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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:58 am

    Interesting report..
    Shows the kind of business "relations" that Putin have with Lukashenko in Belarus..
    Basically Lukashenko extort Putin at any opportunity he can ,he make first a deal.. signed in a contract
    and later wants to change it.. at the expense of Russia economy.. he wanted to pay the lowest gas prices
    even more lower than the ones Russia give to the economic block from former soviet states..  and then
    also he wanted to change the terms of a loan ,that he already signed years ago..  for building a nuclear
    reactor with Russian money... for what? for ending Belarus dependence on russia energy.. lol1

    So Putin needs to give $10 billions dollars from Russian budget ,to build a nuclear reactor for lukashenko..
    then later he complain ,after the deal signed.. years earlier that he wants the paymens to be postponed and extended from 25 years to 35 years..  and he threaten Putin with moving close to the west and US he don't
    agree with his demands.. lol1

    So it doesn't suprise me at all.. putin is polite teddy bear ,and everyone try to take advantage of
    him.. all this things show.. that russia is indeed a gas station and energy station in real practice.. that
    russia cards of influence is limited to energy prices and selling of weapons.. i remember how lukashenko started
    an scandal because Putin did not gave the transfer of technology of some Russian missiles .that he wanted.. for self defense.. and then in retaliation he got rockets from china instead..  

    So Putin is a serious threat for Russia national security ..everyone abuse of him weakness and politeness
    and extort him.. lukashenko , erdogan ,and netanyahu.. manipulate him into consessions in almost any way
    they want.. and his mediocre development of Russia ,with an economy focused in energy and commodities and low risk business ,in combination with his insecure personality , is the reason why Russia don't take off , and is so disrespected in the world.. is extorted.. and its interest always  attacked.. No


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    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2852783.html



    Lukashenko is ready to go to extreme measures to distance itself from Russia on the Ukrainian model. In this he is supported by Pro-Western Russophobia the opposition previously supported his former Nemesis in violent Belarusization. The West also favors such solutions.
    Barely ended in dramatic negotiations of Alexander Lukashenko with Vladimir Putin in Krasnaya Polyana, as the Deputy Chairman of the Belarusian Council of Ministers Dmitry Krutoy made an official clarification of the agreements. Judging by the TV spots and accents in the official publications, as well as the comments of advocates, Moscow conceded the demands of the Belarusian delegation to deprive Belarus of favorable conditions for mutual trade, in particular to raise the price of Russian oil for the Belarusian side.

    Incredible how to win in the negotiation process on the terms of Russian oil deliveries to Belarus presented to Belarusian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Krutoy: "the Russian side agreed that Belarusian refineries would buy the oil by agreement with the Russian oil companies at prices which are set on the world market. By the way, that during all the negotiations have repeatedly demanded our President and the Belarusian side".

    "Belarus does not need any special conditions. We want to buy oil on the world quotes, not worse. Russian President Vladimir Putin has agreed with this approach. Moreover, he promised that the Russian government will provide every assistance in our work with the Russian extracting companies to supply oil to Belarusian refineries was exactly in such conditions that I said above".
    Dmitry Krutoy
    The Belarusian state concern "Belneftehim" in early January, informed that "taking into account the implementation of the next phase of the tax maneuver in the Russian Federation the price of "cheap duty-free Russian oil" today is 83 per cent of the world". Thus, the leadership of Belarus has achieved in Sochi, the increase in the cost of Russian oil to Belarusian refineries.

    Cool also reported a more important agreement, which is not too bulged, but is of vital importance for diversification of oil supplies to Belarus, in particular, from Kazakhstan: "There were certain restrictions on access to transit pipe "Transneft". The President of Russia promised all these restrictions removed. They are set for all export markets and supply it in a separate decree. In Belarus, this decree will not apply. That is, every company will be profitable and interesting to work with our refinery, will get the admission to the pipe, transit, supplies via the Transneft as an agent. Any restrictions here will not."

    The restrictions were not discriminatory in respect of one only of Belarus. The experience of "contamination" of oil pipeline "Druzhba" last spring demonstrated that restriction of access is necessary, and existed in 2019 access rules should have been tightened.

    A curious detail: after much discussion on the supply of "dirty oil" and claims incredible compensation Minsk still has not provided justification for such payments. Population long and in paints told who is guilty, resented the lack of payments from the Russian side, but their calculations are not provided. The Russian side had wisely decided not to give reasons for statements about insufficiently large payments or wrong calculation.

    Also noteworthy is the ability of the current leadership of Belarus to think strategically. To make a bargain to carry in the process of large financial and reputational losses, and ultimately pay more — this is signature style. However, to register in the strategy of development of its petrochemical complex by 2030 foreign commodity risks and determine ways to minimize them, to practice to pay more — it is a sign of a special gift of government.

    At the same time, statements Steep Deputy head of the state concern Belneftekhim Vladimir Sizov spoke about the preparation of the strategy of development of the petrochemical complex of the Republic for the next ten years, noting: "the Most important factors that we considered when developing the strategy is the external risks and ways to minimize them". He called the "main risk" — the change in the price of raw materials (i.e. crude oil). Describing this risk, he said — "is output at the world price and removal of the dependence of the petrochemical complex of these fluctuations, the ability to work in conditions of global prices for petrochemical raw materials". Judging by the actions of a very specific officials in the leadership of Belarus since the end of last year, they deliberately created such a risk, introducing the most important export industry of the Republic in a state of uncertainty.

