"Kinzhal" hypersonic aviation-missile complex

The animated Tu-22M3 looked great with 4 Kinzhals.

The range of combat use "Dagger"
To extend their range, more Tu-22Ms could be used armed with just 1 Kinzhal.
They r mulling & may develop an AShBM like the Chinese DF-26.
They could also modify a few older Il-76/96s to carry AshCMs &/ Zircons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyushin_Il-96#Specifications
https://zen.yandex.ru/media/alternateweapons/72-krylatye-rakety-v-grajdanskii-boing-samolet-porohovaia-bochka-5c4745ba7b9a3700abe41ae8

IMHO unlikely for CSGs' killer version. You dont need to fly fr form Russians maritime borders. 2,000km is find to keep outside US missiles range. 2 pairs could ctty 16 Kinzahls.

With less weight, TU-22Ms have more range at a given speed- critical in Russia with few good airfields to fly from. That's also why he proposes using Tu-160s with intercontinental range- Russia spans 2 continents 11 time zones: https://www.timeanddate.com/time/zone/russia

You mean adapting already existing and tested RS-26 Rubezh + Avangrd?

Possibly, or Iskanders. They could also use Topol ICBMs with 1 less stage as a stop gap.

Russia moves 20 hypersonic missiles to testing site, signaling another milestone for the weapons program

WASHINGTON — Nearly 20 Russian missiles that the U.S. is currently unable to defend against were recently moved to a military testing site, signaling another milestone for the Kremlin’s hypersonic weapons program, according to people who have direct knowledge of American intelligence reports.

“This shows they have the ambition to develop these weapons and that they have prioritized this particular program. The Russians have basically determined that they are comfortable with the design and will now focus on fine-tuning the weapon through testing,” one person, who spoke to CNBC on the condition of anonymity, said.

The air-to-ground hypersonic missile dubbed “Kinzhal,” which means “dagger” in Russian, has been tested at least three times. In July, the Kremlin successfully tested the weapon against a target nearly 500 miles away. What’s more, in another U.S. intelligence report, according to a source, the hypersonic missile was mounted and launched 12 times from a Russian MiG-31 fighter jet. Additionally, work is underway to mount the weapon on a strategic bomber.

The weapon is slated to join the Kremlin’s arsenal as early as 2020.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/21/russia-moves-20-hypersonic-missiles-to-testing-site-signaling-another-milestone.html

Never heard of a country named Kremlin.

Hole wrote:Never heard of a country named Kremlin.

It's called brainwashing. Americans have been weened from birth for generations on the terms "Kremlin's ambitions", "Kremlin controlled",
"Kremlin ...". These are pure Pavolovian trigger phrases which induces the analog of drooling in the US and NATO mass media consumer.
Their brain turns off and a pre-installed stereotype clicks on.

I always found it silly how the book "1984" by Eric Blair was supposedly about Russia under communism (or whenever). Winston Smith was
the stereotypical Brit and the sort of cheesy thought control simply did not happen in the USSR and Russia even during the worst periods.
Russians do not give their media and government the benefit of the doubt. As far as Americans are concerned, they may as well be
trained poodles. That is why patent BS like "Russiagate" is still ongoing.

He was quite critical of the developments in England and the changing of the language and so on. For him it was all about his country and how it could look in 1984. He just missed the date by a couple of years. Todays speech is very close to what he imagined, at least in the neo-liberal west.

As I said multiple of times - Kinzhal will be Russia's main arm in Hypersonic for general (non strategic) use until Zircon comes into force. Hopefully they can increase range even more.

miketheterrible wrote:As I said multiple of times - Kinzhal will be Russia's main arm in Hypersonic for general (non strategic) use until Zircon comes into force.  Hopefully they can increase range even more.

I am quite sure that the Zircon range is some minimal figure. The range is determined by the hypersonic speed. Adding more fuel would easily propel the Zircon to
2000 km. I think the clowns in the Pentagon realize these details. Expect all sorts of squirming and shrieking from the NATO ubermenschen in the near future.
They are exposed and they don't like it.

