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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:13 pm

    GarryB wrote:...That tug spraying water on the outside surface trying to cool the metal is a little sad...

    Looks like the bridge area is on fire too.... damn...

    Bridge has collapsed

    Landing deck as well yesterday
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:59 pm

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/13/us/uss-bonhomme-richard-fire-monday/index.html

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/34772/uss-bonhomme-richards-bridge-engulfed-in-flames-as-fire-rages-into-the-night

    I wonder why they didn't scuttle it- that would put out the fire before she could be salvaged. Even if they save it now, it'll be too costly to return to service.
    This could be sabotage by some Black/disgruntled sailors. What a disgrace!


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    Post  Isos Mon Jul 13, 2020 6:03 pm

    Why a disgrace ?

    A US carrier not being usable to bomb civilians is a good thing.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Jul 13, 2020 6:14 pm

    From the POV of USN & other navies, after all the previous disasters. The BHR was to insert Marines/SOFs, not bomb civilians sunbathing on the beach or inland.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jul/12/uss-gerald-r-ford-supercarrier-plagued-mechanical-/
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:13 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:From the POV of USN & other navies, after all the previous disasters. The BHR was to insert Marines/SOFs, not bomb civilians sunbathing on the beach or inland.

    BHR roles was only different to bombing, not that the Harriers would be bombing of course, in that the Marines would kill the sunbathers if they got in the away as they went up the beach.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:09 pm

    The sunbathers would be worned by own gov./media & leave long before Marines come ashore. Guns & tourism don't mix! OTH, landing zones may be in more remote areas, away from civilians.
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    Post  Isos Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:26 pm

    Marines would guide the bombers so they are part of the bombing.

    Anyway my remark wasn't about its operational use, just a remark that it's one ship less that US will use against poor countries.
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    Post  Isos Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:27 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:The sunbathers would be worned by own gov./media & leave long before Marines come ashore. Guns & tourism don't mix! OTH, landing zones may be in more remote areas, away from civilians.

    Tell that to french that lived in Normandy back in 1945. They were more killed by US than by germans...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:37 pm

    Large scale amphib. landings r over- helos & tiltrotors will be used instead of LSTs.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landing_Ship,_Tank

    The loss of 1 LHA/D won't make too much of an impact- if need be, those that remain will be kept at sea &/ in service longer.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:51 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Large scale amphib. landings r over- helos & tiltrotors will be used instead of LSTs.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landing_Ship,_Tank

    The loss of 1 LHA/D won't make too much of an impact- if need be, those that remain will be kept at sea &/ in service longer.

    The USN and US Marines are viewing it as a great loss. Given the 'dead time' cycling of these nine ships in and out of repair, R&R and deployment to so many places in the World, I would tend to agree with them.

    With their grandiose plans of risking intervention in at least three areas of the World, perhaps they need to pull their horns in a bit. Maybe they have some problems at home that could do with more attention.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:40 pm

    The fire started in the Lower Vehicle Hold (18) and spread along and up. Is now in the bow. Task now is to stop it sinking on the spot.

    Note that munitions were straight under the fire (14), which may have been the early explosion.


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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:56 pm


    Nobody died and it's not like USN is short on ships or cash so they have that going for them in this situation

    I just can't believe it's still on fire, what is there left to burn after all this time? Modern ships are made of metal
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    Post  George1 Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:32 pm

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:15 am

    Two floors below the fire is an approximate 1M gallons of fuel, presumably diesel for the ship and aviation for the aircraft, unless the latter was pumped out before re-furb. The propulsion are is apparently not believed to be effected. There were Halon flooding areas but some were turned off due to the re-furb, might be why the engines are safe. Lots of builders debris around that slowed access but burnt well, temp around 1000 degrees.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:02 am

    Black smoke means that paint, plastic & electrical insulation r burning.
    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/34801/two-decks-are-thought-to-separate-fire-on-uss-bonhomme-richard-from-1m-gallons-of-fuel

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fire-continues-rage-aboard-navy-ship-san-diego/story?id=71757147

    There will be less direct interventions abroad, so the USN/MC can adjust to make do with less, esp. since US allies have those types of ships too.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:58 pm

    Given the BS from Yankistani sources over the recent tribulations with the Kuznetsov (sinking of PD-50 & subsequent fire) it is pleasing to see a little karma hitting them in the teeth...

