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    Post  Vann7 on Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:16 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    New bill passed , by US senate called "Sanctions from hell" .
    that seek sanctions on Russian banks and Russian energy industry..

    Clearly they understand the situation about as well as you do Vann... sanctions blocking trade between Russia and the US are good for Russia, because it forces them to look for new markets and new customers... it also means US investors can't make money in the Russian economy and there is lots of money to be made there... otherwise they wouldn't need sanctions to stop US investors investing in that market.

    The pathetic thing is that they probably think these investors investing in Russia are unpatriotic and that these sanctions will force them to invest in the US economy to help boost it, but the US economy doesn't make anything... it is a financial economy, and right now there is not much money that can be made, so of course with these sanctions rich US investors will be forced to not invest in Russia... so they will invest in another country with growth... which will be both good and bad for that country... they don't invest for charity... they want a good return...


    I only see Russia progress as LEADERSHIP in the world development .  How much Russia LEAD in the world..
    from google dictionary what LEAD means..

    Lead = the initiative in an action; an example for others to follow.

    I don't see Russia progress as most in the topic see it, an numbers only thing.. or as Banks progress..
    or as GDP progress or as how much money Russia have ,or as how tourism or olympic medals russia make..
    I don't see progress and Interest rate thing.. like i said.. i only see Russia progress should be measure as
    How much Influence Russia have over the most influential ,most popular nations for the things it produce. .  

    Because the world is not run by Robots..  at least not yet..  and nations leaders and its society
    can be INFLUENCED.. Then the possibility to influence other nations is always present..
    I only measure Russia success as its ability to influence most influential countries in world development..

    Because Russian culture ends at Russian borders..consequence of Putin misguided development of Russia
    of looking to the past to worship past glories ,instead of re-inventing Russia in a new way and look to the
    present and future.

    So for me Russia success is how much influence  Russia earns from the young generations of its society..
    and from world leading business nations.. And the ONLY thing Russia have that earns some respect in the world , aside of weapons is Russia space industry that is a continuation of Soviet Space industry but at a far slower pace.

    So Putin is doing something wrong if the only thing he does to Change the world is sit down and wait the
    west to change.. He needs to INFLUENCE those changes first.. by Changing Russia into a much more attractive
    NATION.. he need to get rid of his attachment to the past , screw it.. just leave the past to museums and move
    forward. create a new version of Russia without Orthodox stupid Church.. Russia new religion should be Space exploration and space leadership.. and a education revolution needs to be done .

    So as it is now under Putin , Russia only influence Europe ,because Europa lacks of energy and Russia have plenty. thats it.. For everything else Europe can just rely on Americans to supply them..

    So Russian enemies takes advantage of Russia outdated culture ,outdated influence with better business..
    Fortunately China is doing the things ,Russia should be doing but don't do ..and that is leave behind the past
    and re-shape its economy for the future.  Now China is the one that builds manufacturing high tech plants in Europe and not US. They will build a Huawei manufacturing Plant in Germany..  

    So what manufacturing plant Putin will build in Germany..  ?

    one of Matryoshka Wooden dolls?   lol1

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    Even Obama , dedicated an entire discourse about how Obsolete is as a nation in influence...
    What does Russia make he told?  and he was right.. Russia does not have a leading industry to export
    anything that could grab the attention of society in developed countries.. and Putin is 100% to blame for this.
    because since he came to power ,his ONLY strategy was to invest heavily a fortune in transforming Russia
    in a Gas station.. completely ignoring US was dominating in world development ,with its business and culture.
    and this Putin retarded policy , is what allowed US to consolidate so much power in the world ,so much influence.. not only lead in Banks ,but also lead in High tech ,leads with is MODERN CULTURE and in Space exploration..  

    It is Putin himself who have told ,he is not interested in Russia leading the world.   No
    That they only want US to leave Russia alone... Rolling Eyes
    Unfortunately for the Moron , no mater how polite he is ,the west will NEVER stop attacking Russia.. since they
    have NOTHING to lose..no consequences for slapping sanctions on Russia.. why? because Russia contrary to China don't compete with American leading very influential with society business.. because Russia depends on American system ,American banks , American internet,American computers and even American entertainment dominates in Russia , then the west will continue abusing of its influence ,and use it as a weapon against Russia development..  Putin bitch all the time , the west is unfair .. but the moron DOES NOTHING to change the system and turn Russia into a real competition (for influence) to US major business in the world as China is doing..

    if by leadership means influence.. the ability to lead others to follow you..
    Then Putin is a bad leader and you can't fix this.. he belongs to soviet era mentality and he could do a big favor if he resigns ,and perhaps ,do what Russia empire did , that when there was no talent in Russia to leave the nation ,get a foreigner to lead instead.. Any good leader in Russia will have long time ago disbanded NATO ,through changing Russia dramatically , into an unrecognizable way of how it is today , into a very space and high tech and entertainment focused nation.. and privatize its energy industry to European friendly nations or sell it to China.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:53 pm

    Vann7 wrote:.....I only see Russia progress as LEADERSHIP ............

