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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Dec 29, 2019 1:05 am

    from what I read on comments section over at sdelanounas is that USA tried same exact shit about 60 years ago and it failed. In the end, the pipeline will be built. Turkstream is already done, they are just now expanding it to southern Europe which all agreed with it. Nord Stream 2 is almost done and will be completed by Gazprom themselves. If for some reason it fails, LNG from Russia will increase and demand will boom, as Russia already provides double for Europe in LNG than US does.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:50 am

    miketheterrible wrote:from what I read on comments section over at sdelanounas is that USA tried same exact shit about 60 years ago and it failed.  In the end, the pipeline will be built.  Turkstream is already done, they are just now expanding it to southern Europe which all agreed with it.  Nord Stream 2 is almost done and will be completed by Gazprom themselves.  If for some reason it fails, LNG from Russia will increase and demand will boom, as Russia already provides double for Europe in LNG than US does.

    The only way the US is going to be supply LNG to the EU is by redirected output from Qatar and elsewhere. It will never be domestic US sourced LNG. And
    Qatar is the only racket they can run, for a while. Although they dream of taking over Iran and selling its natural gas to the EU as their own. Pure rape and
    plunder in the name of self-righteousness and self-declared exceptionalism.

    And Russia has anticipated all the moves by these retards. It is developing LNG export capacity like there is no tomorrow. That huge LNG processing
    plant in Yamal is an example. They industrially remove helium and other useful gases from the methane before liquefaction. Some gas station posing
    as a country. The US is a barbarian hive posing as a civilized country.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:49 am

    I'm not sure if forum members will agree with me or not but US society is broken. Broken families, individuals, pathological relationships, lonely people, etc., in the middle of all that extreme hedonism.

    The core of the problem is that all they see are lies... lies by rich people that promise better times but really only improve their own situation so the rich get much richer and the rest fight over what is left.

    Oil and Gas is a part of this... it has made a small group of families vastly more wealthy than they could ever justify needing to be... look at the countries demonised by the west... Russia and Iran... because they are not letting western oil companies go in there and make shameful levels of profit destroying the landscape and leaving the locals with nothing except perhaps a few new roads and empty buildings.
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    Post  Austin on Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:26 am

    Putin’s Grand Gas Project Makes Sense Now

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/12/26/putins-grand-gas-project-makes-sense-now-a68749
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:17 pm

    Austin wrote:Putin’s Grand Gas Project Makes Sense Now

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/12/26/putins-grand-gas-project-makes-sense-now-a68749

    Bah... more biased bullshit from that fucking prat Bershidsky. FFS why would a foreign-owned 5th-columnist outfit like Moscow times hire anyone but an anti-Putin hack as a "European columnist"?

    Some of the outrageous LIES this twisted little comprador pukes into his latest fake-news diatribe:

    External pressure and market circumstances have helped shape the new Russian gas export system so that it can’t really be used as a sinister tool of Putin’s rogue foreign policy.

    Sinister tool? Selling people cheap and reliable piped gas is somehow "sinister"???? As for "rogue foreign policy" I guess he is talking about Russia invading Iraq, or destroying Libya, or backing Wahabbi terror gangs in Syria, or supporting Neo-Nazi putchs in Ukraine and the consequent use of the military to suppress resistance, or seeking violent regime change in Venezuela as well as mass sanction designed to kill poor people, or instigating a coup against the elected Pres of Bolivia.... oh wait.... What a prick.

    Twice in the 2000s, Russia cut off gas supplies to Ukraine to try to bring it to heel, but without alternative export routes, such tactics were unsustainable

    No. They cut gas flows because Ukraine was STEALING gas from the volumes being delivered to paying EU consumers. The Uki trash has failed to pay for their own gas volumes and when Russia refused to supply more, the simply STOLE it. Bershidsky knows this, but the corrupt lying c*unt prints this rubbish anyway.

    To be fair, most of his article steers clear on infantile nonsense, but his paymasters expect the mandatory homages to NATO propaganda talking points so the corrupt little dancing monkey with zero integrity delivers what his organ-grinder wants.

