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    Post  crod on Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:37 pm

    That israeli attack the on Damascus the other day appears to have damaged Iranian infrastructure at the airport. Satellite pics on livemap have appeared.
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    Post  nomadski on Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:46 pm

    @johninmk

    Nothing is decided by these modern wars. And no one has any sense. But we can keep our senses. Learn what to do. Even if the other side is blinded by science. Really what decides wars in the long run, is the willingness to die. The motivation. Especially if both sides are equally armed and carry same risks. If the Turks or Yanks are blinded by numbers or technology. Then we should not be. Someone should look at a battle involving the SAA and Turk forces. One where both sides were equal in numbers and weapons. The outcome will measure motivation. Willingness to die. On this basis can we plan for bigger operation or otherwise. We measure the weight of the stone. Decide if we move around it. Or move it out of the way. We use sense. Even if the other side does not. This battle in IDLIB between SAA and Turkey, has elements of parity. Can be assessed in this way.

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    Iranians are in Syria, for the long term. Strategic. I think the way they deliver supplies and store them, should be more clever. More Iranian effort to allow Syria itself to retaliate. In it's own interest. Yemen making progress with making defensive equipment. Russia and Iran and China can give Syria a manufacturing facility to make basic equipment. They don 't have to be directly involved. Ship equipment. Interfere. Teach a man to fish.............
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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:54 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    franco wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Syrian Army is considering making a full-scale attack on the main border post-Turks use to move and supply troops.

    This would be very brazen, turks will react with full force if they try that.

    But if by some miracle they could pull it off, that would eliminate Erod's ability to hold Idlib and that single decisive win if they could hold the ground, would bring them te Idlib victory.

    Hard to say how that plays out, Russia apparently doing a lot of bombing around Darat Izza, which would definitely be a choke point for logistics and the SAA is within 10 kms.  

    It would be very very hard to pull off, but it is possible. I see at least five valid moves they could make to capture it.

    Seems to be underway. Do you have any idea if there is much in the way of defensive positions or didn't anyone think this would happen so concentrated elsewhere?

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    After fully secure #Aleppo city #SAA is heading far west advancing along the M62 Highway & from #YPG/#SDF territory in Başemra mountain. The goal of this advance is the strategic town of Darat Izza & Sheikh Barakat mountain which is the highest point of westen #Aleppo

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    1. Separate #SNA from #HTS territory by cutting last route near Dayr simeon
    2. Reach Turkish border by reaching Atmeh & Bab al-Hawa Border Crossing
    3. Open new axis to advance sealing the border or advancing towards Idlib plain from N.

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    Post  Vann7 on Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:03 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Syrian Army is considering making a full-scale attack on the main border post-Turks use to move and supply troops.

    This would be very brazen, turks will react with full force if they try that.

    But if by some miracle they could pull it off, that would eliminate Erod's ability to hold Idlib and that single decisive win if they could hold the ground, would bring them te Idlib victory.

    dude ... you have been wrong all the time about the conflict..
    you were claiming SAA and Russia "lost" the war through the entire 2019..
    when syrian army was advancing.. turkey had an entire year , all 2019 to push back the syrian army
    and guess what? he did nothing..

    now you claim turkey have more artillery which is total bullshit..

    https://www.globalfirepower.com/armor-mlrs-total.asp

    Rocket Projector Strength (2020)

    syrian army  ------------   750 artillery rockets units..

    turkey army ------------    438...   lol1

    So who have more artillery now again ?  

    Syria BM-21 Grad rocket artillery have been upgraded by russia ,even russian army still use them.. cheap and effective.. and have a 45km range.. more range the the self propelled howitzer of turkey..  Syria can fire a barrage of rockets at turkey positions ,while turkey artillery can't do that .. fire a shot every 6 to 10 seconds. lol1   so in a duel of BM-21 vs turkey self propelled artillery is like a duel between a pistol and a machine gun.
    guess who have the machine gun ?  Cool

    syria then have 5,000 tanks ,that can be used "like artillery" with thermobaric munition..

    Syria have kornets -em  with 10km range...  vs turkey tow missiles with just 5km range..  Laughing

    Russia can provide syria with hermes missiles ...that russia used in syria already..