    .....and in Space exploration....

    .....into a very space ......


    Yup, clown never fails to disappoint lol1


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    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 21, 2019 4:58 am

    I only see Russia progress as LEADERSHIP in the world development . How much Russia LEAD in the world..
    from google dictionary what LEAD means..

    Lead = the initiative in an action; an example for others to follow.

    Vann, there are several ways you can lead... one is to bark orders and have those that do not follow your orders or even if they do and things don't work out the way you wanted them to you have them arrested or punished/sanctioned etc etc.

    You can also lead by example... not telling others what to do, but not doing as you are told by countries who have no business telling you what to do in the first place.

    Russia does not want to become a replacement for the US, or the west, they don't want to tell the various countries of the world what to do, there are no dreams of becoming the worlds policeman or head lynch mob...

    Russia can resist pressure from the west to conform to western norms and just do what it thinks is right and to trade with other countries who wanted to do the same but couldn't before because there was no alternative... either do as the west demands or suffer on your own... well now they wont suffer because they wont be alone there are new options for them.... created by Russia and Iran and Turkey and China and Venezuela saying fuck you to the US and the west.... a group that will only get bigger as countries realise the western dream is for the west and even then only a very small percentage of the western population and everyone else has to pay for that.

    And can you be younger and more naive... why would Russia build factories in Germany?

    There are three main reasons to build factories in other countries... first because that is where the skilled labour force is located for that task, second because that country is poor so labour is much cheaper than would be for a similar factory in Russia, and third because the products main market is in that country so by making the product there you don't need to worry about import tariffs or sanctions... none of which really apply in this case. The west made China an economic power house by building their newest factories in the country to take advantage of the cheap labour and complete lack of labour laws, but the Chinese are smart and when Nike built a factory to make shoes with one 8 hour shift, the manager hired two more 8 hour shifts and during the 16 hours a day when they are not making Nike boots for $500 dollars a pair... they can make Nuke books for $50 dollars a pair and sell them in huge numbers in places where nobody knows what Nikes are anyway... Both boots probably cost $15 to make so he is still making a huge profit, but when he makes boots for Nike they probably pay him $20 profit for each pair of boots he makes so even at 10% retail price he still makes more money on the knockoffs he makes.

    But now he has the factory after 5 years he has made enough money to buy the factory himself and he has the designs and tools and workers and he can make any designs he wants... they probably want to build a new factory anyway in a poorer area where they can halve the wages they need to pay...

    Putin should not be building factories in the west... he should be building factories in Russia because being able to make things and having your own people earn money making stuff is much more important that ripping industry out of your economy like the west has done to itself by subcontracting production to the third world. When the US dollar is not worth anything they will have nothing and no way to produce what they need... building factories for them is helping them rather more than it is helping Russia... and you can bet your ass you wont get any credit for helping them either...

    Fuckem.

    Europe produces more than America produces... both have moved production offshore but big US business like Amazon and Google and Microsoft don't pay tax and prefer to hire cheap foreign labour to keep their costs down and their profits up... as I say... when the emperor with no clothes realises he is naked no one will accept his dollar so how is he going to feed himself... and with big walls to mexico then those fruit pickers wont be picking fruit or veges and they refuse to do it themselves because it is beneath them...

    Russia is as much obliged to help the west as the west helped itself during the 1990s to the resources and wealth of the Soviet Union... which is not at all.
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    Post  Vann7 on Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:14 pm

    "Leading  by example" by showing good morals , will not stop the west war on Russia.. This is the fucking Point
    you just choose to ignore.. either for trolling or plain ignorance.  The west is at war with Russia dude..
    and Russia is supposed to FIGHT BACK .. what part of Russia needs to fight back you don't understand ?

    and Putin do NOTHING...neither fight US with their military , neither fight with Business..
    All that Putin do is complain how unfair is the west... bla bla bla.. and how immoral is.. Rolling Eyes

    How is that Putin dedolarization of Russia going ? did it break US economy?  lol1

    US will never be stopped ,until their military and / or their influence (business leadership) defeated first.
    They have a system in place , and because their business overwhelming superior than Russia business..
    then the world will always choose US over Russia.

