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    Post  nero on Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:18 pm

    So much discussion for such simple matters...

    Russia negotiated a deal and they expect all sides to stick with it. Unlike the Americans, they don't jump to conclusions when the deal becomes shaky, especially in an area that has seen heavy combat.

    And look what happened... the prisoners got returned. Turkish/Russian patrols will continue. The issue was solved.

    Diplomacy, the one where people actually talk, rather than shoot and try to deal with it later is hard, however it is long lasting.

    People are too used to the American way of 'my way or the receiving end of a tomahawk'.
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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:32 pm

    What a US base, protecting Syrian oil looks like in Syria.

    Good panorama of the Special Purpose Marine Air-Ground Task Force – Crisis Response – Central Command (SPMAGTF-CR-CC) taken in Syria today.


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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond on Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:08 am

    Most of the comments regarding Turk vs Kurd issue are far away from the reality, and have to be brought back.

    Most of people around the world start to think Erdogan as a new Hitler in the Bosphorus, an opinion which is fair enough if everything is based on things they saw on media.

    In real case, Erdoğan started with Islamist ambitions, and this required an alliance with Islamist Kurds. By then, Turkishness was of a secondary issue, in best case. Nationalists, Kemalists and generally Turks were pissed off, once they see the reality in 2015 that actually there were no peace.

    Since 2015, Erdoğan is aligned with Nationalist bloc, which is now definitely not pro NATO. Actually nowadays there is little influence of US/NATO on Turkey. Especially after the coup. Nowadays Turks trust noone. Just they play for their own national interests, as great powers and other independent nations do.

    However, Turkey does not have enough power to kick all powers he faces. Except for the case of - you name it -Kurds.

    Kurds are being used for region remake plans. Why? Kurds living in the region are mostly uneducated, ignorant, living in poor conditions and that region definitely cant be a self sustaining region. i.e. a suitable place to be manipulated.

    It is the same for all Kurds in Syria Iraq or Iran. They are used for highest bidder.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:58 pm

    The agreement signed between Russia and Turkey for a new security plan in northeast Syria was certainly historic and a much welcome potential path towards stability and peace.

    The following graphic illustrates how it is supposed to work:

    On October 22, 2019, Russia and Turkey signed a memorandum on safe-zones in Syria, putting an end to the Turkish offensive iun Northern Syria against Kurdish forces and restoring Syrian government control over a large portion of the border with Turkey.

    The deal was welcomed by the government in Damascus and by the Kurds.



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    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/how-russian-turkish-deal-northern-syria-works
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    Post  flamming_python on Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:28 pm

    AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:Most of the comments regarding Turk vs Kurd issue are far away from the reality, and have to be brought back.

    Most of people around the world start to think Erdogan as a new Hitler in the Bosphorus, an opinion which is fair enough if everything is based on things they saw on media.

    In real case, Erdoğan started with Islamist ambitions, and this required an alliance with Islamist Kurds. By then, Turkishness was of a secondary issue, in best case. Nationalists, Kemalists and generally Turks were pissed off, once they see the reality in 2015 that actually there were no peace.

    Since 2015, Erdoğan is aligned with Nationalist bloc, which is now definitely not pro NATO. Actually nowadays there is little influence of US/NATO on Turkey. Especially after the coup. Nowadays Turks trust noone. Just they play for their own national interests, as great powers and other independent nations do.

    However, Turkey does not have enough power to kick all powers he faces. Except for the case of - you name it -Kurds.

    Kurds are being used for region remake plans. Why? Kurds living in the region are mostly uneducated, ignorant, living in poor conditions and that region definitely cant be a self sustaining region. i.e. a suitable place to be manipulated.

    It is the same for all Kurds in Syria Iraq or Iran. They are used for highest bidder.

    Erdogan wishes to do in his 'safe zone' in northern Syria the same thing that the Israelis did in the Golan heights in southern Syria.
    And same thing happened in Kosovo too.

    Kick all the natives out, and colonize it with people loyal to him and to the Muslim Brotherhood. That will give Turkey a permenant sphere of influence in Syria - but worse, it will cause endless conflict.

    You cannot support him in this, it is a sadistic, criminal policy fit for colonial empires but not modern countries.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:57 pm

    You are assuming he wants to hold the territory... he might appreciate the land but the shitty people he is sending there... he wants rid of them.

    I doubt they could form a functioning society within those boundaries so when they mount a raid into Syria Syria can reclaim the land...
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    Post  Isos on Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:23 pm

    https://mobile.twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/1191005134769270786

    Turkish MRAP destroyed by kurds with an ATGM. MRAPs are big targets and defenceless.
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    Post  Vann7 on Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:56 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Erdogan wishes to do in his 'safe zone' in northern Syria the same thing that the Israelis did in the Golan heights in southern Syria.
    And same thing happened in Kosovo too.

    Kick all the natives out, and colonize it with people loyal to him and to the Muslim Brotherhood. That will give Turkey a permenant sphere of influence in Syria - but worse, it will cause endless conflict.

