeah good ones, first Lavrov and now Putin, the break up with the West seems definitive. Russia has gathered enough resources to negotiate with them from a position of strength on all aspects and not only in terms of nuclear deterrence, and it is starting to show. Since the West is lead by unrecoverable narcissists that need their teeth kicked hard to start getting the message, that is pretty much what is in the cards. Putin will stay a responsible statesman but there is a limit to what Russia and China can do to avoid a new hot world war from getting started.
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magnumcromagnon wrote:
Looking at what is happening in the world, I’d like to say to those who are still waiting for the gradual fading of Russia. We are worried about only one thing: how not to catch a cold at your funeral.
https://twitter.com/VeraVanHorne/status/1319315472458895361
Apparently this is an old Jewish joke. Very good use of it.
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Putin has cancer’ pundit beloved by Western media arrested for flouting Covid-19 restrictions at St. Petersburg rally:
https://www.rt.com/russia/508834-solovey-conspiracy-arrested-covid19-restrictions/
https://www.rt.com/russia/508834-solovey-conspiracy-arrested-covid19-restrictions/
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Key points from Vladimir Putin's annual news conference
The conference lasted for 4.5 hours
MOSCOW, December 17. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin held his customary year-end news conference on Thursday. This time, amid the coronavirus pandemic restrictions, the event was held online. Also, it incorporated some features of the question-and-answer program called Direct Line with Vladimir Putin, in which the head of state is asked questions from audiences across the nation.
TASS has collected the top takeaways from Putin's conference:
On Russia's fight against COVID-19
Putin thinks that Russia has tackled the COVID-19 pandemic well, perhaps better than other states.
"Not a single [healthcare] system worldwide was ready for the scale that we encountered. There is simply no system like that. <...> Compared to what was going on in the world, of course, our system turned out to be more effective."
Putin highlighted 97% effectiveness of Russia’s coronavirus vaccine.
"Russia is the first country in the world, which has invented, we could say, and started to produce the vaccine of both the Gamaleya scientific institute and the Novosibirsk-based Vector center. And we have a good vaccine [that is] both safe and effective - over 95% and higher - and specialists say its level of protection reaches 96-97%"
Putin hopes the coronavirus situation will improve in the next 6 months.
On the Navalny case
Putin said, that Alexei Navalny, who is currently undergoing medical treatment in Germany, has the support of US intelligence agencies but it’s not a reason to poison him.
"The patient at a Berlin hospital has the support of US intelligence agencies in this case. If so, it’s a curious fact and intelligence agencies should keep an eye on him. But it’s not a reason to poison him, why would anyone do that?"
Had someone wanted to poison Navalny, they would have gotten it done, Putin noted.
On Russia-US relations under Biden
Putin hopes that at least some problems in Russian-US relations will be solved under Joe Biden’s administration.
"We presume that the newly elected US president will understand what is going on - he is a person, who has experience in both domestic and foreign policy. We expect that all problems, which emerged, or at least some of them will be ironed out under the new administration," Putin said.
On amendments to Russian Constitution
Putin said the amendments to the Russian Constitution were adopted at a right time, when the situation became ripe.
"Everything is good in due time. The fight against price hikes should be conducted in due time. The same goes for amendments to the basic law. It was impossible to do a lot of things earlier," Putin said.
According to the president, some things were impossible to do before, including cementing social guarantees in the Constitution. This includes adjusting pensions for inflation and equaling the minimum wage to the minimum subsistence level, he said.
Putin added that the fundamentals of the Constitution remained unchanged.
On some 'investigative' journalism scrutinizing his life
Putin has excoriated a so-called investigative report about his life, castigating it as nothing but copy-pasting that was unreadable to the end.
"The second part that is about my family - it was impossible to read this material. I looked through it just because it is about me but it was such a cut-and-paste job, everything was lumped together. I couldn't read it all the way to the end," he said.
On Russia's GDP contraction
GDP contraction in Russia equals 3.6%, which is less than in all leading European countries and the US, Putin said.
"GDP contraction is 3.6% as of now," he said, adding that it is less than in almost all leading EU countries where GDP contraction totaled up to 9% in a number of states. Moreover, the Russian economy is faring better than the US economy, the president noted.