    Only China is Fighting American leadership in the world with its high tech industry..
    China leading High tech business damage US economy a million times more.. than Putin's BRICS and dedolarization or anything Putin have done..  Building a powerful army will not be enough ,specially when they are not used.. Only defeating US most important business , is what will damage US influence in the world..
    and what will weaken the US empire.. if other nations innovative business capture more the attention than US companies..  Already Apple is third in sales.. when they used to be first one.. And Chinese 5G deployment will damage seriously US IT business in the world.. and their ability to spy also in other nations..  Only China fight
    US system.. all Putin does is promote resistance ,but nothing else.. allow them to continue punching his face..
    With sanctions and more sanctions... Putin vision is a world were no Russian citizen can be safe outside
    Russia border.. and where Russia only takes slap in the face all the time and don't figh back.. already Greece and Italy will be deporting Russians to US , under US pressure ..  obviously a slap on the face on Russia.  This is the world Putin and his fanboys likes.. one where Russia is the laughing stock of the world ,their soldiers and bases bombed by US drones.. their pilots and spy planes shot down , and NATO raining hundreds of cruise missiles over Russian soldiers heads.. bombing Russia ally.. So that later Putin can write a list of condolence for their families.. Just yesterday , a terror attack happened right on Putin noses , when he was praising his FSB officers , there was terrorist killing FSB right in the heart of Moscow.. a clear  embarrassment for Russia. So what kind of joke is Putin ?  Being a coward ,an inept , radically stupid and polite and weak and insecure as Putin is ,a guarantee that the west will continue attacking Russia and with total impunity..

    he is so bad.. that even the public have questioned him ,why he is so polite..
    (translation.. they asked him why he is so weak)
    and his "genius" answer is that when relations are bad .. he need to be that way to not escalate things.. lol1
    Im sure IRAN will had a big laugh at that.. They shot down US drones over its airspace and no longer US violate their airspace. you can't be polite with Bullies .. that only encourage them to continue attacking you more ,
    when they see weakness.. they will be sure as hell to take advantage of weak people as Putin is ,incredibly weak , and the much worse part is not his weakness.. but his lack of strategy to counter US.. other than wait for a new leader to show up , in America that will want  to restore relations with Russia..

    Putin is so full of shit.. that look what he told .. when asked why he is so polite ( so weak).



    Why is Putin So Polite? Harmony and High Culture to Blame For President’s Legendary Tolerance!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5tFrBT-3mU&feature=emb_logo

    He even spoke how Russian museums inspire him to be polite..   lol1
    Shows how full of shit he is.. a complete moron in dealing with Bullies..
    And the bigger problem is not Putin Weakness , but his lack of real strategy ,and incompetence to fight back
    the west ,is very dangerous for Russia.. and for the world too.. since  encourage Russia
    enemies to continue and increase their hostilities economic war or proxy military wars ,because they know Putin is weak and will do nothing.. as long the attack is done by proxy or directly but claimed to be "not against them " but some terrorist near their positions as Israel does all the time.. lol1

    So US knows that to hurt Russia all they need to do is continue the pressure on Russia economy and continue
    creating  Syrian like conflicts ,that will force Russia to interfere.. So Serbia ,Tranistria  , Venezuela , nicaragua,
    US can continue targeting Russia allies ,forcing Russia military to be in many parts of the world..and the cost
    that will cause in Russia budget , will sink their economy in ruins.. all for Putin incompetence not knowing
    how to fight back its adversaries.. with business .. as china is doing.
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    Post  Viktor on Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:19 pm

    US leadership can fume from anger as long as it wants and its actions without direct confrontation with Russia can not hurt its rise.

    Russia needs time to develop and US actions your judgment perceives as action required are only limited success and time and are much less damaging than

    submitting Russia to an all out hostilities with the US and as time passes because of it even US closes allies are starting to see that the correct narrative is not that Russia is the threat

    but instead that they are being played into submission by the US so even there time works in Russia favor. So the correct judgment for Russia would be to continue its cautious advance

    in developing economy, army, technology etc. I see no reason for panic.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 22, 2019 4:04 am

    "Leading  by example" by showing good morals , will not stop the west war on Russia.. This is the fucking Point
    you just choose to ignore.. either for trolling or plain ignorance.  The west is at war with Russia dude..
    and Russia is supposed to FIGHT BACK .. what part of Russia needs to fight back you don't understand ?

    The west is not fighting Russia it is fighting its own inevidible decline... it is up to its neck in quicksand and it is thrashing about at anyone and anything to try to save itself, but it is only making its own situation worse and hastening its own demise.

    These sanctions are not attacks... they are the US separating itself economically and politically from Russia... Russia is growing and developing... cutting ties with the blood suckers in the west is a GOOD thing for Russia... economic and political ties with the US would lead to suggestions and demands that they open their market to free enterprise... because that means very very rich Americans can use their printed monopoly money to buy up anything of value in Russia and effectively steal it... they can offer you anything you like for land or mineral wealth or technology they will then use against you... and their paper money is a house of cards that is massively over valued... it is like art... get ten well known experts to say some piece of crap some 5 year old would be embarrassed to admit to drawing and all of a sudden people with money who know nothing about art will pay you thousands of dollars for it... it is just a big confidence trick... a con.


    and Putin do NOTHING...neither fight US with their military , neither fight with Business..
    All that Putin do is complain how unfair is the west... bla bla bla.. and how immoral is..

    Really?

    I think many of his responses have been brilliant and great news for Russia.

    But first of all what sort of result would you expect with Russians fighting the American military?