    Finally we agree on something.. thats correct.. And as a bonus he wanted kurds oil fields too.. to boost
    Turkey income.. and by Americans taking control of the oilfields in all new zones kurds call now kurdistan.. ie..
    anything east of euphrates river.. the oil is now under US control or most of it.. in that northen zone.. then it will significantly limit  Turkey leverage and influence in the place..  Without a sustained economy the vision of Turkey
    for kurdistan.. will be even more difficult to sustain..

    So Americans and Turkey ,each one (blocked each other) for achieving its goals in so called kurdistan or better said North of Syria.. by invading Turkey ,, it kicks American from the zone.. but Americans take the oil ,and
    nullify Erdogan source of income to sustain his buffer zone and army operation with Turkey economy.. Laughing

    So Erdogan will face the same controversy ,Soviet faced in Afganistan.. if they stay for too long ,it will drain
    their nation Turkey Economy and if that happens as it is very likely to happen.. since Erdogan don't have the support of NATO ,neither EUROPE in creating that buffer zone..in kurds lands.. not only Erdogan lose influence in Northern Syria.. but also in Turkey itself..  Wink   So Erdogan policies in Syria once it start bringing down
    Turkey economy ,because all those mercenaries needs to be paid and provided with ammo and the zones developed or civilians who support erdogan will rebel.. against Erdogan in both sides in Syria and in Turkey..
    So Turkey blocked Americans influence in the zone and Americans blocked Turkey long term influence..
    Russia can just sit down and relax and focus in developing Syria.. while Turkey and  US .. fight each other in the buffer zone.. for control of the zone.  Smile

    And if Turkey withraw from Syria , after its economy collapse because of their long interference.. Syria can re-start the operation to clear IDLIB in Full , once Mercenaries there lose Turkey support.. and this will allow Syria for once to retake 95% of its territory back.. the way it was in 2011 before the Syrian war began.. Wink  

    and by Americans remaining in Syria "protecting Syria oil" , it will damage its image worldwide..and damage the morale of future american citizens who desire to join the US army.. no many people join the US army to become pirates or ally with Alqaeda to  steal other nations Oil..    So is kind a win/win/win for Russia.. to just be patient
    and only focus in fighting terrorism.. and take territory back ,little by little ,meter by meter.. with no hurry for doing it.

    i think  you were one who questioned the peace deal of gasputin with Poroshenko in Ukraine ,that it was a
    "failure" the minsk2 agreements.. but i told that as long European Union first, and Russia second..in that order.. stand by it.. Ukraine will have no choice  but to implement it.. because Americans will not carry or pay the bills of Ukraine.. and if kiev ever wants to develop its nation..it will need the help of Europe Unions germany and france  first and Russia second to create a sustainable economy..  So Ukraine is doomed ,, it can't get away of the fact ,that its independence is a fantasy.. they will always depends for next decades on EU and Russia to
    grow and develop their economy.. and so they will have sooner or later comply with Minks 2 agreement.. and
    restore relations with Russia and end the war against  Donetsk.. if it wants any possibility for progress.
    Even some pro Trump senators are now pressuring Ukraine to end the war.. and pushing to declare the Azov
    battalion a terrorist organization... So Russia patience policy of promoting dialogue ,in combination with the
    use of force while being flexible in other interest.. is paying major progress in Syria and Ukraine.. an policy that will be teach in schools of international politics for many generations..even in the west.. as an example of
    what is possible to achieve.. with patience and innovative Diplomacy..
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:52 am


    Russians and Americans adhering to rules of the road

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    Post  auslander on Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:16 pm

    https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/5397765.html

    Interesting shots. I can't hear much of the one 'professional' speaking but he sounds like he has a heavy accent to his English. Might be fake accent.
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    Post  Isos on Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:25 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Russians and Americans adhering to rules of the road



    One is not adhering to international rules ...
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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:49 pm

    From the top of the SDF. Will they never learn? Mind you they probably had no choice and the money into Swiss bank accounts is just too good.

    How does this match with other SDF units working with the SAA and Russia I wonder, especially as the latter, with the Turks, seem to be putting a real border up between Syria and Turkey so probably stopping the easy Kurdish movement over it.


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    Post  Isos on Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:39 pm

    It's too late russian are already alll over the north.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:09 pm

    JohninMK wrote:From the top of the SDF. Will they never learn? Mind you they probably had no choice and the money into Swiss bank accounts is just too good.

    How does this match with other SDF units working with the SAA and Russia I wonder, especially as the latter, with the Turks, seem to be putting a real border up between Syria and Turkey so probably stopping the easy Kurdish movement over it.


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    Has I said before they are trying to play both sides of the fence, letting the SAA and Russians dig in North Syria but asking us to dig into NE Syria. I warned about this over a week ago, first-hand knowledge is fun.

    Then you have the turks who are saying Russia isn't removing the SDF from the agreed points, so he can use that as an excuse to try and keep going for more land.
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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:19 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Has I said before they are trying to play both sides of the fence, letting the SAA and Russians dig in North Syria but asking us to dig into NE Syria. I warned about this over a week ago, first-hand knowledge is fun.