Russia’s industrial production "slipped" by 3% by now mainly due to the oil price, he added. "Due to the OPEC+ deal, we have cut production, which affected [Russia’s] total results," Putin explained.
On Nord Stream 2 project
The project for the construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline is economically profitable for Europe and, in particular, for Germany, Putin said.
Putin also expects that the new US administration, led by President-elect Joe Biden, will respect the interests of Europe.
The Russian president expressed confidence that construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline will be completed.
"There are around 165 km left," he said. ‘That's it, it is almost completed. I think we will finish the work," Putin said.
On Russia's 'harmlessness'
Russia is "harmless and squeaky-clean" compared to Western countries, Putin said.
"Now, about us being harmless and squeaky-clean. Compared to you, yes, it is a fact, we are harmless and squeaky-clean because we agreed to release from an unequivocal Soviet dictate those countries and nations that wanted to develop independently. We heard your assurances that NATO won’t expand to the East but you didn’t keep your promises," he said in response to a question of a BBC reporter.
The president noted that those were not written guarantees but verbal promises yet emphasized that none of them were kept as a result.
On arms race
The arms race began with the United States’ pullout from the anti-ballistic missile treaty, according to Putin.
"It has already begun. This is obvious. Everything began after the US pullout from the ABM treaty," Putin said.
https://tass.com/politics/1236415
The conference lasted for 4.5 hours
MOSCOW, December 17. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin held his customary year-end news conference on Thursday. This time, amid the coronavirus pandemic restrictions, the event was held online. Also, it incorporated some features of the question-and-answer program called Direct Line with Vladimir Putin, in which the head of state is asked questions from audiences across the nation.
TASS has collected the top takeaways from Putin's conference:
On Russia's fight against COVID-19
Putin thinks that Russia has tackled the COVID-19 pandemic well, perhaps better than other states.
"Not a single [healthcare] system worldwide was ready for the scale that we encountered. There is simply no system like that. <...> Compared to what was going on in the world, of course, our system turned out to be more effective."
Putin highlighted 97% effectiveness of Russia’s coronavirus vaccine.
"Russia is the first country in the world, which has invented, we could say, and started to produce the vaccine of both the Gamaleya scientific institute and the Novosibirsk-based Vector center. And we have a good vaccine [that is] both safe and effective - over 95% and higher - and specialists say its level of protection reaches 96-97%"
Putin hopes the coronavirus situation will improve in the next 6 months.
On the Navalny case
Putin said, that Alexei Navalny, who is currently undergoing medical treatment in Germany, has the support of US intelligence agencies but it’s not a reason to poison him.
"The patient at a Berlin hospital has the support of US intelligence agencies in this case. If so, it’s a curious fact and intelligence agencies should keep an eye on him. But it’s not a reason to poison him, why would anyone do that?"
Had someone wanted to poison Navalny, they would have gotten it done, Putin noted.
On Russia-US relations under Biden
Putin hopes that at least some problems in Russian-US relations will be solved under Joe Biden’s administration.
"We presume that the newly elected US president will understand what is going on - he is a person, who has experience in both domestic and foreign policy. We expect that all problems, which emerged, or at least some of them will be ironed out under the new administration," Putin said.
On amendments to Russian Constitution
Putin said the amendments to the Russian Constitution were adopted at a right time, when the situation became ripe.
"Everything is good in due time. The fight against price hikes should be conducted in due time. The same goes for amendments to the basic law. It was impossible to do a lot of things earlier," Putin said.
According to the president, some things were impossible to do before, including cementing social guarantees in the Constitution. This includes adjusting pensions for inflation and equaling the minimum wage to the minimum subsistence level, he said.
Putin added that the fundamentals of the Constitution remained unchanged.
On some 'investigative' journalism scrutinizing his life
Putin has excoriated a so-called investigative report about his life, castigating it as nothing but copy-pasting that was unreadable to the end.
"The second part that is about my family - it was impossible to read this material. I looked through it just because it is about me but it was such a cut-and-paste job, everything was lumped together. I couldn't read it all the way to the end," he said.
On Russia's GDP contraction
GDP contraction in Russia equals 3.6%, which is less than in all leading European countries and the US, Putin said.
"GDP contraction is 3.6% as of now," he said, adding that it is less than in almost all leading EU countries where GDP contraction totaled up to 9% in a number of states. Moreover, the Russian economy is faring better than the US economy, the president noted.