    But when the EU banned things from Russia... thinking they can make Russia squirm because Russia doesn't make anything... they don't even grow their own food... they just buy ours and we make a lot of money selling them food, it backfired on them big time because a lot of European companies lost a lot of money and new contracts to new Russian companies... often companies they were cooperating with. Seimens was working with Russia, but now Russia makes its own gas turbines... Russia banned food imports from EU countries that hit many EU countries very very hard. A lot of them repackaged their products to pretend they came from Africa or Asia, but most of it was stopped and russian companies were able to fill the gap... now they export food... who knew that cutting off cheap food would allow agriculture to develop to the point of becoming competitive and able to stand on its own... thankyou western sanctions because with WTO rules there is no way the Russian government could have subsidised its own agriculture industry to compete with the EU to the point where they could become competitive let alone net exporters of food...

    How is that Putin dedolarization of Russia going ? did it break US economy?

    Get your head out of CNNs ass, it was never the intention of Putin to break the US, Russia does not want to destroy the US... it just wants the US to leave them alone and stop interfering. Dedollarisation is about making Russia more US Sanction proof and that is exactly what is happening and if you paid attention and looked around a lot more countries are doing this now too... the US use of their dollar as a weapon has not only reduced its effect as a weapon but also greatly weakened their economy which largely relies on the US dollar as being the stable international trade standard currency... when it isn't America is going to have to work for a living...

    US will never be stopped ,until their military and / or their influence (business leadership) defeated first.

    They are doing a great job of isolating themselves and dividing themselves, Russia just needs to protect herself and make sure she can make everything she needs... food... check.... energy... both nuclear and fossil... check check... those two commodities are critical and can be traded for anything... you can't eat gold or american dollar notes...

    They have a system in place , and because their business overwhelming superior than Russia business..
    then the world will always choose US over Russia.

    If they were the best why would they need sanctions... just open free trade with anyone would be their agenda because their superior skills would allow them to dominate all markets, but the fact is the only areas they excel at are bragging and lying and stealing and killing.

    China leading High tech business damage US economy a million times more.. than Putin's BRICS and dedolarization or anything Putin have done..  

    Remind me again what the C in BRICS stands for? BRICS is just one thing amongst many others including Russian support that allows China to oppose the US, but even they don't want an open conflict... it is the US that feeds on war... China and Russia have both experienced real war and have no taste for it... the British and Germans and French obviously enjoyed WWII and were not effected by it enough to avoid it in future if possible.

    and what will weaken the US empire.. if other nations innovative business capture more the attention than US companies..

    They are doing it themselves... these so called american companies are based where the tax rates are lowest... I am actually rather surprised they don't move to Russia... if they had to pay fair tax rates where ever they are based I suspect many would move to Russia and its flat tax rate, but the fact is that in the US, they can spend a billion or two to hire the best accountants so they don't have to pay the 20 billion dollars a year tax they should be paying and instead pay nothing... it is how things work in the west... the rich get richer and don't pay their fair share...

    And Chinese 5G deployment will damage seriously US IT business in the world.. and their ability to spy also in other nations..  Only China fight
    US system.. all Putin does is promote resistance ,but nothing else.. allow them to continue punching his face..

    You are very selective... Is the new Chinese fleet going to set sail to the US to free that lady CEO of Huawei the Canadians kidnapped for the Americans?

    Perhaps they should set up a Hollywood equivalent and that could be the basis of a Chinese Pirates of the carribean movie ripoff...

    With sanctions and more sanctions... Putin vision is a world were no Russian citizen can be safe outside
    Russia border..

    When your enemy is making a fundamental mistake... don't interrupt them... Sanctions means separation of Russia from the sinking ship... if a Russian wants to go to Syria or to the US they know the risks and they can take their chances...

    and where Russia only takes slap in the face all the time and don't figh back.. already Greece and Italy will be deporting Russians to US , under US pressure ..  obviously a slap on the face on Russia.

    We really don't know what Putin will do in response if they follow through and deport, I trust him to use good judgement and take sensible steps.

    This is the world Putin and his fanboys likes.. one where Russia is the laughing stock of the world ,their soldiers and bases bombed by US drones.. their pilots and spy planes shot down , and NATO raining hundreds of cruise missiles over Russian soldiers heads.. bombing Russia ally..

    Well the strange thing is that US supplied drones seem to be under control and Russian bases seem to have their measure... not sure what you mean about pilots, and no NATO cruise missiles injured a single Russian soldier... plenty were shot down however.

    Bombing a Russian ally... Syria who have probably killed or captured quite a few American and European Special forces too.

    Just yesterday , a terror attack happened right on Putin noses , when he was praising his FSB officers , there was terrorist killing FSB right in the heart of Moscow.. a clear  embarrassment for Russia. So what kind of joke is Putin ?  Being a coward ,an inept , radically stupid and polite and weak and insecure as Putin is ,a guarantee that the west will continue attacking Russia and with total impunity..