Well, test was at 1k km. But it's range is apparently 3k km

kvs wrote:I am quite sure that the Zircon range is some minimal figure.   The range is determined by the hypersonic speed.   Adding more fuel would easily propel the Zircon to
2000 km.   I think the clowns in the Pentagon realize these details.    Expect all sorts of squirming and shrieking from the NATO ubermenschen in the near future.
They are exposed and they don't like it.

Hysteria from the Pentagram is only to be expected. Its a form of insanity brought on by the sudden realisation that their $14B God Chariots aka carriers have been magically transformed from assets into liabilities.

kvs wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:As I said multiple of times - Kinzhal will be Russia's main arm in Hypersonic for general (non strategic) use until Zircon comes into force.  Hopefully they can increase range even more.

I am quite sure that the Zircon range is some minimal figure.   The range is determined by the hypersonic speed.   Adding more fuel would easily propel the Zircon to
2000 km.   I think the clowns in the Pentagon realize these details.    Expect all sorts of squirming and shrieking from the NATO ubermenschen in the near future.
They are exposed and they don't like it.

2000 km range is already attainable with a high-altitude (40km, 20km attained by aircraft) air-launched approach. Take for example Kalibr-M and Kh-101, it's widely believed that the deep modernization of Kalibr to Kalibr-M was driven by the finalized development of Kh-101, which has a range of 5500km....however because it (Kalibr-M) is surface launched, it loses 1000km in range, so instead of 5500km range it has 4500km range. Zircon with a air-launched, high altitude pattern could easily gain 1000km in range to get the 2000km mark. We should also consider the potential max increase in speed. The difference between supersonic speeds is very relevant to altitude, so at low altitude 10,734.12 km/h translates to Mach 9 speed (surfaced launched Zircon), but at high altitude (40km) 10,734.12 km/h translates to Mach 10 speed.

Big_Gazza wrote:

kvs wrote:I am quite sure that the Zircon range is some minimal figure.   The range is determined by the hypersonic speed.   Adding more fuel would easily propel the Zircon to
2000 km.   I think the clowns in the Pentagon realize these details.    Expect all sorts of squirming and shrieking from the NATO ubermenschen in the near future.
They are exposed and they don't like it.

Hysteria from the Pentagram is only to be expected.  Its a form of insanity brought on by the sudden realisation that their $14B God Chariots aka  carriers have been magically transformed from assets into liabilities.  

What's even more interesting is the DEEPLY flawed design of the Ford class carriers...take a look at the cutaway for example, see anything wrong? Hint: the proximity of the arming/disarming platform in relation to the main engine room:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

kvs wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:As I said multiple of times - Kinzhal will be Russia's main arm in Hypersonic for general (non strategic) use until Zircon comes into force.  Hopefully they can increase range even more.

I am quite sure that the Zircon range is some minimal figure.   The range is determined by the hypersonic speed.   Adding more fuel would easily propel the Zircon to
2000 km.   I think the clowns in the Pentagon realize these details.    Expect all sorts of squirming and shrieking from the NATO ubermenschen in the near future.
They are exposed and they don't like it.

2000 km range is already attainable with a high-altitude (40km) air-launched approach. Take for example Kalibr-M and Kh-101, it's widely believed that the deep modernization of Kalibr to Kalibr-M was driven by the finalized development of Kh-101, which has a range of 5500km....however because it (Kalibr-M) is surface launched, it loses 1000km in range, so instead of 5500km range it has 4500km range. Zircon with a air-launched, high altitude pattern could easily gain 1000km in range to get the 2000km mark. We should also consider the potential max increase in speed. The difference between supersonic speeds is very relevant to altitude, so at low altitude 10,734.12 km/h translates to Mach 9 speed (surfaced launched Zircon), but at high altitude (40km) 10,734.12 km/h translates to Mach 10 speed.

An air launched Zirkon (GZUR) will be smaller(less fuel) but maybe it could still achive 2000km range, Zirkon has a 1000km range plus, depends on what the plus is.

Vesti Kinzhal shot.

This is a solid fuel missile and it shows the stupendous advance in Russian solid fuel technology since the 1980s. I get the impression
that not too many people are clued in to this. I have seen no evidence of similar advances in NATO.