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    So how is erdogan going to stop those supersonic anti tank/anti personel /anti helicopters multi purpose
    highly mobile missiles?  with 30km -100km range?   lol1

    guess what? Russia provided those to the rebels in donetsk..   Cool
    what makes you think that Russia already didn't gave those to SAA ???

    like i said there is not a chance turkey can hold any position in idlib ,if SAA continue attacking them..
    you claim that SAA will not dare to attack turkey army.. but guess what? they already did it..
    10  turkey army soldiers killed and more than 30 wounded in just 2 attacks by syrian artillery..
    even Erdogan complained about SAA killing their soldiers..

    So basically you are speaking  non sense. either an ignorant or just trolling.. because SAA is returning fire on anyone that attack them.. whether they are turkey army or their backed terrorist. already turkey army complained about this.. What happens is that turkey army hides far behind their terrorist.. they send alqaeda first.. so SAA attack first their terrorist.. if their terrorist defeated ,the turkey army retreat.. this have been reported with details ,that happened 2x times in 2 different places already.. when the terrorist flee , the turkey army run away..with them..  

    And for the record.. im not saying that the Syrian army is more powerful than Turkey army...
    but you simply totally miss the point.. is not how big is the army what matters.. that's irrelevant dude.
    Like someone already told you , what really matters is how many soldiers you are ready to sacrifice in an
    invasion to another nation. The israel army lose 10 soldiers and then already want to leave.. Americans did not dare to respond to IRAN after they bombed their base and the american army is far more powerful than the iranian army.  Wink

    So is irrelevant the size of turkey army.. erdogan will not sacrifice everything ,including a full war with Russia
    just for idlib.. Simply put... ERdogan will have the same chance americans had in holding a position in north korea.. after they invaded it.. that Russia and China began to backup north korea to push them back..  Cool

    So unless Erdogan wants a real bad popularity , for losing soldiers hundreds every day . in a long very long war in syria.. on top of risking war with Russia.. then none of their generals will allow Erdogan to commit the mistakes.. Turkey army already did in the korean war ..which they also were part of the american invasion and were kicked in the ass ,same with americans from north korea after CHINA and Russia began to support north korea with weapons and soldiers..

    Russia will NOT allow Turkey to capture the lost territory in aleppo.. neither to recapture M5.
    IF putin plays safe,, he will limit the advances to the M5 and M4 and hold aleppo.. and will declare a cease
    of fire and hold the gained positions.. Turkey have zero chance.. in a war vs Russia..  so Putin if wants to keep
    relations with turkey open ,he will negotiate for the territory already achieved.. and tell SAA to not advance more... (for now.. Cool )  but eventually they will restart the operation again.. because terrorist will not stop fighting.. until they destroyed.

    There is no way , Erdogan can hold territories in Idlib for long ,with all the weapons and support the SAA receive
    from Russia.. like i told you before is a long game war.. 3 steps fordward and 1 step back.. this is what i told
    you in 2019 many times.. and all this continues ...albeit with a minor modification.. because in 2020
    it looks more that is 4 steps forward for SAA . and with no retreats.. Smile

    Simply put Russia have plenty of ways to make miserable the life of turkey army in idlib ,so many weapons they can provide to SAA to make Turkey army want to leave..  according to syrian perspective turkey lost already 20 tanks of the 70 ,they moved to Syria .. so saying SAA don't fight turkey is non sense..

    Syria war: Government shellfire kills Turkish soldiers in Idlib




    Five Turkish soldiers have been killed and five others wounded by Syrian army artillery fire in north-western Syria, Turkey's defence ministry says.

    Shells reportedly struck a Turkish observation post at Taftanaz airbase in opposition-held Idlib province, where pro-government forces are mounting a major offensive.

    Turkish forces retaliated by shelling Syrian army targets in the region.

    A week ago, eight Turkish military personnel died in a similar attack.


