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    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:28 am

    I didn't take down any post, I haven't moved or deleted a post in quite some time, but I would guess probably George saw it was about stealth subs and moved it to a thread about submarines.

    Of course considering it is national interest he might have moved it to the talking bollocks thread, because without reading I am guessing that is where it belongs.
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    Post  andalusia on Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:31 am

    GarryB wrote:I didn't take down any post, I haven't moved or deleted a post in quite some time, but I would guess probably George saw it was about stealth subs and moved it to a thread about submarines.

    Of course considering it is national interest he might have moved it to the talking bollocks thread, because without reading I am guessing that is where it belongs.

    I checked the Russian Navy section and I didn't see my post; The article says that the Russian military is not able to build Air Independent propulsion system for their submarines.  The article was very critical.  My opinion is that Russian is an advanced country and should have no problem building such a system.  I hope you get a chance to read it.  The National Interest is a very right wing website; would you agree?
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:35 am

    The National Interest is a very right wing website; would you agree?

    I don't believe in left or right wing I think it is bullshit... there are more than two different points of view or ways of looking at things.

    Tell me which I am.

    I can be very conservative... I think the death penalty is not a deterrent but it does not need to be... its purpose is both punishment and also a guarantee against repeat offending by that individual.

    I believe in gun control, but my belief is more about hitting your target with the first shot than any gun ban agenda.

    I am not sure everyone should get a vote, but then I also think not everyone should be allowed to have pets or children either.

    I believe in equal rights no matter what you sexual orientation but don't expect me to celebrate with you just because you do some really weird shit.

    I think openly gay people are less of a threat to society and the family than closet gay priests who are protected by an organisation that forgives them and moves them on to greener pastures.

    I believe a woman has a right to an abortion, but I also think the father should also have some say too... especially if he ends up having to pay for the kid for the next 20 years.

    I think femenists don't want equality, they want all the good stuff like equal pay for the same job instead of equal pay for the same work, and they certainly don't demand equal prison time for female offenders, or to be put on the draft the next time the country invades some one and is running short on cannon fodder...

    Ironically big business and big money own politics in America so democrat or republican is just white rich old men doing a dance to get your vote so they can pander to the highest bidder and bend existing laws so that the very richest can get richer...

    And yes I spelt femenists wrong on purpose... it really pisses them off... What a Face

    All I can say is I have not read the article and am not going to go out of my way to read it from a site that has an agenda that has nothing to do with providing me with useful and unbiased information, and everything to do with pursuing the national interests of a foreign (to me) power.

    And no I did not delete or move the post.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:47 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    The National Interest is a very right wing website; would you agree?

    I don't believe in left or right wing I think it is bullshit... there are more than two different points of view or ways of looking at things.

    Tell me which I am.

    I can be very conservative... I think the death penalty is not a deterrent but it does not need to be... its purpose is both punishment and also a guarantee against repeat offending by that individual.

    I believe in gun control, but my belief is more about hitting your target with the first shot than any gun ban agenda.

    I am not sure everyone should get a vote, but then I also think not everyone should be allowed to have pets or children either.

    I believe in equal rights no matter what you sexual orientation but don't expect me to celebrate with you just because you do some really weird shit.

    I think openly gay people are less of a threat to society and the family than closet gay priests who are protected by an organisation that forgives them and moves them on to greener pastures.

    I believe a woman has a right to an abortion, but I also think the father should also have some say too... especially if he ends up having to pay for the kid for the next 20 years.

    I think femenists don't want equality, they want all the good stuff like equal pay for the same job instead of equal pay for the same work, and they certainly don't demand equal prison time for female offenders, or to be put on the draft the next time the country invades some one and is running short on cannon fodder...

    Ironically big business and big money own politics in America so democrat or republican is just white rich old men doing a dance to get your vote so they can pander to the highest bidder and bend existing laws so that the very richest can get richer...