    The gas issue was also the focus of the Sochi negotiators. In 2019, the official Minsk refused to sign the contracts for the supply of oil and gas from Russia. If oil was to experiment overpayment for an urgent delivery of oil from Norway, with the gas supply there was no alternative.

    Lukashenko, in this case, in the terminology of the Cool, "repeatedly demanded" reducing the cost of Russian gas to the level of the Smolensk region. During the Sochi negotiations of the Belarusian delegation pronounce numbers $100 and $94 per thousand cubic meters. As a result, gas in the current year, another unfinished part of the Union state will receive $127 — at last year's price.

    "At the talks with Gazprom, of course, we will make a small adjustment in our favor, but as the basic variant, price $127 actually recorded at the presidential level", — said Cool.

    He also said: "Now the task is, given that we have a gas contract there is only for two months — January and February still to solve the issue for March-December".

    That is, of the Deputy Chairman of the Belarusian government can be understood as follows: the problem in understanding the left for Minsk, and he hopes for a price reduction — in recognition agreements. POPs up the analogy with the end of the fairy tale by Alexander Pushkin about the old man and the Golden fish.

    By the way, meanwhile in Belarus again aggravated the problem of adequate perception of the world-genius: just before the Sochi talks, this time in Minsk, vandals defiled the monument to the classic of world literature. Prior to that, the monument to Pushkin in Mogilev disfigured other vandals official, so it's not unusual for Belarusian realities has not happened. These facts also affect the public perception and political leadership of Russia the prospects of integration, in which Lukashenko voiced their economic demands.

    "Why did you deceive us? Moreover, don't cheat, and I think we forgot" — asked Lukashenko on 4 February in Dobrush provincial, presenting the claims of Moscow on the gas issue. For some time past he chose such a strange manner of communication with the Russian leadership.

    Previously on this topic: Voluntarism Lukashenka provokes a crisis in Belarus

    Lukashenka systematically declares that the Russian side does not fulfill the agreements on lowering the gas prices for Belarus, which was allegedly reached more than ten years ago when selling to Gazprom, the Belarusian gas transport enterprise "Beltransgaz" (now JSC "Gazprom transgaz Belarus"). Thus you cannot reference a single document and not telling the truth about that deal, turning the situation into a favourable perspective. Gas, meanwhile, for the Belarusian enterprises is expensive, and raises prices for the Belarusian domestic market, not Moscow.

    Another question, who commented on the Steep after the negotiations of Lukashenka and Putin in Krasnaya Polyana — the construction of the Belarusian NPP. And here Minsk also initiated the revision of the reached arrangements. They are bonded not only presidents, but also intergovernmental agreements, contracts, and loans, for the most part already been spent on the construction of a nuclear power station. And now, after all this time and without regard to specific legal obligations by the price of nearly ten billion dollars, Lukashenko proposes to revise the deal for the NPP.

    Read the news story: the NPP

    "Today is probably the most significant joint integration project", — said the Deputy Chairman of the government of Belarus, making it clear that Minsk is aware of the importance of the initiated step.

    According to Cool, the governments of Belarus and Russia will discuss the change in credit terms to Finance the construction of a nuclear power plant in the Grodno region. The Vice-Premier said: "there is an obvious solution, given the short delay of time. We are asking to delay the start time of the payments on the loan. Plus we ask, not to bear the additional load, extend the term of the loan and reduce the interest rate, bringing it in line roughly with those contracts that exist in the "Rosatom" in other countries. There may be a small interest rate adjustments".

    Lukashenko at the negotiations on 7 February tried to convince Putin not only to reduce the rate of loan of the government of the Russian Federation, but also to extend the period of the Belarusian service obligations and debt repayment from 25 to 35 years. The intergovernmental loan agreement on granting to the government of Belarus, the Russian state export loan for the NPP construction was signed on 25 November 2011. The expense of the Russian budget in the amount of $10 billion make up a large part of the money for the project. Likewise been attracted by other Russian and foreign resources, the development of which was carried out by Russian, Belarusian and Chinese companies.

    It would seem that Minsk and Moscow had agreed on the terms of crediting of the project. However, as with the price of Russian oil and gas, Lukashenka periodically initiates the scandals with the requirements to review the cost of Russian credit resources. Funding the NPP is no exception. Mikhail Babich thoroughly explained this issue last year when he was the Russian Ambassador and special representative of the President of Russia on development trading-economic cooperation with Belarus.

    The NPP is intended to reduce the dependence of Belarus on imports of Russian energy. The solution to this problem, judging by the current rhetoric of Belarusian officials and Pro-Western opposition, will allow to deprive Russia of the possibility of "energy blackmail". In this context, it is clear why Lukashenka suddenly decided to pay out of people's pocket for "alternative" oil from Norway and other countries. The overpayment will constitute, by various estimates, several billion dollars that Minsk has no.

    Political, or rather ideological considerations, judging by the wafting from Minsk rhetoric outweigh rational economic calculation. Lukashenko is ready to go to extreme measures to distance itself from Russia on the Ukrainian model. In this he supports the Pro-Western Russophobia the opposition previously supported his former Nemesis in violent Belarusization. The West also favors such solutions, as evidenced by recent statements by Secretary of state Michael Pompeo, Minister of foreign Affairs of Lithuania Linas Linkevičius, Minister of foreign Affairs of Poland Paul Jablonski and many other officials, experts, and leaders of NGOs.



