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For Karas you are probably right but I would gladly pay a ticket to Saint Petersburg or to Sevastopol to see the Slava class cruiser Moskva when he will be retired.PapaDragon wrote:limb wrote:Now if they preserve the kashin, kara, and sovremenny destroyers too it would be the best naval museum in the world.
They already have Sovremeni in Krondshtad and last Kashin is preserved in Sevastopol
Karas are all scraped, too big to maintain as museum with very little history behind them
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Russian Navy: Status and News #5
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Rodion_Romanovic wrote:For Karas you are probably right but I would gladly pay a ticket to Saint Petersburg or to Sevastopol to see the Slava class cruiser Moskva when he will be retired.PapaDragon wrote:limb wrote:Now if they preserve the kashin, kara, and sovremenny destroyers too it would be the best naval museum in the world.
They already have Sovremeni in Krondshtad and last Kashin is preserved in Sevastopol
Karas are all scraped, too big to maintain as museum with very little history behind them
Moskva did serve in Syria so they might have something there and there's plenty of time but it's gonna cost a boatload
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Fleet Day, Sevastopol, 25.07.21. TPTB said a few weeks ago that they would not have the holiday this year. Apparently Black Sea Flot told them otherwise, ergo a week ago it was announced a go for today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXgMTcyMU8I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXgMTcyMU8I
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auslander wrote:Fleet Day, Sevastopol, 25.07.21. TPTB said a few weeks ago that they would not have the holiday this year. Apparently Black Sea Flot told them otherwise, ergo a week ago it was announced a go for today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXgMTcyMU8I
So who has the power again
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Some history:
In St. Petersburg, a bas-relief dedicated to the victory of the Russian fleet over the Turkish one in the Chesma Bay, July 7, 1770, was opened in the Admiralty building.
"There are many significant events in the military history of the Fatherland that cause a sense of pride for the country and its Navy. Among them is the triumphant victory of Russian sailors in the Battle of Chesma on July 7, 1770" - the Russian Defense Minister said at the opening ceremony of the bas-relief.
He noted that the crushing defeat of the Turkish squadron, which is superior in the number of ships and gun power, was inflicted by the Russian fleet thanks to brilliant naval decisions and the unparalleled steadfastness and bravery of officers and sailors.
In St. Petersburg, a bas-relief dedicated to the victory of the Russian fleet over the Turkish one in the Chesma Bay, July 7, 1770, was opened in the Admiralty building.
"There are many significant events in the military history of the Fatherland that cause a sense of pride for the country and its Navy. Among them is the triumphant victory of Russian sailors in the Battle of Chesma on July 7, 1770" - the Russian Defense Minister said at the opening ceremony of the bas-relief.
He noted that the crushing defeat of the Turkish squadron, which is superior in the number of ships and gun power, was inflicted by the Russian fleet thanks to brilliant naval decisions and the unparalleled steadfastness and bravery of officers and sailors.
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PapaDragon wrote:
Karas are all scraped, too big to maintain as museum with very little history behind them
Just a side note but I've always wondered why the Soviet Navy opted to use most of the Kara class cruisers in the Black Sea/Med, whilst they operated most of the older and much smaller Kresta2's in the Northern Fleet? Both of them served in the Pacific (3 each) though.
I would have used most of the Kresta 2's in the Black Sea/Med.
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Probably has to do with where they are built (and maintained). The Kara class cruisers were built in a Ukrainian shipyard, while the Kresta 2s were built in St. Petersburg. Would be awfully inconvenient to have to transit almost half-way around the globe just to get something fixed, don't you think?Mir wrote:
Just a side note but I've always wondered why the Soviet Navy opted to use most of the Kara class cruisers in the Black Sea/Med, whilst they operated most of the older and much smaller Kresta2's in the Northern Fleet? Both of them served in the Pacific (3 each) though.
I would have used most of the Kresta 2's in the Black Sea/Med.
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lyle6 wrote:Probably has to do with where they are built (and maintained). The Kara class cruisers were built in a Ukrainian shipyard, while the Kresta 2s were built in St. Petersburg. Would be awfully inconvenient to have to transit almost half-way around the globe just to get something fixed, don't you think?Mir wrote:
Just a side note but I've always wondered why the Soviet Navy opted to use most of the Kara class cruisers in the Black Sea/Med, whilst they operated most of the older and much smaller Kresta2's in the Northern Fleet? Both of them served in the Pacific (3 each) though.
I would have used most of the Kresta 2's in the Black Sea/Med.
Yes I thought about that BUT both these ship classes served in the Pacific as well - but yes I guess that makes sense.
As a youngster I remember those Krestas actually transited around the Cape of Good Hope a few times as well, so they must have had reasonably good sea keeping qualities despite being a bit top heavy.
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Six ships and submarines are planned to be laid in Russia on August 9-10
Two "strategists" will be laid down at PO "Sevmash", two corvettes - at the Amur shipyard, two "Varshavyanki" - at "Admiralty shipyards", a source said.
MOSCOW, July 30. / TASS /. It is planned to lay down six ships and submarines at the enterprises of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) on August 9-10. This was reported to TASS by a source in the shipbuilding industry.