    Bah, a pox on comprador traitors like this pathetic shit-stain. angry
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Dec 30, 2019 2:11 pm

    And Austin as usual has no ability to read through said articles before posting them. Half to majority are from fifth columnists who won't tell the truth if it bit them in the ass.
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    Post  kvs on Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:15 pm

    Actually Gazprom never cut off the gas flow. This is a western fake stream media lie being repeated over and over. Gazprom
    had an independent Swiss firm to monitor the gas valves at the border. It was the Yuschenko regime that shut down the flow of gas
    to the EU since it served their interests given the NATO anti-Russian propaganda hysteria. The Swiss monitors verified that no valves
    were closed on the Russian side of the border. Who needs facts or truth in the west, eh? The Moscow Times is a 5th column rag
    (such outfits do not exist in NATO, which proves that the endless bleating about "free media" by NATO is a lie) that is just parroting
    NATO lies about Russia.

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    Post  kvs on Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:16 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:And Austin as usual has no ability to read through said articles before posting them.  Half to majority are from fifth columnists who won't tell the truth if it bit them in the ass.

    Austin is acting like NATO propaganda troll on this board.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:10 am

    Austin is acting like NATO propaganda troll on this board.

    It is important to know the bullshit propaganda that NATO feeds its sheeple, to remind us what dirt bags they are and to keep repeating the truth to counter their lies.

    For instance I, for one, didn't know that it wasn't Russia that cut of gas supplies... thank you for that information kvs.

    Claims that Putin wields gas supplies like Trump wields sanctions and tarriffs are amusing because even when the west was putting sanctions and pressure on the Soviet Union for their invasion of Afghanistan the gas didn't stop to europe... so the only time the gas ever stopped what when it was turned off by the Ukraine... so it is pretty clearly not Putin wielding power like a Bond villain, but NATO propaganda creating an enemy to justify its funding and existence.

    Every time we are reminded of that is a good thing for truth and for common sense.

    Thank You Austin.

    And also to Gazza, Mike, and KVS for the rebuttal.
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    Post  Austin on Tue Dec 31, 2019 6:31 am

    Russia, Ukraine Sign Documents Ensuring Gas Transit Starting 1 January - Miller

    https://sputniknews.com/europe/201912311077905121-russia-ukraine-sign-documents-ensuring-gas-transit-starting-from-1-january---miller/
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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Dec 31, 2019 7:24 am

    Ukraine still owes Russia $3B and it's growing due to interests.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Dec 31, 2019 9:29 am

    In five years time when this new contract is renegotiated and two new bypass pipes are operating they can bring that up perhaps, but lets face it... when Russia hands over the money it promised it will disappear into some swiss bank account before the ink is dry on the cheque... do you really expect them to ever be in a position to pay it?

    It will depend who takes office and whether they can create the peace they promise or if the nazis currently in control will remain in control as to whether they are nice or just cut them off like they deserve.
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    Post  owais.usmani on Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:46 am

    https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Russia-Ukraine-Finalize-Key-Gas-Deal.html

    Russia-Ukraine Finalize Key Gas Deal



    Gazprom and Ukraine’s Naftogaz finally reached a deal on the transit of Russian natural gas through Ukraine to Europe.

    TASS quoted Gazprom chief executive Alexei Miller say saying, "After continuous bilateral talks, which lasted for five days in Vienna, final decisions and agreements have been reached. We have signed a number of agreements and contracts, and they are in reality a significant package deal, which has restored the balance of interests of both sides."

    There was concern in Europe that the two may fail to reach an agreement that would affect Russian gas deliveries to Europe given the tense political relations—and legal disputes—between the neighbors but, once again, pragmatism seems to have prevailed.

    The good news for Ukraine, for whom gas transit fees are vitally important, is that the agreement includes stipulations about guaranteed volumes of gas that Gazprom will send across Ukraine. These are 65 billion cubic meters for 2020, falling to 40 billion cubic meters for the period between 2021 and 2024.

    The good news for Gazprom is that Naftogaz will waive its claims to the 2009 contract between the companies as would Gazprom itself. The waivers might finally put an end to the legal saga that has been dragging for years. During these years, Naftogaz accused Gazprom of failing to supply the agreed volumes of gas while Gazprom accused Naftogaz of not paying for all the gas it received.

    "The withdrawal of all existing appeals and claims on behalf of both sides” was part of the terms of the five-year contract, the executive director of Naftogaz, Yury Vitrenko said.

    BNN Bloomberg quoted Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelensky, as saying that under the new contract, Kiev will receive some $7 billion from transit fees.