    Lukashenko initiated the revision of long-standing and achieved a few dozen hours ago agreements demonstrates his inability. The success they started bargaining with Russia on oil and gas better judge of the Belarusian Directorate and millions of ordinary people, barely getting by. A number of Russian experts considers expedient for Moscow to take a pause in the discussion of serious issues with Minsk. Belarusian society, in turn, will have to decide with the prospect of living under such control on or soon to sacrifice something for a better future.


    the most short sighted people with less iq.. ,will always blame always others.. for russia problems..
    oh is lukashenko ,,he is such a pussy.. ohh is kasakistan government , the reason why they removing
    russian language.. ohh.. is kazan ,the reason they want more automamy.. ohh is europeans..is their liberals
    what destroy the world.. is the west ,what creates the 5th column.. they had to be paid.. but very few
    will see the connection with Putin mediocre and weak leadership and outdated vision of Russia development..
    with the poor and mediocre influence Russia have over christian nations.. mostly muslims third world country with zero leadership , follow Russia ,only for its weapons.. and to convert the nation into their religion..

    had Russia was a modern nation with modern culture and a modern economy , a business super power
    it will not need tolerate disrespect and extortion of so many nations and will impose its will without dropping
    a single bomb or firing a bullet.. notice how baltics and all europe pay the prices that US demands.. they tell
    jump and they do it.. why is that? but Russia is completely disrespected by west.. and allies too..and why
    is that ? because US is a strong nation with strong business that leads world development and influence
    the entire world with its modern culture .. and Russia not.. is a follower.
    So anyone who wants to trade with US business will need to follow their lead and their demands..
    because russia export nothing ,than the world could not get elsewhere..except for cheap prices. then russia becomes the less followed and only nations isolated from the world or rejected for their culture ,follows russia.
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    Post  Austin on Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:57 pm

    Sechin said that the East Oil project will lead to an increase in Russia's GDP by 2% per year

    https://tass.ru/ekonomika/7734295
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    Post  Vann7 on Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:18 am

    Austin wrote:Sechin said that the East Oil project will lead to an increase in Russia's GDP by 2% per year

    https://tass.ru/ekonomika/7734295

    And later so called "geniuses" in this forum claim Russia economy is not a gas station .... Laughing
    when its economy is so reliant in selling energy ,energy prices and services related to
    energy maintanance and energy security in police and military protecting those pipelines and nuclear reactors
    ,no mentioning the monumental engineering jobs, that russia energy industry , creates.. from oil to gas alone..

    Russian oil & gas companies to invest $20B in Iraq – reports

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfRRhwbPidA

    even the Russian Finance Minister Anton Siluanov ,have said that..
    that the economy is too dependent in energy (in other words a gas station) and that they will try
    to modernize it.. but such thing never happens.. with Putin the imbecile in power.. he thinks
    that by just raising the gdp a few points , he will be able to counter the west ,who is already at war with Russia.

    This is why US foreign policy interfere so much with oil and gas exporting nations that they don't influence as venezuela ,iraq and iran.. and why there is a war with syria.. which one of its most important goals ,was a pipeline to bypass Gassprom in europe.

    Here is the biggest misconceptionabout US foreign policy.. they don't need at all the oil ,they have plenty..
    through fracking , they don't care about contamination. of if civilians die.. they actually have a depopulation agenda...too many americans in US . neither they need the oil of the nations they invade..not for personal use.. they need the oil of middle east ,africa and latin america.. to flood the market with oil and destroy Putin's Russia and its gas station economy.. because they know ,Russia economy is a third world nation economy...that is sensitive to commodities exports and price of commodities.., like african economies are..and so is extremely sensitive to the prices of oil..that also affect natural gas prices too.. any change in oil prices.

    So if putin depends in oil.. Americans flood the market with oil... i even remember how the bastard Putin.
    was ridiculizing Mcain in an interview ,when he was proposing releasing all oil reserves in US to flood the market
    with oil.. and damage Russia economy.. he even laughed at the interview.. saying they can't do that because
    it will damage american energy industry too and because use oil reserves only will last 6months.. So putin bragged that americans can't flood the market with oil.. and damage russia economy.. and this is exactly what US did ,without the need to use reserves.. just fracking. the crashed russia economy 2 points.. with oil prices attacks.. it damage US energy industry too.. so what? it damage Russia more.. because Putin is an idiot who have made russia economy extremely sensitive to oil prices.. So americans will not mind sending bankrupt a few dozens of energy companies..if with that they can collapse the entire Russia economy.. it hurts them.. but it hurts far more Russia.. and this is the point the moron in chief in Russia did not understand.. he still double down in energy.. when americans can very easily cam make the energy industry very unprofitable for russia..

    if putin invest heavily in potatoes.. then american will build a potato factor in all russian borders..
    if putin invest in sports.. what american did.. they banned russia from olympics now ,so russia no longer
    can hold major events in russia..

    if putin invest in space.. then american invest ..errr... in space is not easy to neutralize russian business..
    because high tech is not easy to replace.. this is why king of fools putin.. all that the moron needs to do..
    to develops its nation.. it to build an economy that is sanctions and sabotage proof.. and how can he do that ?

    by transforming Russia third world nation commodities economy that is easy to counter by US ,
    into a state of the art high tech and space leadership economy.. americans can't provide an alternative
    to Russia soyuz program ,until now.. and so this is why US can't sanction it.. because they need it..
    and so all that putin need to do to counter the west ,to gain respect and to end the cold war.. and end
    the american empire.. is transform russia economy into a high tech space exploration economy ,and this will
    make it impossible for the west to damage or limit russia economic development. is a leadership problem
    what russia face .. nothing more , nothing less.



