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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:44 am

    Russian shipyards often ignore and flaunt rules, now I am not saying COVID will delay laying the ships down. But there is a high chance of infection in any business that has many people very close together and again they cannot wash their hands constantly in that line of work.

    Agree, but this is new territory for everyone... no one has gone through this sort of thing recently and there is no manual or guidebook on how to exit it either.

    With a good healthcare system and checks for flu and illness they need to carry on...

    Russia don't care that much about treaties anyway. Russia annexed Crimea in 1783 in violation of treaty that ended Russia Turkey war. Russia rearmed Crimea in violation of treaty that ended Crimean war. Russia invaded Japan in 1945 in violation of Russia Japan non aggression treaty. Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 in violation of Budapest treaty.

    You make them sound like the UK or France or the US or Israel...
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:03 am

    Isos wrote:US school programs in action Very Happy .

    Living proof that COVID-19 does in fact damage the brain. No
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:14 pm

    The ruling at the Hague international court said that "declarations of independence can and often do violate domestic legislation. However this does not mean it is a violation of international law...

    In fact the US State department stated that "the principle of territorial integrity does not exclude the establishment of new states in the territory of existing states... and Germany says similar things when advising the Hague international court during their deliberations as to whether Kosovo independence is legal under international law....



    Which by inference means the people of the Crimea get to decide whether they are Russian or not....

    And Russia never signed any treaty with Japan, the soviet japan treaty formally ended their conflict in Mongolia but was never meant to be a perpetual agreement... Japan still occupied lots of Soviet territory that the Soviets wanted back and already had an agreement with the Americans to join the war in the Pacific... the Americans demanded it because they were afraid that with the end of the war in Europe the allies might write off the Pacific colonies and leave America to fight Japan on their own. The Yalta agreement demanded Soviet intervention in the Pacific war within 6 months of the end of hostilities in Europe...

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    Post  kvs on Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:51 pm

    I thought that the 2008 ruling by the Hague ICJ on Kosovo asserted that self-determination trumps laws about borders. Are they now backpedaling since
    Crimea's return to Russia does not fit their agenda?

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:10 pm

    ultimatewarrior wrote:Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 in violation of Budapest treaty.

    Get your facts straight! U.S. Congress never ratified the Budapest Treaty only the US president signed it, which means the U.S. made it null-and-void which untied the hands of Uncle Sham. The Budpest Treaty would only be enforced if both the US and Russia RATIFIED the treaty, not just if the their leaders signed it.

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    Post  Isos on Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:16 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    ultimatewarrior wrote:Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 in violation of Budapest treaty.

    Get your facts straight! U.S. Congress never ratified the Budapest Treaty only the US president signed it, which means the U.S. made it null-and-void which untied the hands of Uncle Sham. The Budpest Treaty would only be enforced if both the US and Russia RATIFIED the treaty, not just if the their leaders signed it.

    There is no justice above states with nuclear weapons...

    Who cares about treaties ? US paid neonazis to destroy the country and russia's strategical base of Sevastopol was in danger. If you have a little geopolitical knowledge you know that Russia will take it no matter what was said or signed and by who it was said or signed.

    Ukraine should be happy that Russians are not the evil people west tries to make everyone believe. They took Crimea with not a single gun fire shot.. If it was US protecting its base the country would still be bombed right now...and probably for the next 5 years.

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    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:08 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    ultimatewarrior wrote:Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 in violation of Budapest treaty.

    Get your facts straight! U.S. Congress never ratified the Budapest Treaty only the US president signed it, which means the U.S. made it null-and-void which untied the hands of Uncle Sham. The Budpest Treaty would only be enforced if both the US and Russia RATIFIED the treaty, not just if the their leaders signed it.

    Furthermore, the US abrogated the treaty by engineering a violent coup to overthrow the countries legally and constitutionally elected head of state, then they openly encouraged the coup regime to use military force to crush the dissenters to the putsch. US unilateral regime-change games forced Russia to respond, and now they are bleating about being outplayed...