    According to Reuters, Gazprom has a 36-percent share of the European natural gas market, with European exports outside the former Soviet Union averaging 200 billion cubic meters. Of this, 86.8 billion cubic meters were transited through Ukraine last year.
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    Post  owais.usmani on Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:29 pm

    Austin wrote:Putin’s Grand Gas Project Makes Sense Now

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/12/26/putins-grand-gas-project-makes-sense-now-a68749

    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Russia-Goes-For-Global-Gas-Dominance.html

    Interesting comments on the article:


    Mamdouh Salameh
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    December 30 2019
    said:
    From the first day of his presidency, President Putin has set his eye on making Russia the superpower of Energy with sharp nuclear teeth. Not only this goal has been achieved but Russia has also emerged as the world’s superpower of natural gas since it has the largest proven gas reserves in the globe and is also the largest exporter of gas. Furthermore, it accounts for 40% of the European Union’s (EU’s) growing gas market and is now on the way to becoming the largest supplier of natural gas to China, the world’s largest energy market.

    Russia’s supremacy in gas supplies will be further enhanced by the completion early
    next year of both the Nord Steam 2 and Turk Stream gas pipelines which will be bringing more Russian gas supplies to the EU under the Baltic and the Black Seas respectively.

    Russian position will be also strengthened by the Power of Siberia gas pipeline which was inaugurated in early December and which will be supplying 38 bcm of gas annually to China for the next 30 years.

    And Putin’s plans don’t stop here. While Russia’s gas giant Gazprom is launching new pipelines east and west, Russia’s largest private gas producer Novatek is boosting its presence on the global LNG market. Novatek, which already exports LNG from the Yamal LNG plant in the Arctic gave in September the go-ahead to its second large LNG project, Arctic LNG 2. Now Novatek is a major exporter of LNG to China and it already accounts for 19% of the LNG market in the EU.

    The United States has been trying to derail Nord Stream 2 first by President Trump threatening Germany with sanctions if it goes ahead with building the gas pipeline and now by threatening to impose sanctions on companies involved in its construction. But with President Putin at the helm and with support from the Iron German Chancellor Angel Merkel, Nord Stream 2 is unstoppable.

    And despite claims by the United States that Nord Stream 2 undermines Europe’s overall energy security and stability, the Europeans see US opposition as a crude attempt to force them to buy US LNG.

    While the sanctions may delay the completion of Nord Stream 2 by a few months, this will not affect Russian natural gas supplies to the EU. Russia could continue its gas shipments to the EU through Ukraine particularly after the recent agreement with Ukraine to settle their differences regarding the amount of Russian gas that will pass through Ukraine on its way to the EU and the transit fees that Ukraine will earn.

    Still the United States’ projected LNG exports to the EU could be seriously affected. Germany may decide to shun US LNG exports altogether in retaliation against the United States’ interference in its energy affairs and the EU’s and buy Russian or Qatari LNG instead.

    Moreover, previous US sanctions against Russia have proven a failure. Russia’s economy has emerged far stronger and more resilient from the 2014 US sanctions with Russia's foreign-exchange and gold reserves climbing by nearly one-fifth over the past year to almost $550 billion. This means that Russia could finance the completion of Nord Stream 2 on its own using its home-grown pipe-laying technology.

    The reality of the 21st century—as President Putin sees it—is that energy is a political instrument. Political alliances and the rise and fall of the international importance of particular countries will change in accordance with the energy supply routes.

    Dr Mamdouh G Salameh
    International Oil Economist
    Visiting Professor of Energy Economics at ESCP Europe Business School, London

    Douglas Houck
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    December 30 2019
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    What is left out of this article is the recently completed negotiations between Russia and Ukraine, which are part of the larger negotiations from the recent Normandy format talks between Russia, Ukraine, Germany and France earlier this December. These talks were to address not only the transport of natural gas through Ukraine but how to deescalate the tensions in the Donbass region.

    In 2018 Ukraine transported 87 bcm of natural gas from Russia to Europe. With the completion of Nord Stream 2 (55 bcm) and Turkstream (15 bcm) it was expected that Ukraine would only be used to transport 10-15 bcm of natural gas with the resultant decrease in export fees which make up a significant source of revenue for the Ukraine government.

