The elites have the final word, not rank & file citizens.Elites make less than 1%. Culturaly and socialy Russians are accepted without any issues whatsoever in all of Europe. Particularily Germany, France, Greece etc.
As an old Chinese saying states: "Those who work with their hands r ruled; those who work with their heads rule."
No, it's an internal conflict supported from abroad, on both sides, but started by Kiev.Crusade against the Russian Church ..... right.
'' This is a pledge of unity '': the patriarch of Georgia supported Ukraine on its way to autocephaly https://www.obozrevatel.com/society/eto-zalog-edinstva-patriarh-gruzii-podderzhal-ukrainu-na-puti-k-avtokefalii.htm
The night of Bartholomew. Tomos will be given tomorrow and what will happen after that
That's why it won't happen in our lifetime, if at all.Just the fact all 3 countries even came togheter to suggest and form it, is a small miracle in itself.
That union would have been a "major non-NATO ally" like Japan, Australia, Sweden & Finland now at best or NATO member at worst. Russia is interested in peace between the Azeris & Armenians; that 's why she tries to have good relations with both. But Georgia is too proud of itself & was counting on US/NATO support in 2008.It wouldn't be a greater threat than having NATO bases in the South Caucasus.
But by their belligerence, Georgians crossed the line, which Russia wasn't going to tolerate. Escalating that frozen conflict by associating with NATO will not benefit Georgia. Starting wars is easy; finishing them isn't, but Russia is very good at it!..eliminating any prospects for Georgia to join either NATO or the EU, which back then was not even in the minds of anyone in Georgia, let alone dreamt about.
That's besides the point; they controlled them as a result of wars.They forcefully took and incorporated countries that didn't belong to them and never consented with it. Any legitimacy of such a claim is nonexistent.
Rhetorical questions: did Abkhazians, Armenians & Greeks consent to be part of Georgia & Ottoman Turkey, respectively? Did Azeris consent to be part of Persia/Iran? Did Rusyns in what is now W. Ukraine consent to be part of Austria-Hungary? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusyns
Did Mongols, Han Chinese, Tibetans & Koreans consent to be part of the Manchurian Ching Empire? Did the Kurds consent to be part of Turkey, Iraq, Iran, & Syria? The above list can be even longer.
That's in ur judgement.Not really.
Maybe so, but in the long run they'll go their own way, & Georgia isn't guaranteed prosperity by associating with the West. In the '70s & '80s Iran & Iraq did; Yugoslavia was outside of the Moscow control, but we all know what happened to them. Now the Serbs r asking Russia for help.So do their partners benefit from it more than being under Russian influence. That's just an observable fact.
Like those Ukrainians doing jobs in Poland & Slovakia that the locals won't take.You can't and won't get any of those benefits remotely in that scale with Russia in its current state.
Russia doesn't have the IMF-like body. Under Lenin, Stalin & Khrushchev, lands were given to Ukraine that didn't belong to it. Now this dog is biting the hand that once fed it, & been sending arms & allowing fighters go to Chechnya & Georgia before & during 2008 war that were used against the Ossetians & the Russians, civilians & military!Oh you mean like Russia.
There was going to be to the West of the RF border, eventually ringing it to the south, & the KGB/SVR expected the post-Soviet vacuum to be filled by it.There was no "NATO expansion" in 1991, only artificial sessession instigated by Russia.
These US-NATO bases provide instability and insecurity rather than peace. Tensions abound around them. Threats emanate from their presence.
The Georgian Democratic Republic was larger and the Georgia as part of the Russian Empire even larger,..
They have only themselves to blame!Facing permanent internal and external problems, the young state was unable to withstand invasion by the Russian SFSR Red Armies, and collapsed between February and March 1921 to become a Soviet republic. ..
