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The problem is that Turkey is not in the EU so is not bound by their pipeline access rules. Multi access starts at the Greek and Bulgarian borders. Turkey will do what's in its best interests, which may or may not involve the pockets of its leaders.GarryB wrote:Interesting all the shit about multiple suppliers of gas needing access to Russian pipes taking gas to Europe which means they run at 50% efficiency to allow a competitor to pump their gas through, but with Azeri gas from Turkey there is no such demand... sounds fair...
In fact that would be the ideal solution for a shared Russian Azeri pipeline to Europe which prevents a monopoly and ticks all the boxes as far as genuine European fears of monopoly are concerned...
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Russian Oil and Gas Industry: News #2
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JohninMK wrote:The problem is that Turkey is not in the EU so is not bound by their pipeline access rules. Multi access starts at the Greek and Bulgarian borders. Turkey will do what's in its best interests, which may or may not involve the pockets of its leaders.GarryB wrote:Interesting all the shit about multiple suppliers of gas needing access to Russian pipes taking gas to Europe which means they run at 50% efficiency to allow a competitor to pump their gas through, but with Azeri gas from Turkey there is no such demand... sounds fair...
In fact that would be the ideal solution for a shared Russian Azeri pipeline to Europe which prevents a monopoly and ticks all the boxes as far as genuine European fears of monopoly are concerned...
In the case of NS 1 and 2, this concept is absurd. The pipeline originates from a single supplier in international waters and only enters
the EU in Germany. So the EU rules should control some hub on Germany's coast, but instead they are politicized BS that limits Russia
from offloading 50% of the volume in both NS 1 and 2. That Germany chooses on some temporary basis to waive these Kafkaesque
regulations means jack shit. Gas pipelines are not telecom infrastructure which with AT&T and Bell in America and Canada was
a tool for monopolizing the market. All of the other suppliers of natural gas can freely build their own pipelines and what not. So there
is no similarity to the deregulation of telecom monopolies.
In the case of telecoms it was the entry barrier due to expensive infrastructure that was the issue. For natural gas source countries there
is no such entry barrier. Russian gas pipelines are not stopping them from servicing the market. In fact, the EU is very eager to find such
suppliers who do not exist. Limiting NS 1 and 2 offload capacity by 50% will not result in 50% coming from other suppliers. There
are simply no such suppliers in the Baltic Sea region.
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The problem is that Turkey is not in the EU so is not bound by their pipeline access rules. Multi access starts at the Greek and Bulgarian borders. Turkey will do what's in its best interests, which may or may not involve the pockets of its leaders.
But Russia is part of the EU????
In the case of NS 1 and 2, this concept is absurd. The pipeline originates from a single supplier in international waters and only enters
the EU in Germany.
Exactly, but South Stream and this Azeri sourced gas should be subject to the same stupid rules when it enters the EU, so Russia and Azeri gas going to Turkey through the same pipe will reduce costs of maintenance and even building them in the first place and both can share capacity to get to the customers.
By the look of the numbers given the Azeris might struggle to fill their 50% capacity, but I am sure deals can be negotiated...
JohninMK- Posts : 14642
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Not sure the point you are making.GarryB wrote:The problem is that Turkey is not in the EU so is not bound by their pipeline access rules. Multi access starts at the Greek and Bulgarian borders. Turkey will do what's in its best interests, which may or may not involve the pockets of its leaders.
But Russia is part of the EU????
Of course it isn't but its pipelines are as soon as they enter the EU Economic Zone so become subject to EU rules at that point. Rules primarily targeting Russia mind you.
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The situation is exactly the same... the intent is to pump gas to the EU to make money... to the north and the centre and to the south the Russians pump gas which eventually reaches the EU... the EU demands for competition means they have to allow other companies and other countries use their pipelines to allow for fair competition... which is interesting because if Russia and her partners build the pipes how is it fair competition for some other actor to come in with no overheads and costs and just use pipes already provided by a competitor...
In the south the Turkish and Azeris are building their own pipeline to take gas to the south of Europe... when it reaches the EU then they are in the same situation as Russia... Turkey and Russia are not part of the EU and nor are the Azeris, but if Russia has to build capacity in their supply lines to allow competitors to use their pipes then so should the Turks and the Azeris...
What I am suggesting is that they cooperate and build a pipeline from Turkey to the EU that takes both Russian and Azeri gas to the EU and both make a profit and also utilise any pipeline build to Europe 100% instead of the current 50% with no possibility of the other half being used because there are no competitors along the line of the pipes that could join on and use the capacity.
Bulgaria have been a bunch of tossers... using the Azeri pipe, which seems to bypass Bulgaria sounds like a good solution for Russia too.
In the south the Turkish and Azeris are building their own pipeline to take gas to the south of Europe... when it reaches the EU then they are in the same situation as Russia... Turkey and Russia are not part of the EU and nor are the Azeris, but if Russia has to build capacity in their supply lines to allow competitors to use their pipes then so should the Turks and the Azeris...
