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    Demented Central-Eastern European "Countries"

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    Post  kvs on Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:13 pm



    Latvia has succeeded in killing off its final factory for sprat processing. This factory was established in 1892 and survived until now through
    all sorts of tribulations.

    It is apparent from this incident and the related ones that the nazionalist regime in Latvia is cleansing out all of the "Soviet" legacy and in
    this case the added bonus is that they get rid of the Jew owner who has left to live in Israel instead of dealing with the harassment. This
    tells me that the nazionalists think they can resurrect the destroyed factories and industries or establish all new ones with a flick of their fingers.
    These clowns are totally retarded, and not just semi-functional autistics. There will be nothing arising from their finger flicking other than
    the noise made by their fingers.

    And there won't be any EU welfare either. The EU is bleeding red and spiraling the toilet bowl just like its owner Uncle Swine-shit.



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    Post  nomadski on Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:56 pm

    What I noticed about Eastern Europeans, is the large amount of social problems and social breakdown. I tried to link this to economic poverty. But noticed that they are not the poorest in Europe, or indeed the world. But they top the ranks in child neglect and abuse. I think there is a poverty of spirit or morality. No firm adherence to moralistic ideas. Perhaps by the church or social or political bodies. It is this, that is leading Eastern Europe to their troubles. Starting from Lithuania down to Bulgaria. Poland is the centre. Are they protestant? Maybe why, the English like them so much. And why the English always play the wicked part in American movies!
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    Post  Hole on Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:26 pm

    Poles are catholic.
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    Post  kvs on Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:38 am

    nomadski wrote:What I noticed about Eastern Europeans, is the large amount of social problems and social breakdown. I tried to link this to economic poverty. But noticed that they are not the poorest in Europe, or indeed the world. But they top the ranks in child neglect and abuse. I think there is a poverty of spirit or morality. No firm adherence to moralistic ideas. Perhaps by the church or social or political bodies. It is this, that is leading Eastern Europe to their troubles. Starting from Lithuania down to Bulgaria. Poland is the centre. Are they protestant?  Maybe why, the English like them so much. And why the English always play the wicked part in American movies!

    The clowns in charge of Latvia are composed of a large part of western diaspora who were never "communized". So they are whatever religion (Catholic or Protestant)
    that is common in Latvia historically. The real problem here is the 5th column political whore nature of these clowns. They are agents of foreign powers and not
    real nationalists.

    But you have hit on an important observation. Communism created aggressive welfare bums with an entitlement syndrome. Humans are really pathetic and the fact
    that the system was subsidizing these regions and giving people jobs and housing for which they really did not have to work, generated unrealistic expectations. So
    many to this day think that they can get rich if they join the NATzO club.

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    Post  nomadski on Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:40 am

    If we could find the cause of this Eastern European disease, then we could cure it.  This rotten Apple grows, identically in all these regions. The same extremism. The same politics. Located in a distinct geographical area. A band of territory from North to South. Therefore these rotten Apples grow on the same tree. What factor, unites these territories?  Climatic, historic, developmental ?

    Subcidized economy, during soviet times, does not explain it. Many other regions with the same conditions. But without the disease. Isolated historic events, only apply to a single region. Not to the whole region. And as you said, there is a mix of religions. We need to find one or more uniform factors, in a restricted geographical area.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Tue Sep 22, 2020 6:23 pm

    At least in case of Poland it's mostly history.

    Poland for 1000 years had it's own history of statehood, being a major power and a culture that for significant periods of time was more developed than Russian one. They aren't some Nenets tribesmen who own their entire civilization to Russia.

    Poles tend to see Russian political culture as barbaric and unsophisticated and to see modern Russia as a continuation of Tsarist absolutism. The Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth in the early modern era had (nominally at least) 10% of it's population with the right to vote which was surpassed in Britain in 1830s.
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    Post  nomadski on Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:03 pm


    This may explain, why the poles or Lithuanians exert their own national identity. Against one where this identity, is expressed by means of an amalgamated Russian or soviet culture. After collapse of Soviets, the CIS was formed. Each region identifies strongly with own national culture.

    But the problem is not soviet or Russian domination. Not anymore. The problem is the rise of extremist right wing politics. Why did the poles open their territory for American rendition flights, for unknown persons, captured in ME? They knew there would be torture. Against people, the poles had no war. Was it simply money? But I think it is more than that. A lack of morality. A degeneration. Not elevated democratic politics.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:21 pm

    Poland has strong positive ties with US. Polish generals fought in the US war of independece, in 1918 US supported Polish independence and in 1980s US supported the Solidarity movement morally and with money probably as well.

