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    Post  kvs on Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:20 am

    https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/its-official-united-states-now-banana-republic

    It's Official: The United States Is Now A Banana Republic Great%20depression%20welath_0

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    Note how the downward trend in incomes of the bottom 50 has flattened out. Trump really is delivering on some of MAGA. All the PC globalists
    before him have been throwing the US people under the bus.

    Too bad so many Americans swallow the propaganda koolaid that Russia is a threat and an enemy. The real enemy is their globalist imperial
    government and elites.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:51 am

    Strange... I haven't seen any of this information on CNN or the BBC... they are too busy blaming Russian meddling for all the problems in the west...

    Could we assume that because CNN and MSNBC and Fox are all owned by people who fit more in the 1% than in the 90% mentioned could be why it is not mentioned... because they are OK with how things are going and think they deserve their positions of wealth and power and the good things in life...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:07 am

    Democrat Bloomberg is now running for the White House- & he's not OK with the way MAGA is going! “I’m running for president to defeat Donald Trump and rebuild America,” Bloomberg wrote.
    “We cannot afford four more years of President Trump’s reckless and unethical actions,” he continued. “He represents an existential threat to our country and our values. If he wins another term in office, we may never recover from the damage.” ..Forbes ranked Bloomberg as the 11th-richest person in the world last year with a net worth of roughly $50 billion. Trump, by contrast, was ranked 259th with a net worth of just over $3 billion. His businesses — among them are financial data services and news services in various formats — employ more than 19,000 people in 69 countries. They are also certain to raise ethical questions about how his news-oriented businesses will cover the campaign and financial conflicts of interest for a possible presidency.
    Already, Bloomberg has vowed to spend at least $150 million of his fortune on various pieces of a 2020 campaign, including more than $100 million for internet ads attacking Trump, between $15 million and $20 million on a voter registration drive largely targeting minority voters, and more than $30 million on an initial round of television ads.
    He did not say how much he would be willing to spend overall on his presidential ambitions, but senior adviser Howard Wolfson did: “Whatever it takes to defeat Donald Trump.”

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    Post  Hole on Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:26 pm

    He tripled his "fortune" after becoming mayor of New York. As Republican!
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:52 pm

    He tripled his "fortune" after becoming mayor of New York.
    While being smarter about building up his fortune, leaving Trump in the dust, who btw refuses to disclose his income tax documents to hide the fact he got not $1M, but a lot more from his father.
    As Republican!
    The Clintons were also Republicans. If there was another strong party, they would go there, instead of running as independents or turncoats.
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    Post  Hole on Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:56 pm

    Bloomberg used his powers as mayor to boost his fortune.

    Changing your political affiliations like your underwear shows what guys like him value the most: money.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:08 am

    Just realised.... the information in that chart that started this thread.... my mind played silly tricks on me... I am so used to hearing about the 1%... but look again... it is the 0.1 percent... own more than 90% of the population... the point is that is that it is getting worse because money makes money much faster than labour or effort... but you need to be an unfeeling bastard for the system to work... so not only are the richest getting richer, they are also becoming unfeeling censored who probably despise anyone with less than a billion dollars of their own money...

    How does this tie in with the American dream?
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    Post  kvs on Thu Nov 28, 2019 2:11 am

    The American dream is long dead and was never alive to begin with. I recommend people watch the movie Heaven's Gate. Not
    because it is a great movie, but because it is a glimpse into the reality of the USA for immigrants. Another, eye opener
    is Mattewan which shows us the feudal barbarity of the US coal mine belt. People think that the USA was always about freedom.
    BS. It was the same feudal, colonial, racist sh*t as anywhere else. I saw some 1950s cowboy movie that was practically foaming
    at the mouth with racist BS about US aboriginals. US aboriginals did not deserve to get ethnically cleansed. So the American
    dream was supposed to overlap assorted barbarity...