    And yes I spelt femenists wrong on purpose... it really pisses them off...   What a Face

    All I can say is I have not read the article and am not going to go out of my way to read it from a site that has an agenda that has nothing to do with providing me with useful and unbiased information, and everything to do with pursuing the national interests of a foreign (to me) power.

    And no I did not delete or move the post.
    respekt very sensibile, sir.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:56 am

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    Post  kvs on Fri Apr 03, 2020 3:08 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:GmznmPS67Rc

    It turns out that Lukashenko is a corrupt stooge for an oil oligarch. Without Russia neither this oligarch nor Belorus can function. It
    is worse economically than for Ukraine which we see is clearly f*cked.

    So this "enemy" is a two-bit nothing flash in the pan.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:43 am

    kvs wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:GmznmPS67Rc

    It turns out that Lukashenko is a corrupt stooge for an oil oligarch.   Without Russia neither this oligarch nor Belorus can function.   It
    is worse economically than for Ukraine which we see is clearly f*cked.

    So this "enemy" is a two-bit nothing flash in the pan.


    That's the thing - Belarus relies entirely on Russia. They are fucked without them. And all this going on is Belarus trying to play chicken with Russia.

    He is overplaying his hand
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:53 am

    well if that is the case, then he is screwed because there is no point waving the EU and NATO membership in Putins face because there is no way the EU is going to provide cheap oil that they can then sell for a profit to other countries... it is either my way or the highway... ie Putins bitch or out of power.

    Ironic that the western world claims Putin is the evil puppet master but in this case it was the puppet screwing with the puppetier to get a better cut... or they will go to another puppetier to work for...
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:40 pm

    At first i considered putting this in the EU discussion thread, but felt it made more sense to put it here.

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    Post  kvs on Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:27 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:At first i considered putting this in the EU discussion thread, but felt it made more sense to put it here.

    tu_G4qNvBuo

    Brain dead rubbish. Russia could give a flying fuck about the EU territories. It is the EU that is craving Russia's resources.
    This is the thousand year old posture of the west against Russia. The west engages in endless drang nach osten and
    couches it in the spreading of the world of the Lord, and later spreading ideals and values (Napoleon, USA) when it
    is in reality about economic gain.

    And we also have the circularity where any Russian reaction to mitigate the NATzO aggression against itself is construed
    by NATzO as Russian wrong doing.

    Some of the brazen hypocrisy in this video:

    1) Russia supposedly supporting subversive groups in the EU. I would like to see even one example of such a group.
    Meanwhile the EU as part of NATzO is brazenly supporting grifters such as Navalny. Navalny has established a fake
    doctors union in Russia which is being used to spread lies about Covid-19 progression and to terrorize real Russian
    doctors by claiming that they are not doing a competent job. Numerous such lies have already been debunked but
    this NATzO funded subversion operation is still active. BTW, this racket has full cover from western media so any
    move against it is used as evidence of Russian "oppression".

    2) Eastern Europe still depends on Russia for gas, etc. So what? This is the usual schizophrenic drivel from NATzO
    propagandists. If you don't like Russian gas, then get the fuck out and shop for it elsewhere. The real story here
    is that the EU wants Russian gas for nothing and tries to coerce Russia with propaganda blackmail. Such as the
    BS about Russia cutting off the flow of gas to the EU in 2009 through Ukraine. It was Yuschenko who closed the
    pipeline and Gazprom has proof from an independent Swiss firm used to monitor the flow. That the NATzO MSM
    ignores this fact is proof of NATzO's malice and not of Russian wrong doing.

    3) Assorted other hate propaganda cliches about poor virgin innocent EU under threat of the Russian devil. Go
    and get fucked you racist swine.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:43 pm

    kvs wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:GmznmPS67Rc

    It turns out that Lukashenko is a corrupt stooge for an oil oligarch.   Without Russia neither this oligarch nor Belorus can function.   It
    is worse economically than for Ukraine which we see is clearly f*cked.

    So this "enemy" is a two-bit nothing flash in the pan.



    He is most certainly not as corrupt as Putin, but he is an ethnic Ukrainian.