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51447114

    So not that Syrian army is not fighting Turkey???   lol1
    SAA already send a strong message to turkey ,that they will retaliate to their army if they are attacked..
    to believe that syrian army will just stay there with hands crossed and see how erdogan continues giving weapons to alqaeda.. and keep invading them..doing nothing and not defend itself ,
    is pure idiocy.. they will fight back and they already did it... this attacks on turkey military will only increase
    more and more if turkey continue provoking syria.. What you ignore dude.. is that the SAA had no place to
    retreat.. they are in their country.. and they now if they don't kick the turkey army from syria ,that they will continue advancing more and more until there is nothing left to take.. so Syrian army will fight to the last soldier..because is their land.. and allowing an Alqaeda supporter like Erdogan to hold territory is not an option.
    they will prefer to die fighting to liberate their nation.. than to die over a long term ,when their country split in many zones by turkey.. Erdogan in the other hand his country is not invaded.. so they have option to retreat
    which is exactly what they are doing.. because SAA is advancing regardless of turkey presence.

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    Post  Isos on Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:37 pm

    That's really funny how some people see Turkey as a big nation. Like it has an empire, money, economic power and huge military. In reality it is a normal small country.

    Its military proved to be very uneffective like in Syria or Lybia. Its economy is based on tourism money. Its currency is shit. Its desirs to make an empire are really pathetic as they can't even do something valuable in a shithole like Lybia.

    In Syria the turks have no air force and since the downing of the su24 they are not even allowed to make 1m inside Syria because of the su35/S-400 and the russian soldiers still waiting to revenge their dead friends.

    Moreover, right now Erdogan us facing two military fronts. 1st is Syria where he protect a bunch of terrorist for who he doesn't give a fuck and would sell them anyday if has a better option.

    2nd one is more important. It's the french/Greece/Egyptian coalition that is attacking its interest in the mediteranean. It's like 1 billion times more importabt than Syria for the turks and he won't risk losing its air force and Navy by attacking again Russians in syria so that he can't protect the multi billion dollars he make with oil extraction in Cyprus.

    Get realistic Turkey will go out of Syria pretty soon.
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:02 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:No Turks have more and longer range guns.

    actually your wrong, the Turks dont have more guns in Syria than SAA, and range is actually about the same, and if you want to knit pick the SAA have longer due to having the S-23 and if you include MLRS type systems Syria has more than Turks in Syria. This aint a dick measuring contest, its about how effective you use your guns. And it looks very much to me and everyone else the Turks guns are not stopping SAA advance very well. I have to admit i didnt expect such a noob comment.

    Cute but your wrong max range of the S-23 Syria has is is less than 40km nevermind the Syrians only have less than 20 of those guns. Nevermind they where given Export Models which have lower combat ability then domestic.

    The Turks have three guns in their inventory that out range the Syrian S-23 that I remember, and they have hundreds of these guns between all of them.

    So now, Syrian Arty isn't longer range and the Turks can easily match SAA arty for arty. The Turkish army is better armed and capable then the SAA don't like it? tough. It's a shame I even have to state such an obvious fact.

    Noob comment? I was stating from a factual position the Turks have more, Arty and longer range Arty then the SAA WHICH THEY DO. You are adding in other crap to my statement I never said, Thats a very common theme among people here.

    Trying to put words in their mouth.

    edit: Also keep in mind where the SAA are going the Turks aren't present, also sure it ain't stopping their advance but it's killing a good number of SAA troops so it's not exactly a win win. Even more so when their arty attacks are being left unanswered, meaning the turks are claiming these kills all for free.