    Then you have the turks who are saying Russia isn't removing the SDF from the agreed points, so he can use that as an excuse to try and keep going for more land.
    If the map I posted above is OK it would seem that the Turks have central North Syria, the Syrian Government has NE Syria and the SDF has East and SE Syria east of the Euphrates. Do you think that is reasonably accurate?
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    Post  Vann7 on Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:45 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:From the top of the SDF. Will they never learn? Mind you they probably had no choice and the money into Swiss bank accounts is just too good.

    How does this match with other SDF units working with the SAA and Russia I wonder, especially as the latter, with the Turks, seem to be putting a real border up between Syria and Turkey so probably stopping the easy Kurdish movement over it.


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    Has I said before they are trying to play both sides of the fence, letting the SAA and Russians dig in North Syria but asking us to dig into NE Syria. I warned about this over a week ago, first-hand knowledge is fun.

    Then you have the turks who are saying Russia isn't removing the SDF from the agreed points, so he can use that as an excuse to try and keep going for more land.


    And i have been saying for even longer time..
    that Americans position in Syria is unsustainable ..  
    is not a question of IF.. but when you will leave. .as long Russia is there ,it will ruin all American plans there..
    Today Americans positions is significantly far weaker that it was a month ago..  So US troops can pretend
    that nothing happened and continue to show some presence.. but Kurds will get tired of Americans fooling them..
    that promised them impossible things like Kurdistan project is IMPOSSIBLE to happen.. and Since Americans money is not Unlimited.. it have limits. .the Kurds will get tired of Americans promised and betrayal..and it will
    not take long that the kurds will start shooting in American direction so US troops leave ..

    Russia was more realistic and never offered an impossible to kurds , Is Russia the only thing there
    saving Kurds lives.. from Turkey.. Because Americans were NOT going to put their lives at risk
    for defending Kurds..

    So the way i see all this American circus patrols. . is an attempt to save face from the embarrassing retreat. that Turkey army forced on US troops..   But people back at home will see the ridiculous role of American
    troops there and the voices demanding US to leave will only grow.. because again US have no real achievable
    objectives in Syria as long Russia and Turkey is there... so the only thing US soldiers will achieve if some oil barrels to steal for a few months.. but a year from now ,you will see US completely leaving.. Since Turkey and Russia will continue pushing bit by bit.. American troops out..  the only zone US troops have a chance to stay is
    the totally useless base near Jordan border.. to save face.. Since Russia is not in a rush ,to interrupt Americans
    meaningless occupation in Syria , when it help to sink US public opinion in the world..

    There is a rule in war.. that says.. never interrupt an enemy when is doing a mistake..
    and US troops are doing many catastrophic mistakes in Syria , by staying there..

    US mistakes by staying in Syrian war..

    1)Shows how weak american troops are... incredibly weak.. US troops can't fight IRAN ,neither Turkey
      when they show posture... US forces back down.. and retreat.. and neither did anything to Russia when
    destroyed their fighers.. in Aleppo ,Damascus and southern Syrian. So everyone knows even the terrorist
    that americans fear russia. So will not directly fight them..
    2)Show that US is not there to fight any terrorist , only to steal Syrian oil.. and block Syria from uniting again.
    3) Show that US influence is vanishing the more time it stay in Syria..  US can recruit the biggest losers that always exist in any country , Kurds that for the right $$ money ..will help Americans save face. of the embarrassing retreat to turkey forces.. and make it look they still in the game in Syria..   but the average Kurdish population knows US troops have been using them.. and they are not there to help kurds at all.. .
    The kurds leadership will try to play both sides.. to see if American reverse their actions and push Turkey back..
    but eventually this is a game US troops can continue doing for longer..

    4)US money for kurds will stop flowing and eventually even the leaders will want US troops completely out..


    You can see all this happening in Ukraine... already too. so is not only kurdistan fantasy land project. ..

    US losing influence in Ukraine too.. in latin american too.. In Europe too.. macron was today saying NATO is dead..  lol1   So how those Washington DC policy makers plans to continue their empire with a collapsing
    influence?   Neutral

    and is not Trump to blame.. he is doing the right thing retreating . because the war to remove assad was already lost. when Russia kicked ISIS from nearly all zones in Syria ,that americans did not control.. even the former Ambassador to Syria from America told it in social media.. that the Syrian war is lost. and the only thing they can do is annoy Russia ,and make them lose a little bit of money.. by having military bases in Syria.. while at the same US world wide image being destroyed..  and i told it.. the longer US troops stay in Syria ,the WORSE their image and influence will be.. and this is exactly what is happening..

