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    Post  PhSt on Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:33 pm

    This has gone too far. now Hong Kong Maidanists want direct US involvement to carve Hong Kong away from China.



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    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:00 pm

    PhSt wrote:This has gone too far. now Hong Kong Maidanists want direct US involvement to carve Hong Kong away from China.



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    Hilarious!!! These clowns just destroyed any credibility they may ever have had with the average working-class HKer, or anyone on the mainland. Uncle Xi has a huge smile right now Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

    Imagine the effect on US public opinion if anti-globalist or anti-Trump/anti-Hillary/anti-friggin anyone protestors has paraded around carrying Russian and Chinese flags? That would be the fastest way possible to BURY their campaign... Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:15 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    PhSt wrote:This has gone too far. now Hong Kong Maidanists want direct US involvement to carve Hong Kong away from China.



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    Hilarious!!!  These clowns just destroyed any credibility they may ever have had with the average working-class HKer, or anyone on the mainland.  Uncle Xi has a huge smile right now  Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

    Imagine the effect on US public opinion if anti-globalist or anti-Trump/anti-Hillary/anti-friggin anyone protestors has paraded around carrying Russian and Chinese flags? That would be the fastest way possible to BURY their campaign...  Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

    These guys are like the Hong Kong equivalent of Antifa, ironically Western Reich-wingers seem to hate Antifa but defend these guys even if they're the same type of mentally deranged people.
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    Post  ATLASCUB on Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:37 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    PhSt wrote:This has gone too far. now Hong Kong Maidanists want direct US involvement to carve Hong Kong away from China.



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    Hilarious!!!  These clowns just destroyed any credibility they may ever have had with the average working-class HKer, or anyone on the mainland.  Uncle Xi has a huge smile right now  Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

    Imagine the effect on US public opinion if anti-globalist or anti-Trump/anti-Hillary/anti-friggin anyone protestors has paraded around carrying Russian and Chinese flags? That would be the fastest way possible to BURY their campaign...  Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

    The difference is that the political and media machinery is the U.S is well oiled and capable of burying it if given such a gift. China's machinery is clearly struggling - even when it's this blatant.
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    Post  PhSt on Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:53 am

    Stinking American PlG press wound't dare show this to the world and will continue to pretend that the violent separatists are still peaceful. Rolling Eyes

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    Post  kvs on Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:32 pm

    PhSt wrote:Stinking American PlG press wound't dare show this to the world and will continue to pretend that the violent separatists are still peaceful.  Rolling Eyes


    China needs to crack down and hard. Following the Yanukovich approach is a guaranteed failure. Who gives a flying f*ck what the
    NATO mass media will report. NATO propaganda is like the boy who cried wolf. If China is some totalitarian hell hole, well then,
    live it up. Smash some pro-NATO skulls.

    BTW, those pro-NATO skulls are clearly acting like terrorists, so they deserve it.

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    Post  par far on Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:08 pm

    kvs wrote:
    PhSt wrote:Stinking American PlG press wound't dare show this to the world and will continue to pretend that the violent separatists are still peaceful.  Rolling Eyes


    China needs to crack down and hard.   Following the Yanukovich approach is a guaranteed failure.   Who gives a flying f*ck what the
    NATO mass media will report.   NATO propaganda is like the boy who cried wolf.  If China is some totalitarian hell hole, well then,
    live it up.   Smash some pro-NATO skulls.

    BTW, those pro-NATO skulls are clearly acting like terrorists, so they deserve it.

     


    China can crack down on this and end it in 24 hours. Why I think they are not doing this is because they want to take the root right out of the soil, they are showing the true intentions of the people that are causing all the problems and damages to the local population and the world.

    What we have seen is that the longer this goes on the more violent the Zionist sponsored rioters become and I think this plays into China's hands. The intentions of this violence is to provoke China into sending it military police and military but China is too smart for this. The longer this goes on, the more clearer the intentions of the rioters became and this helps China.