    Snake oil is what the USA has always peddled. It never, ever judges itself by the standard it claims to apply to others. But
    that standard is mostly lie and spin. Recall the bleating during Putin's 2011 election how "only" around 60% of the eligible
    voters turned out. This bleating coming from a country where some presidential elections see 40% turnouts. Although they
    have been higher more recently for some reason. Also note how the US dominated western media yaps about inequality in Russia.
    This takes the cake for hypocrisy. Income inequality in the USA is so bad, that even banana republics look good:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM

    Americans hate socialism because they are brainwashed by their corporate oligarchy. Socialism (not authoritarianism) is in the
    interest of the majority. At every stage of the labour movement, corporate shills and whores would always cry that the sky is
    falling and that nothing short of sweatshop slavery is the only viable option to preserve the economy. Every freaking stage.
    But somehow by the 1960s the USA saw the best economy it had. Then started globalization and offshoring to solve the union
    "problem". Now the USA majority is relatively poorer even if they have more electronic junk. And MAGA is all about restoring
    the 1960s. But the US is in a deep hole that its oligarchy has dug.

    One of the great successes of brainwashing in the USA, is that "leftist progressive" thinking has been corrupted with fake identity
    politics. Nobody gives a f*ck about workers' rights and the standard of living including fair healthcare. They are obsessed with
    trannies and forced sex surgery on children.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Nov 28, 2019 3:13 am

    That is something I find amusing too... they are so full of hate and anger... if you say something racist or homophobic they react as though you hit them... it seems the worst crime in their eyes is to not be as liberal thinking as they are, but obviously there are exceptions... I men you can't criticise or not approve of gay relationships, or because of some ones skin colour or religion... but it is fair game regarding anything Russian or Iranian or pro Assad Syrian or North Korean or Cuban or Venezuelan...

    It was when Trump was elected and the liberal democrats lost that there was actual riots in the street and talk of revolution... imagine if he wins again...

    But then who cares... the country is broken and he clearly has neither the will or capacity to fix it.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:07 am

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:48 am

    What a load of shit.... I wouldn't trust that so called news channel to tell me what colour water is.

    For fucks sake, they are ignoring what this is really about... the old democrat jobs for the boys scheme where vice president Joe Bidens son with no apparent qualification was getting a 50K per month US dollar salary for being part of a Ukranian gas company... he has no knowledge about the industry and is not qualified and when the Ukrainian government started looking in to corruption issues Joe Biden demanded that the head of the anti corruption probe be fired or they wont get the money American promised them after destroying their country in a coup... but according to some in the US, the crime is that Trump is asking the current president of the Ukraine to investigate wrong doing... not create trumped up charges, but properly investigate some real crimes and the western media seems to be behind that 100%.

    That says so much how broken the US is... but both sides are as bad as the other because it is all about money... just bribe both political parties and you get what you want... all those fuckwits wasting their time actually voting have no say what so ever... those idiots get to decide who gets in to office to impliment the laws and plans of big business... who of course don't give a shit about democracy or freedom or indeed often the American people.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:37 am

    but according to some in the US, the crime is that Trump is asking the current president of the Ukraine to investigate wrong doing...
    no, the crime is pressuring Zelensky to investigate a political rival by withholding aid $ allocated by the Congress to boost his chances of winning the next election. These would fall under the Articles of Impeachment as per the US Constitution.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:50 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    but according to some in the US, the crime is that Trump is asking the current president of the Ukraine to investigate wrong doing...
    no, the crime is pressuring Zelensky to investigate a political rival by withholding aid $ allocated by the Congress to boost his chances of winning the next election. These would fall under the Articles of Impeachment as per the US Constitution.

    So you drink the koolaid.  Where is the evidence of this little story you are parroting?   Trump released the tapes of his discussions
    with Zelensky after Schiff claimed that "Trump was pressuring Zelensky".   Nothing of the sort can be found in those tapes.  So
    where is this "evidence" of Trump pressuring Zelensky?  