    Russia have far more influence now over kurds than Americans.. it was predicted by me.. that Russia influence will only grow ..because Russia Is the only major power fighting terrorist and the only nation who wants Kurds and Syrians to have peace and prosperity... So from now on.. US image will only go down at a faster speed.. By trying to pretend that nothing happened and that they did not abandoned kurds.. by remaining in Syria.. it will only show how disconnected Americans have become from reality..  Because their presence in Syria ,of "protecting the oil" will only send a bad image of US at a global scale.. also this will demoralize the US military too .. majority of americans will not join the army to become pirates.. or Alqaeda allies..

    and so far Russia managed to negotiate with Turkey a policy that could allow to save Kurds lives..
    Trump told.. now kurds will have to defend themselves.. LOL lol1  that was EPIC. Very Happy
    Trump did the right thing.. by teaching Kurds that the US military use Kurds like a Condom.. and that the
    US military should not be trusted.. and there is no ammount of money ,that will now convince Kurds that
    they can trust in Americans..  they were warned of it... that americans will betray them and so they did not listen.. now they know how wrong they were.. so it will be a matter of time , the kurds will finally understand
    that Joining Syria government and Russian side is the only way to move for ward ,to end the war..  

    Turkey also will have to leave ,but this will take more time.. it could happen next week , however if Erdogan see the light.. but in any case Erdogan will not be president for ever in Turkey ,and a big part of the population in Turkey wants also wants to restore relations with Assad..  i don't think US troops will last another 2 years..
    even france and Britain left.. lol1   So it looks so pathetic American patrols now.. pretending they are helping
    any kurds when they retreated to Turkey army invasion on kurds zones.. and leave them to their dead. Only
    Russia negotiated for a less bad scenario where Kurds can continue in most of their zones without a fight..
    and Turkey negotiated for a less ambitious invasion..  By Trump also taking the oil fields.. it blocks any plans
    Turkey had to capture it.. lol1  So effectively Trump is also aiding Russia position.. Since erdogan will receive no economical benefit from their invasion.. Wink  

    If this was a Chess game.. it will be multidimensional with like 10 tables on top of each other.. and any piece
    you move on the table above affect every other under it.  lol1   Pure brilliance diplomacy.. of Putin.. the only thing he can do right is that diplomacy.. and so credits to him for that..  to just think.. that Russia policy still leave the door open for 100% recovery of all Syria for assad is mind blowing.. after 30 nations ,including top European nations , US , Israel ,UK ,france ,turkey , were seeking to overthrow assad just 3 years ago..
    So this is something big what Russia have achieved until now.. is ridiculous , unthinkable ..  still don't believe it..
    but is like a miracle..  Very Happy    Still i think it was a major mistake for Putin ,to have alliance with so useless nations for Russia interest.. it will have been for me Far Better that a war never happened there... if Putin just stay away from Syria and warned assad that will be alone if Americans attack them.. and so convince them to follow a Jordanian like puppet policy to avoid destruction of their nation .So Russia need to choose better its allies , is not worth of it ,the risk of going to war with US ,Turkey and israel for a country no one in Russia cares about.. Egypt will have been a better option.. for Russia to be-friend.controls the suez channel. and have hundred of millions of citizens that well armed ,Israel will be afraid to fight today.. . and is HUGE land more easier to defend for Russia..and more friendly for Russia air defenses .. Mexico will have been the ultimate ally for Russia..since is so close to US border. Simply Putin needs to choose better its allies.. taking into account that any nation they befriend will be attacked by NATO for not being in US orbit..
    ..
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:11 pm

    Vann, the problem for Russia would have been there even if they had no naval base in Syria (even if 5 years ago it was only a small logistical facility) and if Syria was not a sort of client / ally (I mean client in the ancient Roman meaning
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patronage_in_ancient_Rome).

    A vast amount of Russian muslim citizen from the Caucasus and from other CIS countries went in the middle east to play terrorists... Russia could not allow them to come back to Russia and create problems there.


    And idiot politicians in some EU countries are instead asking to reimpatriate the terrorist with eu citizenship sitting in a Syrian or Iraqi prison....
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    Post  Vann7 on Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:45 am

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:Vann, the problem for Russia would have been there even if they had no naval base in Syria (even if 5 years ago it was only a small logistical facility) and if Syria was not a sort of client / ally  (I mean client in the ancient Roman meaning  
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patronage_in_ancient_Rome).

    A vast amount of Russian muslim citizen from the Caucasus and from other CIS countries went in the middle east to play terrorists... Russia could not allow them to come back to Russia and create problems there.


    And idiot politicians in some EU countries are instead asking to reimpatriate  the terrorist with eu citizenship  sitting in a Syrian or Iraqi prison....


    Syria is only attacked by US because is allied with Russia.. nothing more and nothing else..
    Any nation who choose to be allied with Russia will be on the Hit list of the CIA and american government
    and its major NATO allies and  Israel.

    So it is highly irresponsible of Putin ,to not warning Syria of how vulnerable they are if NATO and Israel choose to
    Attack Syria.. IT should have been completely OBVIOUS for Russia ,that after IRAQ ,americans were going to move to Syria.. this was being even warned by Americans former generals of plans to invade Syria.. back in 2007.