    The AngloZionists think that in 250 years they have mastered soft power but what they don't know is that China has a history of doing it for over thousands of years.
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    Post  ATLASCUB on Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:57 am

    Certainly not in the century of shame.... where they literally got colonized by foreign colonial powers. Hong Kong being a reminder of that, every single day.

    They'll get smarter and more efficient in dealing with these things. They certainly have the brain power. As long as their economy continues its pace they're ok.

    Got curbstomped in Bolivia as well - gonna need that tiny island known as Cuba as always - so do the Russians. The Chinese have a lot to learn from Russia in playing geopolitical games with the empire, and Russia is merely an example of do's and certainly don'ts.
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    Post  George1 on Thu May 28, 2020 12:07 am

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    Post  George1 on Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:32 pm

    Attempts to use the UN Security Council to discuss the situation around Hong Kong show that the US is trying to "settle the score" with China, Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said during a briefing on Thursday.

    https://tass.com/politics/1164225
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:07 pm

    Man, i am in the minority hear.
    The laws that China is trying to push to HK is really messed up.
    Being spirited away by China's whim is crazy.

    Granted i am ware that this is probly a lost cause for HK given their very Geography.
    People who aren't interested in this should leave HK, it's high time to pull out.

    And yes, the same must be said for Taiwan, China will deal with them eventually as well.
    Their is no 2 ways around this.

    So yea, the U.S is trying to make good on this situation to mess with China, but it doesn't take away on how messed up this is.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:34 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:Man, i am in the minority hear.
    The laws that China is trying to push to HK is really messed up.
    Being spirited away by China's whim is crazy.

    What are you even talking about? To have a extradition treaty with the Mainland, when they have extradition treaties with everyone else? Hong Kong has long been a zone where organized crime syndicates (such as the Triad) have flourished....ever since the British Empire trafficked opium (not democracy) in to China. It's amusing how people bring up the non-existent democracy under British rule, and pretend like the Opium wars never happened.

    BTW, I've seen enough of your posts to get your ideological standing. Your the type of guy who gets frustrated at Antifa operating in Europe....but just like Trump you pretend like Antifa (and US intelligence) isn't behind the crisis in Hong Kong, showing all kinds of sympathy for them in a sanctimonious hypocritical way. Rolling Eyes You can't have it both ways buddy.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:37 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:Man, i am in the minority hear.
    The laws that China is trying to push to HK is really messed up.
    Being spirited away by China's whim is crazy...

    Well that's what was in the contract

    Hong Kong was perfectly happy to be a British colony and unconditionally do what it was told but it also meant adhering to any contract the master signed regarding their fate

    Problem with modern day Hong Kong is not the fact that China wants it's property back but that they are absolutely unwilling to leverage their strategic position to greatly improve their future standing as a part of PRC and reason for this is good old Asian concept of high and low class

    Hong Kong considers British, Americans, Japanese and others to be high class which makes it okay to be ruled by them

    Taiwan is considered same class

    Mainland Chinese (alongside many other Asian states) are considered to be low class which makes idea of being ruled by PRC absolutely unacceptable because according to Hong Kong locals it's them who should rule over Mainland Chinese as members of high class on behalf of even higher class (British or Americans)

    If they wanted to they could be one of head honchos of PRC but their own ego is getting in the way


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    Post  nomadski on Fri Jun 05, 2020 8:40 pm

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-china-49317695

    By agreement, this  territory was to have own system of laws. By agreement this was to be one country. There is an apparent contradiction here. One states the present state of affairs. The other, the future aims. But how to reconcile this apparent contradiction.

    If the two territories are to unify into one state, then this has to be a planned, and gradual and methodical way . Irrespective of individual differences and political systems, then a mixing or homogenisation must take place. But it is the Art of knowing, how much to mix, and when and how.

    If the most populous state, is to admit elements from the less populous state, as political bodies. And the less populous state is to do the same. Then it is a matter of proportion. If populations were equal. Then fifty percent of political bodies, should represent the other. In their parliaments. This will allow for gradual and proportionate homogenisation of laws. And unification.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:24 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:BTW, I've seen enough of your posts to get your ideological standing. Your the type of guy who gets frustrated at Antifa operating in Europe....but just like Trump you pretend like Antifa (and US intelligence) isn't behind the crisis in Hong Kong, showing all kinds of sympathy for them in a sanctimonious hypocritical way. Rolling Eyes You can't have it both ways buddy.

