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    Russian Navy: Status and News #5

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:31 pm



    Laughing

    And one more thing I have not noticed earlier.
    This piece obviously uses P-21/22/27 missile system, so the concern about upgrading with AD is valid IMO.

    This is how 3M82 version looks like.

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    But there is a catch.
    When we are talking SSN-2 Styx, we should be aware of the fact, that the name is misleading.
    The very same tubes can host P-15, P-15M, P-21. P-22 or P-27 missiles. You can't distinguish.
    From P-15M, the missile has increased range, a flight path lowered to 25m, and you can have it with either IR or AR seeker. Till today, the missile is being in production in China as a Silkworm. The missile has a very potent warhead and can be effectively used against any transport vessel, land target, or any less potent naval threat.
    I will surprise you, but a long time ago, when PN introduced the very first OHP frigate, they checked the new skills and potential and figured out that ... no PN ship can fight P-21 another way than AK630 at the final approach. SM1 turned to be just the same useless.

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    Post  George1 Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:09 pm

    Warships of the main classes of the Russian Navy as of 01.02.2022

    https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/259085.html
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    Post  Isos Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:05 pm

    Totally useless. You won't find any enemy cargo vessel around russian waters during a war where this ship operates.
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    Post  ALAMO Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:34 pm

    But you will find dozes of decent radiocontrast or IR emitting targets in range, not worthy a solid missile.
    Fuel/gas tanks in all the harbors, to begin with.
    Plus half of the naval assets are just good to take a solid P-27 as the other half don't need any better than Ch-35.
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    Post  Isos Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:40 pm

    ALAMO wrote:But you will find dozes of decent radiocontrast or IR emitting targets in range, not worthy a solid missile.
    Fuel/gas tanks in all the harbors, to begin with.
    Plus half of the naval assets are just good to take a solid P-27 as the other half don't need any better than Ch-35.

    Hardly. Nothing will be close enough to use this ship and this missile. At least Moskit has a decent range.

    They could easily upgrade its engine an fuel and give it a range of 400km though.
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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:47 am

    Krepost wrote:The TARANTUL class ship Shuya that has received the PANTSIR-M.
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    Would not the ship be something for Syria?
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    Post  Mir Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:43 am

    Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:
    Would not the ship be something for Syria?

    The Termit missiles are obsolete. They would probably go for something like the Kh-35 armed version for export if they wanted to upgrade their navy.
    The boat you refer to is just a test platform for the Pantsir system.
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    Post  marcellogo Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:33 am

    Mir wrote:
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    Would not the ship be something for Syria?

    The Termit missiles are obsolete. They would probably go for something like the Kh-35 armed version for export if they wanted to upgrade their navy.
    The boat you refer to is just a test platform for the Pantsir system.

    Yes but is it replacing them worth the effort?
    We are talking about boats that have no role in russian future plans for the Fleet.
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    Post  Mir Wed Feb 02, 2022 10:01 am

    marcellogo wrote:
    Yes but is it replacing them worth the effort?
    We are talking about boats that have no role in russian future plans for the Fleet.

    The Tarantuls come in various versions.
    Tarantul-1 is the very basic export version with downgraded electronics and the old and obsolete Termit missiles.
    Tarantul-2 was a Soviet version with better electronics and a newer version of the Termit - they still have a few in service but they are basically obsolete.
    The Tarantul-3 (Pr.12411) was a major upgrade and fitted with even better electronics and the supersonic Moskit/Moskit-M missile. Russia still has about 17 in service and will remain in service for some time to come. They will eventually be replaced by the Karakurt.
    Russia also has two Pr.1241.8 Molniya boats in service but they were bought by the Navy when a customer cancelled the contract.
    The Pr.1241.8's are all export orientated boats armed with 16x Kh-35 missiles. This particular type is currently being offered for export and has been exported to a number of countries. This boat is a natural replacement for the early Tarantul-1 and the Osa type missile boats.
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    Post  ALAMO Wed Feb 02, 2022 10:16 am

    ... and the boat upgraded with Pancyr, is the 1241.1M, being a version o 1241RE made for the WMF.
    It is not that complicated, really Very Happy

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    Post  lancelot Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:06 am

    They should build a replacement for the Karakurt which uses small gas turbine engines to solve the Zvezda engine bottleneck.
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    Post  Mir Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:42 pm

    ALAMO wrote:... and the boat upgraded with Pancyr, is the 1241.1M, being a version o 1241RE made for the WMF.
    It is not that complicated, really Very Happy

    The boat was a single unit known as the Pr.12417 and specially built by the Sredne-Nevskiy shipyard as a testbed for the Kashtan/Kortik system - and now the Pantsir.
    Initially known as the R-71 it was laid down in 1981 and commissioned in 1985. In 2014 it was renamed Shuya. Smile
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:45 pm

    Exercise off Ireland.

    Its slowly becoming clear who is joining in, no particular order.

    Meanwhile, as a minimum 2x Tu-95 and 2x Tu-142 have been pestering the RAF today. They will be overworked for the next 6 days.

    The Steregushchiy-Class corvettes RFS 531 Soobrazitelny and RFS 545 Stoikiy of the Baltic Fleet's departed on a long-distance deployment,today, on 24 January 2022

    Jan 31
    The Northern Fleet group is now heading to the English Channel. Confirmed group composition are:

    • RKR / CG Marshal Ustinov
    • BPK / DD Vice-Admiral Kulakov
    • FR / FFG Admiral Kasatonov
    • Seagoing Rescue Tug SB-406
    • Medium seagoing tanker Vyazma and Kama

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    #ВМФFlag of Russia#Russian #Navy Russian corvettes of the Baltic Fleet passed the English Channel yesterday almost unnoticed by the British media. Slightly smiling face
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    Russian Navy Project 1155 Udaloy-class destroyer RFS Vice-Admiral Kulakov (626) southbound in the English Channel - February 1, 2022

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    Exercise in Med

    The 3 Pacific Fleet ships are now northbound in the Suez Canal. Its going to be busy in the Med for the next week.

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    Post  Krepost Wed Feb 02, 2022 10:15 pm

    Vice-Admiral Kulakov at Pas-De-Calais
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    Meanwhile, the Varyag battlegroup (from the Pacific fleet) is now crossing the Suez cannal.
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    Post  Krepost Wed Feb 02, 2022 10:25 pm

    3 ships in repair at Sevastopol

    Nikolai Filichenko (Alligator class)
    Muromets (Grisha class)
    Yamal (Ropucha class)
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    Post  George1 Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:41 pm

    Exercises of Black Sea Fleet submarine crews on the basis of the Afalina and Gefest training complexes

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