Russia’s industrial production "slipped" by 3% by now mainly due to the oil price, he added. "Due to the OPEC+ deal, we have cut production, which affected [Russia’s] total results," Putin explained.
On Nord Stream 2 project
The project for the construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline is economically profitable for Europe and, in particular, for Germany, Putin said.
Putin also expects that the new US administration, led by President-elect Joe Biden, will respect the interests of Europe.
The Russian president expressed confidence that construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline will be completed.
"There are around 165 km left," he said. ‘That's it, it is almost completed. I think we will finish the work," Putin said.
On Russia's 'harmlessness'
Russia is "harmless and squeaky-clean" compared to Western countries, Putin said.
"Now, about us being harmless and squeaky-clean. Compared to you, yes, it is a fact, we are harmless and squeaky-clean because we agreed to release from an unequivocal Soviet dictate those countries and nations that wanted to develop independently. We heard your assurances that NATO won’t expand to the East but you didn’t keep your promises," he said in response to a question of a BBC reporter.
The president noted that those were not written guarantees but verbal promises yet emphasized that none of them were kept as a result.
On arms race
The arms race began with the United States’ pullout from the anti-ballistic missile treaty, according to Putin.
"It has already begun. This is obvious. Everything began after the US pullout from the ABM treaty," Putin said.
https://tass.com/politics/1236415
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Only the NATzO fake stream media drivel pushes the notion that it is difficult to kill someone. That even a strategic grade
nerve agent fails in this task. Naturally no details are ever given as to how these alleged failed poisonings went down.
Spreading around a nerve agent would cause serious injury to more than one individual. Nobody would guess that a
victim they see in distress is a hazard zone and would get exposed rendering assistance. The area immediately around the
nerve agent victim would be contaminated. The British response to the supposed nerve agent attack on the Skripals was
actually legit, but the whole thing was theater. It takes a few micrograms to kill but the supposed smearing of this agent
over a doorknob failed to kill. This is pure nonsense since any smearing by hand over a doorknob would involve at the
very least tens of milligrams. Enough to kill stone cold dead. Carrying a whole perfume vial of this agent is inane fiction
since such an amount can kill tens of thousands. As with the Skripals, the NATzO propaganda has it that Navalny
was exposed to some smeared surface. He would be deader than dead.
nerve agent fails in this task. Naturally no details are ever given as to how these alleged failed poisonings went down.
Spreading around a nerve agent would cause serious injury to more than one individual. Nobody would guess that a
victim they see in distress is a hazard zone and would get exposed rendering assistance. The area immediately around the
nerve agent victim would be contaminated. The British response to the supposed nerve agent attack on the Skripals was
actually legit, but the whole thing was theater. It takes a few micrograms to kill but the supposed smearing of this agent
over a doorknob failed to kill. This is pure nonsense since any smearing by hand over a doorknob would involve at the
very least tens of milligrams. Enough to kill stone cold dead. Carrying a whole perfume vial of this agent is inane fiction
since such an amount can kill tens of thousands. As with the Skripals, the NATzO propaganda has it that Navalny
was exposed to some smeared surface. He would be deader than dead.
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BBC Hitman getting his arse handed to him:
President - to a Western journalist: Compared to the West, Russia is really white and fluffy
Vladimir Putin answered the question of a Western journalist, in which he fit all foreign "horror stories" about Russia. This is the "poisoning" of Navalny, and the "annexation" of Crimea, and the "militarism" of Russia "threatening the world." British journalist: "Or do you think you are white and fluffy?"
Vladimir Putin was clearly touched by this question, which may well be called arrogant. The head of state noted that if we compare Russia with the same West, then our country is really “white and fluffy”.
Vladimir Putin:
Crimea became part of Russia on the basis of a referendum, unlike Kosovo. The parliament made a decision there, and you said that everything is fine, everything is as it should be. Our people came and voted, but you don't like it. So tell me, if this is, as you say, annexation, why did you impose sanctions against Crimeans? What are they guilty of? And if this is not annexation, then it's time for you to admit that Crimea became part of the Russian state on the basis of a democratic procedure. If you don't think so, then it's time to stop and use the term about democracy.