    Any censored  can go out with a rifle and kill people, the fact that you think that means anything about Putin or the FSB just shows your ignorance... that fucking moron is just another example of why the world needs Putins and FSB and law and order, but stupid cunts in the west see such things as opportunities to further their agendas... ban guns... ban dogs... ban international air travel... ban cars... ban volcanoes... ban mountain climbing, ban bicycles, ban homes because most accidents happen at home...

    he is so bad.. that even the public have questioned him ,why he is so polite..
    (translation.. they asked him why he is so weak)

    Would you prefer a moron like Boris Johnson or a clown like Trump, or the wicked witch of the west...Hilary Clinton?

    He has self control and common sense but you think it is a weakness?

    and his "genius" answer is that when relations are bad .. he need to be that way to not escalate things..

    Well isn't that the smartest thing to say and do?

    You would have to be a fucking moron to think war is the solution... America first claimed Iraqis were evil but then decided it was just Saddam and not the iraqi people because they thought if they got rid of saddam they could then control Iraq and make them do as they are told, but damn it... they don't seem interested in buying lots and lots of US weapons and helping them fight in Syria and Afghanistan... it is almost as if they don't realise that America won there... just like they don't understand why Russia wont do as it is told because it lost the cold war and we won so we get to say what is what and they should just obey us right?

    Im sure IRAN will had a big laugh at that.. They shot down US drones over its airspace and no longer US violate their airspace. you can't be polite with Bullies .. that only encourage them to continue attacking you more ,

    Russia shot down ISIS drones over Syria and US drones don't go anywhere near Russian airspace.

    when they see weakness.. they will be sure as hell to take advantage of weak people as Putin is ,incredibly weak , and the much worse part is not his weakness.. but his lack of strategy to counter US.. other than wait for a new leader to show up , in America that will want  to restore relations with Russia..

    Dude are you not paying attention?

    Russia got the Crimea back. They currently have forces in Syria helping stabilise that country and helping it return to normal after the US and west funded terrorists to try to destroy it. In Iraq there are protests against the US and the pro Shia majority would rather be friends with Iran than enemies... US actions in Syria and Iraq and Afghanistan and Yemen and Libya has strengthened Iran and Russian positions in those countries... everything the US has done has weakened their own position and made Iran more bold and more strong and more influential in the region... in desperation they had to rip up that treaty to prevent Iran becoming too powerful in the region...

    But you are whining about the weakness of putin... he would not be in a better position if he was aggressive, he would actually be in a much worse position... he started this millenium with an incredibly weak hand but enormous potential... aided by the fact that the people he was playing are shit at cards. The current card player thinks they are playing old maid when they are clearly playing poker.


    Putin is so full of shit.. that look what he told .. when asked why he is so polite ( so weak).

    You have been blinded by the Hollywood image of power.... taking a gun out and shooting unarmed people is the height of cowardice, but you probably see that as being strong. How pathetic.

    He even spoke how Russian museums inspire him to be polite..   lol1
    Shows how full of shit he is.. a complete moron in dealing with Bullies..

    Wow a white European that has culture and art and manners... that is unique and should be valued... but most white europeans use culture and art and manners to justify murder and rape and theft...

    And the bigger problem is not Putin Weakness , but his lack of real strategy ,and incompetence to fight back
    the west ,is very dangerous for Russia.. and for the world too.. since  encourage Russia
    enemies to continue and increase their hostilities economic war or proxy military wars ,because they know Putin is weak and will do nothing.. as long the attack is done by proxy or directly but claimed to be "not against them " but some terrorist near their positions as Israel does all the time..

    Putins strategy is to avoid direct military confrontation while Russia gets stronger and the west clearly getting weaker and more and more irrational... he has no intention of taking down the US, but he is not interested in saving either... if they want to cooperate that would be good, if they want to break up Russia and consume its resources, well they are going to resist that and fight you on it, but only reacting to your moves... not everyone in the US is an idiot and in the future someone with a brain and some balls might start fixing things... I doubt Putin could care either way we are talking about Americas survival as a nation... why would Russia care... they helped the americans in their war against the british but got no thanks for that, why risk russian lives to help such ungrateful assholes like that?

    So US knows that to hurt Russia all they need to do is continue the pressure on Russia economy and continue
    creating  Syrian like conflicts ,that will force Russia to interfere.. So Serbia ,Tranistria  , Venezuela , nicaragua,
    US can continue targeting Russia allies ,forcing Russia military to be in many parts of the world..and the cost
    that will cause in Russia budget , will sink their economy in ruins.. all for Putin incompetence not knowing
    how to fight back its adversaries.. with business .. as china is doing.

    Bullshit... the pressure they apply to Russia simply forces Russia to expand in other directions like towards China and towards Syria and Iran and Venezuela and all the other countries on the planet that want to trade but don't want the bullshit they get from western partners, like opening up their economies to be ass raped by Whatsapp or Facebook or Nike.