    He clearly pursues a course of action that is favorable to Ukraine.


    Who in the world decided for an ethnic Ukrainian to be the head of state of Belarus?

    There were no appropriate ethnic Belarussians available to lead Belarus?


    I have been increasingly less impressed with this guy since the mid-2010's.


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    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:40 am

    He is most certainly not as corrupt as Putin, but he is an ethnic Ukrainian.

    See now that is something I don't understand... perhaps you don't understand the meaning of the word corrupt.

    A corrupt person has no morals or ethics and will change policy to make things easier...

    A corrupt person works for their own advantage rather than caring about anyone else, so for instance if Putin was corrupt he would be selling out the interests of the Russian people and doing everything America tells him to, and everything the EU tells him to do.

    Putin would have dropped Assad and kept his forces at home and let ISIS win in Syria and let it descend into the same crap Libya is faced with...

    Corrupt is what EU leaders are that jump in line behind the US and ban their companies from making money in Russia because America tells them to do it... they care more about doing what America tells them to do than their own voters and people... they go against their own people to please foreigners... that is corruption.

    The EU is ruled by liberal unelected people who could not hold down real jobs and have a perverse view of reality, that is corruption.

    Putin is not perfect and has made mistakes but he is interested in making Russia great for the Russian people... the people he works for.

    You admit that the leader of Belarus is acting irrationally for Belarus, but consistent with a Ukrainian... that is corrupt leadership too...

    At first i considered putting this in the EU discussion thread, but felt it made more sense to put it here.

    Instant red flag... the Crimea is not red... so I didn't even watch it...
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    Post  kvs on Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:55 am

    Funny how Putin who puts oligarchs in their place and has overseen the economic revival of Russia is "corrupt",
    but some two bit dictator in Belorus who is clearly working as a shill for an oil refining oligarch (whose business
    depends on using cheap Russian oil to sell expensive refined products to the EU) is not "corrupt".   So to highlight:

    1) Putin: no evidence of shilling for any special interests, no evidence of any secret stash of money (the original
    BS claim by some no-name blogger was inconsistent since it claimed Putin owned shares in Russian resource companies,
    but such ownership would, by definition, be public.   Forbes and others have utterly failed even to name potential
    shell companies that could be linked to Putin's alleged "stash").  

    2) Lukasranko:  obvious shilling and dirty attempts at blackmail and endless spew of lies and defamation like some
    tantrum baby who is not getting his desired candy.   For some reason NATzO outfits are not investigating Lukasranko's
    shady assets.   He is allegedly squeaky clean. Unlike Putin and his alleged "palaces", Lukasranko actually owns
    multiple mansions. Why does he need them? And where did he get the money?

    Trust a Polak to engage in twisting of the language to serve his agenda.   Instant ignore from me since I am
    not going to coddle goal posting moving propaganda "debate".
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    Post  kvs on Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:45 pm

    https://summit.news/2020/04/15/german-lawyer-who-criticized-lockdown-arrested-taken-to-psych-ward/

    We have an example of modern day Germany sending dissidents to psychiatric institutions. Contrast to Russia
    which is smeared of all sorts of wrong doing by DW and other NATzO fake stream propaganda orifices. In Russia,
    there is actual sabotage of the effort to contain Covid-19, but not a single case of abuse of the perps has transpired.
    Instead the Russian government makes concessions when people start to bitch that control measures are "too extreme"
    when they are reasonable but whiners love to whine.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:47 pm

    kvs wrote:https://summit.news/2020/04/15/german-lawyer-who-criticized-lockdown-arrested-taken-to-psych-ward/

    We have an example of modern day Germany sending dissidents to psychiatric institutions.   Contrast to Russia
    which is smeared of all sorts of wrong doing by DW and other NATzO fake stream propaganda orifices.    In Russia,
    there is actual sabotage of the effort to contain Covid-19, but not a single case of abuse of the perps has transpired.
    Instead the Russian government makes concessions when people start to bitch that control measures are "too extreme"
    when they are reasonable but whiners love to whine.