According to Vladimir Putin, Russia has three bases abroad, and in terroristically dangerous areas - Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Syria, and the United States has bases around the world. Russia has a military budget of $ 46 billion, while the United States has $ 770 billion.
Putin:
Didn't you give us promises that NATO will not expand? Yes, it was a verbal promise, but nonetheless. NATO has expanded at least twice, moving closer to Russia's borders.
According to Putin, the Russian Federation cannot but react to this. The head of state recalled that it was not Russia withdrew from the ABM Treaty, it was not Russia with the INF Treaty, it was not Russia that withdrew from the Open Skies Treaty.
Vladimir Putin:
Look, you're smart. Why do you think that we are idiots here and cannot analyze basic things. So you will fly over us here and transmit information to the Americans, but we will not be able to fly over the USA.
The Russian President added that if the United States also rejects the proposal to extend the START III treaty for a year, then there will be no documents stabilizing the world at all, and there will be no restrictions for a new arms race.
Putin:
I will say with the words of Leopold the cat from our cartoon: “Guys! Let's live in peace".
https://en.topwar.ru/178259-prezident-zapadnomu-zhurnalistu-po-sravneniju-s-zapadom-rossija-dejstvitelno-belaja-i-pushistaja.html
President - to a Western journalist: Compared to the West, Russia is really white and fluffy
Vladimir Putin answered the question of a Western journalist, in which he fit all foreign "horror stories" about Russia. This is the "poisoning" of Navalny, and the "annexation" of Crimea, and the "militarism" of Russia "threatening the world." British journalist: "Or do you think you are white and fluffy?"
Vladimir Putin was clearly touched by this question, which may well be called arrogant. The head of state noted that if we compare Russia with the same West, then our country is really “white and fluffy”.
Vladimir Putin:
Crimea became part of Russia on the basis of a referendum, unlike Kosovo. The parliament made a decision there, and you said that everything is fine, everything is as it should be. Our people came and voted, but you don't like it. So tell me, if this is, as you say, annexation, why did you impose sanctions against Crimeans? What are they guilty of? And if this is not annexation, then it's time for you to admit that Crimea became part of the Russian state on the basis of a democratic procedure. If you don't think so, then it's time to stop and use the term about democracy.
According to Vladimir Putin, Russia has three bases abroad, and in terroristically dangerous areas - Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Syria, and the United States has bases around the world. Russia has a military budget of $ 46 billion, while the United States has $ 770 billion.
Putin:
Didn't you give us promises that NATO will not expand? Yes, it was a verbal promise, but nonetheless. NATO has expanded at least twice, moving closer to Russia's borders.
According to Putin, the Russian Federation cannot but react to this. The head of state recalled that it was not Russia withdrew from the ABM Treaty, it was not Russia with the INF Treaty, it was not Russia that withdrew from the Open Skies Treaty.
Vladimir Putin:
Look, you're smart. Why do you think that we are idiots here and cannot analyze basic things. So you will fly over us here and transmit information to the Americans, but we will not be able to fly over the USA.
The Russian President added that if the United States also rejects the proposal to extend the START III treaty for a year, then there will be no documents stabilizing the world at all, and there will be no restrictions for a new arms race.
Putin:
I will say with the words of Leopold the cat from our cartoon: “Guys! Let's live in peace".
https://en.topwar.ru/178259-prezident-zapadnomu-zhurnalistu-po-sravneniju-s-zapadom-rossija-dejstvitelno-belaja-i-pushistaja.html
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Putin is throwing pearls before swine. These western urnalists are scum of the worst sort. They know that they spread lies and
blood libel. They know that they are the agents by which mass hysteria is induced to generate war. Urnalists should be tried
as war criminals and not some "messengers" that can't be shot. They need to be shot before they can spread their brain
poison.
I think Russians are too nice. If I saw a western journalist on some Russian street, I would start throwing rocks. They can
make their hate speech from outside of Russia's borders.
blood libel. They know that they are the agents by which mass hysteria is induced to generate war. Urnalists should be tried
as war criminals and not some "messengers" that can't be shot. They need to be shot before they can spread their brain
poison.
I think Russians are too nice. If I saw a western journalist on some Russian street, I would start throwing rocks. They can
make their hate speech from outside of Russia's borders.
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Putins worst feature is he is too polite and civilised.... what a bastard... I wish we had one...