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    RIP USS Bonhomme Richard, I wonder if the USN will bother trying to repair her after this.  It looks bad but maybe, like the K, the damage will be less than widely expected (IMHO however, this is the second day of the fire and I expect she may be a right-off).

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    Post  owais.usmani Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:10 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    RIP USS Bonhomme Richard, I wonder if the USN will bother trying to repair her after this.  It looks bad but maybe, like the K, the damage will be less than widely expected (IMHO however, this is the second day of the fire and I expect she may be a right-off).

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    Post  LMFS Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:15 pm

    Just look how it is melting away Embarassed

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    Post  walle83 Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:00 pm

    Well in pure number of vessels a singel Wasp isnt that a big deal for the us navy. Not a single Wasp has so far been retired and 2 America class has been added since 2014.
    I gess they could even reactivate the two Tarawana they still have in reserve, the USS Nassau and the USS Peleliu. The Peleliu was placed in reserve just in 2015 and should be in a ok state.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:36 pm

    Well in pure number of vessels a singel Wasp isnt that a big deal for the us navy. Not a single Wasp has so far been retired and 2 America class has been added since 2014. I guess they could even reactivate the two Tarawana they still have in reserve, the USS Nassau and the USS Peleliu. The Peleliu was placed in reserve just in 2015 and should be in a ok state.
    Ditto. But Trump may just say: to save $, deploy the rest of them less.
    https://ria.ru/20200714/1574333421.html
    https://vz.ru/world/2020/7/14/1049787.print.html


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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:43 pm

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t7140p825-aircraft-carrier-admiral-kuznetsov-news-2#288187

    The USN will either shape up or continue to decline. Too much wasteful spending, corruption, etc. all play a role in it.

    https://news.usni.org/2020/07/14/navy-fighting-2-major-fires-on-uss-bonhomme-richard-as-battle-enters-third-day

    https://gcaptain.com/fire-continues-to-burn-on-uss-bonhomme-richard/


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    Post  Singular_Transform Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:26 pm

    The amphibious assault ships and carriers has minor utility anyway.


    They are nive for the show, but has next to 0 usage in real war.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:42 pm

    If it was true, China, Japan & Russia wouldn't be building them.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:59 am

    They are nive for the show, but has next to 0 usage in real war.

    In a war that is an invasion of Venezuela it would be very useful, but against Russia/China not much use at all as it would be too vulnerable.

    I would normally remove the posts regarding this US ship from this thread but I find it rather interesting as a contrast... when it was a Russian ship burning it was the end of the world and bad procedure and this sort of thing should never be allowed to happen, and why are Russians so useless when it comes to safety procedure and prevention of mistakes... but when it happens in China... they are making heaps so losing one isn't really a problem, and with the US the damn thing is going to be left to burn to the water line but it is all they can afford it, and they are all the navy is still very strong blah blah blah.

    Now these were different situations on totally different ships, but the Russians and Chinese seem to have gotten their blazes under control...

    Perhaps on the American thread about this fire we could discuss fire control methods and why they failed leading to the ship becoming a writeoff.

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t7951p300-us-navy-and-naval-aircraft-news

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    Post  hoom Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:46 am

    The irony is quite delicious.

    Also interesting that the Russians apparently managed to contain their fire to relatively small volume vs the much vaunted US DC has apparently allowed the whole ship to be gutted.
    Note also relevant to K this ship visibly sitting low & listing vs K which was sitting high & even keel after the dry-dock issue.

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