    This is a 12 years old video..  Since 2007.. There was warnings that Syria will be next
    after IRAQ..



    So any responsible president in Russia should have done simple math 2 + 2 = 4.. after US
    IRAQ invasion that Syria will be next.. and So it was GasPutin responsibility to warn Syria , that they could face
    a real ugly war , with American troops in IRAQ , Israel in the other side.. and Turkey in the other.

    Syria was encircle from all sides literary. So it should have been obvious for Russia ,that either
    he needs to warn Syria that a potential big ugly war could happen against them.. Remember than since
    2003 George Bush withraw from the Nuclear treaty of ABM missiles in Europe.. So it should have been
    obvious that Americans by expanding NATO all the way to Russia borders and now in time of peace
    moving missiles to poland.. that they were planning for a major confrontation with Russia..  and that the
    most likely way will be the same way NATO did to Yugoeslavia..  that withing months Soviet Union dissolved
    began NATO to bomb all allies of Russia..

    So Russia should have also know of US plans to bomb IRAN..   and remember than in 2008 it was Georgia war..
    that US did a color revolution in Georgia to put a puppet in Georgia ,that will later start a war to Attack Russia..
    SO back at 2008... after Georgia army killing hundreds of Russian soldiers.. it should have been FUCKING OBVIOUS ,that Americans did not gave up their plans to break Russia.. Yakunovych in Ukraine also faced a color revolution around that time too..  so he was stolen his Presidency 2 TIMES!!!!!  under RUSSIA noses..

    So this is the most amazing display of incompetence of Putin foreign policy.. Coup in Georgia and in Ukraine
    and they tried Belarus too.. the goal ? what could be of Americans to put puppets there? of course to get NATO
    countries all around Russian borders. this should have been FUCKING OBVIOUS for Putin that There will be a comfrontation.. So he saw US troops in IRAQ and did NOTHING the bastard to re-arm Syria.. modernize its
    army.. if he was so obsession with holding Syria.. at least he should have modernized their military and armed them.. But the idiot did nothing.. Syria was still using tanks from the 70s.. and Russia began to arm Syria
    only when the revolution began..  Began to send attack hellicopters to syria ,when they had the war already ..
    So Putin took every possible retarded decision he could ... instead of warning Syria ,or encouraging them to switch sides to avoid a major war.. instead of modernizing Syrian army ,after Americans invaded IRAQ.. he completely ignored Syria and did nothing.. it was not until Syria to lost IDLIB and lost palmyra,when ISIS had a BIG army just 1 hour away of Damascus.. to come to its allies help..

    So what Putin is doing is incredibly irresponsible ,incredibly idiotic.. Is like encouraging a friend that don't get along with its neighbors ,to fight for his interest with its neighbors ,that are very powerful. telling them ,no worry we will have your back.. but when Syria is attacked , look to the other side ..and only limit the help to Syria
    to humanitarian aid..  No

    Syria is ONLY!!! attacked for being in Russia orbit.. nothing more and nothing less...
    and any Leader in Russia that understood how dangerous was its country alliance for Syria.. how dangerous
    was this friendship for Syria national security.. So any responsible leader.. in Russia will have to realize that if
    it doesn't break relations with Syria and pressure Assad  to submit to Americans /Israel hegemony and join their side to avoid a war.. that they will be in their own. .because is not in Russia interest to fight with NATO ,Israel and Turkey for them..

    Even Hillary clinton was in march Damascus in 2011 , giving Assad the last opportunity to surrender
    and join US side.. and assad declined because he expected that Russia will protect them and fight
    back at NATO and Israel. just like soviets did it earlier in a previous war  ..  Neutral

    So Syria could have avoided completely the war today face if Putin wasn't an Imbecile and so incompetent.
    the best diplomacy is the one that is not need .because there is no war.. and Putin being Putin ,he just under
    estimated NATO major powers ,and Israel evilness in seeking to destroy Syria.. i remember how Putin was bragging about how americans can't damage Russia oil business because it will damage theirs too.. Neutral

    So Putin is the biggest contradiction Russia have.. is a blessing and a curse at the same time.. a blessing because is patriotic and cares about russia interest.. and a curse because is So STUPID , SO Outdated ,SO Imbecile ,That he can't predict any thing ,he don't see beyond his noses..in the future.. all he does is FIX problems ONCE they are already created.. But he does NOTHING to prevent problems from happening.. which is the most ideal policy to have.. Putin is a reactionary imbecile..wait for things to be very bad to do something about it.. instead of being a preventive PRO actionary policy maker..  

    Russia could have completely avoided 100% Syria war  and saved Syria from being attacked by convincing Assad to be come a "pro American" colony in change for avoiding war..  that they could continue trading secrets ,but to cooperate with everything US and Israel wanted..it was that or war.. Jordan is the policy that Syria should had..
    that is not attacked by anyone for being in American orbit.. and having military bases of them..

