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    Post  Arrow Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:22 am

    already satisfactorily implemented and Tsirkon will only make that lethality overwhelming for the next 5 to 10 years wrote:

    It is very doubtful that the Western navies would introduce such advanced anti-ship missiles as the Tsirkon. They won't even reach the upgrade level of the Onix. In addition, the Russians attach it to ships with a displacement of 900 tons. And what the LCS USA weapons look like is a lot of laughter.Russian frigates are much better armed than their Western counterparts. The US at this time must order frigates in Europe ...

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:26 am

    The US has enormous pockets and literally prints its own money... for last century and until quite recently it had no rivals... no one really even came close... at best the Soviets had four anti sub Kiev class carriers that could also carry big anti ship missiles, and there were Kirov class cruisers and Oscar class subs.... everything else was not very scary to them at all... though late model Victors were getting rather good and the Akula was dangerous as was the Sierras... and the Alpha was a surprise... the thing is that there were never a lot of them and they weren't used aggressively trying to take Americas place in any way.

    Now the Chinese are building lots of new ships and Russia is clearly in the process of doing more than just having a fleet of tiny corvettes and frigates... even their corvettes and frigates are 21st century in terms of electronics.

    In the US Navy the only ships that are net centric are their AEGIS cruisers together with their new carriers... their smaller ships are not so tied in and digital...

    It is a bit like on land where the west has the same old 70 vehicles they have had for almost 50 years and Russia is in the process of introducing not one new family, but three new families of scratch designed new vehicles... like the navy it will take time to get it all in to service and working properly but all vehicles have excellent sensors and weapons and communications systems and are all linked in together as a proper team...

    The Navy and Air Force are keen to do the same.

    The west is left behind and has a lot of work to do but the idea that they will get together and develop something they can all agree on... because it needs to link together with HATO allies when they cooperate... who sets the standard... US, France, UK, Germany, Italy, Spain... etc etc...
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:38 am

    Russia is considering the possibility of creating floating airfields
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    For further use in the Arctic zone, Russia is considering the possibility of creating floating airfields. The Nevskoye Design Bureau has already taken up this issue.

    This is reported in the materials of the PKB, dedicated to the 90th anniversary of this organization and received at the disposal of the news agency TASS.

    It says that such floating platforms will become centers that resolve issues of providing all spheres of activity of the Russian Federation and its partners in the Arctic zone. Now the bureau is carrying out a pre-design study of the constructive appearance of these unusual airfields.

    The Nevsky PKB reported that such floating platforms are capable of providing aircraft with their runways in any weather in the harsh conditions of the Arctic. They can be used by transport, military and rescue aviation... They will serve as a basis for the development of Arctic gas fields, ensure the safe operation of the Northern Sea Route, and will also be used to solve the tasks set by the Russian Ministry of Defense.

    The Nevsky Design Bureau is part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation. It created about 300 ships and vessels, including the flagships of the fleets of Russia, China and India.

    https://en.topwar.ru/179150-v-rossii-rassmatrivajut-vozmozhnost-sozdanija-plavuchih-ajerodromov.html
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    Post  Isos Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:27 pm

    Russian navy will have hard time tracking this US ship that enters black sea to help USS Donald Cook lol1 .

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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:22 am

    Given that its stack is painted with stripes in Ukropian colours, it is only fitting that the ship has a delapidated, ramshackle, broken-down, rusted-to-the-gunnels appearance.  Like everything else in that benighted shithole of a failed state.  Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  calripson Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:22 am

    Isos wrote:Russian navy will have hard time tracking this US ship that enters black sea to help USS Donald Cook  lol1 .

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    Ships in storage in the Philadelphia Naval Yard have the same color scheme. I wonder what it means? It does happen to be the city colors of Philadelphia.
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    Post  Backman Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:46 am

    USS Reagan also has some rust streaks. I don't recall seeing this much rust on the USN in years past

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    Post  The-thing-next-door Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:22 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Russia is considering the possibility of creating floating airfields
    Russian Navy: Status and News #5 - Page 18 1611035608_pkb2

    For further use in the Arctic zone, Russia is considering the possibility of creating floating airfields. The Nevskoye Design Bureau has already taken up this issue.

    This is reported in the materials of the PKB, dedicated to the 90th anniversary of this organization and received at the disposal of the news agency TASS.

