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    Post  GarryB Sat Dec 12, 2020 4:01 am

    Yeah, I don't see that as a welfare thing...

    In a communist country you don't own your house, so in effect what he was asking for was a place to live while he worked and served the state... even a prisoner gets a prison cell... do you think prisoners are spoiled with their 3x4 cell?

    Considering people who don't own houses in the west probably spend more than half their income on rent I would think state run houses makes sense, as long as it is managed properly which it never is.

    Different cultures think differently... in the west it is a race most of the time to get into your own place... you start as a renter in a flat with other renters and then you eventually find a partner and you rent together and if it gets serious you save to get a deposit to buy and then for the next 40 years you live in a house owned by your bank while you pay them off...

    In some countries you don't rent you live with your parents or your partners parents and save up much faster and you buy a house... but while you are saving you have built in baby sitters... and then when you buy your house your parents can retire and sell their house if you didn't buy it from them and they come to live with you and baby sit...

    The two real killers in western society is the price of houses and the price of child care...

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:46 am

    GarryB wrote:Yeah, I don't see that as a welfare thing...

    In a communist country you don't own your house, so in effect what he was asking for was a place to live while he worked and served the state... even a prisoner gets a prison cell... do you think prisoners are spoiled with their 3x4 cell?

    Considering people who don't own houses in the west probably spend more than half their income on rent I would think state run houses makes sense, as long as it is managed properly which it never is.

    Different cultures think differently... in the west it is a race most of the time to get into your own place... you start as a renter in a flat with other renters and then you eventually find a partner and you rent together and if it gets serious you save to get a deposit to buy and then for the next 40 years you live in a house owned by your bank while you pay them off...

    In some countries you don't rent you live with your parents or your partners parents and save up much faster and you buy a house... but while you are saving you have built in baby sitters... and then when you buy your house your parents can retire and sell their house if you didn't buy it from them and they come to live with you and baby sit...

    The two real killers in western society is the price of houses and the price of child care...
    in Italy it was that in the past (even if it was laughed by some northern European countries). Actually now the problem is not that 20 and something stay at their parents house, but that they do not create their own family and do not have children.
    Next generation we will have maybe half of the italian population if we continue like that.

    But I can fully understand what you meant there. Neither I or my wife have family in the country were we live, and with small children it is not easy.
    Some if my acquaintances here decided to buy an apartment, but the prices are now way too high, and basically they got 30 years mortgages to pay for it.
    And in addition they had to move to a different (and less nice) areas of the city, because the prices of apartments were they rented before was even higher.

    I had to buy something, I would prefer maybe a house with a garden.

    Anyway, as you were pointing out, if you get a mortgage it is not your house, it is the bank's house, and you have to pay renovations and work yourself. Furthermore when you'll have finished paying it will be in need of serious renovation work.
    If you add that you'll have to pay also a sum upfront, basically canceling your savings and that since you have a mortgage it will be really difficult to get loans in case you want to start some work activity or so...

    At the end, buying is good if you have the money and or you can pay it with a relatively short term mortgage, AND, if you buy at a decent price. Currently the prices (at least where I live) are way too high, so you risk incurring large debt to get a house that in 5 years could lose 1/3 of the value (it happened to some friends in Italy)
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    Post  kvs Sat Dec 12, 2020 4:46 pm

    The question about our house was pure nonsense and not any sort of objective one. The expectation of the humans who are
    given everything that matters for free is that one gets those things for free. They also develop an entitlement complex where
    if they actually have to work to earn money to buy them or get any the skills to get the jobs they want, then they get resentful.

    It is funny how Posner is attacking Russians 30 years after the death of the USSR. He may have had some valid reason to do
    so back in 1989. But I remember him never doing something like that back then. So the "sheeple" are to be brow beaten only
    if they do not obey. Posner likes them dependent and under control.

    There was a reason communism failed. It did not deal with real human psychology. This fact cannot be fobbed off.



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    Post  kvs Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:23 am



    Some Polish dipshit went off on a rant that Russia will be able to invade any EU country after Nord Stream II is finished.
    Because it will not be dependent on land transit for its gas. This clown and similar is why stupid Pole jokes exist.