What I am suggesting is that they cooperate and build a pipeline from Turkey to the EU that takes both Russian and Azeri gas to the EU and both make a profit and also utilise any pipeline build to Europe 100% instead of the current 50% with no possibility of the other half being used because there are no competitors along the line of the pipes that could join on and use the capacity.
Bulgaria have been a bunch of tossers... using the Azeri pipe, which seems to bypass Bulgaria sounds like a good solution for Russia too.
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After seven days with AIS off the Professor AC is back on the pipeline route south of Gotland heading SW at 4 knots.
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Looks to be headed for Mukran, where she spent a lot of time alongside on her return from the Far East.
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Looks to be headed for Mukran, where she spent a lot of time alongside on her return from the Far East.
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Guessed correctly. She is now tied up in Murkan again.
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Russia should let these EU-twats eat cake. Way too much accommodation and compromise in favour of a collection of
foaming at the mouth Russia haters endlessly engaged in blood libel and dreaming of genocide.
The EU-tards are all cocky and sure because they know that Russia will still be shipping them 150 billion
cubic meters of gas each year. The US and nobody else can supply such a volume. So let the fuckers flap in the
wind and get some experience what it is to be hater bitches.
A full transition to LNG exports is needed. I think it was a mistake to build a pipeline to China. All these fuck-ass
customers think they can grift Russia without trying. LNG sold to the highest bidder is the only way to keep these
assholes in line.
foaming at the mouth Russia haters endlessly engaged in blood libel and dreaming of genocide.
The EU-tards are all cocky and sure because they know that Russia will still be shipping them 150 billion
cubic meters of gas each year. The US and nobody else can supply such a volume. So let the fuckers flap in the
wind and get some experience what it is to be hater bitches.
A full transition to LNG exports is needed. I think it was a mistake to build a pipeline to China. All these fuck-ass
customers think they can grift Russia without trying. LNG sold to the highest bidder is the only way to keep these
assholes in line.
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Pipelines are the way to go as long as the customers are not dicks and the transit countries are not also dicks.
I think they should build gas pipelines to North Korea and if South Korea ever grows a pair of testicles for itself they could extend it down to South Korea too, but I doubt the US would let them.
I think all further work on providing the EU with cheap energy is counter productive for Russia... just direct it all to Asia... China needs a lot of energy... and does not pull all the political shit that the west does.
I think they should build gas pipelines to North Korea and if South Korea ever grows a pair of testicles for itself they could extend it down to South Korea too, but I doubt the US would let them.
I think all further work on providing the EU with cheap energy is counter productive for Russia... just direct it all to Asia... China needs a lot of energy... and does not pull all the political shit that the west does.
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Russia ranks second by oil exports to China in September
https://tass.com/economy/1218527
https://tass.com/economy/1218527
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Absolutely hilarious!!! 
#Poland has officially requested #Gazprom a discount on price of gas few weeks after imposing an illegal 6,5 bln € fine that the Russian company will never pay of course.
https://twitter.com/Russ_Warrior/status/1322991554257182721
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magnumcromagnon wrote:Absolutely hilarious!!!
#Poland has officially requested #Gazprom a discount on price of gas few weeks after imposing an illegal 6,5 bln € fine that the Russian company will never pay of course.
https://twitter.com/Russ_Warrior/status/1322991554257182721
Oh my, reality bites. And hard.
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kvs wrote:magnumcromagnon wrote:Absolutely hilarious!!!
#Poland has officially requested #Gazprom a discount on price of gas few weeks after imposing an illegal 6,5 bln € fine that the Russian company will never pay of course.
https://twitter.com/Russ_Warrior/status/1322991554257182721
Oh my, reality bites. And hard.
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kvs wrote:magnumcromagnon wrote:Absolutely hilarious!!!
#Poland has officially requested #Gazprom a discount on price of gas few weeks after imposing an illegal 6,5 bln € fine that the Russian company will never pay of course.
https://twitter.com/Russ_Warrior/status/1322991554257182721
Oh my, reality bites. And hard.
Well the PiSSoff Party...err the PiS party is about to bite the dust, and now they're groveling like cowards for discounts lmao!
Imagine all this time slavishly answering the West's beck and call like a true lapdog, only for the West to launch a Color Revolution in their country lol! Funny thing is Poles have more in common socially with Russia than they do with Western Europe or the US. Viktor Orban out of Hungary plays things differently, he's more diplomatic and thus he maintains power while Jarosław Kaczyński (PiSs party) in Poland will not. A tale of 2 different forms of Euro conservatism...2 different paths...2 different outcomes!
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magnumcromagnon wrote:kvs wrote:magnumcromagnon wrote:Absolutely hilarious!!!
#Poland has officially requested #Gazprom a discount on price of gas few weeks after imposing an illegal 6,5 bln € fine that the Russian company will never pay of course.
https://twitter.com/Russ_Warrior/status/1322991554257182721
Oh my, reality bites. And hard.
Well the PiSSoff Party...err the PiS party is about to bite the dust, and now they're groveling like cowards for discounts lmao!
Unfortunately Russian Derangement Syndrome is being stoked in Poland. Russians do not treat Poland as an enemy, but the Poles
are trying really hard to change this.