    DW? You mean that rag Douche Well? Wink
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    Post  kvs on Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:31 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    kvs wrote:https://summit.news/2020/04/15/german-lawyer-who-criticized-lockdown-arrested-taken-to-psych-ward/

    We have an example of modern day Germany sending dissidents to psychiatric institutions.   Contrast to Russia
    which is smeared of all sorts of wrong doing by DW and other NATzO fake stream propaganda orifices.    In Russia,
    there is actual sabotage of the effort to contain Covid-19, but not a single case of abuse of the perps has transpired.
    Instead the Russian government makes concessions when people start to bitch that control measures are "too extreme"
    when they are reasonable but whiners love to whine.


    DW? You mean that rag Douche Well? Wink

    Indeed. A yanqui bootlick outfit of the scummiest sort. Germany has no self-respect if it allows DW to be operated like a branch of
    Radio FE/L.
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    Post  kvs on Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:48 pm



    The NATzO fake stream media is jumping the shark for the Nth time.    The New York Times is claiming that Putin has undermined
    US science and medicine.   They actually attribute all the tin foil hat clowns such as the anti-vaccine loons to Putin.   Really.  
    Funny how I have been seeing such alt-medicine and anti-government-science BS since the 1980s.    Putin must be a time
    traveler.

    One of the prime claims by NYT lie peddlers is that Putin spread information about the US doing virus engineering for assorted
    purposes.   So Putin must have been responsible for this article in Nature:

    https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787

    Then the NYT trots out a gem of inane circular logic.   Supposedly Putin himself spread false information that the US medical
    system is crap (what was his motive?  Russia is not peddling its variant as superior, it is the USA that is always bleating about
    its superiority) so now that the system has shown its failings, it's Putin's fault.   Americans are indeed imbeciles if they swallow
    such garbage.   Even Baron Munchausen lifting himself and his horse out of the swamp by pulling on his pony tail is more credible
    than this tail chasing inanity.

    And the cherry on top of this turd cake is that RT is the source of this super-effective brainwashing of the gullible yanqui masses.
    Here we see how much the NYT loves freedom of information.  They actually claim that Lindsey Graham's appearance on RT is
    Putin's propaganda. Yanquis are only supposed to get officially approved information like good little totalitarian proles.
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    Post  kvs on Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:41 am



    Some yanqui pundit finally admits the obvious, that sanctions against Russia are failing. Of course, being the usual western
    hater retard he proceeds to call for new ways to coerce Russia "to behave". Take a look in the mirror you exceptionalist f*ck.
    It is the rogue state USA that needs to be contained and made to play by international rules and respect human rights.
    No, supporting jihadi terrorist vermin in Syria to bring down an elected and popular government is not "spreading of democracy"
    just as it wasn't in Iran in 1953 or Latin America where the USA installed one death squad junta after another. The same
    pattern was repeated in Indonesia and other parts of the world.

    Yanquis claiming they are do-gooders is contradicted by a vast array of empirical evidence.

    Anyway, this sad f*ck goes on about how Putin has created a "fortress" out of Russia at the sacrifice of economic growth.
    Stick to other parts of your moronic hate narrative you imbecile. Russia's GDP is growing and is also restructuring for
    sustained growth via import substitution and elimination of Yeltsin era comprador distortions. Yeltsin left a slew of
    colonial legal obligations that have been choking Russia's development. His destruction of the Russian economy with
    shock therapy witch-doctor voodoo in the 1990s resulted on excessive import dependence in Russia that directly reduced
    its GDP and its sovereignty.

    As I pointed out before, the massive foreign debt pay-down which is ongoing is directly reducing the GDP growth rate.
    In the real world this shrinking of foreign debt is a plus for Russia's GDP. But in the BS world of GDP accounting it is
    considered a reduction in GDP. Naturally, the accounting is ludicrous. Any GDP growth has to be evaluated by actual
    production and consumption and not by assuming that production and consumption is reduced directly by debt repayment.
    So all you yanqui "analists", don't wank yourself silly thinking that Russia's GDP is not growing. If it wasn't, then Russian
    wages would not be increasing over 6% per year. And Covid-19 is an exogenous shock affecting the whole planet and
    is thus irrelevant to discussion of Putin and Russia.