    So no Russia will have NOT be in Syria at all ... because there will have been no war at all.. they will have moved
    to IRAN next.. and in IRAN things are completely different.. because Russia can supply very easily IRAN from the caspian sea.. and Americans ,neither Turkey can block Russia from helping IRAN.. So is a really bad mistake
    what Putin did with Syria..

    You have Russia allied too , to another useless country Nicaragua.. what is Russia going to do
    if they invaded? the moron in chief Putin ,need to be slapped in the face ,so he wake up  from that
    fantasy of moral duty.. Any sane President in Russia will have choose it wars correctly and the battlefields they fight.. and not allow the enemy to drag them ,to a battle in a place Russia will be on a major disadvantage..

    Russia military have to understand Russia limitations and not allow the enemy to abuse of those limits..
    that is the lack of mobilization capabilities of Russian army..far from borders and how vulnerable is Russia oil based economy..

    Syria is also attacked to create an energy pipeline to Europe passing Russia gasprom..  Americans attack Russia
    energy business because GasPutin have made Russia economy dependent on Energy exports,which there is so many competition in that area..  had Putin had a fucking vision of a modern economy.. one that can't be isolated.. like an economy based on space exploration and in leading civilian high tech technology ,that no other nation have like China economy is now. Then all this pipeline wars will not exist at all.. because Russia economy
    will not depend on energy.. and as we know americans CAN'T ban Russia Space program ,because they need it too.. Wink  

    Want to know why US is also interested in venezuela more than anything ????    OIL..
    not because Americans don't have enough Oil... but because Putin Gas Station economy depends mostly
    in OIL sales and Oil prices.. so they want to control venezuela Oil fields and start flooding the market with OIL
    to bring down Oil prices. .for what?  TO break Putin's Russia retarded Oil based economy.
    What truly hurt Russia economy that was in reccession was when Oil prices were at $30.
    and what truly helped Russia economy to end recession was that Oil prices returned to $60 and $70..
    So this is why is so important to control OIL in the world.. TO BRING DOWN PUTIN retarded OIL dependent RUSSIA economy. If Russia economy was not dependent so much in energy .. then none of this pipeline
    wars.. will be happening at all.  

    So any smart president will have made Russia economy Sanction proof for being dependent in LEADING business that there are no competition to it.. and also in Business that directly competes with US business.. to weaken
    Americans influence in the world.. their Computer ,internet and digital media entertainment industry.

    Americans tried to ban CHINA innovative huawei Smartphones and leading 5G technology but they COULD NOT DO IT. because is very difficult to ban business leadership that everyone wants to follow..and likes.. yet Putin in the conference ,he claimed that China for investing in a technology business was "busted". LOL
    and is China technology base leadership business ,what is making CHINA to gain the influence that putin never had in Europe or in latin America.. It is chinese high tech business what is destroying American influence in the world and not Putin idiotic olympics or healthy food or potatoes farming records.. Europe only choose Russia gas business because only with regrets.. because is important for their economies.. But when it comes to China
    they choose Chinese business with excitement because they like innovative business and the wonderful things it can do for their nation devepment..  Putin influence over europe is mediocre at best.. same influence that Saudi arabia have.. and taxi to the iss.

    SO like i SAID BEFORE.. Is Putin Outdated vision of Russia.. of a saudi Arabia of asia..
    what have made Russia so vulnerable to Americans sanctions and oil prices wars.. and what have made
    Russia influence So mediocre in the west.. and reason why the west jokes at Russia calling it a gas station..
    but they will not be saying anything at all .. or laughing or calling Russia an outdated weak nation if it was leading space explorations in Moon and Mars and others planets,and was first with human expedition and bases in those and other planets.. and if Russia had a Space tourism industry.. you can't ban that.. since all those haters billionaires in the west who dislike Russia will love to travel around the moon in a space civilian plane tour..

    Is the lack of Influence ,the Lack of leadership ,the lack of competition to American business of Russia business.. in the business that matters.. that only most advanced nations can do ..the reason why is so disrespected
    country in the world..   Putin keeps wasting the limited budget of Russia economy in totally meaningless
    distractions like olympics or Hockey or UFC , or  pretty parks.. or Tourism.. Is a Leadership crisis in Russia civilian business ,the problem that Russia face.. and this create the disrespect on Russia of the west. and the lack of influence.. And Putin is the architect in chief of Russia very weak Policy and very weak influence in the most developed nations..  He himself have told is not interesting in Russia being a leader.. No  and the moron
    himself Praise Americans as the only super power.. lol1   How Putin expect to convince the world ,Not to follow American leadership and system if he himself downplay his own country and Russia follows American business ,
    american internet ,american computers ,american culture.. Is a leadership crisis  what Putin's Russia face
    and China is showing the moron ,how it is done to beat the American empire.. by modernizing their economy.
    towards a high tech industry and digital entertainment . just days ago China announced a $$10 trillion dollars
    economic zone between earth and moon.. why life is so unfair..give the best leaders to China and the biggest morons to Russia.. lol1 replace Putin for Xi Jinping and you will see a complete turn around of Russia economy..and Russia influence completely outclass the American one.. and this will encourage them to work with Russia and put an end to their cold war.. China is a far biggest threat to the American empire ,that putin's and his bullshit olympics could ever dream of..