    Some yanqui admiral yapped that Russia is going out of bounds by securing itself in the Arctic and "threatens" US ships.
    Of course thus c*nt did not actually provide an real examples of Russia threatening ships. If Russia harasses some US
    tub violating its maritime borders and engaging "in your face" saber rattling, that does not count as a threat you stupid
    fuck. Bullies may try to write the rules, but this crap is pure intellectual insult. This windbag actually invoked the
    US EEZ as de facto territory and claimed that US fishing boats were threatened just because they were in the region
    of recent Russian naval exercises. Yet these turds send their tubs to violate Russia's borders because Russia is "claiming
    too much maritime territory" as they did near Vladivostok. These pathological liars ignore that such "irregular" claims
    occur in various bays around the world. It was the yanquis themselves that played games with misinformation to their
    own fishermen to generate fear.

    The yanquis are bitching that Russia has deployed Bastion coastal defense systems in the Bering Strait region and
    this can "coerce" shipping "preventing free passage" through the North Sea Route. At the same time these bitching
    yanquis manage to attack China. This is some epic drivel. The US does not need the NSR but China does. So
    the "concerns" of these bitches are phony at best and actually are malicious BS. The yanquis have ambitions of running
    the NSR like the run the Panama and Suez Canals. The yanqui blackmail mafia is acting the victim when it sees little
    chance of running its racket in the NSR.

    Poland has a debt of Euro 400 billion to the EU lenders that fluffed up its economy over the last 20 years.
    Recall all the bitching about Russia's foreign debt (private and public) and consider that the current population
    of Poland is 38 million and in Russia it is 146 million. Russia's total debt has gone down to under 400 billion US
    dollars. Approximating 400 billion euro for both, Russia has 26% of the debt per capita of Poland and can pay it off
    all at once just with its reserves. Any serious evaluation of the Polish economy puts it in the same debt bubble
    as Greece and it will experience a similar bursting sometime soon.








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    Post  flamming_python Sun Dec 20, 2020 9:38 pm

    kvs wrote:

    Demented Ukr historical revisionists are claiming that borsch is an exclusively Ukrainian food.  
    This is exactly the sort of inane stealing of Russian history that these nazionlist fucks engage in.
    So anything before 1990 that was Russian has become magically Ukrainian.  

    BTW, Poland has a type of borsch too, does Banderastan claim it for itself as well?   And
    Borsch historically extends through a large part of northern Asia.   Of course all the NATzO
    sources are helping Ukr nazionalists by hyping up the "fact" that it did not originate in
    Russia.   Well, Ukraine is a historical fiction that sits on the land of Kievan Rus.

    In the video, Ostashko gives an example of the annual battle for borsch when Ukr svidomites
    start piling on some social media post with borsch in it.   Here we had some Russian comedian
    likely innocently posting a photo of his borsch plate and a storm of svidomite hate ensued
    with 7,000 haters trying to piss on him.   The interesting thing is not all of these nazionalist
    revisionist losers but the Russian posters.   All of them were making fun of the Ukr idiots.
    There were no mobs of svidomite liberast Russians supporting the Ukr revisionism.  

    NATzO has lost the battle for Russian hearts and minds.   Its only choice as wannabe rulers
    of the planet is to wage a war of extermination.   I think the Russian leadership understands
    this fact.


    Borsch is Ukrainian in origin, but has been a staple dish in Russia proper for centuries too, at this point there are Russian, Ukrainian, Polish variants of Borsch and they have slight differences from one another

    Yet when you're making Ukrainian borsch you call it that. Where's the appropriation or what not?
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    Post  George1 Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:20 pm

    Czech Republic expels 18 Russian diplomats - First Deputy Prime Minister

    https://tass.com/world/1279435
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:27 pm

    George1 wrote:Czech Republic expels 18 Russian diplomats - First Deputy Prime Minister

    https://tass.com/world/1279435

    Time to ban Czucked commercial aircraft, and goods from using Russian airspace and territory. Don't settle on a 6 month ban, or a 1 year ban, or a 5/10 year ban...give them a full 25 year (quarter-century) ban because of their mental-midget belligerence. Companies knowingly transporting Czucked contraband will have those goods permanently confiscated, and will be fined 1000% of the value of the contraband.