    Also, what is this retarded BS about "investigating a political rival"?   According to your beloved D. Party somehow a potential investigation
    of Hunter Biden is equivalent to "investigating a political rival".   Either you are smoking crack or you are mentally deficient.   If Joe Biden
    is squeaky clean then no Ukrainian investigation of Hunter Biden can affect him.    Note the key detail: there is no actual or potential
    investigation of Joe Biden.   Stop spreading the lie.

    And it is beyond ludicrous for the D. Party to bitch about "investigation of political rivals". That is exactly what they have been doing
    since before the 2016 election. Obama abused his office by arranging for the fake evidence for the FISA warrants. There has been
    an ongoing smear campaign against Trump based on fake allegations and kangaroo investigations ever since then. Poor Joe Biden is
    not even on the horizon of anything similar. If he feels "persecuted" by Trump, perhaps he should have thought twice about pushing
    his son into a corrupt job in the new US colony called Ukraine. I dare you and your D. Party idols to provide a shred of evidence that
    Joe Biden is under any investigation, both domestic and foreign.



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    Post  kvs on Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:16 am

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/forget-kkk-modern-day-liberals-are-biggest-impediment-clarence-thomas-reflects-biden

    "I felt as though in my life I had been looking at the wrong people as the people who would be problematic toward me. We were told that, 'Oh, it's gonna be the bigot in the pickup truck; it's gonna be the Klansmen; it's gonna be the rural sheriff," Thomas says in a forthcoming documentary, "Created Equal: Clarence Thomas in His Own Words."

    "But it turned out that through all of that, ultimately the biggest impediment was the modern day liberal," he added. "They were the ones who would discount all those things because they have one issue or because they have the power to caricature you," according to ABC News.

    So called liberals in the USA have the fig leaf of being pro-minority and "progressive". So they can be as intolerant and regressive as they like.

    If you think that is absurd, then consider how the so called conservative parties in the USA and Canada are always assumed to be fiscally
    conservative when they have been responsible for running up basically all of the national debt since the 1980s. Mulroney tripled the debt
    of Canada but somehow it was Trudeau's fault. Bill Clinton actually ran surpluses when Bush Jr. created trillion dollar deficits due to his
    insane tax cuts for the ultra rich.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:33 am

    According to your beloved D. Party
    I don't love nor idolize any party!
    https://www.justsecurity.org/66271/timeline-trump-giuliani-bidens-and-ukrainegate/

    https://time.com/5733799/ukraine-fears-burisma-probe-trump-hunter-biden-fallout/
    I dare you and your D. Party idols to provide a shred of evidence that Joe Biden is under any investigation, both domestic and foreign. Note the key detail: there is no actual or potential investigation of Joe Biden. Stop spreading the lie. ..
    If only his son Hunter is investigated, it's just as bad- it was Joe who arranged for his "employment" there. U asked for it:
    Graham, who chairs the Senate Judiciary Committee, signaled his intention Thursday to investigate Joe and son Hunter Biden's dealings in Ukraine, legitimizing an unsubstantiated right-wing conspiracy theory that has gained notoriety through the current impeachment proceedings. The senator sent a letter to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo requesting documents related to Biden and Burisma, the Ukrainian energy company on whose board Hunter Biden previously served, in order to investigate the theory that the then-V.P. improperly ordered the firing of former Ukrainian Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin in order to end Shokin's investigation into Burisma.
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/11/lindsey-graham-biden-investigation-senate-impeachment
    And it is beyond ludicrous for the D. Party to bitch about "investigation of political rivals". That is exactly what they have been doing since before the 2016 election.
    That's besides the point. "2 wrongs don't make it right". Also, Trump is mad at Ukraine for supporting H. Clinton & wanted (& still wants) to return the favour. After getting caught, he released the aid $ but it was too late.
    As it turned out, his "art of the deal" isn't that sophisticated after all.
    https://fpif.org/examining-trump-worlds-fantastic-claims-about-ukraine/
    https://fpif.org/dont-just-focus-on-trumps-crimes-at-home/

    https://fpif.org/trumps-undeclared-state-of-emergency/

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:21 pm

    no, the crime is pressuring Zelensky to investigate a political rival by withholding aid $ allocated by the Congress to boost his chances of winning the next election. These would fall under the Articles of Impeachment as per the US Constitution.