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:12 am

    Syria is only attacked by US because is allied with Russia.. nothing more and nothing else..

    Jez Van... look at a map buddy... the US occupies or controls Iraq and Saudi Arabia and UAE and other arab countries in the vicinity... even if they only had half of Syria... the half they are trying to keep they could put gas and oil pipelines through Iraq and Syria to Turkey and counter some of that Russian gas going to Europe... not to mention the transit fees they would charge the UAE and Saudi Arabia and anyone else who used the pipeline...
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    Post  Vann7 on Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:38 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Syria is only attacked by US because is allied with Russia.. nothing more and nothing else..

    Jez Van... look at a map buddy... the US occupies or controls Iraq and Saudi Arabia and UAE and other arab countries in the vicinity... even if they only had half of Syria... the half they are trying to keep they could put gas and oil pipelines through Iraq and Syria to Turkey and counter some of that Russian gas going to Europe... not to mention the transit fees they would charge the UAE and Saudi Arabia and anyone else who used the pipeline...

    neither UAE ,Jordan, Saudi arabia or Qatar are attacked.. only nations allied to Russia..
    Look the video i posted.. a former NATO general told it  too... That US military was given the order
    to overthrow all those client states that helps Rusia economy in less than a decade before Russia recover .  If Assad was aligned
    with Americans the war will not have happened at all.. and US will have bases in Syria.. so what? Russia don't need Syria at all for anything. The pipelines will have only be created only if they could hurt Russsia economy..
    The point is Syria will have not be attacked and Russia will have been bullet proof against Oil prices collapse and US sanctions.. had Russia had a leader with vision ,for a modern economy and civilan high tech .indstry
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:10 pm

    Forces moving to deploy at Southern Kobani, Looks like we staying in Northern Syria after all.
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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:39 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Forces moving to deploy at Southern Kobani, Looks like we staying in Northern Syria after all.

    It doesn't really matter. Russia and SAA are present in all front-line areas and all population centres, and have taken control of the situation.

    US can stay, but it won't stay forever. SAA will stay forever, Russians for a long while certainly too. Turks will stay as long as needed. US will be the first to bow out.

    So the US tactic of getting SDF leadership's hopes up and giving them illusionary leverage won't work. Assad is in no hurry for a deal. The Turks will continue to pick off SDF units in the zone with UCAVs, tanks, artillery and their own TFSA cannon fodder. Russia has declared there aren't any SDF remaining within 30km; while there clearly are. Which means it will neither stop them from advancing, nor protect them. The invasion is building up resolve in the SDF but this resolve will eventually turn to dismay, if they realize they're just losing people in a killing field against a foe that can't be beaten with their means. The SAA is helping them, taking some casualties too; but it's not committing too much - it's enough to build up support for it in SDF territories and for this Damascus has chosen absolutely the correct path, in fighting side by side with the SDF but avoiding direct confrontation with Turkish forces. The US coming back into Syria has given the former ISIS warlords now part of SDF down in DEZ, Raqqa, etc... assurances, and the oil proceeds are going into funding them. They've only in the past week sent reinforcements to the front with Turkey. Although the oil is a lot of money, with the war going on it's not enough for the SDF to really rebuild or invest in new infrastructure. They're an unrecognized parallel government with no formal embassies abroad, no connection to the world financial system, few specialists and industries (although they do have good agricultural land), only US military support and moral support from EU capitals - who will certainly continue to virtue-signal but I doubt they'll contribute much money to them. The PYD can try some provocations against Turkish-Russian patrols, arguably they already are - but they can't go too far, Russia is already making them dependent on it as well as on the US; providing co-ordination of forces, some arms supplies perhaps, lip-service for their plans of quasi-independent statehood, as well as having leverage with Turkey. In short, the SDF is in a corner and they're amateurs at this game to be frank. They can withdraw their forces from the 30km zone and conserve their strength - but that will just make them look like defeatists; as the SAA will continue to operate in that zone and battle the Turkish Islamist proxies. At that stage, many SDF fighters will seriously consider just joining the SAA.

    Turkey has been given carte-blanche by US, NATO to continue to occupy their current 'safe-zone' and continue sniping the SDF troops up to 30km in front of the border. As long as Turkey doesn't try to expand their zone their position is safe and has been legitimized. The UN has even agreed to examine their demographic re-engineering plans, and the Turks will start to return refugees to Syria by force or voluntarily. The Turks can play the game for a long time and are only too happy to pick off who they see as terrorists and grind them down through attrition. They won't leave until the US leaves; as then they know the last leverage of the SDF evaporates and they'll be forced to go along with whatever the Russian proposal for their integration into Syria is.