    Have putin had any brains.. he will have rented /privatized its energy industry to France and germany and china and let them build the pipelines with their own money and leave happy with a commission and taxes from each oil and gas extracted.. and not have pipelines debt.  this will have allowed Russia energy to totally become a monopoly in europe , and in china and russia earn a lot without having to worry at all ,on energy prices..with the
    money earned for privatizing its energy industry and if a major war start..with europe? no problemo.. Russia
    can nationalize back its energy industry and take it  for free..and europe without gas..  Wink ,

    But putin is an idiot and wants to develop Russia ,same way staling did with soviet union..
    an oil exporter country ,a gas station. by privatizing the energy industry , the money russia makes ,can reinvest it..to modernize Russia economy ,from commodities based economy ,like venezuela and africa is.. to a space exploration and high tech based economy.. that way Russia not only earn the respect and influence it wants with the west.. but also directly counters US economy with business leadership.. as China is doing with huawei..
    this also will disband NATO , when russian high tech and space business becomes more important than american ones..

    Putin is the only sole responsible for the wars he is facing.. the west target the energy prices ,because knows russia economy depends a lot on it.. and can easily attack Russia interest because US have more business power ,business leadership ,than Russia.. why on earth invest 2 billions in iraq oil industry ,when the entire business
    can be shut down with an american cruise missile ? or an alqaeda drone attack ? Putin is like a cancer for
    russia development.. he creates the perfect conditions , for the west to attack Russia . he develops russia
    economy the most lamest and lazy way possible.. ie.. gas station ,tourism and sports.. and later the imbecile
    don't understand why nobody listen russia.. and disrespect its interest.

    Russia is disrespected rejected nations by almost the entire world.. like iran ,venezuela and north korea
    will always follow rusia. but leading developed nations will follow US and their sanctions.. vast majority of times.

    Washington tells the world.. you either choose US or Russia for business.. and naturally most of the world who wants development will choose US.. even china trade more ,with US ,than with Russia.. Putin short sighted development of Russia economy is the reason ,Russia is the most disrespected country in the world. They know they need to stop Russia ,because have a high potential ,to one day with another leadership ,discover the mistakes of Putin administration and how his backwards development
    of russia economy system and correct them..  Soft power , post industrial business power ,is what can end US global ambitions of a global goverment.. and only China is fighting back ,with business that directly counters
    US high tech industry. Putin all he does is better nukes ,and weapons and hope that this will convince the west
    to become friends.. Rolling Eyes no idea how that moron ever got into politics in russia.. but knowing what was the alternative.. then you see ,he was the less bad option of all. he is a terrible leader.. and the only thing good about putin is his patriorism.. but this is not enough..a real strategy is needed for Russia to put an end of the dangerous economic war the west have in Russia.. that can only be stoped with a real military war.. or
    with business civilian leadership in things the world really love and likes ,but nobody have or almost no one. this is why russia nation future will depend on heavily on business leadership in space and high tech exports for consumer and business use , and not in gas stations or sports or museums tourism.








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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:50 am

    Because Vann, you are too much of a fucking retard to figure out that oil and gas constitutes to 6% of GDP as posted so many times.

    Mods, can you finally ban him for blatant trolling?
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    Post  Vann7 on Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:26 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Because Vann, you are too much of a fucking retard to figure out that oil and gas constitutes to 6% of GDP as posted so many times.

    Mods, can you finally ban him for blatant trolling?

    no is not..

    this have been proven when oil prices collapse ,russia economy collapse too...
    and even russian economy minister have said it.. i have seen all your bullshit evidence..
    and claims russian economy is dependent on services.. but don't explain what does services are..
    are services to energy industry ,services can be police , security..  services that are highly dependent
    on energy market.. if the oil goes down.. the russian economy exponentially goes down.. this is totally
    different to american economy.. when oil was at lowest $30 it was the time the american dollar was
    the strongest..  the american dollar even when is a fraud.. nations will continue supporting it ,no matter
    how much putin try to encourage nations to not use it.. the reason is simple US business are needed
    in the world . and so as long they have business leadership ,they dollar will be used and nations will want
    to trade with them.. all those charts neither mentions how much money putin invest in energy.. far more than in any other industry in russia.. russian debt is an energy debt. so to say that russia economy is not energy dependent is a lie.. this is why putin artificially work with saudi arabia to rise the prices of oil... by holding
    production.. because he have created the most lamest laziest economy in russia.. all dependent in energy sales and energy prices ,and energy related jobs.. those pipelines needs an army on people to support them..


    Using Russia own government numbers.. this is a report that shows how much dependent is russia economy
    on oil..

    Claim in 2018: “Russia relies heavily on energy exports for close to three-quarters of its export earnings and over half of its budget.”


    https://www.russiamatters.org/node/11300

    so russia energy exports produce more money ,that the mining ,weapon industry ,agriculture industry ,machinery industry and any other exports of russia .. , half of russian budget.. comes from russia energy industry .. whoahhhh!!!!!  
    if russia is not energy dependent .. then no idea what dependence means .. lol1
    Stop your bullshit propaganda.. already,..  even the Russian economic minister says it..
    that they want to end Russia economy heavy dependence on energy .. but they never do anything about it..