    The hell are you on about?

    HK is what happens when authoritarianism takes over, no sh%t there's gonna be some resistance towards this.
    And i am also not one of those guys that think the CIA is responsible for everything, like they were Illuminati.
    Are they feeding this fire, yes.
    Did they start this fire, no.

    Well sorry for showing pity, for the people who will soon be under the whip of the Communist party.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:04 am

    Man, i am in the minority hear.
    The laws that China is trying to push to HK is really messed up.
    Being spirited away by China's whim is crazy.

    Are you suggesting the Chinese might allow HK to have extradition laws to the US but not to China?

    Being spirited away on Washingtons whim is vastly more likely and a much more common occurrence world wide...

    Granted i am ware that this is probly a lost cause for HK given their very Geography.
    People who aren't interested in this should leave HK, it's high time to pull out.

    Well indeed, but what exactly has changed?

    In the past they were ruled from afar by people they don't get to vote for that are appointed by foreigners... At least China is rule by Chinese people... so ethnically the same race as them.

    And yes, the same must be said for Taiwan, China will deal with them eventually as well.
    Their is no 2 ways around this.

    And why shouldn't they... Are the people of Hawaii free to do anything they please? Anything at all?

    How about the people of Guam?

    Or the Marshall Islands?

    Were the people of Australia given a vote to decide whether mother Britain could test nuclear weapons in their country?

    So yea, the U.S is trying to make good on this situation to mess with China, but it doesn't take away on how messed up this is.

    Stop drinking the Kool aide buddy... these people never had freedom or democracy... their governers were appointed... they were a colony... and used to launder money in the region...

    Mainland Chinese (alongside many other Asian states) are considered to be low class which makes idea of being ruled by PRC absolutely unacceptable because according to Hong Kong locals it's them who should rule over Mainland Chinese as members of high class on behalf of even higher class (British or Americans)

    If they wanted to they could be one of head honchos of PRC but their own ego is getting in the way

    And the funny thing is that 20 years ago they were rich and China was poor.... now there are probably 20 cities in China with much better planning and newer buildings and more money than Hong Kong and Hong Kong isn't the glittering prize it used to be... now it is just getting annoying and bolshy... it is about the only times the US and UK support protests over human rights... they do everything they can to stop them domestically...

    HK is what happens when authoritarianism takes over, no sh%t there's gonna be some resistance towards this.

    Under British rule there was no democracy...

    Well sorry for showing pity, for the people who will soon be under the whip of the Communist party.

    Amusing... the rest of China seems to be prospering and growing and developing under that whip... unlike the UK which seems to be faltering and fading... perhaps Britain can make things better by offering British passports to all Hong Kong residents who want to leave... as long as they have more than a million dollars in their bank accounts of course...
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:22 pm

    The hell is this "the Brits are just as bad" nonsense.

    At the end of the day China is an Authoritarian country, period.
    Don't give me this "their all just as bad" Koolaid.

    And yes Taiwan is next, why?.. geography.

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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:42 pm

    It is bullshit to say that England is as bad, it is actually far worse. Incomparably worse, in every given way.
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    Post  Aristide on Sat Jun 06, 2020 9:19 pm

    Hongkong has a western mentality due to its british past and will not accept chinese primitivism. Thats a simple fact.

    For the very same reason i would never accept to live under circumstances like in Russia or other of that kind.

    In France individualism rules. I would never allow anyone to tell me where i can travel or follow some idiotic dogma.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:01 pm

    Aristide wrote:For the very same reason i would never accept to live under circumstances like in Russia or other of that kind...

    Immigrant camp has far inferior circumstances than Russia and yet you still accept to live there lol1

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:39 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:BTW, I've seen enough of your posts to get your ideological standing. Your the type of guy who gets frustrated at Antifa operating in Europe....but just like Trump you pretend like Antifa (and US intelligence) isn't behind the crisis in Hong Kong, showing all kinds of sympathy for them in a sanctimonious hypocritical way. Rolling Eyes You can't have it both ways buddy.