    But if Biden withholding funds to save his son from jail time is not a crime, then how can Trump withholding funds to ensure the elimination of corruption is adhered to be a crime?

    The Ukraine is a bought and paid for colony... Nuland will tell you the US paid 5 billion dollars to buy the Ukraine... the Ukraine is not a country, and sure as hell is not a democracy... it is owned... bought and paid for by the Democrat party in the US of A.

    Well change of US government doesn't change things... they still own the Ukraine and can call the tune... so if Trump wants the Ukraine to be working on solving past crimes and corruption then they will do it.

    Telling Zelensky that Biden holds no sway with the current US government and therefore has no protection for himself or his children and that Zelensky is free to deal with corruption in the Ukraine... any dirt they might find on Biden is fine... the dirt is there and is out in the open... the dumb prick was boasting about it on video... exposing criminal activity from Joe Biden on behalf of his son is a civic duty... any potential president candidate must be above reproach and Biden clearly does not qualify... and neither did dirty hilary.

    Note the key detail: there is no actual or potential
    investigation of Joe Biden. Stop spreading the lie.

    If there is no investigation of Joe Biden then there should be... the Democrat party seem to think Trump did what Biden actually did... the difference is two different videos... one showing Trump asking off hand if he wants to investigate what happened that it is OK with Trump... as opposed to say if Clinton was in power where no investigation of illegal activity of US democrats or their families would be allowed.

    I would say both Biden and Biden jnr need to be investigated for their roles and criminal influence in this whole situation...

    I dare you and your D. Party idols to provide a shred of evidence that
    Joe Biden is under any investigation, both domestic and foreign.

    All the evidence you seek is on the DNC servers... but even the FBI are not allowed access to them so they must be above top secret or something... no evidence of Russian hackers there either but that doesn't matter either I suppose...

    So they can be as intolerant and regressive as they like.

    Election riots happened when Trump was elected, not when the first black president was elected... you can't be anti black but you can be anti orange it seems.

    If only his son Hunter is investigated, it's just as bad- it was Joe who arranged for his "employment" there. U asked for it:
    Graham, who chairs the Senate Judiciary Committee, signaled his intention Thursday to investigate Joe and son Hunter Biden's dealings in Ukraine, legitimizing an unsubstantiated right-wing conspiracy theory that has gained notoriety through the current impeachment proceedings. The senator sent a letter to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo requesting documents related to Biden and Burisma, the Ukrainian energy company on whose board Hunter Biden previously served, in order to investigate the theory that the then-V.P. improperly ordered the firing of former Ukrainian Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin in order to end Shokin's investigation into Burisma.

    Ahhh, so what Biden admitted to on video is a conspirasy, but Russian hackers and Skripal poisoning, not to mention the Russian invasion of the Crimea and Ukraine are concrete fact... hahahaha... what a joke.

    That's besides the point. "2 wrongs don't make it right". Also, Trump is mad at Ukraine for supporting H. Clinton & wanted (& still wants) to return the favour. After getting caught, he released the aid $ but it was too late.

    Trump is the US president and can stop any aid he likes, when he likes and for any reason he wants to.

    The Ukraine hasn't earned any aide from the US... they failed to start a war with Russia and they haven't killed enough of their own people to allow for a NATO intervention so why should the US fund them?

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    Post  kvs on Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:38 pm

    I agree that Joe Biden should be investigated. And the DNC should be investigated also for corruption and disruption of the democratic
    process (as happened with the sabotage of Bernie Sanders), and brazen abuse of power (the FISA circus).