    Russian debts is almost all energy related.. those pipelines cost a lot of money to build ,to europe and china.
    so no only russia economy is heavily dependent on energy ,but russia investments too.. to convert russia
    from an energy dependent economy, to an energy vampire economy.. because now china too.. will be selling oil
    but will have to sell it incredible cheap with very little profits ,thanks to the american pressure. on oil prices.  Wink

    so is a failure strategy what putin is doing.. he bet all russia economic hopes in business that americans
    can very easily sabotage.. they invested billions in venezuela oil industry and now is sanctioned.. with the
    stroke of a pen.. trump vanished those billions russia invested in venezuela..  lol1

    perhaps www.rt.com is also lying ?

    https://www.rt.com/business/417135-putin-presidency-economic-growth-russia/


    While the Russian economy remains dominated by oil and gas revenues , its agriculture sector has boomed in recent years. Russian farmers produced their largest ever crop in the 2017 agricultural year, breaking the 40-year-old Soviet record, and harvesting more than 130 million tons.

    In 2016, Russia became the world’s leader in wheat exports. Since the early 2000s, the Russian share of the world wheat market has quadrupled, from four to 16 percent.

    Although agriculture still remains far behind the energy sector , it surpassed arms sales and became the country's second-largest export.


    So everyone lies , right?
    -The russian economic minister lies ,when he says russia economy is heavily dependt in energ?
    - the central bank also lies says the same..
    - rt.com also lies..  lol1

    the only ones not telling the true are the worst kind of fanboys in this forum.. No
    people that will say anything in order to get attention and support putin mistakes.

    americans will not be flooding the market with oil ,even at the expense of the own private energy industry ,
    if russia economy was not so heavily dependant in oil.. so leave the bullshit already.. russia is a gas station.
    with a debt based on investesment to this gas station.. a nation that half of its budget comes from energy industry qualify to me as a gas station.

    so keep telling your bullshit lies to yourselves but stop lying in this forum with your propaganda.
    if even the economic minister of russia says their country is heavily energy dependent is because it is.. period.
    and no amount of bullshit you claim or charts you interpret in your own way ,will change that.

    Putin strategy is a total mistake.. no amount of pipelines he build will help Russia to counter
    the economic siege ,the war US have in Russia economy.. US have endless way to sabotage nations
    energy business.. ask venezuela.. No just increase the pressure on germany and france and you will
    see in little time nordstream 2 cancelled ,hopefully that happens , so the moron finally give up on
    developing russia economy like a third world nation in africa do it.. with economies based on oil ,gas ,mining and agriculture.. real development nations long time ago , moved their economies from commodities bananas economy ,to digital modern economies , selling digital media content in the entire world, high tech and proffesional high tech services ..



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    Post  kvs on Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:50 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Because Vann, you are too much of a fucking retard to figure out that oil and gas constitutes to 6% of GDP as posted so many times.

    Mods, can you finally ban him for blatant trolling?

    no is not..

    this have been proven when oil prices collapse ,russia economy collapse too...
    and even russian economy minister have said it.. i have seen all your bullshit evidence..
    and claims russian economy is dependent on services.. but don't explain what does services are..
    are services to energy industry ,services can be police , security..  services that are highly dependent
    on energy market.. if the oil goes down.. the russian economy exponentially goes down.. this is totally
    different to american economy.. when oil was at lowest $30 it was the time the american dollar was
    the strongest..  the american dollar even when is a fraud.. nations will continue supporting it ,no matter
    how much putin try to encourage nations to not use it.. the reason is simple US business are needed
    in the world . and so as long they have business leadership ,they dollar will be used and nations will want
    to trade with them.. all those charts neither mentions how much money putin invest in energy.. far more than in any other industry in russia.. russian debt is an energy debt. so to say that russia economy is not energy dependent is a lie.. this is why putin artificially work with saudi arabia to rise the prices of oil... by holding
    production.. because he have created the most lamest laziest economy in russia.. all dependent in energy sales and energy prices ,and energy related jobs.. those pipelines needs an army on people to support them..

    Exchange rates are set by currency speculators and not objective reality.   So your wind-baggery is utterly worthless.


    Using Russia own government numbers.. this is a report that shows how much dependent is russia economy
    on oil..

    Claim in 2018: “Russia relies heavily on energy exports for close to three-quarters of its export earnings and over half of its budget.”


    https://www.russiamatters.org/node/11300

    So some website claims this and that.  Proves f*ck all.  

    http://www.worldstopexports.com/russias-top-10-exports/

    If you bothered to exert yourself you would find many other such links that show that oil and gas account for less than 55%
    of Russia's total exports.   So your 75% number is BULLSHIT.

    Also, sunshine, Russia's GDP is not 100% dependent on exports.   If it was 100% dependent on exports then it would total
    $416 billion US.   But at nominal exchange rates the 2019 GDP was $1.7 trillion US.  So the nominal dependence of Russia's
    GDP on exports as of 2019 was 24.4%.   But using nominal numbers is misleading since parts of Russia's GDP that are internal
    to Russia (i.e. over 75% of the total GDP) are not going to show much dependence on trade prices.   That is why Russia's
    PPP GDP in 2019 was over $4.2 tillion US.




    half of russian budget.. comes from russia energy exports.. whoahhhh!!!!!  
    if russia is not energy dependent .. then no idea what dependence means.. lol1
    Stop your bullshit propaganda.. already,..  even the Russian economic minister says it..
    that they want to end Russia economy heavy dependence on energy .. but they never do anything about it..