    Americans are such hypocritical cunts... How the fuck do these pricks look at themselves in the mirror without puking from the shame?  No

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:08 am

    Ukraine should be happy that Russians are not the evil people west tries to make everyone believe. They took Crimea with not a single gun fire shot.. If it was US protecting its base the country would still be bombed right now...and probably for the next 5 years.

    Both Georgia and the Ukraine and probably Belarus and all the Baltic states would have been bombed and had their leaders replaced with pro-Russian puppets by now if Russia was anything like the US...

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:34 pm

    Adm. Nakhimov CGN update: https://ria.ru/20200711/1574170539.html
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jul 13, 2020 4:34 am

    Long-range borders at distances of up to four hundred kilometers will be covered by the system of the newest vertical-launch anti-aircraft missile system "Poliment-Redut".

    So Redut reaches 400km... so it clearly must be able to take the large S-400 missiles...

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    Post  dino00 on Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:26 am

    Sources: a single day of laying the ships planned for July 16

    The so-called unified bookmarking day for ships and submarines for the Russian Navy will take place on July 16, two informed industry sources told Mil.Press FlotProm. According to one of the interlocutors of the publication, there is still a slight likelihood of a postponement, however, even in this case, bookmarks are planned to be held in July

    Earlier on April 28, they planned to lay down six new units for the fleet at once: two frigates of project 22350 at the Severnaya Verf shipyard in St. Petersburg, two multipurpose nuclear submarines of project 885M (code Yasen-M) at Sevmash in Severodvinsk and two universal landing craft at the Zaliv factory in Crimea. Due to the epidemic of coronavirus, the date was postponed .

    Informed sources also told the publication about the names of new ships and submarines.

    The seventh and eighth frigates of the second series of project 22350, which were laid at the Severnaya Verf, decided to be named in honor of the Russian admirals Ivan Yumashev and Emil Spiridonov. Both naval commanders commanded the Pacific Fleet, and Yumashev in 1947-1951 served as commander in chief and naval minister of the USSR.

    One of the two universal landing ships of project 23900 is planned to be named in honor of the Hero City of Sevastopol. The name of the second has not yet been disclosed.

    Two submarines of project 885M will be named in honor of Vladivostok and Voronezh


    https://flotprom.ru/2020/%D0%92%D0%BC%D1%8444/

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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:09 pm

    dino00 wrote:...One of the two universal landing ships of project 23900 is planned to be named in honor of the Hero City of Sevastopol. The name of the second has not yet been disclosed.

    Two submarines of project 885M will be named in honor of Vladivostok and Voronezh...

    So one of Yasen subs swiped the name Vladivostok from new LHD?

    Sevastopol was a battle in addition to being a city, would they use this opportunity to start naming ships after battles? Like Stalingrad, Borodonovo, Kursk, Leningrad...

    It would be nice opportunity to rehabilitate name Kursk. Or was it permanently retired after the disaster?



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    Post  ult on Mon Jul 13, 2020 6:31 pm

    They should name the second ship Kerch now that the name is free. And leave both of them to the Black Sea Fleet.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:41 pm

    ult wrote:They should name the second ship Kerch now that the name is free. And leave both of them to the Black Sea Fleet.

    Does name Kerch have historic significance?
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:44 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    ult wrote:They should name the second ship Kerch now that the name is free. And leave both of them to the Black Sea Fleet.

    Does name Kerch have historic significance?

    Kerch is one of the oldest cities in Crimea and was the sight of a series of battles between the Wehrmacht and the Red Army during WW2 for control of the city from 1941 to 1944.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:52 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    ult wrote:They should name the second ship Kerch now that the name is free. And leave both of them to the Black Sea Fleet.

    Does name Kerch have historic significance?

    Kerch is one of the oldest cities in Crimea and was the sight of a series of battles between the Wehrmacht and the Red Army during WW2 for control of the city from 1941 to 1944.

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    Post  Isos on Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:53 pm

    Or name it USSR and send it in the baltic to patrol just in front of Poland and baltic states lol1 .

    I already suggested that name once for their future carrier.