    well ur wrong about export models being lower spec, the soviets didnt lower spec for artillery guns thats like lowering the spec on a AKM or makarov pistol. tanks anti air systems yes they lowered. As stated this aint some computer game your playing its how you use the guns range isnt everything, and and if you want to be anal about things the RAP round for S-23 is 43km, turkeys artillery, M110 RAP rounds 30km, M107 40km, T-155 40km. so if your in the business of dick measuring which it seems u are syria has longer range. as i said its not the range its how u use it, turkey hasnt deployed its full force into syria erdo hasnt and wont throw his full armed forces into idilb. Idilib will be liberated for sure. you have doubted the SAA many times and everytime proven wrong. The SAA have shelled turkish troops and killed, the turkey has retaliated it has been more a tit for tat with them, not full scale war. The SAA regardless if you like them or not have had well over 7yrs of fighting experience thats something most armies lack. They not be perfect but at least they are fighting, and not giving up and making progress and yes with help from Russia and Iran but still fighting and gaining ground. western Syria will be liberated, the east thats a different kettle of fish altogether. Turkey has been backing terrorists from the start and now it seems all that help is starting to fail, and their help in libya has also yielded next to nothing. is turkey a crap army - no they are not, but they are from perfect, and lack as much combat experience as the SAA. Majority of their artillery is shoter range but still being used effectively shoot and scoot tactics work well especially against large long distance artillery designed mostly for counter battery and laying siege to buildings. like i said its how you use them and the SAA seem to be using them fairly well.
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:06 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
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    It is a matter of calculation for SAA.  There are two option :

    ( 1)  Advance against Turk artillery, without retaliation. Hoping they do not suffer too many casualties. If they move fast. In this case, they can work out how many casualty suffered for area liberated.

    ( 2) Retaliate against Turk artillery and advance. Counting the cost and area liberated.


    There must already be examples to compare. Syria needs to liberate IDLIB, and still needs to have enough forces left to liberate East. And needs reserves. So as a rough guesstimate, SAA should not loose more than half of active force in IDLIB. Saving the other half and reserves for Yanks and Golan. How many man does SAA have now?


    We have the entire army, this means everything at 120k-ish.

    Reserve personal unknown but it wouldn't be too much.


    erdo wont send full forces into idilib he has send a fairly token force already, which hasnt done very well and most likely be forced back over the border. time will tell.
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:22 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:Other question,  i read that US and other nations have howizer bigger than 152 mm. Is Russia still using the 203 mm 2S7 Pion?

    Do you believe it could be useful in Syria?

    Russia operates about 35 2S7M.

    It could be useful if it's able to use it's 55KM max range effectively but this requires RAP's and they aren't very accurate. Turks have no gun that can go 55KM. Unless one of their guns is RAP assisted but I don't remember any gun being so they have.

    It would depend on how it used, using it to silence other Arty would be the best use for the gun. Since the Russians are controlling the Airspace the gun would be under no risk of attack since it would out-range anything else and aviation could not touch it.


    2S7, and Tulpan can be pretty useful in this type of warfare, slow firing isnt an issue as you only need 1-2 rounds to fully destroy majority of targets and buildings. Like all soviet and Russian artillery the Soviets/Russians design laser guided munitions for just about every gun(garryb will back this up) and for the larger stuff like these and S-23 design concrete piercing rounds as well. A high skilled recce section with laser designator can guide shells/bombs accurately onto targets. Using the large systems like these in this manner would also free up aircraft bombing runs and be cheaper to operate than aircraft carrying laser guided bombs, only downside is these rounds obviously cost more than conventional shells/bombs. I am surprised we havent seem 2S7 in syria and more usage/ footage of tulpan being used. Also surprised Russia hasnt sent 2S5 & 2A36 Giatsint-B into syria both are a decent heavy round with good range, much better range and a better more reliable gun than 2S3 that syria use. Ive seen few bits of footage of the 160mm mortar being used and thats a heavy round to hitting targets. Majority of artilley and mortars never used at peak maximum range anyway so range isnt always deciding factor. Hence large long range artillery hardly gets used as much and is really only for a small niche role. Although interestingly Russia has recently started to upgrade its Tulpan 240mm and 2S7 systems could this be due to experienced gain from Syria.
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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:25 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    erdo wont send full forces into idilib he has send a fairly token force already, which hasnt done very well and most likely be forced back over the border. time will tell.
    The last thing Erdo wants is for thousands of armed and pissed off terrorists to be streaming in believing that he had abandoned them.