    But the smear against Trump that he is engaged in politically motivated persecution of his "political rivals" is utter rubbish. There are
    no such investigations. It is Trump who is being persecuted by the D. Party.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:53 pm

    Trump is the US president and can stop any aid he likes, when he likes and for any reason he wants to.
    he is an elected dictator but still not a king & shouldn't be allowed by the powerful interest groups to act as such. JFK & RFK also thought to enforce the rules against the CIA, Mafia, & the Big Oil companies, but both ended up in their early graves.
    The Ukraine hasn't earned any aide from the US... they failed to start a war with Russia and they haven't killed enough of their own people to allow for a NATO intervention so why should the US fund them?
    to keep Russians & Ukrainians killing each other & act as a proving ground. In a way, it's a replay of Iran-Iraq War in which the Shiites fought each other, besides Sunni Arabs vs. Persians & Kurds. The West supplied arms to both sides & weakened all of them as a result.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:57 am

    to keep Russians & Ukrainians killing each other & act as a proving ground.

    Ukraine isn't about Russians and Ukrainians fighting each other... it is about west leaning Ukrainians killing other Ukrainians who don't want to learn a new language in their own country and don't accept the authority of the government in Kiev that was installed with dirty US money.

    The West supplied arms to both sides & weakened all of them as a result.

    Weakened them to the point of 11/9, and their infiltration into western society via migration that is going to bite the west in the ass... sooner rather than later.

    he is an elected dictator

    Must be great to ignore all the rules of a language and just make shit up.

    Elected dictator is a contradiction in terms.

    He was elected by the American people to rule the United States of America and he is doing that.

    But the smear against Trump that he is engaged in politically motivated persecution of his "political rivals" is utter rubbish. There are
    no such investigations. It is Trump who is being persecuted by the D. Party.

    Of course it is... when Biden told the Ukraine to fire the person investigating his son... he spelled it out... fire that person or you wont get the money I have brought for you... essentially the Democrats are treating Trump like that is what he is doing now, yet he is actually doing the opposite... he is not saying make up charges and arrest my political rival... he is saying the democrats are not in charge so if you want to deal with corruption then go ahead, and it would be useful to me if you did that.

    If the first action is not a crime then the second is not either, but the funny thing is that the reality is that what Joe Biden did was criminal and if Trump was doing that now I would agree that he should be impeached, but Joe Biden and his son are the criminals in this piece of theatre... and of course the Democrat party only sees crime when the criminal is named Trump... it is either trump or putin... they are not clever enough to recognise any other bad guy.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:40 am

    it is about west leaning Ukrainians killing other Ukrainians..
    that too, but those fighting in the D/LNR & their folks don't consider themselves as Ukrainians-they now have their own & RF passports.
    Elected dictator is a contradiction in terms.
    life is full of contradictions, & the US political system is no exception- the executive branch power is a lot greater now. Recall the G. W. Bush years in which he did everything he wanted, the UNSC, Pope, & public opinion be damned.
    He was elected by the American people to rule the United States of America..
    the electors elected him; many voters just didn't want the Clintons & voted for Trump. I & Ms of others didn't vote for this racist demagogue & bully, nor for any1 else, for that matter. He's a power hungry dictators loving vulgar playboy & a showman that never got mature enough to be a US President.
    So, to recap, a group of self-serving statesmen and craven consultants created a fantasy Ukraine that fed into Trump’s primary preoccupations: the supposed crimes of his political predecessors, the embarrassment of his loss of the popular vote in 2016, and his ruthless determination to win a second term.
    That fictitious narrative prompted Trump to break the law. And now he is scrambling to prove that he didn’t do anything wrong and that his understanding of Ukraine is correct. ..
    When ousted by popular demand in 2014, Viktor Yanukovych had few places to turn. He ended up in exile in Russia. Booted from office by impeachment or popular vote and hounded by investigations into his myriad financial improprieties, Trump may discover that he, too, might need Putin’s protection. Nancy Pelosi’s challenge to Trump that “all roads lead to Putin” may turn out to be prophetic.

    https://fpif.org/examining-trump-worlds-fantastic-claims-about-ukraine/


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    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:31 am

    that too, but those fighting in the D/LNR & their folks don't consider themselves as Ukrainians-they now have their own & RF passports.