He is also a Christian and being such isn't his duty to give his opponents the chance to do the right thing...
He is also a Christian and being such isn't his duty to give his opponents the chance to do the right thing...
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Two of Putin's bodyguards committed suicide.
https://glagol.press/blog/43141029983/Peskov-utochnil-prichinyi-samoubiystv-sotrudnikov-FSO-v-Moskve?utm_source=smi2&utm_medium=age_unknown&utm_campaign=47203&utm_content=9702681&utm_term=age_p_unknown
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GarryB wrote:Putins worst feature is he is too polite and civilised.... what a bastard... I wish we had one...
He is also a Christian and being such isn't his duty to give his opponents the chance to do the right thing...
The problem is not Putin. The problem is the Russia's enemies who think nice guys are weak.
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We already know the western politicians are stupid... considering their track record and the track record of their predecessors in terms of the effectiveness of sanctions and telling Putin what he should do... they still think it is just a case of one more sanction to make him do as they want him to do... 
With Putin they had a Russian politician that was genuinely popular in Russia that was ready to cooperate and make things better for everyone, but the west can only think about themselves... they are so used to selling out their own people things like honesty and integrity never come in to their thinking... you always compromise because you only actually make a stand for show... everything is for sale... and with that mindset they approach negotiations.
Actually I used to think I was a good negotiator too... I used to work out the absolute best possible agreement for the other person that I would accept as a deal and I would make that my first offer... my opening position... but very quickly I realised that meant I had nothing I could give up and still make the agreement... I had no lee way... nothing to compromise on... it was diplomacy of the ultimatum... this is my deal, take it or leave it... but of course no one likes ultimatums and they expect to bargain.
The west does not know how to bargain... they can only offer threats.
That could work if the person they were bargaining with needed the deal... things like NS II... Russia doesn't need this deal... Germany does... it needs to secure its energy future, but if Russia does not complete the pipeline they can sell their gas through existing pipes... or liquefy the gas and sell it to anyone around the world... with no set contracts there will be more fluctuation in price, but that is OK... if the price is too low they are not obliged to sell.
Putin has spent the last 20 years trying to be friends and partners and the west has basically kicked sand in their faces and demonised them repeatedly.
The west has weaponised international organisations like the chemical weapons investigators and even sports organisations.
The west has a very high opinion of itself... and I can imagine the complaints if Russia treated the west anything like the west has treated Russia... the irony is that all the claims of gay abuse and intolerance... the west is far more intolerant than any other group of countries on the planet.
With Putin they had a Russian politician that was genuinely popular in Russia that was ready to cooperate and make things better for everyone, but the west can only think about themselves... they are so used to selling out their own people things like honesty and integrity never come in to their thinking... you always compromise because you only actually make a stand for show... everything is for sale... and with that mindset they approach negotiations.
Actually I used to think I was a good negotiator too... I used to work out the absolute best possible agreement for the other person that I would accept as a deal and I would make that my first offer... my opening position... but very quickly I realised that meant I had nothing I could give up and still make the agreement... I had no lee way... nothing to compromise on... it was diplomacy of the ultimatum... this is my deal, take it or leave it... but of course no one likes ultimatums and they expect to bargain.
The west does not know how to bargain... they can only offer threats.
That could work if the person they were bargaining with needed the deal... things like NS II... Russia doesn't need this deal... Germany does... it needs to secure its energy future, but if Russia does not complete the pipeline they can sell their gas through existing pipes... or liquefy the gas and sell it to anyone around the world... with no set contracts there will be more fluctuation in price, but that is OK... if the price is too low they are not obliged to sell.
Putin has spent the last 20 years trying to be friends and partners and the west has basically kicked sand in their faces and demonised them repeatedly.
The west has weaponised international organisations like the chemical weapons investigators and even sports organisations.
The west has a very high opinion of itself... and I can imagine the complaints if Russia treated the west anything like the west has treated Russia... the irony is that all the claims of gay abuse and intolerance... the west is far more intolerant than any other group of countries on the planet.