    The recently signed agreement requires Russia to export a minimum of 65 bcm in 2020 and 40 bcm in the subsequent years of 2021-2024 through Ukraine with a payment of $7 billion. These values correspond to little to no use of Nord Stream 2 in 2020 and only one barrel in the subsequent years. The biggest winner is Ukraine, then Europe and possibly to Russia. The biggest loser is the US and its desire to export LNG to Europe.


    With this agreement and the extra year Russia and Germany have to complete Nord Stream 2 with Russian equipment, no decrease in Russian natural gas to Europe is expected. Where Russia has the potential to come out ahead is from the expected increase in natural gas that Europe will need as the Netherland gas fields come to an end of production and Germany shuts down its nuclear power plants. The actual amount of natural gas needed in the future is dependent on how much renewable energy Europe can bring on-line. Still, it is expected that Europe will need more gas than they are using now. To meet this need Russia had talked about building a third Nord Stream pipeline.

    With a more secure and friendlier pipeline through Ukraine, Russia can easily export whatever amount of natural gas through Nord Stream 2 and all the other pipelines Europe will need in the near to mid-term future. Europe has secured its natural gas needs and with the prisoner swap, etc. helped stabilize Ukraine.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:32 pm

    This is NOT a win for Russia by any means. This was a total dud.

    they folded to the west over Ukraine. Now Russian tax payers money will fund the blood spill in eastern Ukraine only because they cant say no to Europe. Not only they have to pay Naftogaz $3B when Ukraine owes Russia $3B, but they get $7B for transit. Plus Ukraine (who calls Russia an enemy, calls for killing Russians, etc) gets a gas discount on top of it all from Russia. Are you fucking kidding me?

    Grow a fucking spine Russia.
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    Post  kvs on Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:41 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:This is NOT a win for Russia by any means.  This was a total dud.

    they folded to the west over Ukraine.  Now Russian tax payers money will fund the blood spill in eastern Ukraine only because they cant say no to Europe.  Not only they have to pay Naftogaz $3B when Ukraine owes Russia $3B, but they get $7B for transit.  Plus Ukraine (who calls Russia an enemy, calls for killing Russians, etc) gets a gas discount on top of it all from Russia.  Are you fucking kidding me?

    Grow a fucking spine Russia.

    Indeed. As if Russia could not have anticipated these sanctions hysterics from Washington. Since there are no pipe-laying projects in the Pacific, it made no sense
    for Russia's main pipe laying ship to be parked there instead of in European waters. And Russia had no actual need to hire the Swiss to do the laying job and could
    have avoided the predictable disruption. Now every day of project delay will cost millions of dollars.

    The galling thing about the deal with the Banderastani excrement is that such deals should be made only under military concessions. That is, only if the Kiev
    regime withdraws its paramilitary and military forces from the Donbas. Stopping the shelling of residential neighbourhoods is a minimum condition.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:43 pm

    kvs wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:This is NOT a win for Russia by any means.  This was a total dud.

    they folded to the west over Ukraine.  Now Russian tax payers money will fund the blood spill in eastern Ukraine only because they cant say no to Europe.  Not only they have to pay Naftogaz $3B when Ukraine owes Russia $3B, but they get $7B for transit.  Plus Ukraine (who calls Russia an enemy, calls for killing Russians, etc) gets a gas discount on top of it all from Russia.  Are you fucking kidding me?

    Grow a fucking spine Russia.

    Indeed.  As if Russia could not have anticipated these sanctions hysterics from Washington.   Since there are no pipe-laying projects in the Pacific, it made no sense
    for Russia's main pipe laying ship to be parked there instead of in European waters.   And Russia had no actual need to hire the Swiss to do the laying job and could
    have avoided the predictable disruption.   Now every day of project delay will cost millions of dollars.  

    The galling thing about the deal with the Banderastani excrement is that such deals should be made only under military concessions.  That is, only if the Kiev
    regime withdraws its paramilitary and military forces from the Donbas.   Stopping the shelling of residential neighbourhoods is a minimum condition.


    And they fucking didn't. They instead give the Russian killers 25% discount on Russian Gas. Wow. So it really pays off to kill Russians in Russia? Putin is a real fucking moron here. Then again he said it is all bullshit. So it may be people he has no control over making this decision. At that point, I would purge the system Stalin style.

    You know that Miller from Gazprom did this on purpose.