    By moving in a significant amount of 'gear' for them to use, sending in a token force to back them up, scattering OP around the place and allowing some Turkish deaths is probably the least he could do to prevent a terrorist war at home.
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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:33 pm

    Erdogan will be Erdogone from Syria

    Just a matter of time

    Russia is offering him the opportunity to regulate the conflict. i.e. disarm the Islamists, allow Russian MPs into the areas he's occupied (in Kurdish areas, together with a Russian-commanded Kurdish police force or Iraqi Peshmerga; but excluding entrance of YPG elements to these regions), organize elections there, set up local administrations which will negotiate the gradual entrance of and integration with the Syrian government, have the Syrian government declare amnesties for rebels not implicated in warcrimes or hardcore Islamism, organize the return of all ethnically cleansed Kurds and others to these areas as well as refugees in Turkey to their places of origin in Syria, and then establish a timeframe for the eventual withdrawal of Turkish troops (but allowing them joint-patrols in Syrian border territories with Russia and later Syria per the reinstated Adana agreements)

    This will allow Erdogan to save face, establish a few Turkish-Russian-Syrian patrolled buffers between Turkey and YPG militias, and allow him to get rid of the burden of Syrian refugees on his country. If Erdogan can't get onboard with that, he can go f**k himself.
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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:09 am

    flamming_python wrote:Erdogan will be Erdogone from Syria

    Just a matter of time


    There is no question for me ..that turkey will go..

    i have been saying that for the entire 2019... the turning point in syrian war began ,when American leave their bases...  in kurdistan and SAA made an agreement for defense with the kurds.. after Trump betrayed kurds..
    and told them to defend themselves there is no return..

    i however believed IDlib will be captured partially first ,in negotiations with turkey ,combined with force..
    but i never expected this giant leap in advances.. never seen before in the syrian army..performance..
    it is as if the Russian military was leading the fight with all their cool stuff and surprises..

    i really think the most under rated weapon in Russian inventory that also syria have are their artillery rockets , because they look old ,they think is obsolete.. lol1  but what will happen if any army is caught in the middle of a barrage of rockets.. they will be cooked alive... they have been updated for better precision and greater range.. 45km. which is pretty good , versus any NATO self propelled artillery.

    and the other under rated weapon is Russian hermes missiles.. they are artillery and tank destroyers..
    with 30km range and 100km.. fire and forget , 2,000 mm armor penetration.. thermal heat ,radio seeker..
    is going to be an unpleasent surprise for turkey army.. when they see their artillery falling one by one to precise missiles attacks..

    the other winning wars weapon ,that Russia have for its land combat .. that could be extremely useful
    for SAA to defeat Turkey army..

    If Russia could mass produce this in the thousands.. will be unstopable power..



    i however in no way believe a full army war against turkey will be an easy thing ,they are much stronger in a full scale war..in terms of inventory and soldiers.. but Russia have the best weapons in the planet and give many of them to Syrian army.


    Orion drones could be a very nice addition ..for syrian military.

    update...

    interesting.. apparently today over Syria airspace.



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    Reports also of syrian airforce flying over idlib


    The Syrian Air Force targets the strongholds of terrorist organizations in the vicinity of the town of Dana, north of Idlib

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    Assad message to the nation today..

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    Russian military police and Turkish armed forces patrol together in the Ras al Ain / Derbysiya area in northeast Syria.


    Looks like a comedy movie.. and no idea which one is more funny ,if the patrol with turkey
    or if the avatar of the kurd that confronted US military alone.    lol1

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    but is not all good news... there is reports of a new chemical attack being filmed/staged , with white helmets..
    and guess who is going to be blamed? so next hours or few days.. don't be surprised of a new accusation of a chemical attack against assad and a new cruise missile attack.. to slow down the advance. No


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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:56 am



    South front new report..



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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:11 am

    Vann Syria doesn't have 750, that link is wrong. Even back before the war started they didn't have 750 more like around 560. They have much less Rocket arty then they do now, they have lost a lot of equipment over the years.

    Don't respond to me with such hair-brained remarks.

    I could respond to your entire rant on how wrong it is but that ain't worth my time.

    Oh yeah some Turks died but they killed more Syrians in return.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:22 am

    @John

    Generally, no, there is now major rebel defense points setup between the SAA and the crossing, the rebels are working to make some fast.

    But if they are trying to capture Darat Izza then that means the Syrian general staff does intend to move forward with that plan. Which means I know exactly what they will be doing now.