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    Post  kvs on Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:36 am



    Remember all the bitching about the supposed "extermination" of stray dogs before the Shochi Olympics?   Well,
    a German zoo is going to start feeding zoo animals to each other since it is losing money due to Covid-19.   Not
    a squeak from the self-anointed animal rights defenders.

    BTW, the so-called dog extermination in Sochi never happened and the scum spreading the blood libel were
    using photos from a Ukrainian anti-stray campaign to "prove" their claims.   Much like the Ukr Holodomor
    fraudsters use images from the 1920s civil war famine on the Volga.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:38 am

    kvs wrote:

    Remember all the bitching about the supposed "extermination" of stray dogs before the Shochi Olympics?   Well,
    a German zoo is going to start feeding zoo animals to each other since it is losing money due to Covid-19.   Not
    a squeak from the self-anointed animal rights defenders.

    BTW, the so-called dog extermination in Sochi never happened and the scum spreading the blood libel were
    using photos from a Ukrainian anti-stray campaign to "prove" their claims.   Much like the Ukr Holodomor
    fraudsters use images from the 1920s civil war famine on the Volga.

    Peta euthanizes countless stray dogs and cats....not a word from those viralmentalists about that.
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    Post  nomadski on Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:06 pm

    The westerners are masters of blood sport. Other people's blood. Divide and rule, is their continued tactic. The British media. The BBC.  I was listening to Radio BBC. They explained the great battles between the  " despotic" and
    " dictatorial Muslim" regimes, and their  " unjust" oppression of  socialists !  Oh yes, the Imperialists now support socialists ! Here you must notice, how they mix the reactionary right wing elements, that they themselves support, with the  Muslim religion. Or even progressive Muslim  groups. The British and their children, the Yanks never stop. Always divide and rule. Brother killing brother. Until they put their man into power.

    So it is for all of us, not to get confused. Not to allow fights between revolutionary camps.  Socialists and progressive Muslims unite. Fight the evil British. Do not feed on each other's flesh. In their Zoo. I spit on BBC.
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    Post  kvs on Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:07 pm

    nomadski wrote:The westerners are masters of blood sport. Other people's blood. Divide and rule, is their continued tactic. The British media. The BBC.  I was listening to Radio BBC. They explained the great battles between the  " despotic" and
    " dictatorial Muslim" regimes, and their  " unjust" oppression of  socialists !  Oh yes, the Imperialists now support socialists ! Here you must notice, how they mix the reactionary right wing elements, that they themselves support, with the  Muslim religion. Or even progressive Muslim  groups. The British and their children, the Yanks never stop. Always divide and rule. Brother killing brother. Until they put their man into power.

    So it is for all of us, not to get confused. Not to allow fights between revolutionary camps.  Socialists and progressive Muslims unite. Fight the evil British. Do not feed on each other's flesh. In their Zoo. I spit on BBC.

    10000000% in agreement. Everywhere the Anglos have stuck their noses has left strife and genocide. Consider the Tamils and the Hindus.
    The British co-opted the Tamils as their proxies and thus created long term strife with the oppressed Hindus. The British did the same thing
    in North America. They co-opted the Iroquois aboriginals against the French Canada which resulted in the genocide of the Huron people.
    These vermin have been trying to stage the same in Russia for centuries. They have succeeded in the case of Ukraine. After WWII
    Ukrainian Nazis were trained in British military camps as insurgents against the USSR. I knew one such Ukrainian personally (no he was
    not some friend but an acquaintance of the family) and he was not making it up. The succoring of the Banderite strain of the Ukrainian
    "nationalism" has been in the USA and Canada. These are the vermin who rule Ukraine today.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Apr 25, 2020 3:35 am

    It is currently Anzac day here in NZ so I woke up at just before 6am and sat in bed and watched a video I had on my tablet about Stalingrad.