    Now Russia needs to show a spine and sue the Swiss company for not fulfilling their contract. But for some reason, I doubt they will do it.
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    Post  kvs on Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:50 pm

    The Swiss will invoke "force majeur" (the yanquis are an act of God) as a defense and will get away with it. Especially, with biased
    kangaroo arbitration courts like the one in Stockholm.

    Maybe Putin thinks he is some real Christian and is turning the other cheek. He needs to be careful since his head can be lopped off.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Jan 01, 2020 4:41 pm

    kvs wrote:The Swiss will invoke "force majeur" (the yanquis are an act of God) as a defense and will get away with it.   Especially, with biased
    kangaroo arbitration courts like the one in Stockholm.

    Maybe Putin thinks he is some real Christian and is turning the other cheek.   He needs to be careful since his head can be lopped off.

     

    It would be better if his head was lopped off. Then it will be an eye opener to rest of Russians that they need strength, not bullshit feel good tactics.
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    Post  PhSt on Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:20 pm


    The bottom line is that the Russians made a Huge mistake when they decided to breakup the USSR and gave away territories that it fought hard for during WW2. Now they are paying the ultimate price for their carelessness. I hope the Chinese will not be so Stupid to trust the west.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:39 am

    Now Russian tax payers money will fund the blood spill in eastern Ukraine only because they cant say no to Europe.

    What are you babbling on about?

    WTF do Russian tax payers have to do with this?

    Not only they have to pay Naftogaz $3B when Ukraine owes Russia $3B, but they get $7B for transit. Plus Ukraine (who calls Russia an enemy, calls for killing Russians, etc) gets a gas discount on top of it all from Russia. Are you fucking kidding me?

    Grow a fucking spine Russia.

    Grow a brain Mike... if the Ukraine is getting 7 billion just in transit fees how much is Russia making on this deal?

    Or do you think Russia is offering to pay the Ukraine more the the gas going through their pipes than the EU is paying for the gas?

    The galling thing about the deal with the Banderastani excrement is that such deals should be made only under military concessions. That is, only if the Kiev
    regime withdraws its paramilitary and military forces from the Donbas. Stopping the shelling of residential neighbourhoods is a minimum condition.

    Why should Gazprom give a shit about the internal problems in the Ukraine?

    They sell gas.

    They instead give the Russian killers 25% discount on Russian Gas. Wow. So it really pays off to kill Russians in Russia? Putin is a real fucking moron here

    First of all the people they are killing call themselves Ukrainian, and even with a 25% discount Russia will still be making a decent profit. And Putin had no part in the negotiations so what has he to do with this?

    Then again he said it is all bullshit.

    So he said he is not happy with the results yet it is still his fault... interesting.

    So it may be people he has no control over making this decision. At that point, I would purge the system Stalin style.

    Of for fucks sake have a little think about what you are saying... the west and NATO and the US are evil because they manipulate and lie and steal and murder... and the only thing wrong with Putin is that he doesn't manipulate and murder and fire people when it suits you... amazing when the west claims he is this monster you say he isn't but when he isn't you wish he was... sort your shit out dude... do you want Russia and Putin to be America part two with resources and technology to burn?

    You know that Miller from Gazprom did this on purpose.

    What... is it still Putins fault though...?

    Now Russia needs to show a spine and sue the Swiss company for not fulfilling their contract. But for some reason, I doubt they will do it.

    I doubt they will be paid for work they didn't do, but they could hardly not pay them for work they have done.

    The Swiss will invoke "force majeur" (the yanquis are an act of God) as a defense and will get away with it. Especially, with biased
    kangaroo arbitration courts like the one in Stockholm.

    Perhaps that might be a good thing and force Russia to finally break ties with these european organisations that exclude Russia every chance they get, but accept their payments and financial contributions...

    It would be better if his head was lopped off. Then it will be an eye opener to rest of Russians that they need strength, not bullshit feel good tactics.

    You sound like you are quoting from the US State department hand book on regime change and international diplomacy...

    The bottom line is that the Russians made a Huge mistake when they decided to breakup the USSR and gave away territories that it fought hard for during WW2. Now they are paying the ultimate price for their carelessness. I hope the Chinese will not be so Stupid to trust the west.