    Assad can last the longest ultimately. SAA presence in SDF territory will be normalized, he will continue to talk with different factions and groups within it undermining SDF unity, but he won't provoke anyone breaking away and break the agreement. Time is on his side. The SAA will continue to liberate more territory west of the SDF; Idlib, western Aleppo, north Latakia, while rebuilding is already going on in cities ravaged by war. A lot of new investment projects with foreign investors - Chinese, Russians, Iranians, now even Saudi Arabia and gulf states. SAA itself is getting more supplies of Russian vehicles and Russia has announced plans to modernize Syrian airports and overhaul, rebuild the Syrian AD network. Meanwhile, more countries are reopening embassies in Damascus. The government controlled side of Syria will increasingly start to prosper compared to the SDF controlled side which will be drained by war and constant threats of Turkish advances.

    The best time for the SDF to make a deal with Assad is now really. But they insist on far too much. So Assad will wait, Russia will lead them around in circles diplomatically, until they start to attain a more realistic position. If they still don't, then their position will only weaken with time.

    The whole situation is sad but the SDF have boxed themselves in by inviting the US back in and attempting to de-legitimize Damascus with every statement, instead of pushing for dialogue with them. They should have agreed to go along with whatever Russian initiative, forsaken the US and European pals, and focused on priorities - liberating the Turkish occupied areas. Then Russia could have implemented it whether by diplomacy or other means.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:21 am

    neither UAE ,Jordan, Saudi arabia or Qatar are attacked.. only nations allied to Russia..

    The US wont attack countries it already controls.

    It didn't invade Syria for fun or to annoy Russia. They invaded to steal oil and gas in the region and also to deny the same oil and gas resources to Assad.

    It would also mean real competition for Russian oil in Europe too... which is hilarious... the US is more likely to use energy sales to europe as a weapon against europe than Russia... don't you love that irony...

    Look the video i posted.. a former NATO general told it too... That US military was given the order
    to overthrow all those client states that helps Rusia economy in less than a decade before Russia recover . If Assad was aligned
    with Americans the war will not have happened at all.. and US will have bases in Syria.. so what? Russia don't need Syria at all for anything.

    At the time they were attacked by the west both Syria and Libya were in the process of sucking up to the west and turning their backs on Russia... a mistake Gadaffi didn't live to regret... but you can bet your ass Assad learned his lesson.

    The pipelines will have only be created only if they could hurt Russsia economy..

    The whole point of the process was the pipelines to compete against Russia... as they increased the capacity they would demand more and more of Europe to buy the gas from the peace and freedom loving moderate terrorists in the Middle East and to not buy from evil christian white skinned Russians.

    The point is Syria will have not be attacked and Russia will have been bullet proof against Oil prices collapse and US sanctions.. had Russia had a leader with vision ,for a modern economy and civilan high tech .indstry

    They destroyed Libya and it had nothing to do with gas pipes to europe and everything to do with fragmenting oil producing countries.

    They invaded Iraq not specifically to control the oil but safe and secure in the knowledge that if you break a country like Iraq or Syria or Libya, or Venezuela or indeed Iran.... their main source of income is oil so even if everything goes bad for you it doesn't matter because they fix their broken country by pumping oil and as long as they are pumping oil the price stays low which is good for the US economy. In the case of Iraq they can make sure their own companies get the major contracts and make even more money of course but that is the gravy and not the meat.

    Income from oil and gas exports equal less than 5% of Russian government "income", so Putin has had results better than Stalin in turning around the Russian economy, but without the bloodshed and the threats of violence.

    Listen to any western expert talk about him and you know it is pretty much doing everything right to make them hate him so.
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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:00 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    They destroyed Libya and it had nothing to do with gas pipes to europe and everything to do with fragmenting oil producing countries.

    They invaded Iraq not specifically to control the oil but safe and secure in the knowledge that if you break a country like Iraq or Syria or Libya, or Venezuela or indeed Iran.... their main source of income is oil so even if everything goes bad for you it doesn't matter because they fix their broken country by pumping oil and as long as they are pumping oil the price stays low which is good for the US economy. In the case of Iraq they can make sure their own companies get the major contracts and make even more money of course but that is the gravy and not the meat.

    As you say "nothing to do with gas pipes" but whilst it might have been a by product to fracture those countries the main US driver was, in all cases, the decisions to sell oil not in US$ but in Euros or gold. This the US could not allow as it threatened the petrodollar. Ironically we are a few years down the line and Russia, bigger than all of them, is moving away from the US$ for pricing, a much bigger problem for the US where the same 'solution' is not viable.

    Incidentally a further reason in the case of Libya was their decision to use their oil wealth to buy the ex French colonies central banks out of their lock in to the Bank of France. Hence the very active French military activity at the time.

    As to Syria, I suspect it was as much stopping a gas pipeling up from Iran as it was trying to put in power a Government positive to a pipeline up from Qatar. Mind you those two countries seem to have done a deal where, as they share the Pars gas field, it wouldn't matter to them which way the pipeline ran. Now of course there are the potential gas fields south of Cyprus, including in Syrian waters, to factor in.
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