    Because The Czucked Republic's largest resource is young whores for the European pornography industry (a full 2% of their adult female population have participated in the pornography industry at one point), it has very few real options available. The loss of it's goods and commercial airfare won't be much of a loss for Russia, but it would be a massive loss for the Czucked Republic if they lose cost-effective access to Asia. Finding alternate routes to Asia means all the expenses will be passed on to their customers, and making their goods and services less attractive.  

    The Federation could even go further. They could cut a deal with China that only the PRC's services could be used to transport goods from nations with commercial probation (The Czucked Republic, perhaps Bullshitgaria next, etc.) but they have to pay a price mark up of 300% (in which Russia is kicked back 50% of the mark up) as a 'tax' on services rendered.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:40 pm

    George1 wrote:Czech Republic expels 18 Russian diplomats - First Deputy Prime Minister

    https://tass.com/world/1279435

    Expel 18 Czechs and call it a day

    At some point someone will run out of diplomats

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    Post  kvs Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:17 am

    Expel 18 + 9. There has to be a 50% penalty for posturing for the purposes of instigating WWIII. Chuckyland was the victim running up to
    WWII now it is trying to be the victimizer.

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    Post  PhSt Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:32 am

    Could be a kind of diversion in an attempt to blurry the recently thwarted assassination plot against Lukashenko. The American lapdogs need to be taught a tough lesson, Russia needs to expel 2x more Czech diplomats from Russia and enjoy watching the Czech lapdogs bitch and squirm attack

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    Post  GarryB Sun Apr 18, 2021 6:31 am

    Anyway, as you were pointing out, if you get a mortgage it is not your house, it is the bank's house, and you have to pay renovations and work yourself. Furthermore when you'll have finished paying it will be in need of serious renovation work.

    The stark reality today though is that interest rates in banks are pathetic... if you saved up 50K in the 1980s here and put it in the bank you might have 80-90K by now, but in the 1980s 50K (which by the way is an enormous amount of money back then... that would easily buy you a house), could have bought about 10 lake front properties in Wanaka... I am talking empty sections here...

    Today that 5K dollar section would be worth more than half a million dollars, so if you kept them all you would be looking at about 5 million dollars.

    So despite the bank owning your home till you pay off the loan, the value of the house will only increase, and if you do it right the loan payments will work out less than you would pay if you were renting, so it certainly does make sense.

    The question about our house was pure nonsense and not any sort of objective one. The expectation of the humans who are
    given everything that matters for free is that one gets those things for free.

    But getting free accommodation based on the job you get (ie location) that is provided by the government is not really free because it is not really yours.

    Also government provided homes are generic and utilitarian and certainly not something you would be allowed to renovate or upgrade yourself.

    Government provided housing would come in a range of types in specific locations for specific purposes... you would have houses for workers in forests or farms that would be located near those forests and farm, as well as houses for government workers near their place of work, and of course retirement homes for people no longer working.

    Each type of house would be optimised for the intended occupant, but there would not be a huge variety of designs... as I said simple and utilitarian.

    Houses for young families and workers might have gardens and areas of grass, but for retirement villages such things cost money to get someone in to maintain them.

    When I was growing up most families owned a crib.... a holiday home... they were often fairly basic and out in places you would go holidaying.

    These days they are bought as investments and are too expensive to own and leave empty 8-10 months of the year.

    There was a reason communism failed. It did not deal with real human psychology. This fact cannot be fobbed off.

    Democracy is clearly not working either... it has become a popularity contest with the candidates looking more and more like gameshow hosts, who pretend they are wanting to lead a ship and head to clear flat waters where everyone can make good progress to their destination... but the politicians on both sides don't care about voters, they care about the very rich who pay their bills and control the media and therefore also the people.

    Some Polish dipshit went off on a rant that Russia will be able to invade any EU country after Nord Stream II is finished.

    Russia can already invade any EU country, but what would be the point... they all seem to be full of Nazi sympathisers... better to just destroy them rather than invade.

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    Post  kvs Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:16 am

    Russia is showing that removing the system was worth it. A mixed economy not sitting on some ideological house of cards is the
    best solution. Things would have been much better in Russia during the 1990s if it was not swimming in a lake of piranhas. It
    was compromised from the inside by its enemies and flooded with imports that nearly succeeded in destroying its industry.
    But by 1998 there was a collective realization that laissez-faire was BS and a dead end.