    I disagree... most of it was dead weight that they were carrying... more a burden than something of value... it has taken enough energy to improve things in Russia... imagine having to pay for stuff in the Ukraine and Baltic states... not to mention the 'stans.

    Russia needs to focus on its own territory to develop and grow and invest... which should also include using Russian products and Russian companies and Russian technologies instead of western ones.

    Russia needs to keep in mind that the pipes it is laying are for the benefit of Europe so if they don't want it bad enough to stand up to peewees like Poland or ogres like the US then let them pay more for their gas supplies...
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    Post  PhSt on Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:34 am

    imagine having to pay for stuff in the Ukraine and Baltic states... not to mention the 'stans.

    But the point is, there will be no independent Ukraine or Lithuania or Stans since these regions will be Russian oblasts (or republics if Russian gov wants to make them feel some degree of autonomy), would you say the same about lets say, Sakha Republic or Republic or Tatarstan? If Ukraine, Baltics and Stans were incorporated immediately into Russia after the collapse of SU, there will be little time for NATO to implant anti Russia propaganda in the minds of its local populace. Unfortunately, after the separation of these countries from Russia, NATO had the chance to brainwash the people of these countries that they are NOT Russian and NATO actively convinced the people of Ukraine, Baltics and Stans that they have their own national identity. Now it will require a massive event like World War 3 for Russia to incorporate these territories again to be part of its own.

    Russia needs to focus on its own territory to develop and grow and invest... which should also include using Russian products and Russian companies and Russian technologies instead of western ones.

    This is a positive step. But more needs to be done to expand Russia's reach.

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    Post  owais.usmani on Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:06 am

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/129128/

    Bulgaria began to receive Russian gas from Turkish Stream

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    Post  Big_Gazza on Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:49 am

    miketheterrible wrote:And they fucking didn't.  They instead give the Russian killers 25% discount on Russian Gas.  Wow.  So it really pays off to kill Russians in Russia?  Putin is a real fucking moron here.  Then again he said it is all bullshit.  So it may be people he has no control over making this decision.  At that point, I would purge the system Stalin style.

    You know that Miller from Gazprom did this on purpose.

    Now Russia needs to show a spine and sue the Swiss company for not fulfilling their contract.  But for some reason, I doubt they will do it.

    My take on this is that Russia agreed to a tactical concession in order to secure a strategic objective. Paying a few billion to Ukropistan is a small price to keep the EU (especially Germany) happy while the US is progressively pissing off the Europeans with their hegemonic BS and extra-territorial sanctions.

    I HATE the idea of Russia paying a single fucking kopek to that shit-stained cesspit of a Banderite-infected cunt nation, but revenge is a dish best served cold, and Russia needs to keep her wits about her as she works to undermine this latest NATOista atrocity, not blunder around aimlessly breaking stuff and pissing everyone off like an American would. Twisted Evil
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:05 am

    Unfortunately, after the separation of these countries from Russia, NATO had the chance to brainwash the people of these countries that they are NOT Russian and NATO actively convinced the people of Ukraine, Baltics and Stans that they have their own national identity. Now it will require a massive event like World War 3 for Russia to incorporate these territories again to be part of its own.

    You are making the assumption that these regions are worth keeping for Russia.

    You have to ask yourself, what is it about these regions that makes them valuable to Russia... sure a lot of ship building infrastructure in the Ukraine was valuable, but that was in 1990... not now. These people have been poisoned against Russia, which is something Russia needs to accept and understand and move on.

    Trying to win them back has to be for a reason... Russia is huge already so they don't need extra land, and adding countries to itself means having to fix and fund the rebuilding of these states and changing them to Russian standards and mentality... that is going to take decades and be rather expensive.... but to what end?

    What does Russia get out of incorporating the Ukraine back into Russia?

    Will they be grateful?

    Will there be a sudden windfall of wealth generated by this action?

    No... in fact the opposite... it is going to cost a lot of money to fix those regions and get them up to speed where they contribute to the entire collective rather than are a drain on resources.

    Russia would be much better off concentrating on its own problems and start developing its own country... as things improve and get better these states that rejected Russia before might start to take an interest and future cooperation might be possible, but just as a rat doens't seek to get aboard a sinking ship, there is no point in Russia taking on basket case countries when they clearly don't want to be saved... they want to become part of the west and live the good life... well I am sure there are plenty of people in the west wondering what happened to that too.

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