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Looks like Southstream via Turkey could be complete.
The implementation of the Balkan Stream gas pipeline project has actually been completed. This is reported by TASS with reference to a knowledgeable source.
It is reported that the “Balkan Stream” was connected to a gas pipeline in Serbia. Due to the COVID-19 pandemic, there are no official events in connection with the completion of the gas pipeline. The source believes the ceremony may take place later.
The Prime Minister of Bulgaria said that the construction of the Balkan Stream gas pipeline in the country is almost complete. He noted that with the implementation of the project Bulgaria will turn into a regional strategic gas distribution center.
The Balkan Stream is a continuation of the Turkish Stream gas pipeline ….
https://geopolitics.news/europe/the-construction-of-the-balkan-stream-in-bulgaria-is-completed-bulgarian-part-of-turkish-stream-was-connected-with-a-section-in-serbia/
The implementation of the Balkan Stream gas pipeline project has actually been completed. This is reported by TASS with reference to a knowledgeable source.
It is reported that the “Balkan Stream” was connected to a gas pipeline in Serbia. Due to the COVID-19 pandemic, there are no official events in connection with the completion of the gas pipeline. The source believes the ceremony may take place later.
The Prime Minister of Bulgaria said that the construction of the Balkan Stream gas pipeline in the country is almost complete. He noted that with the implementation of the project Bulgaria will turn into a regional strategic gas distribution center.
The Balkan Stream is a continuation of the Turkish Stream gas pipeline ….
https://geopolitics.news/europe/the-construction-of-the-balkan-stream-in-bulgaria-is-completed-bulgarian-part-of-turkish-stream-was-connected-with-a-section-in-serbia/
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https://www.gazprom.ru/press/news/2020/november/article517226/
Gazprom announces record-beating natural gas discovery on Arctic shelf
The next tests of an exploration well at the Leningradskoye field of the Yamal gas production center - in the upper horizons were carried out . Earlier, using this well, a new reservoir was discovered in the lower horizons
During the research, an industrial gas flow was obtained with a flow rate of over 1 million cubic meters. m per day. This is a record figure for fields on the Russian Arctic shelf. It testifies to a significantly higher than expected productivity of the Leningradskoye field.
To ensure reliable gas supplies to consumers in the long term, Gazprom is consistently developing its resource base. One of the key tasks in the framework of this work is an integrated approach to the study and development of the Arctic shelf. It ensures high productivity of geological exploration in the harsh natural and climatic conditions of the shelf. The company is successfully overcoming the difficulties associated with the underdeveloped infrastructure and the limited market for services.
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German Business Association calls on US to lift sanctions against Nord Stream 2
https://tass.com/economy/1226221
https://tass.com/economy/1226221
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George1 wrote:German Business Association calls on US to lift sanctions against Nord Stream 2
https://tass.com/economy/1226221
Russia needs to cancel this project and let these idiots eat LNG cake. It will be funny since Russia will end up
supplying the LNG. And with Russia's nuclear capability it can use cheap nuclear power to liquify the natural
gas instead of what is routinely done, which is to use 30% of the gas to liquify 70% if it making it more expensive.
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That Russia cancels the project is exactly what the west wants. They would scream that Russia broke the contract and that you never ever can trust Russia in business dealings again. Poor little western companies that lost money and so on.
This whole thing is a test for the europeans, not for the russians. If the europeans don´t have the guts to finish that project they have to cancel it. Russia will just sit and wait - and fulfill the contracts.
This whole thing is a test for the europeans, not for the russians. If the europeans don´t have the guts to finish that project they have to cancel it. Russia will just sit and wait - and fulfill the contracts.
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Hole wrote:That Russia cancels the project is exactly what the west wants. They would scream that Russia broke the contract and that you never ever can trust Russia in business dealings again. Poor little western companies that lost money and so on.
This whole thing is a test for the europeans, not for the russians. If the europeans don´t have the guts to finish that project they have to cancel it. Russia will just sit and wait - and fulfill the contracts.
What contract? There is no contract. Since the other participants in the construction withdrew due to NATzO political pressure,
Gazprom has no obligation to complete the project. There is no gas transfer agreement through NS 2.
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Would be best of Germany folds and stops work on the project... then it can be redesigned to deliver to Kaliningrad and the EU can pay more for energy... from any source they like... just what they want... the freedom to pay more.
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Russia and Pakistan have signed an amended agreement for the construction of 1,122 Kilometres high pressure Regasified Liquefied Natural Gas pipeline from Karachi (Port Qasim) to Kasur (Punjab) paving a new era of strategic relationship between the two countries
https://twitter.com/dev9_/status/1330570868641116161
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Modi will turn in his grave. 
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Will this be a trunk distribution pipeline for Russian gas shipped in from the far east?magnumcromagnon wrote:Russia and Pakistan have signed an amended agreement for the construction of 1,122 Kilometres high pressure Regasified Liquefied Natural Gas pipeline from Karachi (Port Qasim) to Kasur (Punjab) paving a new era of strategic relationship between the two countries
https://twitter.com/dev9_/status/1330570868641116161