"At the moment there is no exact date yet, but it is planned that on August 9-10 two strategic nuclear submarine missile cruisers of project 955A Borey-A, two corvettes of project 20380, two submarines of project 636.3 will be laid down," he said. adding that earlier it was supposed to do this on the eve of May 9.
According to the interlocutor of the agency, two "strategists" will be laid down at the Sevmash production plant, two corvettes at the Amur shipyard, and two Varshavyanki at the Admiralty shipyards.
The submarines Dmitry Donskoy and Prince Potemkin will be laid down at Sevmash, the submarines Mozhaisk and Yakutsk (the fifth and sixth boats in a series of six Project 636.3 ships for the Pacific Fleet) at the Admiralty Shipyards. to the bookmark the corvettes of the project 20380 were named "Grozny" and "Buyny".
TASS has no official comments from USC enterprises.
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/12021127
Two "strategists" will be laid down at PO "Sevmash", two corvettes - at the Amur shipyard, two "Varshavyanki" - at "Admiralty shipyards", a source said.
MOSCOW, July 30. / TASS /. It is planned to lay down six ships and submarines at the enterprises of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) on August 9-10. This was reported to TASS by a source in the shipbuilding industry.
"At the moment there is no exact date yet, but it is planned that on August 9-10 two strategic nuclear submarine missile cruisers of project 955A Borey-A, two corvettes of project 20380, two submarines of project 636.3 will be laid down," he said. adding that earlier it was supposed to do this on the eve of May 9.
According to the interlocutor of the agency, two "strategists" will be laid down at the Sevmash production plant, two corvettes at the Amur shipyard, and two Varshavyanki at the Admiralty shipyards.
The submarines Dmitry Donskoy and Prince Potemkin will be laid down at Sevmash, the submarines Mozhaisk and Yakutsk (the fifth and sixth boats in a series of six Project 636.3 ships for the Pacific Fleet) at the Admiralty Shipyards. to the bookmark the corvettes of the project 20380 were named "Grozny" and "Buyny".
TASS has no official comments from USC enterprises.
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/12021127
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New fregate project 22350M will be laid down in 2023 
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/12030371
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/12030371
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I don't think they are going to waste too much space in the huge new "boathouse" for too long! 
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Mir wrote:I don't think they are going to waste too much space in the huge new "boathouse" for too long!
Couple of more Gorshkovs would fill it up nicely until 2023
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Arrow wrote:New fregate project 22350M will be laid down in 2023
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/12030371
FUKUS becoming ****-us??
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Apparently some of the junk that Ukraine left in Crimea has been repaired and could be incorporated into the Russian Navy.
https://diana-mihailova.livejournal.com/6801818.html
The flag and jack of the Russian Navy were raised on the large landing ship of the Ukrainian Navy "Konstantin Olshansky" board number 402
The "russian aggressor" has kindly painted the large landing ship of the Ukrainian Navy "Konstantin Olshansky", which is stationed in Sevastopol. The ship also received the tail number 402. The flag and jack of the Russian Navy were raised above the ship.
BDK-56 is a Soviet large landing ship of project 775. Built in Poland by order of the USSR, in 1985 it became part of the Black Sea Fleet. In 1991 it was named "Konstantin Olshansky". During the division of the Black Sea Fleet in 1997, it went to Ukraine; in 2014 he was interned by Russia in Sevastopol.
In the Naval Forces of Ukraine he wore the side number U402.
Since 2014, he remains interned, since the conditions for the return of the BDK cannot be agreed with the government of Ukraine.
The ship was painted in the colors of the Russian Navy, it was repaired and restored, including two diesel engines, one of which did not work even before the events in Crimea, and the second was damaged by the Ukrainian crew. A new crew has been formed.
https://diana-mihailova.livejournal.com/6801818.html
The flag and jack of the Russian Navy were raised on the large landing ship of the Ukrainian Navy "Konstantin Olshansky" board number 402
The "russian aggressor" has kindly painted the large landing ship of the Ukrainian Navy "Konstantin Olshansky", which is stationed in Sevastopol. The ship also received the tail number 402. The flag and jack of the Russian Navy were raised above the ship.
BDK-56 is a Soviet large landing ship of project 775. Built in Poland by order of the USSR, in 1985 it became part of the Black Sea Fleet. In 1991 it was named "Konstantin Olshansky". During the division of the Black Sea Fleet in 1997, it went to Ukraine; in 2014 he was interned by Russia in Sevastopol.
In the Naval Forces of Ukraine he wore the side number U402.
Since 2014, he remains interned, since the conditions for the return of the BDK cannot be agreed with the government of Ukraine.
The ship was painted in the colors of the Russian Navy, it was repaired and restored, including two diesel engines, one of which did not work even before the events in Crimea, and the second was damaged by the Ukrainian crew. A new crew has been formed.