    The US using sanctions as a weapon is like a company using its trading power and contacts to hurt other companies to force them to trade on their terms... eventually other companies are going to look for an alternative source to what the US is supplying and if they can get it at the same or better quality but without the strings attached from China or Russia or India or Venezuela or Iran then why wouldn't they... these countries have no history of bullying trade partners... and if they start there are other options now too... and other options in a large part to Putin and China and Turkey and Iran and North Korea and Cuba and India saying no and it is going to happen more often... I am sure more Germans will be wondering why they listen to the US so much instead of their own interests... especially when in the case of Russian gas it is all about replacing Russia dependency with American dependency at a higher cost.

    US leadership can fume from anger as long as it wants and its actions without direct confrontation with Russia can not hurt its rise.

    The gradual application of western sanctions have both forced Russia to look elsewhere for trade, but also made them much more independent and strong... thanks you dumb censored ... keep those sanctions coming bitches. It is destroying the US economy and weakening the western powers, and cutting ties to Russia that could have dragged her under when you fucks finally sink.


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    Post  Viktor on Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:56 pm

    17% rise in gold production 2018-2019

    Russia Boosts Gold Production by Nearly 20 Percent as State’s Breakneck Bullion Buy-Up Continues
    https://sputniknews.com/business/201912221077724280-russia-boosts-gold-production-by-nearly-20-percent-as-states-breakneck-bullion-buy-up-continues/

    The Russian Central Bank’s gold bullion stockpile continued its record growth this year, climbing to well over 2,600 tonnes, as the country continues its push to steer its international reserves away from the dollar.

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    Post  Austin on Fri Dec 27, 2019 5:05 pm

    OPEC+ Deal Contributed Over $100Bln to Russian Budget Over Past 3 Years - Russian Energy Minister

    https://sputniknews.com/business/201912261077864413-opec-deal-contributed-over-100bln-to-russian-budget-over-past-3-years-russian-energy-minister/
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    Post  kvs on Sat Dec 28, 2019 4:12 pm

    Austin wrote:OPEC+ Deal Contributed Over $100Bln to Russian Budget Over Past 3 Years - Russian Energy Minister

    https://sputniknews.com/business/201912261077864413-opec-deal-contributed-over-100bln-to-russian-budget-over-past-3-years-russian-energy-minister/

    Clearly all the decisions being made by the Putin government (regime if you feel the compulsion) are stupid, inept and detrimental to the well being
    of Russians and Russia. Yeah....
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:08 am

    Well he does have that history of caving to the demands from London and Paris and Brussels and Washington and ignoring the needs and interests of Russians... or NOT.

    We should instead rely on international media to tell us what Russia should or should not be doing because they are free and fair and have Russias interests at heart... NOT.
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    Post  Austin on Mon Dec 30, 2019 8:24 am

    At the end of 2019, the Rosatom foreign orders portfolio will be $ 133-135 billion

    https://tass.ru/ekonomika/7446249
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    Post  kvs on Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:23 pm

    Austin wrote:At the end of 2019, the Rosatom foreign orders portfolio will be $ 133-135 billion

    https://tass.ru/ekonomika/7446249

    The evil tentacles of the Putin regime are strangling the world!

    Time for the US to impose sanctions in the name of freedom and democracy.

    Because fair competition is something that only applies when the US is getting all the business. attack
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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:50 pm

    Rosatom is more or less a direct competition to Rostec. Rosatom is now in every field. They produce green energy products (they make solar panels, windmills, etc) and are also in wood pellet business.
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    Post  Austin on Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:27 pm

    'Flow of global capital impossible to stop': Foreign investments in Russia expected to jump 70% this year despite sanctions

    https://www.rt.com/business/477107-russia-eu-investments-sanctions/

    European companies have been investing in the Russian economy in ever-increasing numbers, says Kirill Dmitriev, head of the Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF).
    According to Dmitriev, EU states played a significant role in driving overall foreign investment into Russia, which has also increased significantly during the year.

    "At the start of this year, I forecasted that foreign direct investments [FDI] to Russia would increase by over 50 percent [in 2019]; many raised questions about this figure​​​. Now we see that by the end of this year FDI will grow by around 70 percent. It is a very significant growth," Dmitriev told Sputnik news agency.

    The head of the national wealth fund pointed out that such growth in investment demonstrates that economic sanctions imposed on Russia in 2014 in the aftermath of the Ukrainian conflict are not having their intended effect.

    Dmitriev added that EU political leaders cannot prevent European companies from conducting mutually beneficial business.

    "Economic sanctions are an outdated instrument which contradicts the logic of the global economy’s development. Nevertheless, the global capital still needs opportunities for investment, and the flow of global capital is impossible to stop."

    The head of RDIF noted that economic sanctions were in fact having a negative impact on the European economy. "Countries of the European Union lost almost $240 billion because of sanctions and are de facto losing the Russian market."
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    Post  kvs on Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:00 pm

    Austin wrote:'Flow of global capital impossible to stop': Foreign investments in Russia expected to jump 70% this year despite sanctions

    https://www.rt.com/business/477107-russia-eu-investments-sanctions/

    European companies have been investing in the Russian economy in ever-increasing numbers, says Kirill Dmitriev, head of the Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF).
    According to Dmitriev, EU states played a significant role in driving overall foreign investment into Russia, which has also increased significantly during the year.