    You are repeating a number without citing any recent sources.   In other words engaging in hearsay.   In
    2018 the federal core budget was 34% dependent on oil and gas tariffs.   The consolidated federal budget
    (i.e. the total) was 17% dependent on oil and gas export tariffs.    And, sunshine, since when is such a
    fraction an indicator of anything?  Instead of raping Russian taxpayers, the Russian federal government
    extracts taxes from resources exports.   This allows Russia to have a flat 13% income tax.   While in
    NATzO citizens need to spread their butt-cheeks for "progressive" taxation and in the case of Canada
    middle class citizens pay about 50% of their incomes in all sorts of taxes (mostly federal and provincial).
    Federal income taxes are over 30% and after the provinces take their "share" about 40% of the income
    is gone.   In the EU the ass-rape is stronger and harder.   Enjoy it sucker.


    Russian debts is almost all energy related..

    Give some citations, fool.  You are just claiming that Russia's GDP is 100% oil and gas.  Seriously, bugger
    off troll.


    those pipelines cost a lot of money to build ,to europe and china.

    And Gazprom made:

    https://www.gazprom-neft.com/press-center/news/gazprom_neft_increases_net_profit_by_7_in_9m_2019/

    In the first 9 months of 2019 Gazprom raked in about $300 billion US and saw a nice profit.   Obviously those
    pipelines to China and Nord Stream II are not the problem you make them out to be.


    so no only russia economy is heavily dependent on energy ,but russia investments too.. to convert russia
    from an energy dependent economy, to an energy vampire economy.. because now china too.. will be selling oil
    but will have to sell it incredible cheap with very little profits ,thanks to the american pressure. on oil prices.  Wink

    BS conclusions based on BS claims.


    so is a failure strategy what putin is doing.. he bet all russia hopes in a business americans can very easily
    sabotage..

    Retard yanquis can only engage in petty blackmail in the face of Putin's policies and Putin is using this feeble reaction from
    the self-anointed guiding light of humanity to make it screw itself.   Poetic.


    perhaps www.rt.com is also lying ?

    https://www.rt.com/business/417135-putin-presidency-economic-growth-russia/


    While the Russian economy remains dominated by oil and gas revenues , its agriculture sector has boomed in recent years. Russian farmers produced their largest ever crop in the 2017 agricultural year, breaking the 40-year-old Soviet record, and harvesting more than 130 million tons.

    In 2016, Russia became the world’s leader in wheat exports. Since the early 2000s, the Russian share of the world wheat market has quadrupled, from four to 16 percent.

    Although agriculture still remains far behind the energy sector , it surpassed arms sales and became the country's second-largest export.


    RT is like Sputnik which is like the previous RIAN.  The English service is full of 5th column maggots who use western tropes and language
    in their reporting.   For example RIAN routinely called the Russian opposition parties "pro-Kremlin" taking propaganda language straight
    from the NATzO MSM.   Sputnik kept doing the same, including repeating the oil and gas trope.   These journalist 5th columnists are deliberately
    confusing the 50% dependence of Russia's exports on oil and gas to paint this as being a 50% dependence by Russia's GDP.   In other words,
    just like you they are insinuating that 100% of Russia's GDP depends on its exports which is manifestly untrue.


    So everyone lies , right?
    -The russian economic minister lies ,when he says russia economy is heavily dependt in energ?
    - the central bank also lies says the same..
    - rt.com also lies..  lol1

    No, moron, RT and Sputnik are staffed by English speaking shysters who are spreading obvious BS and who should be fired.
    Their drivel proves nothing.


    the only ones not telling the true are the worst kind of fanboys in this forum.. No
    people that will say anything in order to get attention and support putin mistakes.

    Your drivel is very easy to refute.   Bugger off, troll.


    americans will not be flooding the market with oil ,even at the expense of the own private energy industry ,
    if russia economy was not so heavily dependant in oil.. so leave the bullshit already.. russia is a gas station.
    with a debt based on investesment to this gas station.. a nation that half of its budget comes from energy industry qualify to me as a gas station.

    America keeps importing 8 million barrels per day of oil.  So they are not in the position to flood anything other
    than their underwear with urine at the fear of Russia's rise.

    https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_ep00_im0_mbblpd_m.htm

    And America imports massive amounts (82 billion cubic meters) of natural gas from Canada:

    https://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/NG_MOVE_IMPC_S1_A.htm



    so keep telling your bullshit lies to yourselves but stop lying in this forum with your propaganda.
    if the economic minister of russia says their country is heavily energy dependent is because it is..
    and no ammount of bullshit you claim or charts you interpret in your own way ,will change that.

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    Post  Vann7 on Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:52 am

    Russian Finance Minister Anton Siluanov told on interview...
    in October 2019..

    quote..