    It says that such floating platforms will become centers that resolve issues of providing all spheres of activity of the Russian Federation and its partners in the Arctic zone. Now the bureau is carrying out a pre-design study of the constructive appearance of these unusual airfields.

    The Nevsky PKB reported that such floating platforms are capable of providing aircraft with their runways in any weather in the harsh conditions of the Arctic. They can be used by transport, military and rescue aviation... They will serve as a basis for the development of Arctic gas fields, ensure the safe operation of the Northern Sea Route, and will also be used to solve the tasks set by the Russian Ministry of Defense.

    The Nevsky Design Bureau is part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation. It created about 300 ships and vessels, including the flagships of the fleets of Russia, China and India.

    https://en.topwar.ru/179150-v-rossii-rassmatrivajut-vozmozhnost-sozdanija-plavuchih-ajerodromov.html

    If these are as the article says airfields capable of operating transport aircraft then these would actually be far better than aircraft carriers.

    You could tow them into range of whatever western backed cesspool and bomb it into oblivion with Tu22s and Tu160s.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:29 pm

    I suggested this idea a year or 2 ago. If they need a floating NPP & the ice station ship, why not these?
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    Post  Isos Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:37 pm

    calripson wrote:
    Isos wrote:Russian navy will have hard time tracking this US ship that enters black sea to help USS Donald Cook  lol1 .

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    Ships in storage in the Philadelphia Naval Yard have the same color scheme. I wonder what it means? It does happen to be the city colors of Philadelphia.

    Are they shitting in their pants in Siphilisdelphia like this ship Laughing ?
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    Post  franco Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:43 pm

    calripson wrote:
    Isos wrote:Russian navy will have hard time tracking this US ship that enters black sea to help USS Donald Cook  lol1 .

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    Ships in storage in the Philadelphia Naval Yard have the same color scheme. I wonder what it means? It does happen to be the city colors of Philadelphia.

    Shucks I thought they were trying to camouflage it as an Ukrainian ship Very Happy
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:46 am

    Floating airfields are a terrible idea for many reasons.

    The weather could make landings impossible etc, no propulsion means easy targets, on the water means its an even easier target.

    This idea will never see serious funding or the light of day

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    Post  LMFS Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:02 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Floating airfields are a terrible idea for many reasons.

    The weather could make landings impossible etc, no propulsion means easy targets, on the water means its an even easier target.

    This idea will never see serious funding or the light of day

    It is meant for the Arctic, so it is actually not so absurd as it may seem, since it would replace a land base and it would not be meant to sail at high speeds but to extend the Russian footprint in the Arctic. They have the shipbuilding infrastructure for creating big oil platforms and similar equipment, I think it is at least an interesting idea...
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    Post  Isos Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:12 am

    For bigger aircraft they need at least 1-1.5km runway. On water that would be very hard to achieve.

    If it floats directly on the sea it will be affected by the waves and very hard to transport.

    If it is more like a very long boat it will be hard to make if not impossible.

    They can always use amphibious planes for the arctic and land anywhere they want.
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    Post  mnztr Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:53 am

    It can be several platforms that link and can flex. if they are long enough they should not pitch very much
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    Post  LMFS Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:11 am

    mnztr wrote:It can be several platforms that link and can flex. if they are long enough they should not pitch very much

    Yes, the bigger the structure the smaller the pitching, and techniques used for oil platforms could be used, anchoring to the bottom for instance for better stability, or having some active buoyancy control. But I assume these could be anchored in ice, the polar cap is constant at certain latitudes. Such bases would allow to cover the NSR year around from the direction of possible attacks, which today is not really possible.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Jan 27, 2021 11:41 am

    They had portable piers during the cold war where lots of ships in the middle of the ocean would link up and provide services to other ships... ie fuel tankers and supply ships would be part of the grouped ships so you could sail up in a destroyer and take fuel and stores on board from the ships attached to the group.

    In this case I would think they are talking about light transports like An-12 or Il-276 at most, or Be-200 for fire fighting or arctic patrol.

    Remember pontoons linked together can allow a tank to cross water, so bigger pontoons linked together could certainly allow aircraft to land on water.

    It would not be mobile enough to replace a real carrier, but would make sense if you want a relatively fixed landing location off shore where there is no ground and putting it on ice is unpredictable because of varying ice thicknesses at different times of the year.