    "At the start of this year, I forecasted that foreign direct investments [FDI] to Russia would increase by over 50 percent [in 2019]; many raised questions about this figure​​​. Now we see that by the end of this year FDI will grow by around 70 percent. It is a very significant growth," Dmitriev told Sputnik news agency.

    The head of the national wealth fund pointed out that such growth in investment demonstrates that economic sanctions imposed on Russia in 2014 in the aftermath of the Ukrainian conflict are not having their intended effect.

    Dmitriev added that EU political leaders cannot prevent European companies from conducting mutually beneficial business.

    "Economic sanctions are an outdated instrument which contradicts the logic of the global economy’s development. Nevertheless, the global capital still needs opportunities for investment, and the flow of global capital is impossible to stop."

    The head of RDIF noted that economic sanctions were in fact having a negative impact on the European economy. "Countries of the European Union lost almost $240 billion because of sanctions and are de facto losing the Russian market."

    So we have serious FDI growth, this is not the same as foreign portfolio investment which can leave in hours. FDI is long term and involves business development inside Russia.

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    Post  Austin on Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:52 pm

    Yes this is very positive development for Russia.

    Digging into stastics the FDI for last year was 8.7 Billion USD and 70 % jump would be nearly $ 15 billion.

    This link has all data for FDI since 2007 https://knoema.com/atlas/Russian-Federation/topics/Economy/Balance-of-Payments-Capital-and-financial-account/Net-FDI-inflows

    If you add the numbers from 2007 to 2018 the total comes to $485 Billion USD a solid FDI investment wonder where was this close to half trillion USD got invested would it be mostly Oil and Gas ?
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    Post  kvs on Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:49 pm

    Austin wrote:Yes this is very positive development for Russia.

    Digging into stastics the FDI for last year was 8.7 Billion USD and 70 % jump would be nearly $ 15 billion.

    This link has all data for FDI since 2007 https://knoema.com/atlas/Russian-Federation/topics/Economy/Balance-of-Payments-Capital-and-financial-account/Net-FDI-inflows

    If you add the numbers from 2007 to 2018  the total comes to $485 Billion USD a solid FDI investment wonder where was this close to half trillion USD got invested would it be mostly Oil and Gas ?

    I doubt that it is oil and gas since the US sanctions have stopped most of such investment. There are other sectors where Russia has something to offer and
    a lot of the FDI is in the form of branch plants. There has been a trend over the last 10+ years to have branch plants instead of imports. This is especially
    clear with the auto and truck production, but it can apply to any sector.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:43 pm

    Oil and Gas FDI is barely existent now.  Maybe a small amount of it would be countries like China and India buying into Russian oil and gas fields, but the rest is non existent.  Many EU nations pulled out of the LNG plants in Russia simply because they will get a kick in the ass by US if they do.  So instead most FDI is coming from Asia and the like.  Only FDI from EU countries (still probably as large as chinese FDI in Russia) is in the production of parts.  Engines, alloys, pre fabricated construction material for either construction industry or the furniture industry, etc.

    Another form of FDI that is massive is the construction industry.  Foreign entities are now also getting involved in the nation projects...project.  They are also involved in a lot in terms of hotels, vacation spots, etc, which is a massive market now in Russia not seen for decades prior.

    It would just be nice to really get FDI off the ground by pushing for other nations like Iran, North Korea and other such nations that need a microprocessor and other semiconductors - by looking to them to help fund further development of the Elbrus microprocessor.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:01 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Oil and Gas FDI is barely existent now.  Maybe a small amount of it would be countries like China and India buying into Russian oil and gas fields, but the rest is non existent.  Many EU nations pulled out of the LNG plants in Russia simply because they will get a kick in the ass by US if they do.  So instead most FDI is coming from Asia and the like.  Only FDI from EU countries (still probably as large as chinese FDI in Russia) is in the production of parts.  Engines, alloys, pre fabricated construction material for either construction industry or the furniture industry, etc.

    Another form of FDI that is massive is the construction industry.  Foreign entities are now also getting involved in the nation projects...project.  They are also involved in a lot in terms of hotels, vacation spots, etc, which is a massive market now in Russia not seen for decades prior.

    It would just be nice to really get FDI off the ground by pushing for other nations like Iran, North Korea and other such nations that need a microprocessor and other semiconductors - by looking to them to help fund further development of the Elbrus microprocessor.

    Interesting how the caricature view of Russia as a gas station posing as a country is the knee jerk response to evaluate the FDI change. All that fake stream media
    brainwashing really does work on the gullible sheeple. Russia is actually a 1st world country. Any metric of development you use confirms this. The problem is
    fake stream media anti-Russian hysteria that lies in your face about Russian reality.