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That is why I think that war is possible. It will be instigated by the western deciders through their incompetent, hubris filled
arrogance that Russia will bend with enough pressure. NATzO can spasm itself into a process which results in war. Every bit
of sane resistance by Russia will just be used to pump more hate hysteria and braying for war. The alliance system that led to
WWI will appear quaint and dignified. The future war on Russia will be worse than the war instigated by the Nazis. Germany was
cut off from resources even though it had some token African colonies. NATzO will start a war because the world is not big
enough for it. If Hitler was insane, then NATzO deciders are beyond insane.
I think the themes of power and corruption were touched on quite well in I, Claudius. I only watched the UK TV series, but
really should read the book. The rot you describe is associate with detachment from reality and thus insane decision making.
NATzO is rotten to the core and has terminal delusions of grandeur.
PS. All human societies are prone to such degeneration so I am not engaging in chauvinist project. At the present time it
is NATzO that is by fare the biggest threat to peace. And is the biggest source of the misery around the world.
arrogance that Russia will bend with enough pressure. NATzO can spasm itself into a process which results in war. Every bit
of sane resistance by Russia will just be used to pump more hate hysteria and braying for war. The alliance system that led to
WWI will appear quaint and dignified. The future war on Russia will be worse than the war instigated by the Nazis. Germany was
cut off from resources even though it had some token African colonies. NATzO will start a war because the world is not big
enough for it. If Hitler was insane, then NATzO deciders are beyond insane.
I think the themes of power and corruption were touched on quite well in I, Claudius. I only watched the UK TV series, but
really should read the book. The rot you describe is associate with detachment from reality and thus insane decision making.
NATzO is rotten to the core and has terminal delusions of grandeur.
PS. All human societies are prone to such degeneration so I am not engaging in chauvinist project. At the present time it
is NATzO that is by fare the biggest threat to peace. And is the biggest source of the misery around the world.
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"Some don't remember how much Putin has done for Russia"
"There are people in Russia who don’t remember how much Putin has done for Russia:
After 17 yea
Putin increased Russia’s budget 22-fold, military spending 30-fold, GDP 12-fold (Russia jumped from 36th place in the world in terms of GDP to 6th place);
Increased gold and foreign exchange reserves 48-fold!
Returned 256 mineral deposits to the Russian jurisdiction (it is left to return 3!);
Disrupted the most “liberal” production-sharing agreement in history – the PSA (explanation below);
Nationalized 65% of the oil industry and 95% of the gas and many other industries;
Raised industry and agriculture (Russia has been ranked 2nd-3rd in the world in terms of grain exports for 5 years in a row, overtaking the US, which is now in 4th place);
Increased average salaries in the public sector 18.5-fold in 12 years, and average pensions 14-fold.
Well, quite a trifle: Putin (it was precisely him) reduced the extinction of the Russian population from 1.5 million people a year in 1999 to 21,000 in 2011, i.e. 71.5-fold.
Canceled the Khasavyurt Accord – thus he defended the integrity of Russia;
Made known the NGO-5th column and banned deputies from having accounts abroad;
Defended Syria;
topped the war in Chechnya."
https://www.stalkerzone.org/some-dont-remember-how-much-putin-has-done-for-russia/
"There are people in Russia who don’t remember how much Putin has done for Russia:
After 17 yea
Putin increased Russia’s budget 22-fold, military spending 30-fold, GDP 12-fold (Russia jumped from 36th place in the world in terms of GDP to 6th place);
Increased gold and foreign exchange reserves 48-fold!
Returned 256 mineral deposits to the Russian jurisdiction (it is left to return 3!);
Disrupted the most “liberal” production-sharing agreement in history – the PSA (explanation below);
Nationalized 65% of the oil industry and 95% of the gas and many other industries;
Raised industry and agriculture (Russia has been ranked 2nd-3rd in the world in terms of grain exports for 5 years in a row, overtaking the US, which is now in 4th place);
Increased average salaries in the public sector 18.5-fold in 12 years, and average pensions 14-fold.
Well, quite a trifle: Putin (it was precisely him) reduced the extinction of the Russian population from 1.5 million people a year in 1999 to 21,000 in 2011, i.e. 71.5-fold.
Canceled the Khasavyurt Accord – thus he defended the integrity of Russia;
Made known the NGO-5th column and banned deputies from having accounts abroad;
Defended Syria;
topped the war in Chechnya."
https://www.stalkerzone.org/some-dont-remember-how-much-putin-has-done-for-russia/
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