    At the bare minimum you could land fighters or helicopters and have ships sitting along side these pontoons with fuel or armaments for refuelling and rearming...

    It would be partially moveable, but not designed to actually move around.

    It could be expanded and shrunk down as needed... a few container ships could probably lay down extra sections or pick them up as needed.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:08 pm

    mnztr wrote:It can be several platforms that link and can flex. if they are long enough they should not pitch very much

    that's asking for a crash.....a runway needs to be stable and flat if it can "flex" that creates a whole host of problems.

    despite what the "experts" think there, this idea will not become reality it's just another one of those silly ideas a company comes up with in an effort to get funding.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Jan 28, 2021 3:24 am

    If the sections are 3m square and they flexed when weight was put on them, then I agree a large heavy aircraft landing on them would be a problem... but I would expect these pontoons would be 30m by perhaps 30m so a rather large area of water to support the landing of an aircraft.

    Keep in mind that on land the Sea Harriers were used with a material called PSP or pierced steel planking that was laid down on dirt runways to minimise the effect of downwards facing jet engines on landing and takeoffs.

    I dare say such material moved a bit on landing and takeoff, but it allowed operations of aircraft on surfaces they would normally have no chance of operating from.

    On bare ground... say a grassy field the nozzles of a Harrier rip the ground to pieces and send fountains of dirt into the air intakes... which stops jet engines real quick.

    Pontoons form bridges to carry tanks weighing 50 tons or more across rivers...
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    Post  mnztr Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:10 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    that's asking for a crash.....a runway needs to be stable and flat if it can "flex" that creates a whole host of problems.

    despite what the "experts" think there, this idea will not become reality it's just another one of those silly ideas a company comes up with in an effort to get funding.

    Aircraft carriers are pitching all the time.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:56 am

    mnztr wrote:
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    that's asking for a crash.....a runway needs to be stable and flat if it can "flex" that creates a whole host of problems.

    despite what the "experts" think there, this idea will not become reality it's just another one of those silly ideas a company comes up with in an effort to get funding.

    Aircraft carriers are pitching all the time.

    They do not launch aircraft in rough seas and they are designed to be very stable when they launcher and recover them, they have their own propulsion and the hulls are designed for such things.

    So sorry but you are vastly mistaken.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:02 am

    GarryB wrote:If the sections are 3m square and they flexed when weight was put on them, then I agree a large heavy aircraft landing on them would be a problem... but I would expect these pontoons would be 30m by perhaps 30m so a rather large area of water to support the landing of an aircraft.

    Keep in mind that on land the Sea Harriers were used with a material called PSP or pierced steel planking that was laid down on dirt runways to minimise the effect of downwards facing jet engines on landing and takeoffs.

    I dare say such material moved a bit on landing and takeoff, but it allowed operations of aircraft on surfaces they would normally have no chance of operating from.

    On bare ground... say a grassy field the nozzles of a Harrier rip the ground to pieces and send fountains of dirt into the air intakes... which stops jet engines real quick.

    Pontoons form bridges to carry tanks weighing 50 tons or more across rivers...

    You should be smart enough to realize the difference between a runway on water vs not the ground....these are two totally different situations.

    As for harriers, why are you bringing up VTOL aircraft in a subject where they have nothing to do with it.

    so a floating runway isn't a pontoon bridge, the rivers aren't that long or deep nor do they have the environment you'd faced on the open seas.

    Again this floating runway idea is nothing but some fantasy idea cooked up to get funding its never going to see the light of day.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Feb 13, 2021 8:42 pm

    A heavier FFG will have 48 silos: How "Zircon" will sink US aircraft carriers https://regnum.ru/news/it/3178939.html
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    Post  GarryB Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:40 am

    We have no idea of the details... pontoon sections rigidly linked together could easily form a surface rigid and strong enough to allow aircraft to operate from it...

    And to dismiss it all as an attempt to steal money from taxpayers is amusing from an American... I understand that your MIC is broken and unashamedly steal from the US Taxpayer as a matter of pride, but Russia does not throw money around like they print it when they need more.

    They will no doubt present proposals and prototypes and the holder of the purse strings will decide.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:34 pm

    Why NATO is getting impudent in the Black Sea- no wonder they transferred some boats from the Caspian!

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