    Russian economy undoubtedly to a Large extend is link to energy production and energy refining.. [/u] [/i]


    https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/10/19/russia-can-withstand-a-sharp-drop-in-oil-prices-finance-minister-says.html

    so even the russian economy minister is lying lol1
    and the bullshit propaganda in this forums is the real truthhhh . Laughing

    so keep telling spreading bullshit liars ,but you are not fooling anyone . No No No



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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:58 am

    Vann7 wrote:Russian Finance Minister  Anton Siluanov ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Siluanov

    Anton Germanovich Siluanov is a Russian politician and economist who is a former Minister of Finance of Russia...

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    PapaDragon wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:Russian Finance Minister  Anton Siluanov ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Siluanov

    Anton Germanovich Siluanov is a Russian politician and economist who is a former Minister of Finance of Russia...


    indeed.. and medvedev also resigned ,most of the government resigned..
    this does not invalidate what he told.. Russia economy is largely dependedent to russia energy,
    case closed.. That should be fucking obvious in 2014 ,as soon obama plan with saudi arabia
    to bring down oil prices , the russia economy goes in free fall.. and americans began to
    flood the market with fracking energy oil and gas.. this was what hurt more russia economy..
    not the sanctions ,but the fall of oil prices..  and what is new now ..is that putin is investing a lot
    in agriculture..and reducing the spending.. including in space funding. No   and that now the
    budget is estimated as if oil was at $40 and the bank raised interest rate to stabilize the ruble.
    again russia is a gas station focused economy.. it can build nice weapons and other things.. but
    the focus of russia economy is mostly in energy .. because putin is a lame duck with a low iq..
    and doesn't know what he is doing..

    this is why US is so desperate to capture and control the oil producers in the world..
    venezuela ,iraq and iran.. this is to flood the market with oil.. and collapse oil prices.. and this also
    affect natural oil prices too.. and this sink the russian economy.. American foreign policy is nothing more ,than the question ..how to break russia economy..and work on it.. Putin makes it very very easy for US to sabotage
    russia economy with his lazyness and inconpetence. If Russia have a high tech and space focused economy ,
    it will be near impossible to attack russia economy ,if Russia had business leadership in space and high tech..
    same way that is near impossible to stop huawei of china.. why? because it have business leadership.. and surpass anything that apple or any other competition what china business can do.. even UK will allow china
    high tech to enter its market.. this is china soft power in action.. how leadership in high tech allow nations to bypass american sanctions and blockade.. Trump told latin america to not do business with huawei and nobody listened.. even brazil ,uk and germany and france welcomed china business lead in communications and it ,to help them modernize their country .. Wink









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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:14 am

    Gotta love how Vann pulls shit outta his ass and doesnt use the mass between his ears to think. Then again I think there isn't anything there.  He keeps getting owned and still comes back with nonsense.

    You may lie Vann, but numbers don't.


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    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:16 am

    Saying Russia is bad because it makes money selling energy and has become energy dependent is a new low for you Vann.

    What do you expect Russia to do with all that oil and gas... just leave it in the ground and not make money so when the west finally overpowers them because they had no income being just a gas station and a gas station that doens't sell fuel quickly becomes a parking lot owned by the bankers, the west can then dig up all the oil and gas and for them to make money instead?

    Right now Russia has oil and gas reserves they would be fucking stupid not to sell it because they could possibly be accused of relying too much on oil and gas sales for their business model.

    Food exports by Russia are massively up from just 15 years ago, domestic production of all sorts of commodities is up too and with the western sanctions a lot more of their production is going to domestic needs too, which is very good for Russia because it means Russians are supplying their own demand instead of foreign workers earning that income... lots of foreign companys realise cheap skilled labour in Russia is a cheaper alternative to domestic production... all sorts of stuff is now made in Russia that was not before... but it is all Putins fault... is he your daddy?

    You remind me of US media... everything is Trumps fault... even the shit that isn't, he gets the blame... guess it is just easier to complain and criticise... the west are experts at that... even at their own cost... the Australian leadership can't visit China without complaining about Tibet and other shit, but no mention of Guantanimo when they visit the US... no mention of their own treatment of various groups either...
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    Post  Austin on Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:30 am

    Good Details here

    Rosneft tells Putin its new Arctic project will be biggest in global oil

    https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/2020/02/rosneft-tells-putin-its-new-arctic-project-will-be-biggest-global-oil
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    Austin wrote:Good Details here

    Rosneft tells Putin its new Arctic project will be biggest in global oil

    https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/2020/02/rosneft-tells-putin-its-new-arctic-project-will-be-biggest-global-oil

    Sounds like stories of Russia's oil production peaking and quickly declining are grossly exaggerated.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:48 am

    Putin is not perfect and of course he can and will make mistakes but if he was the idiot Vann claims him to be how did he stay in power for so long, why is Russia so much better off now than it was when he first came to power and most importantly... why does the US and UK and EU hate him so much if he is so stupid and incompetent?
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    Post  kvs on Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:47 am

    GarryB wrote:Putin is not perfect and of course he can and will make mistakes but if he was the idiot Vann claims him to be how did he stay in power for so long, why is Russia so much better off now than it was when he first came to power and most importantly... why does the US and UK and EU hate him so much if he is so stupid and incompetent?

    Naturally you right, the west would be singing Putin's praises if he was a loser like Yeltsin. That Putin is the greatest Russian leader probably in its
    whole history (Alexander Nevsky, etc., lived in simpler times) is what drives the NATzO west mad. Putin is destroy the west's agenda to rule
    the world. People really do not appreciate the historical impact of the schism between the west and China. China, Russia and several orbiting
    states have basically split the world in half. The west can no longer claim primacy like it did back in 1980 even if the USSR was still around.
    It is clear that Putin is a smart leader who thinks strategically and thus planting the base for long term Russian growth. He is not some tail
    chasing loser who serves as a sock puppet for the real power in the country like is the norm for the USA.