    I would not call what the west has any sort of democracy. It is a collection of oligarchies that have polished the rituals of
    democracy. All the real decisions are made by star chambers. The politicians and parties are circus clown acts. By contrast,
    Russia's government is actually acting like it represents the people and not some clique of puppet masters. I don't know,
    perhaps after a certain period of time Russia will devolve into the western rot mode. This is a problem of humans and society
    and not any particular country or ethnic group. The "I, Claudius" TV series based on the book same titled book touches on these
    themes. The rot is always progressive and some sort of reset is required to clear it out. The west is in the advanced rot
    stages.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Apr 18, 2021 2:05 pm

    Suddenly it all makes sense

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    This explains a lot.

    "Participation of the Russian state corporation "Rosatom" in the tender for the construction of a new power unit at the Dukovany NPP in the south-east of the Czech Republic seems unlikely" - Deputy Prime Minister of the country Karel Gavlicek, Media

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    Post  George1 Sun Apr 18, 2021 3:39 pm

    what a f..k?

    The Czech Republic accused the Russian Federation of an explosion at a military warehouse in 2014 and put Petrov and Boshirov on the wanted list

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    Post  kvs Sun Apr 18, 2021 4:00 pm

    George1 wrote:what a f..k?

    The Czech Republic accused the Russian Federation of an explosion at a military warehouse in 2014 and put Petrov and Boshirov on the wanted list


    This is a clear case of a US minion being given the task to smear Russia. The US can claim that Russia is evil because so many accusations are hurled against it.
    Why the fcuk would Russia need to blow up some warehouse in Chuckyland? What purpose does that serve?

    This is the exact same BS as with the Skripals and Nahalny. Russia has no motive, but that does not count. In the demented western propaganda space
    crimes do not require motive. They are pure reflex behaviour by the "bad guys".

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    Post  kvs Sun Apr 18, 2021 4:02 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Suddenly it all makes sense

    Victor
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    This explains a lot.

    "Participation of the Russian state corporation "Rosatom" in the tender for the construction of a new power unit at the Dukovany NPP in the south-east of the Czech Republic seems unlikely" - Deputy Prime Minister of the country Karel Gavlicek, Media

    Their loss and not Russia's. Chuckyland can spend 2-3 times more billions of dollars to get inferior tech.

    Russia should embargo NATzO members. It should not give them any economic stimulus. Russia does not need NATzO customers.

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    Post  Hole Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:07 pm

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    Petrov/Boshirov in New York a few years ago...

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    Post  The_Observer Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:45 am

    Russia expellees 20 Czech Embassy officials

    PRAGUE, April 18. /TASS/. Five diplomats will continue to work at the Czech embassy in Moscow after Russia declared 20 embassy employees personae non grata, Rudolf Jindrak, head of the foreign department of the Czech president’s office, said on Sunday.

    "Five diplomats will stay there [at the Czech embassy in Moscow]. People who are to leave [Russia] are not agents [of Czech intelligence services]. They have 24 hours to leave [Russia] whereas we gave [employees of the Russian embassy] 48 hours," he said, adding that practically all employees of the embassy’s political department are to leave Russia.

    He also said he did not understand why the Russian side had expelled by two diplomats more than the Czech side.

    Czech First Deputy Prime Minister Jan Hamacek, who is also acting foreign minister, said that among those expelled from Russia were 16 diplomats and four technical personnel. The Czech air force will organize a special flight for them. "Ambassador [Vitezslav] Pivonka will stay in Moscow," he said.

    Seriously loled at the bolded parts Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Backman Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:39 am

    kvs wrote:
    George1 wrote:what a f..k?

    The Czech Republic accused the Russian Federation of an explosion at a military warehouse in 2014 and put Petrov and Boshirov on the wanted list


    This is a clear case of a US minion being given the task to smear Russia.   The US can claim that Russia is evil because so many accusations are hurled against it.
    Why the fcuk would Russia need to blow up some warehouse in Chuckyland?   What purpose does that serve?