    But reality not being what the NATO (and its minion) west wants is a good thing. Nothing can deny reality and some little worms in Washington can never hope to
    make it.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:10 pm

    kvs wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Oil and Gas FDI is barely existent now.  Maybe a small amount of it would be countries like China and India buying into Russian oil and gas fields, but the rest is non existent.  Many EU nations pulled out of the LNG plants in Russia simply because they will get a kick in the ass by US if they do.  So instead most FDI is coming from Asia and the like.  Only FDI from EU countries (still probably as large as chinese FDI in Russia) is in the production of parts.  Engines, alloys, pre fabricated construction material for either construction industry or the furniture industry, etc.

    Another form of FDI that is massive is the construction industry.  Foreign entities are now also getting involved in the nation projects...project.  They are also involved in a lot in terms of hotels, vacation spots, etc, which is a massive market now in Russia not seen for decades prior.

    It would just be nice to really get FDI off the ground by pushing for other nations like Iran, North Korea and other such nations that need a microprocessor and other semiconductors - by looking to them to help fund further development of the Elbrus microprocessor.

    Interesting how the caricature view of Russia as a gas station posing as a country is the knee jerk response to evaluate the FDI change.   All that fake stream media
    brainwashing really does work on the gullible sheeple.    Russia is actually a 1st world country.   Any metric of development you use confirms this.   The problem is
    fake stream media anti-Russian hysteria that lies in your face about Russian reality.  

    But reality not being what the NATO (and its minion) west wants is a good thing.   Nothing can deny reality and some little worms in Washington can never hope to
    make it.


    Oil and Gas has been low for a while now, no one is really investing in it. Only LNG is being invested in and that is mostly done by host nations EXCEPT for Canada which relies mostly on China, Australia and others for its Kitimat LNG plant.

    Russia has stepped up the game with more than 1 LNG plant. And its heavily funded by Russia itself.

    Canada is a Gas station posing as a country, not Russia. Russia is far more developed than most nations in terms of industry.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:04 am


    But reality not being what the NATO (and its minion) west wants is a good thing.

    You can't acknowledge reality when you are hip deep in living the American dream... you can't have one and the other at the same time because they are contradictory... so Russia lives in reality while the Ukraine is living the American dream...
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    Post  kvs on Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:07 pm



    It looks like a lot of FDI is in pharmaceutical branch plants in Russia. But Russian companies are growing like mushrooms after a warm rain
    as well.

    The sanction era (post 2014) has been a Godsend for Russia. It has basically obliterated all the distortions left by Yeltsin's shock therapy
    voodoo. In 2014 Russia had to import 100% of medical insulin. That is just shocking to me. Now this BS has been mostly rectified but
    the 1990s legacy will require years and years to overcome. At least now this is happening robustly.

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    Post  Karl Haushofer on Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:29 pm

    kvs wrote:
    the 1990s legacy will require years and years to overcome.  
    Not just the 1990s legacy but the whole Soviet legacy at least from the 1960s or 1970s when the country started to fall behind the West.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:12 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    the 1990s legacy will require years and years to overcome.  
    Not just the 1990s legacy but the whole Soviet legacy at least from the 1960s or 1970s when the country started to fall behind the West.

    Nobody with a clue about the current Russian state of development would conclude that it is anywhere near the gap seen before 2004.
    Thanks to Putin and the loser NATO sanctions, Russia has closed the gap substantially and is actually ahead in various areas such
    as nuclear technology, hypersonic vehicle design and shows evidence of being a world leader in pharmacology being the first and
    only country to introduce a macrophage antibiotic substitute.

    As for the usual bleating about consumer goods, complainers can go and get f*cked since the whole of NATO, the west and the
    rest of the world depends on Chinese made imports. This includes Apple, etc.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:50 am

    It is important for the world that Russia becomes strong in medical production because its morals remain more pure than western pharmaceutical companies that are more interested in income than in actually curing diseases and helping people.

    A representative of Goldman Sachs who was investing in western medical companies said that to cure someone is a bad business model, there is more money to be made treating patients than curing them... especially with contagious diseases because a cured patient no longer buys your products and cannot infect others that will also need your product, so the model is treatment rather than cure... which, for a country is a terrible model... people being treated wont be as productive, and of course the risk of spreading the disease increases... not to mention in this case the company making the treatments are foreign so money heads overseas to treat something that could be cured.

    Russia being able to medicate itself and therefore also other countries in the same situation it was in before 2014 means huge potential for export... countries like Iran and Venezuela could pay for medical supplies via oil trade, and Russia could supply cures instead of treatments which would be vastly more useful.

    The legal drug trade is huge business so Russia could earn a lot of money that could be turned to developing cures and treatments and helping people around the world that the west is not interested in curing...

    Not just the 1990s legacy but the whole Soviet legacy at least from the 1960s or 1970s when the country started to fall behind the West.

    Yes, of course... for centuries the Soviets were ahead of the west and it was only in the 60s and 70s that they started to fall behind... please...

    Such a blanket statement has to be false... fall behind in what? Spelling? Sexual deviation?

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