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    Post  Flyingdutchman Fri Aug 29, 2014 11:25 pm

    What about Gorbatsjov Very Happy
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    Post  Mike E Fri Aug 29, 2014 11:26 pm

    Next thing you know, Germany is going the "Himmler".
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    Post  Firebird Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:24 am

    Its actually quite hard to think of a really inflamatory name.

    The Aircraft Carrier Anna Chapman would be a very long shot. She has great talents (ahem) but probably HASNT justified having an aircraft carrier named after her...

    There was the Lee Harvey Oswald. But Oswald was a complete loon who also left the USSR. PLus he shot JFK, who wasnt the worst Us president.

    Maybe the John Hinckley Jr, who shot Ronald Reagan. Except Hinckley was also a loon who was obsessed with Jodie Foster (who's also a complete lesbian).

    Maybe the Hugo Chavez, or Fidel Castro, both of which would have Hilary the Pig Clinton and Co spitting feathers in anger.

    Other than that, I suppose there's only extremist Muslim names.

    I'll settle for "the Russian Aircraft Carrier Uncle Joe". :-/

    Guarded by the refitted Kirov class heavy cruiser Edward Snowden.. hehhe
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    Post  AlfaT8 Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:29 am

    Names that would be more of a bad omen for a ship:
    1) The Stalin
    2) Ivan the Terrible
    3) The Gorbachev
    4) The Yeltsin (ooh god!!)

    I'm not really sure about "The Lenin" nor "Peter the Second"?? scratch
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    Post  Mike E Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:07 am

    "4) The Yeltsin (ooh god!!)" That is the funniest thing I've heard in a long while...
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    Post  medo Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:14 am

    I would more like, that large capital ships of RuNavy have names of tzars. Katarina the Great could be good too.
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    Post  Mike E Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:19 am

    True, it is always nice to have flagships carry historical names... Most countries do the same.
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    Post  Flyingdutchman Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:11 am

    I would still go for "the kremlin"
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    Post  Mike E Sat Aug 30, 2014 6:43 pm

    As long as it is intimidating...
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    Post  AlfaT8 Sat Aug 30, 2014 6:50 pm

    How about The Ho Chi Minh, although i don't think Russia could use this one, unless they sell a carrier to Vietnam. Wink
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    Post  Mike E Sat Aug 30, 2014 6:53 pm

    Yeah... Vietnam will never have a carrier anyway.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:05 pm

    Mike E wrote:Yeah... Vietnam will never have a carrier anyway.
    True, but were just thinking of names here, just thought of another one, The Lang Vei (look it up). Twisted Evil
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:11 pm

    Mike E wrote:As long as it is intimidating...

    Marshall Zhukov...

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    ...It's a much better idea to name your carrier after a "beer brand", this should end the trend of naming boats after famous military personnel... Wink
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    Post  Mike E Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:41 pm

    Name the carrier after a beer that is named after a commander.... Interesting!
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    Post  type055 Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:37 am

    GarryB wrote:Any Frigate with a helipad could operate an F-35 from it so to qualify as a carrier you need to do more than just carry fixed wing aircraft, but with these light carriers we are talking about 6 fixed wing aircraft as standard and rather more possible... after all they were designed to operate very large helos like the Sea Stallion, so take a few of those off and you get a lot of freed up space.


    Hi guys I am new here Very Happy I am chinese. about Chinese new carrier. we call liaoning(Варяг) type 001. In chinese forum. a most reliable indicator says PLAN is building 001A in dalian similar to Варяг with smaller Ship Island. and Type 002 is going to build in 2 years
    002 is similar to USS Kitty Hawk CV-63 with Steam catapult and steam power . and Electromagnetic catapult begin to develop in 2011 .



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    Post  Flyingdutchman Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:00 pm

    type055 wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Any Frigate with a helipad could operate an F-35 from it so to qualify as a carrier you need to do more than just carry fixed wing aircraft, but with these light carriers we are talking about 6 fixed wing aircraft as standard and rather more possible... after all they were designed to operate very large helos like the Sea Stallion, so take a few of those off and you get a lot of freed up space.


    Hi guys I am new here Very Happy  I am chinese. about Chinese new carrier. we call liaoning(Варяг) type 001. In chinese forum.  a most reliable indicator says PLAN is building 001A in dalian similar to Варяг with smaller Ship Island. and Type 002 is going to build in 2 years
    002 is similar to USS Kitty Hawk CV-63 with Steam catapult and steam power . and  Electromagnetic catapult begin to develop in 2011 .



    sorry   my english is poor,

    Hey, i believe about i made a thread a long time ago about china future aircraft carriers lets shift talk to over there about the chinese carrier Very Happy

    Here you can talk with us about russian carriers if you want to Very Happy

    there you go https://www.russiadefence.net/t2634-future-chinese-aircraft-carriers
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    Post  type055 Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:17 am

    I have a question have soviet union built mature Steam catapult?? Suspect
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    Post  Mike E Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:23 am

    USSR? Did you mean Russia?

    They probably have the technology, but I doubt that they have ever built an operational until...
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    Post  GarryB Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:05 pm

    No.

    The Soviets and now Russians don't view an aircraft carrier as a vessel to take strike aircraft to the other side of the world and to attack another country.

    the Soviets/Russians view the aircraft carrier as a ship that will allow air cover to be taken with a fleet of ships so that the navy can enjoy the benefits of air cover and air support the way the army does with the air force.

    the main difference is that the Navy treats the carrier as the PVO or air defence forces rather than frontal aviation or long range aviation (ie short and long range strike).

    The Russians have enough cruise missiles to deal with enemy ground targets and would use aircraft on their carriers to support and protect their ships.

    Currently they are looking at new carrier designs and likely will develop EM based cats... developing steam cats now would be fairly pointless... if you want to develop a new technology you don't start with something that is already obsolete... it would be like China developing a biplane fighter for her carriers... if China wants a new fighter design that is carrier based and was going to develop it herself she would hardly try to copy obsolete technology.

    Developing an EM cat would not be as hard or as expensive as developing a steam cat and at the end of the day you end up with a better system.

    Likely will be used for AEW and tanker aircraft.
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    Post  navyfield Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:04 pm

    russia couldnt build a new carrier even if it pulled all naval resourses for its construction right now. shame.
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    Post  Flyingdutchman Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:57 pm

    navyfield wrote:russia couldnt build a new carrier even if it pulled all naval resourses for its construction right now. shame.

    they could.
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    Post  Werewolf Thu Sep 04, 2014 7:10 pm

    navyfield wrote:russia couldnt build a new carrier even if it pulled all naval resourses for its construction right now. shame.

    Please explain to us how russia could not build a new carrier?

    They have the money, the MIC capabilities, the technologies and use for it.
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    Post  sepheronx Thu Sep 04, 2014 7:20 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    navyfield wrote:russia couldnt build a new carrier even if it pulled all naval resourses for its construction right now. shame.

    Please explain to us how russia could not build a new carrier?

    They have the money, the MIC capabilities, the technologies and use for it.

    Navyfield is just retarded.

    The shipyard in St.Petersburg can. It proved it when it turned a Kiev class Cruiser into an Aircraft carrier. If it can house and modify greatly an old jump jet carrier to a full fledged aircraft carrier, it can also build one from the ground up.
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    Post  Mike E Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:35 pm

    Not a question of if, it is a question of when.
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    Post  medo Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:33 pm

    Sometimes I wonder, why Russia didn't start building a sister carrier of Kuznetsov and in the mean time they could develop a new carrier class. They have all documentation for it and could build without Granit missiles and with bigger hangar.

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