    With Russia not so much. It's mostly a history of war and occupation although Poles do make a strong distinction between Russia as a country and Russians as people.

    In case of other ex-WarPac countries the negativity is mostly due to communism. Although in case of Czechs a lot of pro-Russian sentiment used to exist in the past before ww1. The first Pan Slavic convention was organizeed in Prague in 1848.

    In case of the Baltics there used to be a group that was very pro-Russian - the Baltic Germans were pretty much a model minority in the Russian Empire with a monstrous overrepresentation in government, military and business, during the Russian Civil War they fought for the Whites in contrast to other minorities (Jews, Georgians, Latvians etc) which formed an overrepresentation among the Bolsheviks.
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    Post  kvs on Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:58 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Poland has strong positive ties with US. Polish generals fought in the US war of independece, in 1918 US supported Polish independence and in 1980s US supported the Solidarity movement morally and with money probably as well.

    With Russia not so much. It's mostly a history of war and occupation although Poles do make a strong distinction between Russia as a country and Russians as people.

    In case of other ex-WarPac countries the negativity is mostly due to communism. Although in case of Czechs a lot of pro-Russian sentiment used to exist in the past before ww1. The first Pan Slavic convention was organizeed in Prague in 1848.

    In case of the Baltics there used to be a group that was very pro-Russian - the Baltic Germans were pretty much a model minority in the Russian Empire with a monstrous overrepresentation in government, military and business, during the Russian Civil War they fought for the Whites in contrast to other minorities (Jews, Georgians, Latvians etc) which formed an overrepresentation among the Bolsheviks.

    Poland has been one of the spears of conquest aimed at Russia by the Popes. Just like the Knights of the Teutonic Order. So Poland's endless drang nach osten
    is its own fault and not Russia's. The occupation of Poland by the Russian Empire was vastly softer than any Polish occupation of Ukraine. Russian Orthodox religion
    was not rammed down the throats of Poles like the Poles tried to force Catholicism on Ukrainians. The result was the Uniates. And the reason Poland got occupied
    was because it was actively engaged in trying to regime change Russia during the time of the troubles. Specifically they tried to install a fake Czar to rule as their
    (and the Pope's) quisling.

    The story with Poland has always been selective use of timelines. Like with the so-called partition of "Poland" by Stalin and Hitler. The fact that Stalin reclaimed the
    lands that were grabbed by Poland in 1920 is selectively excluded to make it look like it was a simple land grab. Poland's annexation of western Ukraine and Belorus
    was not historically based aside from delusions of imperial grandeur. Funny how one Pole told me a while back that Poland considers western Ukraine to be part of
    Poland. Much like Turkey considers Kurd lands to be Turkish.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:56 pm






    Poland has actually been the strongest bastion of the Slavs for centuries, even the high-ranking Nazis admitted that Poland blocked the German expansion to the East for 700 years. Poland is actually the most genetically Slavic country in the world.


    And that "fake" Czar - he might have been the real thing - it was some Ruthenian-origin magnates who installed him, not really the Poles.


    Meanwhile Russia elected Finnish thralls as its ruling dynasty, allowed itself to be lorded over by a tiny German minority from the 18th century until 1917, it partitioned the mostly Slavic Belarussian-Lithuanian-Polish Commonwealth together with two German states, across centuries it betrayed very loyal allies from Montenegro and Serbia.


    And nobody forced the Ukrainians to become Catholics under Polish rule. Where did you get this falsehood from?

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Fri Sep 25, 2020 12:01 am

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:




    Poland has actually been the strongest bastion of the Slavs for centuries, even the high-ranking Nazis admitted that Poland blocked the German expansion to the East for 700 years. Poland is actually the most genetically Slavic country in the world.


    And that "fake" Czar - he might have been the real thing - it was some Ruthenian-origin magnates who installed him, not really the Poles.


    Meanwhile Russia elected Finnish thralls as its ruling dynasty, allowed itself to be lorded over by a tiny German minority from the 18th century until 1917, it partitioned the mostly Slavic Belarussian-Lithuanian-Polish Commonwealth together with two German states, across centuries it betrayed very loyal allies from Montenegro and Serbia.


    And nobody forced the Ukrainians to become Catholics under Polish rule. Where did you get this falsehood from?

    jocolor



    Actually there were three fake Dimitri (all pretending to be the younger (already dead) son of Ivan the terrible) and two of them were actually married to the same polish noblewoman, Marina Mniszech. The first one was actually considered a Zar for a bit less than a year and the second one, even if he was never recognised as the legitimate ruler, was able to control a large part of Russia for about 3 years....

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