    Nati reactions would bebso funny lol1 .
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    Post  dino00 on Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:12 pm

    The Russian Mistrals were given the green light. That’s what the fleet calls the universal landing ships (UDC) of the Surf project, which will become a replacement that was never delivered to the Russian Federation due to the sanctions of the French ships. Two of the newest UDCs of project 23900 will be laid before the end of the week, Izvestia sources in the military-industrial complex and military department said. A contract for their construction has been signed; work at the shipyard is already underway. However, the official ceremony will take place only now. The names of the ships will also be announced on it. It is planned that they will be called “Sevastopol” and “Vladivostok”, editorial sources said, not excluding the possibility that the name “Kerch” could be chosen for the second ship.

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    Sevastopol is a great name...Crimea is a good one too.

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    Post  ult on Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:19 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    ult wrote:They should name the second ship Kerch now that the name is free. And leave both of them to the Black Sea Fleet.

    Does name Kerch have historic significance?

    They put attention to the fact that the first ship will be "named in honor of the Hero City of Sevastopol". It just so happens that Kerch is also a Hero City. And both ships will be built there.
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:28 am

    dino00 wrote:Two submarines of project 885M will be named in honor of Vladivostok and Voronezh

    https://flotprom.ru/2020/%D0%92%D0%BC%D1%8444/

    The name Voronezh is already in use for one of the Pr.949A Antei SSGNs. Suspect I can't imagine they plan to retire her, so will she be renamed (or is flotprom simply incorrect?)
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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:53 am

    dino00 wrote:The Russian Mistrals were given the green light. That’s what the fleet calls the universal landing ships (UDC) of the Surf project, which will become a replacement that was never delivered to the Russian Federation due to the sanctions of the French ships. Two of the newest UDCs of project 23900 will be laid before the end of the week, Izvestia sources in the military-industrial complex and military department said. A contract for their construction has been signed; work at the shipyard is already underway. However, the official ceremony will take place only now. The names of the ships will also be announced on it. It is planned that they will be called “Sevastopol” and “Vladivostok”, editorial sources said, not excluding the possibility that the name “Kerch” could be chosen for the second ship.

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    Sevastopol is a great name...Crimea is a good one too.

    With Admiral Kuznetsov due to retire in a few years and sold to China, these LHD will be Russia navy's biggest warships at about 25,000 tons displacement. They will be escorted by frigates like Admiral Gorshkov.
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:50 am

    ultimatewarrior wrote:With Admiral Kuznetsov due to retire in a few years and sold to China...

    Suspect

    Congenital idiocy on display to the world....
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:56 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    ultimatewarrior wrote:With Admiral Kuznetsov due to retire in a few years and sold to China...

    Suspect

    Congenital idiocy on display to the world....

    Indeed, Why would China even purchase the old hull at this stage they are building more modern CV's, makes no sense to buy a soviet era ship for them anymore.

    The only reason the Russians even use it is that they have no other option at this time
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    Post  Isos on Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:35 am

    Idiocy aside, India could be interested.

    Another country that coyld be interested is Singapour. US aligned country but theorically they could be interested. They spend a lot in defence but have a really small country and their airports are suffering from this (they can be destroyed easily). A moving air base armed with 24 mig-29k or mig 35 would be a good choice.

    Potential other buyers can be saudi arabia or UAE. Egypt could have it if Saudis buy it for them to support their Mistral. They also get involved in lot of wars so that could help them. Also Turkey's ambitions won't stop to Syria and Libya, a Kuznetsov would help containing them.


    Russia with the money (easily 4 billion $ on the export market for the ship) could start a new Lamantin carrier.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:07 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    ultimatewarrior wrote:With Admiral Kuznetsov due to retire in a few years and sold to China...

    Suspect

    Congenital idiocy on display to the world....

    Indeed, Why would China even purchase the old hull at this stage they are building more modern CV's, makes no sense to buy a soviet era ship for them anymore.

    The only reason the Russians even use it is that they have no other option at this time

    China needs to have at least 6 carriers before 2030 to counter US navy in the Pacific. Currently they only got 2 carriers and building the third. Admiral Kuznetsov is relatively new, commissioned in the 1990s. Russia is downsizing and getting rid of carriers, Kirov class cruisers, because of high cost. China will buy Admiral Kuznetsov, refurbish it, and commissioned it by the late 2020s.

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