    It showed interviews with surviving Soviets and Germans, and talked about the German soldiers going mad and practising cannibalism... it also mentioned when the Germans were taken away to camps that the Soviets were surprised... they expected 80,000 but there were three or four times that many taken into captivity and at that stage of the war they barely had the resources to feed and clothe their own people so the food options did not improve in captivity if you know what I mean.

    This documentary was a Russian documentary translated into English for the western market, but having watched British documentaries on the eastern front I can honestly say when they mentioned cannibalism in Leningrad and other places they didn't mention the people responsible were driven mad and often had the choice to survive and eat what was available or to die and they chose to survive... a sort of Bear Gryls type mentality.

    To be clear once the horses had been eaten the Soviet civilians trapped in Stalingrad had to stop asking where the meat came from too because as the lady interviewed said after the horses it was the dogs... and then the cats... and she said that with clear shame in her voice... because as she said the cats and dogs came to the people for protection from the cold... and the violence and noise of battle... eventually there were not pets left to eat... a terrible situation to be in...
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    Post  kvs on Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:22 am

    GarryB wrote:It is currently Anzac day here in NZ so I woke up at just before 6am and sat in bed and watched a video I had on my tablet about Stalingrad.

    It showed interviews with surviving Soviets and Germans, and talked about the German soldiers going mad and practising cannibalism... it also mentioned when the Germans were taken away to camps that the Soviets were surprised... they expected 80,000 but there were three or four times that many taken into captivity and at that stage of the war they barely had the resources to feed and clothe their own people so the food options did not improve in captivity if you know what I mean.

    This documentary was a Russian documentary translated into English for the western market, but having watched British documentaries on the eastern front I can honestly say when they mentioned cannibalism in Leningrad and other places they didn't mention the people responsible were driven mad and often had the choice to survive and eat what was available or to die and they chose to survive... a sort of Bear Gryls type mentality.

    To be clear once the horses had been eaten the Soviet civilians trapped in Stalingrad had to stop asking where the meat came from too because as the lady interviewed said after the horses it was the dogs... and then the cats... and she said that with clear shame in her voice... because as she said the cats and dogs came to the people for protection from the cold... and the violence and noise of battle... eventually there were not pets left to eat... a terrible situation to be in...

    There was a serious food shortage across the USSR in 1942 and that is when the gulag death rate hit is peak (20% of the inmates). This one time
    peak was used in NATzO propaganda to claim that every year 20% of gulag inmates died from the 1930s to the 1950s. This BS claim is one of the
    "sources" for the millions of dead at the hands of the commies lies still being spread around today. It is just as nonsensical as the claim that 14
    million "Ukrainians" died during the Holodomor. (That would be close to half of Ukraine's population based on pre-revolutionary census data which
    agrees with Soviet census data from the 1920s.).

    I recall a series of Time-Life books on the war where they noted that 20% of Germans died in soviet POW camps. This was presented as Soviet
    evil. The same hate propaganda BS. The Nazis made sure that 3.3 million Soviet POWs died in captivity by either death through exposure or
    sending them to the ovens first in Auschwitz. Auschwitz was build by Soviet POW slave labour which was then processed by the facility.

    Today it is popular in NATzO to make an equivalence between Nazi Germany and the USSR. This is pure guilt transfer. The Nazis were engaged
    in all sorts of depravity against civilians and POWs (like the Japs in China) but in the USSR these same butchers were not being exterminated
    in death camps and were being housed and fed when the food was available. If there was not food shortage in the USSR in 1942, there
    would be much fewer than 20% German POW deaths in Soviet captivity. The fault for these deaths lies with Nazi Germany and not the USSR
    for obvious reasons.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:52 am

    Notice who and how the BBC reports Covid-19 news? Wink


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    Fun Fact: London is probably the most surveilled city in the world.....With that being considered, the BBC can deep throat a stick of dynamite and have a blast!!! Embarassed Razz

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