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Excellent
Large landing ships are at a premium in Russia. The Ivan Gren is the only post-Soviet class they've introduced into service thus far, and they're not building them at a particularly fast pace it must be said
So even an 80s Ropucha-class vessel is welcomed
In Ukrainian service it would only have continued to rot in any case
Large landing ships are at a premium in Russia. The Ivan Gren is the only post-Soviet class they've introduced into service thus far, and they're not building them at a particularly fast pace it must be said
So even an 80s Ropucha-class vessel is welcomed
In Ukrainian service it would only have continued to rot in any case
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WOW! 8 UKSK (64 cells) is massive strike power for a warship, even more firepower than Arleigh Burke-class. So project 22350M will be Russias new destroyer.Arrow wrote:New fregate project 22350M will be laid down in 2023
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/12030371
And what I noticed is that the speed of shipbuilding has increased enormously in Russia and they found finally their favorite ship classes
Good progress! Good work! 
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AMCXXL wrote:Apparently some of the junk that Ukraine left in Crimea has been repaired and could be incorporated into the Russian Navy.
At least something could be saved. Most Uki gear had been so neglected that it was fit for nothing except scrapping.
The Konstantin Olshansky in "moskal" colours must have those Banderite Nazi bastards literally shaking in rage
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AMCXXL wrote:...The ship was painted in the colors of the Russian Navy, it was repaired and restored, including two diesel engines, one of which did not work even before the events in Crimea, and the second was damaged by the Ukrainian crew. A new crew has been formed.
404s can't even damage ther own ship properly
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WOW! 8 UKSK (64 cells) is massive strike power for a warship, even more firepower than Arleigh Burke-class. So project 22350M will be Russias new destroyer.
We can't be sure that these are not just heavy frigates... corvettes are getting bigger and clearly frigates are too, but I rather suspect their Destroyers will be impressive... as will any new cruisers they lay down.
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What makes me wonder, is the official status of this ship 
If there are some issues behind it, this ship would be useful only for own ports transportation, or really close allies like Syria, or strong partners like China etc.
In any other port, it could have been registered.
We'll see.
If there are some issues behind it, this ship would be useful only for own ports transportation, or really close allies like Syria, or strong partners like China etc.
In any other port, it could have been registered.
We'll see.
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ALAMO wrote:What makes me wonder, is the official status of this ship
If there are some issues behind it, this ship would be useful only for own ports transportation, or really close allies like Syria, or strong partners like China etc.
In any other port, it could have been registered.
We'll see.
It's a military ship, no registration needed plus it would only be used in friendly ports anyway
The Ukraine is free to try to seize it back, it would be interesting to watch
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PapaDragon wrote:ALAMO wrote:What makes me wonder, is the official status of this ship
If there are some issues behind it, this ship would be useful only for own ports transportation, or really close allies like Syria, or strong partners like China etc.
In any other port, it could have been registered.
We'll see.
It's a military ship, no registration needed plus it would only be used in friendly ports anyway
The Ukraine is free to try to seize it back, it would be interesting to watch
Turkey may prevent it out of the black sea as part of the sanctions. They don't consider it as russian but ukrainian.
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ALAMO wrote:What makes me wonder, is the official status of this ship
If there are some issues behind it, this ship would be useful only for own ports transportation, or really close allies like Syria, or strong partners like China etc.
In any other port, it could have been registered.
We'll see.
It's a vessel of the Russian Navy
That's the only status it needs, and the only one other countries best pay attention to
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Never heard of registering a navy ship , still, that makes me wonder.
Remember "the good 90s"?
When Russians were forced to hide the equipment brought to aviation salons, because some Swiss-based company was running like crazy around, trying to make sequestration of all the goods due to some unresolved lawsuits?
Can't remember now, if that was applied to the private property of exhibitors, not being WWS boards?
This is why I consider its legal status.
A trophy? A war prey?
Probably nothing will happen, those are not 90s anymore
, still, that makes me wonder. Remember "the good 90s"?
When Russians were forced to hide the equipment brought to aviation salons, because some Swiss-based company was running like crazy around, trying to make sequestration of all the goods due to some unresolved lawsuits?
Can't remember now, if that was applied to the private property of exhibitors, not being WWS boards?
This is why I consider its legal status.
A trophy? A war prey?
Probably nothing will happen, those are not 90s anymore
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ALAMO wrote:Never heard of registering a navy ship
Remember "the good 90s"?
When Russians were forced to hide the equipment brought to aviation salons, because some Swiss-based company was running like crazy around, trying to make sequestration of all the goods due to some unresolved lawsuits?
Can't remember now, if that was applied to the private property of exhibitors, not being WWS boards?
This is why I consider its legal status.
A trophy? A war prey?
Probably nothing will happen, those are not 90s anymore
Yep they tried to take a sukhoi in Paris airshow back in the time.
The organisators told the russians which went back home before they come.
But that's a particular case since it was for a civilian event and done according to french law. Seizing it in internationnal space is an act of war. And more sukhois would have headed in Swiss
. But if that ship goes into the waters of a country that doesn't recognize Crimea as part of Russia for exemple after an accident and has to go there, it won't be given back to Russia but to Ukraine.
That ship was ukrinian and was never given by ukraine so it's a stolen ship.
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