    Who said they don't?

    If they were Russians or considered themselves Russian why wouldn't they either leave the area and go to Russian territory where they would be safe, or more obviously do what the Crimea did and have a referendum and choose to join the Russian Federation.

    You need to stop listening to western media sources... If Stalin had spent 5 billion dollars on coup in Hawaii in the 1950s to get a pro-Soviet Stooge put in to power... perhaps supported by pro nazis and extremists and one of the first things they did was make English illegal in the country... you could be fined for speaking it in public... only the Hawaiian language can be spoken and everyone in a government job had to pass a Hawaiian test and was banned from speaking English or they would be fired. All signs would be replaced by Hawaiian language signs with no English translation.

    America instigates a coup in the Ukraine to harm Russia... the Soviet Union instigates a coup in Hawaii to harm the US. Hawaiian people are not American... they are Hawaiian... they are Pacific Islanders... and they are getting abused and used by the US... now of course with any population there will be different groups so when the Soviets go in there and give them their own democracy and freedom from the evil colonial Americans their first laws might be to ban English as a language... that might be fine... I don't know what the situation in Hawaii is like... how many Hawaiians speak Hawaiian in comparison to those who speak English? Perhaps a minority or perhaps even a majority prefer English, or maybe they don't and want their children speaking Hawaiian instead... can you not see that on this alone... even ignoring this change of government is illegal and not representative of what the people want might lead to some to say no... and even fight for that... without having to be ethnically American or fighting for America as such?

    life is full of contradictions,

    Not a contradiction... a lie. American people are stupid, so you can call someone a communist and a dictator and they just accept that nonsense because they are too stupid to think for themselves... it makes them easy to manipulate.

    the US political system is no exception-

    The US political system is merely a money channelling system that moves money from the general population into the pockets of the few... but talk to one of those robots and they will tell you they live in the greatest democracy human civilisation has ever known.

    They are attack dogs that are programmed to follow very simple rules and commands... there is something you don't like or want... like universal health care or universal education and you just attach the label communist or socialist and a rabid section of the American community will fight it tooth and nail to the end.

    the executive branch power is a lot greater now.

    The rich people who own the media and the politicians on both sides have all the power and they wont share with anyone.

    Recall the G. W. Bush years in which he did everything he wanted, the UNSC, Pope, & public opinion be damned.

    There are only two political parties so any president can do as they please if their party dominates the senate, and the congress and they are in power... but even then they wont tax rich people... or even demand they actually pay any income tax...

    Can't bite the hand that feeds.

    the electors elected him; many voters just didn't want the Clintons & voted for Trump. I & Ms of others didn't vote for this demagogue & bully, nor for any1 else. He's a power hungry dictators loving playboy & a showman that isn't mature to be a president.

    The US election process is pathetic and tedious and takes an enormous amount of time... Even India doesn't take as long as the US does for elections with a lot more people. He passed all the so called checks and balances that make America great. And by the way... are you saying Clinton was mature... if he was a woman he would be called a slut and his friendship with Epstein is probably what got Epstein killed for all those little under age girls Clinton probably fucked thanks to his "paedophile get away island"...