    Idiots can pour scorn on Putin round the clock. They achieve f*ck all.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:12 pm



    The recent decision by RZD (Russian railways) to buy Elbrus based computers has been overturned by the federal
    anti-monopoly agency due to complaints by foreign computer makers.

    What a F*CKING joke!

    Thanks to Yeltsin the Traitor, Russia's constitution elevates foreign laws and treaties to primacy over domestic
    Russian laws. That's right, I couldn't make this sh*t up. Even though the USA routinely flouts WTO rules,
    it gets away with it, but Russia must play by these US-created rules. To the detriment of its own economy
    and interests.

    Now we see the value of Putin's recent decision to change the constitution to put Russian law above all other
    laws inside Russia. This is necessary for RZD to buy Elbrus based computers and support domestic technology
    and industry.

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    kvs wrote:

    The recent decision by RZD (Russian railways) to buy Elbrus based computers has been overturned by the federal
    anti-monopoly agency due to complaints by foreign computer makers.

    What a F*CKING joke!

    Thanks to Yeltsin the Traitor, Russia's constitution elevates foreign laws and treaties to primacy over domestic
    Russian laws.   That's right, I couldn't make this sh*t up.   Even though the USA routinely flouts WTO rules,
    it gets away with it, but Russia must play by these US-created rules.    To the detriment of its own economy
    and interests.

    Now we see the value of Putin's recent decision to change the constitution to put Russian law above all other
    laws inside Russia.   This is necessary for RZD to buy Elbrus based computers and support domestic technology
    and industry.  

    It's amazing that they strike at Elbrus for "anti-monopoly", but Microsoft can monopolize everything and they'd probably be okay with it.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:40 pm

    Exceptional America gets to flout the rules.   I am also suspecting yet more sabotage at the anti-monopoly service.   Since when
    do WTO rules control purchasing by corporations?   If I want to buy HP instead of Dell servers do I get a legal case opened against
    me?   Do I really have to give every freaking competitor a "chance".

    If I were the management of RZD I would stage the three bidder farce selection process and choose Elbrus because I want
    a functional VLIW computer system.   The rest can take their x86 crap and shove it.   The anti-monopoly service is swimming
    outside its jurisdiction.   One can treat x86 as a monopoly architecture that is crowding out all the other CPU architectures.
    The job of the anti-monopoly service is to control abuse by actual monopolies and MCST is far from some market dominating
    player.   Thus, there is indeed foul play at the anti-monopoly service.

    Putin needs to play up to his reputation as the micro-managing boss of Russia and tell the anti-monopoly service to take a hike.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:16 pm

    I wonder if anyone will bother to counter the claims? It should be asked how it was unfair cause Elbrus does not have a monopoly in anything?
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:55 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:I wonder if anyone will bother to counter the claims?  It should be asked how it was unfair cause Elbrus does not have a monopoly in anything?
    It reeks of the same nonsense that the Illuyshin had to deal with back in the 90s, where Boeing pressured Boarass Weltsin in to killing a commercial airliner competitor from them.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:59 am

    kvs wrote:
    Putin needs to play up to his reputation as the micro-managing boss of Russia and tell the anti-monopoly service to take a hike.
    totally agree


    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:I wonder if anyone will bother to counter the claims?  It should be asked how it was unfair cause Elbrus does not have a monopoly in anything?
    It reeks of the same nonsense that the Illuyshin had to deal with back in the 90s, where Boeing pressured Boarass Weltsin in to killing a commercial airliner competitor from them.

    Exactly, the new constitution reforms will be more than welcome in this case... anyway, i believe that the president and the prime minister can have a look at this and avoid stupid mistakes damaging for their country
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    Post  Hole on Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:04 am

    Under WTO rules a company can not simply decide to give a huge contract to another company, there has to be a tender. To circumvent this RZD has to simply put out a tender for new computers and afterwards declare Elbrus the winner.
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    Post  kvs on Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:58 pm

    Hole wrote:Under WTO rules a company can not simply decide to give a huge contract to another company, there has to be a tender. To circumvent this RZD has to simply put out a tender for new computers and afterwards declare Elbrus the winner.

    WTO rules are an Orwellian farce. For example, Canada banned MMT the neurotoxic manganese based additive to increase gasoline
    octane (after lead was removed from the market for being toxic). A US company that peddled MMTO sued
    the Canadian government for breach of the free trade rules.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylcyclopentadienyl_manganese_tricarbonyl

    https://www.international.gc.ca/trade-agreements-accords-commerciaux/topics-domaines/disp-diff/ethyl.aspx?lang=eng

    So free trade agreements are a freak show that put public health under attack because some poison peddler may lose their business.

    Next step is to protect the rights of drug dealers, pimps and gangsters. After all, business is business.



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    Post  GarryB on Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:07 am

    Under WTO rules a company can not simply decide to give a huge contract to another company, there has to be a tender. To circumvent this RZD has to simply put out a tender for new computers and afterwards declare Elbrus the winner.

    Stipulate no back doors and western companies would not even be able to enter...
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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:36 am

    Pretty much. Tailor the demand to meet specific targets that can't be met by the competitor.

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