    I heard some chatter between Turks and rebels, Turks were screaming at the rebels to do something. It was funny to hear. The decisive battle is on the way, SAA is going with the third option I considered.

    Let us see if I am wrong about the turks going hard or if I am right, they have to commit the army at this stage if they want to hold these areas and I always said sooner or later the turkish army would need to deploy if it intends to annex parts of syria.

    This offensive will decide the fate of Idlib, if the turks don't commit here. Then they won't commit anywhere else in idlib.
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    Post  crod on Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:07 am

    If that does play out, I cannot see Russia simply upping sticks and departing out of fear of a direct Turkey confrontation, they’ve invested way too much thus far imo.
    If the Turks mix with their terrorist buddies during this advancement against the SAA, they’ll be hit by Russia and Syria alike.
    If I was a betting man, this isn’t going to end well for Turkey. Carnage on both sides but Turkey isn’t annexing like it hopes.
    But time will tell I guess, it would appear we’ll know sooner rather than later.
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:13 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:
    erdo wont send full forces into idilib he has send a fairly token force already, which hasnt done very well and most likely be forced back over the border. time will tell.
    The last thing Erdo wants is for thousands of armed and pissed off terrorists to be streaming in believing that he had abandoned them.

    By moving in a significant amount of 'gear' for them to use, sending in a token force to back them up, scattering OP around the place and allowing some Turkish deaths is probably the least he could do to prevent a terrorist war at home.

    exactly erdo sent a token force and continues to, he will try to do a controlled retreat over the over border and in the process allow many terrorists face their fate, but at the same time will have to kill a few SAA as to not give up the game of his real plans. once roads are cut, idilib surrounded, this will be the death knell for them, and Jisr Al shugour will be the last stronghold for the terrorist scum.
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:21 am

    various update today, NAto nnot interested in helping Turkey, Russia snubbing trumps calls to halt SAA, and Snubbing Erdo ceasefire deals, more SAA reinforcements into idilib, and turkey responding with token 150 vehicle reinforcement scattered across idilib. bring out the popcorn things aint looking good for the terrorists of erdo lol!


    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/nato-has-no-plans-to-provide-military-support-to-turkey-in-idlib-report/

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russia-vows-to-keep-supporting-syrian-army-in-idlib-despite-trumps-call/

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/turkey-sends-over-150-vehicles-to-idlib-amid-new-syrian-army-advance/

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/sea-of-syrian-army-reinforcements-head-to-idlib-to-intensify-offensive-video/

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-s-about-to-surround-another-turkish-post-after-scoring-new-advance-in-west-aleppo/
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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:07 am

    crod wrote:That israeli attack the on Damascus the other day appears to have damaged Iranian infrastructure at the airport. Satellite pics on livemap have appeared.

    the last attack of israel failed ..according to Syrian government all missiles intercepted.. and in the previous
    one two missiles of 8 ,enter.. but hit civilian zones.. with material damages only.. so don't believe everything
    what the lying israel government claims.. a photo is not evidence at all.. of anything.. they even claimed they hit a nuclear reactor of syria and even gave photos.. but syria don't have nuclear reactors. lol1

    so not every claim of israel is true.. most of what they claim is fake..
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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:19 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Vann Syria doesn't have 750, that link is wrong. Even back before the war started they didn't have 750 more like around 560. They have much less Rocket arty then they do now, they have lost a lot of equipment over the years.

    Don't respond to me with such hair-brained remarks.

    I could respond to your entire rant on how wrong it is but that ain't worth my time.

    Oh yeah some Turks died but they killed more Syrians in return.