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:36 am

    If they were Russians or considered themselves Russian why wouldn't they either leave the area and go to Russian territory where they would be safe, or more obviously do what the Crimea did and have a referendum and choose to join the Russian Federation.
    many left for Russia, but most stayed after not accepting the coup in Kiev & taking up arms after & as per forced Ukrainianization nationalist policy, Ukrainian was declared the only official language: Russian isn't being taught in schools but can be spoken among non-officials; all the media, military, law enforcement, & gov. business must now be conducted in Ukrainian.
    FYI, Hawaii is the only state that doesn't vote- by the time it wakes up, all the other states r done voting & it's enough to declare a winner, no matter who they would prefer to see in the White House. If it was a true democracy, they would be allowed to vote a day earlier to have their votes count.
    are you saying Clinton was mature...
    mature enough not to rock the boat like Trump been doing up to now.
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    Post  Hole on Sun Dec 01, 2019 2:42 pm

    The Donbass is russian territory, just as Odessa or Minsk are russian cities. The fundamental problem is that there are still the artificial borders in place that were created by Lenin and Stalin (and Krushchev in case of Crimea). Same with "Ukrainian". For centuries it had the same meaning als redneck in Amiland, some folkes living in a part of the country. Under Lenin it was decided to "recognise" them as different people.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:26 pm

    E. & S. of Ukraine was called Malorossia (Little Russia); the W. is Galicia & Transcarpatia, former Polish & Austro-Hungarian lands + Bukovina taken from Romania- in short, an artificial state created by wars. Before Kiev, "the mother of Russian cities", was made a capital, Kharkov, a S. russian city, was the capital.
    https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2014/02/world/ukraine-divided/

    Ukraine has lost the meaning of existence - expert: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2794471.html


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    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:00 am

    many left for Russia, but most stayed after not accepting the coup in Kiev & taking up arms after & as per forced Ukrainianization nationalist policy, Ukrainian was declared the only official language: Russian isn't being taught in schools but can be spoken among non-officials; all the media, military, law enforcement, & gov. business must now be conducted in Ukrainian.

    Well that is proving my point that the western politicians and media are lying to you... you said the problem in the Ukraine is Russians, but you know now that many have left... going either east or west, that those that have stayed are locals... ie Ukrainian.

    The illegal government in Kiev is not fighting Russians, it is fighting Ukrainians.

    You can say that Ukrainians should be patriotic and should not speak the language of the occupier Russia... they should speak their native language... to which I would suggest practise what you preach American... stop speaking English and start speaking American Indian or Mexican... depending on the region you live in.

    FYI, Hawaii is the only state that doesn't vote- by the time it wakes up, all the other states r done voting & it's enough to declare a winner, no matter who they would prefer to see in the White House. If it was a true democracy, they would be allowed to vote a day earlier to have their votes count.

    That is disgustingly undemocratic... New Zealanders living over seas can vote in our elections, but Hawaiians in Hawaii can't vote in American elections... boy Americans really have some balls claiming to be a democracy at all... Rolling Eyes

    Banana republic indeed...



    mature enough not to rock the boat like Trump been doing up to now.

    Most of what Trump has done has been because the opposition have been pushing his buttons or because it was deserved.

    He stirred up EU and NATO officials when he was elected and why not... even I remember them all saying publicly that American voters have to vote for Hilary because Trump was not good enough... was he supposed to greet them with hugs and kisses?

    His crime in Syria is wanting to take US forces out of there... which is one of his election promises... to bring US troops home from places that make no sense for them to be...

    His anti Russian bullshit is not really different from what Hilary would be doing... she hates Russia... and before the election she was talking about a US led no fly zone over all of Syria... that probably would have gotten Americans and Russians killed and might have started WWIII.

    She is bought. She is owned by the MIC and the rich and powerful.

    America needs more of that like it needs an Ebola epidemic.

    The Donbass is russian territory, just as Odessa or Minsk are russian cities. The fundamental problem is that there are still the artificial borders in place that were created by Lenin and Stalin (and Krushchev in case of Crimea). Same with "Ukrainian". For centuries it had the same meaning als redneck in Amiland, some folkes living in a part of the country. Under Lenin it was decided to "recognise" them as different people.

    Yeah, Alaska was Russian territory too, but for whatever reason it is gone and it isn't coming back... forget about it... Russia has enormous amounts of country it should concentrate on developing and protecting and efficiently using to improve the lives of Russian people.


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