    This is the exact same BS as with the Skripals and Nahalny.   Russia has no motive, but that does not count.   In the demented western propaganda space
    crimes do not require motive.   They are pure reflex behaviour by the "bad guys".


    Is there any evidence or half truths here or are they completely fabricating an incident ? Odds are its a complete fabrication. 

    These small countries don't matter anymore. So they have to do something to get noticed. 

    It's quite insulting for Russia that countries are fabricating incidents just to take a swipe. Russia needs to find a new strategy for dealing with this.

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    Post  Backman Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:42 am

    kvs wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Suddenly it all makes sense

    Victor
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    This explains a lot.

    "Participation of the Russian state corporation "Rosatom" in the tender for the construction of a new power unit at the Dukovany NPP in the south-east of the Czech Republic seems unlikely" - Deputy Prime Minister of the country Karel Gavlicek, Media

    Their loss and not Russia's.   Chuckyland can spend 2-3 times more billions of dollars to get inferior tech.    

    Russia should embargo NATzO members.   It should not give them any economic stimulus.   Russia does not need NATzO customers.

    As far as I can tell from Twitter , Russia was never going to get this contract anyway.

    Russia has 39 nuclear plant projects on the go. The US and China have a combined 15.

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    Post  lancelot Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:54 am

    Russia had given 72 hours for the US embassy folks to leave, then the Czechs gave the Russian embassy folks 48 hours, and now the Russians give the Czechs 24 hours to leave. I can see where this is going to.

    Perhaps the Russians should do like the North Koreans did recently where foreign staff had to push a rail cart over the border with their stuff to leave. Lol.

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    Post  kvs Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:05 am

    Backman wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    George1 wrote:what a f..k?

    The Czech Republic accused the Russian Federation of an explosion at a military warehouse in 2014 and put Petrov and Boshirov on the wanted list


    This is a clear case of a US minion being given the task to smear Russia.   The US can claim that Russia is evil because so many accusations are hurled against it.
    Why the fcuk would Russia need to blow up some warehouse in Chuckyland?   What purpose does that serve?

    This is the exact same BS as with the Skripals and Nahalny.   Russia has no motive, but that does not count.   In the demented western propaganda space
    crimes do not require motive.   They are pure reflex behaviour by the "bad guys".


    Is there any evidence or half truths here or are they completely fabricating an incident ? Odds are its a complete fabrication. 

    These small countries don't matter anymore. So they have to do something to get noticed. 

    It's quite insulting for Russia that countries are fabricating incidents just to take a swipe. Russia needs to find a new strategy for dealing with this.

    The only plausible way that any incident in 2014 would involve Russia was if Russia was sabotaging the transfer of former Warsaw pact
    weapons and munitions to the Kiev regime.    But then that would require Russia to blow up dozens of warehouses and trains in several
    NATO member states.   That would be like the start of WWIII.

    1) Hitting one dump has zero value if you are not going to hit them all.

    2) Attacking military targets inside NATO is suicidal.

    The most likely situation was that the morons set off past-expiry-date munitions themselves by accident and are trying to pin it
    on Russia.   Modern propaganda is designed by imbeciles for imbeciles.

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    Post  lyle6 Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:17 am

    Around that time lots of Eastern European countries are busy offloading cold war stocks of arms and ammo to the Syrian and Libyan quagmires. No surprise if they accidentally burnt some other their own stockpiles to cover up illicit transfers.

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    Post  Backman Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:33 am

    ^But it's impossible for Russia to defend itself. Everyone except people like us , have zero doubt that big bad Russia did this. How would they know any different ?

    Where does this end ? They are driving Russia's reputation ever lower. Russia might as well be making real moves if they will just make them up anyway.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:12 am

    The Czech diplomats don't need as much warning as the Russian diplomats because the Czech government likely gave their own diplomats advanced warning of the expulsion of the Russian diplomats... so they already knew some were going home... just not how many and when.

    Funny how after western countries make up shit to punish Russia they act all surprised when Russia responds in kind, but I like the fact that in this case they are expelling more than the Czechs are... they are the innocent party here and the victim of mob justice, so of course the response must be worse.

    Maybe a real escalation is needed... close the Russian Embassy in the Czech republic and withdraw all the staff and close the Czech embassy in Russia and tell them they can come back when they are grown ups.

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