    Russia MOD denied Turkey claims they hit syrian army.. so who to believe?

    the only things turkey did was shot down 2 hellicopters.. but it was the rebels with the manpads they gave..

    so you can believe whatever thing you want dude.. erdogan is clearly bluffing.. he did not sent a full scale army
    or neither a big one .. with 5,000 soldiers ,you have to be kidding if you think you can stop 50,000  syrian army +IRAN +Russian airforce support.. in idlib zone..  how long does it takes for turkey army to  block syria advance?
    months?  lol1   weeks?  common dude.. is not happening.. most likely erdo artillery attacks is only
    for public relations to his terrorist.. so they see he is helping them..  if Turkey really wanted to stop Syrian army
    operations.. he could have done it.. in 2019.. and in 2020.. but guess what ? he did nothing to stop them..
    in fact turkey observation post are largely passive and not attacking syrian army.. lol1

    where are those thousands of artillery pieces that was going to stop SAA ? why turkey don't fly with their planes over idlib? why they use manpads.. to shot down syrian hellicopters ,why not just use F-16s armed with
    AIM-120 AMRAAM to destroy the syrian airforce?  already hours ago , twiiter reported syrian airforce was bombing in idlib.. so shows erdogan is a bluff... even assad told it..  look at his message to the nation..
    since erdogan ordered the syrian army to stop.. 4 weeks ago.. they have done nothing.. is the opposite..
    SAA is now advancing more ,after erdogan threats to SAA.  Laughing

    one more time.. look what assad told to his nation..

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    february 17 2020 assad told..to his people..

    The battle to liberate Aleppo's countryside and Idlib  continuing regardless of the empty
    sound-bubbles comming from the north.


    So even Assad called erdogan was bluffing.. and not ready doing what he claimed of
    "destruction of syrian army" , in fact they now advancing at an amazing speed now... since
    erdogan threats.. lol1     again russia mod denied turkey claims ,they killed hundreds of SAA.
    this is pure public relations to save face... with his terrorist..  only two hellicopter shot down..
    since erdogan mayor threats.. this is what turkey did.. because like i said before .. the turkey army move behind their backed rebels troops and when they defeated ,they retreat too. according to russia ,SAA lost a couple of hundreds of soldiers ,fighting terrorist since the start of the 2020 new advance.. but largely the turkey army have refrained to fight directly the SAA.



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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:29 am

    The Russians deny lots of things that happen same for the US, You have got to be silly to take such statements for a fact.

    If you believe a government tells the truth all the time, I'll show you a Unicorn.

    However you are contradicting yourself in those SouthFront Videos you post, they stated the Russian MOD admitted the Turks killed hundreds and wounded hundreds more.

    SOOOOO which is it, Russia always honest? or are they selective with their honesty.


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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:33 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:The Russians deny lots of things that happen same for the US, You have got to be silly to take such statements for a fact.

    If you believe a government tells the truth all the time, I'll show you a Unicorn.

    But then you believe what erdogan government says.. Laughing
    just look the maps..which side is advancing and which side is running away ?  
    definitevely turkey army is not fighting directly the SAA ,they what they did is give some armor
    and artillery to their terrorist.. and still they wiped..  

    You claimed that "this is what i would have done , of sending terrorist first and when SAA weakened
    then Turkey jump.. the problem with that is that the rebels and the turkey army are retreating from
    the fight.. there is no strategy in allowing SAA to capture all alepo and later half of idlib in just 3weeks..

    what kind of strategy is that? if both turkey army and rebel runs in the opposite direction?   Smile  
    they are more afraid to fight SAA than SAA to fight turkey .turkey army learned the hard way,
    what happens if they attack syrian army.. they got shelled by SAA and dozens of turkey soldiers killed
    and even more wounded.

    so assad is lying then.. when he called erdogan warnings empty and a bluff ? so the maps are lying ?
    SAA did not control in full aleppo and near half of idlib ? are those unicorns for you ? Smile
    or perhaps Erdogan is afraid to stop as he did the SAA.. it only takes hours folk.. to travel from
    turkey border to syrian army positions... why he don't send those tanks to fight SAA ?

    oh wait they did and lost 20 tanks of 70 according to russia.



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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:37 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:The Russians deny lots of things that happen same for the US, You have got to be silly to take such statements for a fact.

    If you believe a government tells the truth all the time, I'll show you a Unicorn.

    But then you believe what erdogan government says.. Laughing
    just look the maps..which side is advancing and which side is running away ?  
    definitevely turkey army is not fighting directly the SAA ,they what they did is give some armor
    and artillery to their terrorist.. and still they wiped..  '


    I edited my statement and Feb 14th, 2020 the video South front posted time stamp.