    The hell are you on about?

    HK is what happens when authoritarianism takes over, no sh%t there's gonna be some resistance towards this.
    And i am also not one of those guys that think the CIA is responsible for everything, like they were Illuminati.
    Are they feeding this fire, yes.
    Did they start this fire, no.

    Well sorry for showing pity, for the people who will soon be under the whip of the Communist party.

    You haven't denied that you support Antifa in Hong Kong, thanks for the confirmation AntifaT8! Wink
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jun 07, 2020 5:34 am

    The hell is this "the Brits are just as bad" nonsense.

    It matches the theme... if the Soviets were just as bad as the Nazis and Imperial Japan is goes as read that Imperial Britain and Imperial France and Imperial Europe and Imperial America are also bad too doesn't it?

    At the end of the day China is an Authoritarian country, period.
    Don't give me this "their all just as bad" Koolaid.

    But does it have military bases on over 800 countries... does it bomb countries that do not bend to its will?

    Previously it was Russia was bad... now it is China and they want Russia to help... and they can bugger off.

    And yes Taiwan is next, why?.. geography.

    Of course Taiwan is next... but not because China is evil... China is happy to wait things out... it is British and US meddling in Hong Kong that is causing the problems there and when that issue is solved by China they will turn to agitate in Taiwan next... they are doing the same to Russia in Georgia and Ukraine and now Belarus and the former Soviet republics like the baltic states.

    Are you going to tell me Russia is the problem there?

    In France individualism rules. I would never allow anyone to tell me where i can travel or follow some idiotic dogma.

    But you are aren't you? You have already said you would rather be in some tropical paradise instead of the shithole that is France... why are you not living the dream?

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    Post  Aristide on Sun Jun 07, 2020 5:49 am

    GarryB wrote:
    The hell is this "the Brits are just as bad" nonsense.

    It matches the theme... if the Soviets were just as bad as the Nazis and Imperial Japan is goes as read that Imperial Britain and Imperial France and Imperial Europe and Imperial America are also bad too doesn't it?

    At the end of the day China is an Authoritarian country, period.
    Don't give me this "their all just as bad" Koolaid.

    But does it have military bases on over 800 countries... does it bomb countries that do not bend to its will?

    Previously it was Russia was bad... now it is China and they want Russia to help... and they can bugger off.

    And yes Taiwan is next, why?.. geography.

    Of course Taiwan is next... but not because China is evil... China is happy to wait things out... it is British and US meddling in Hong Kong that is causing the problems there and when that issue is solved by China they will turn to agitate in Taiwan next... they are doing the same to Russia in Georgia and Ukraine and now Belarus and the former Soviet republics like the baltic states.

    Are you going to tell me Russia is the problem there?

    In France individualism rules. I would never allow anyone to tell me where i can travel or follow some idiotic dogma.

    But you are aren't you? You have already said you would rather be in some tropical paradise instead of the shithole that is France... why are you not living the dream?


    What?

    New Caledonia is France.

    Gary whats going on with you?
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:19 pm

    Garry, i don't give a damn about your apologist and whataboutisms.
    At the end of the day China is a sh%t communist country, don't this "merica bad too" crap.

    I have enough problems with a government that's getting too much power, but one that can do whatever it pleases like China is even more terrifying.
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    Post  Aristide on Sun Jun 07, 2020 4:44 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:Garry, i don't give a damn about your apologist and whataboutisms.
    At the end of the day China is a sh%t communist country, don't this "merica bad too" crap.

    I have enough problems with a government that's getting too much power, but one that can do whatever it pleases like China is even more terrifying.

    You make the mistake to take him serious. He means it in a satirical way. He once said Venezuela has a better healthcare system then the UK and that Kim Jong Un is a prime example for a good statesmen.

    When you read his posts with that knowledge you understand what fine satire it is.

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