The year 1920 was marked by increased threats from the Russian SFSR. With the defeat of the White movement and the Red Armies' advance to the Caucasus frontiers, the republic's situation became extremely tense. In January, the Soviet leadership offered Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan an alliance against the White armies in South Russia and the Caucasus. The Government of the DRG refused to enter any military alliance, referring to its policy of neutrality and noninterference, but suggested negotiations towards a political settlement of the relations between two countries in the hope that this might lead to recognition of Georgia's independence by Moscow. ..In April 1920, the 11th Red Army established a Soviet regime in Azerbaijan, and the Georgian Bolshevik Grigoriy Ordzhonikidze requested permission from Moscow to advance into Georgia. ..In the meantime, in response to Georgia's alleged provision of assistance to the Azeri nationalist rebellion in Ganja, Soviet forces attempted to penetrate Georgian territory, but were repelled by Kvinitadze in brief border clashes at the Red Bridge. .. After Azerbaijan and Armenia had been Sovietized by the Red Army, Georgia found itself surrounded by hostile Soviet republics. Moreover, as the British had already evacuated the Caucasus, the country was left without any foreign support. ..According to Soviet sources, relations with Georgia deteriorated over alleged violations of the peace treaty, re-arrests of Georgian Bolsheviks, obstruction of convoys passing through Georgia to Armenia, and a strong suspicion that Georgia was aiding armed rebels in the North Caucasus. .. Georgia's 1918–1921 borders were formed through the border conflicts with its neighbors and ensuing treaties and conventions. ..
The territory of the Democratic Republic of Georgia included some territories that today belong to other countries. It was circa 107,600 km2, compared to 69,700 km2 in modern Georgia. The Soviet occupation of the DRG led to significant territorial rearrangements by which Georgia lost almost a third of its territory. ..
Although the republic had access to almost 200,000 veterans of World War I with skilled generals and officers, the government failed to build up an effective defense system, a factor that greatly contributed to its collapse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Republic_of_Georgia#Downfall
They also collaborated with the Bolsheviks & some rose to the very top in Moscow, so it's as much a Georgian question/problem as it is the Russian 1 that u invoke in this context! It did work out well for me, since u switched to others instead of discussing Georgians.and you were implying Georgian collaboration with Nazis. Didn't work out so well now did it?
Tell that to Russian judges! Regardless, Georgia will be blamed, & with dire consequences! After some of the Crimean Tartars & Chechens,etc. helped the Germans, all of them were deported by Stalin. Volga Germans & American Japanese, Italians & Germans who didn't aid neither Germany, Italy nor Japan were too deported &/ put in internment camps. "Guilty by association".It's their business. their personal fight.
Oh yes they have in the RF eyes, if they r not even trying to stop Georgians going to fight in Donbass against the ethnic Russians, & if they want better relations with Russia.Tbilisi has no dirty hands in that business to clean in the first place.
Those r helping their fellow Russians & Russified Ukrainian Cossacks to defend against Galician Ukrainian nationalists' dominated Kiev that glorifies Nazi SS collaborators like Bandera attacking them.Are Russian mercenaries and volunteers being prosecuted for attacking Ukraine?
Pl., read again: "Russia also claims that her servicemen r not in Donbass, but for different reasons, I, u, & many others don't buy that." Yes, there r some Russian regular army soldiers in Donbass. What do u expect Russia to do, since they r too smart to unleash a full scale invasion that will do them more harm than good, & still need to prevent genocide in Donbass?
If that post Western orchestrated coup army & MVD troops weren't sent to Donbass, they could live peacefully in their homes in Georgia before leaving or in other parts of Ukraine w/o fear of being "killed in their beds"! Silly excuses! Their "homes" r in the trenches now; if their Georgian citizenship is now revoked, they r not welcome back, & for a good reason! A tiger can't change its stripes; to Russia, they r Georgian fighters killing Slavs who defend their homes. Revoking Georgian citizenship isn't going to absolve Georgia's complicity in that conflict. Sorry, but Georgians r now like those ancient Greeks & medieval Swiss mercenaries ready to fight any1 for pay, even if it means killing their ethnic brethren & fellow countrymen!Except the Georgians aren't invading Ukraine like the Russians. They are defending their homes there in the Ukrainian army. ..Has nothing to do with Georgia whatsoever.
Dozens of dead: the USA is experimenting with people in Georgia NATO is afraid of losing Georgia
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