    2:37

    Russia "claims" Turks killed 400 in arty strikes and wounded 900 more.

    So again which is it, Russia lying or telling the truth. If you want to accept Russia's word as fact, then there you go.

    Again don't respond to me with silly statements. Bruh you don't know English well do you, "What I would have done" Doesn't translate to "this is what they are doing". Don't be slimey and try to put words in my mouth, this conversation is done. I don't waste time with people who do that.
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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:45 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    Russia "claims" Turks killed 400 in arty strikes and wounded 900 more.

    So again which is it, Russia lying or telling the truth. If you want to accept Russia's word as fact, then there you go.

    Again don't respond to me with silly statements. Bruh you don't know English well do you, "What I would have done" Doesn't translate to "this is what they are doing". Don't be slimey and try to put words in my mouth, this conversation is done. I don't waste time with people who do that.

    that is from january 1 to now.. which is in near 2 months of fight and mostly rebels kills..which is about 10 soldiers per day.. pretty low .. for any real war.. if we take into account in europe in world war 1.. the losses between france and germans were in the many thousands per day..  the turkey army prefer to send their rebels ..and not risk their military too much.. since erdogan threats , 2 weeks ago ,they have done almost nothing.. to SAA. they now scared to confront directly SAA after they got their asses wiped by SAA artillery. 2x times in
    2 days.. Smile

    listen im not denying that a full turkey army invasion can easily overwhelm SAA positions if was alone..
    specially whe n syria lost half of its army in 9 years.. but is like others told you.. is not the numbers of you army
    what matters.. but how many soldiers you are ready to sacrifice ,in a war with another nation for a small piece
    of land.. Syrian army have no choice.. they will sacrifice everything ,every single soldiers they have.. because
    they know if erdogan allowed to hold a position in syria ,he will continue expanding their positions ,until they plant a flag in damascus.. if Russia for example leave.. the conflict.. with a new government. So SAA have no choice.. is a fight for the existence of their nation.. so the syrian army will fight to the last soldier.. while turkey can't do that.. they not fighting for their nation existence.. they not invaded.. but for erdogan greed. so they will
    sacrifice far less.. in the end doesn't matter how many each side kills.. but which side holds the territory in the end.. ask vietnam.. they lost more soldiers ,but it did not matter in the end their pressure forced americans to leave.. after years of major civil protest..



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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:51 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    Russia "claims" Turks killed 400 in arty strikes and wounded 900 more.

    So again which is it, Russia lying or telling the truth. If you want to accept Russia's word as fact, then there you go.

    Again don't respond to me with silly statements. Bruh you don't know English well do you, "What I would have done" Doesn't translate to "this is what they are doing". Don't be slimey and try to put words in my mouth, this conversation is done. I don't waste time with people who do that.

    that is from january 1 to now.. which is in near 2 months of fight and mostly rebels kills.. the turkey army
    prefer to send their rebels ..and not their military.. since erdogan threats , 2 weeks ago ,they have done almost nothing.. to SAA.

    Since you don't understand English to well, I will help you out this once, the past month means Jan alone, etc not counting Feb.

    The Past: The period of time or a segment of it that has elapsed. Feb hasn't been elapsed and if it was it would have been the Past Two Months, Month: Refers to the month in question. This case would be Jan not Feb and Jan.

    There have been more deaths since the start of Feb.
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    Post  crod on Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:09 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    crod wrote:That israeli attack the on Damascus the other day appears to have damaged Iranian infrastructure at the airport. Satellite pics on livemap have appeared.

    the last attack of israel failed ..according to Syrian government all missiles intercepted.. and in the previous
    one two missiles of 8 ,enter.. but hit civilian zones.. with material damages only.. so don't believe everything
    what the lying israel government claims.. a photo is not evidence at all.. of anything..  they even claimed they hit a nuclear reactor of syria and even gave photos.. but syria don't have nuclear reactors. lol1

    so not every claim of israel is true.. most of what they claim is fake..

    Cannot say for sure of course but the buildings around the airport are destroyed and there’s no doubting that...shoddy building work or missile strike??? dunno

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