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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Fri May 15, 2020 5:42 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:Some news bits :

    - The Georgy  Kurbatov minesweeper will be launched during June 2020. This is the project 12700 vessel that burned at the plant during construction. The damage has been repaired.

    - The 8th project 12700 minesweeper will be laid down this summer

    - Yantar  shipyard is building 2 project 11356 frigates for the Indian navy. These are the ex- Admirals Butakov and Istomin. It is now confirmed that they will have Ukrainian engines.

    - The project 20380 corvette Retivy that was launched earlier this March is destined to the Black Sea fleet.

    - A project 22160 class ship is very active in the East Mediterranean,  it was seen recently in the port of Tartous,  Syria. Probably the D. Rogachov.

    - The veteran Smetlivy will no longer sail. She is now being fitted as a museum ship.

    - The 7500 tons project 23700 Rescue vessel Voevoda will begin sea trials this fall.

    - The Black Sea Fleet will receive the 3500 T project 03182 tanker Vice Admiral Pomarov at the end of this year or early next year.


    So it looks like Priboy class helicopter carrier and Admiral Gorshkov frigate will be delayed to next year at least due to COVID. Also the fate of the first Gremyashchiy class corvette is in question after unsatisfactory sea trial.
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    Post  owais.usmani on Fri May 15, 2020 7:28 pm

    ultimatewarrior wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:Some news bits :

    - The Georgy  Kurbatov minesweeper will be launched during June 2020. This is the project 12700 vessel that burned at the plant during construction. The damage has been repaired.

    - The 8th project 12700 minesweeper will be laid down this summer

    - Yantar  shipyard is building 2 project 11356 frigates for the Indian navy. These are the ex- Admirals Butakov and Istomin. It is now confirmed that they will have Ukrainian engines.

    - The project 20380 corvette Retivy that was launched earlier this March is destined to the Black Sea fleet.

    - A project 22160 class ship is very active in the East Mediterranean,  it was seen recently in the port of Tartous,  Syria. Probably the D. Rogachov.

    - The veteran Smetlivy will no longer sail. She is now being fitted as a museum ship.

    - The 7500 tons project 23700 Rescue vessel Voevoda will begin sea trials this fall.

    - The Black Sea Fleet will receive the 3500 T project 03182 tanker Vice Admiral Pomarov at the end of this year or early next year.


    So it looks like Priboy class helicopter carrier and Admiral Gorshkov frigate will be delayed to next year at least due to COVID. Also the fate of the first Gremyashchiy class corvette is in question after unsatisfactory sea trial.

    I would say your fate is not looking good, even after you just had a one week leave.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri May 15, 2020 8:03 pm

    The Vityaz-D submarine installed a pennant in honor of the 75th anniversary of Victory at the bottom of the Mariana Trench
    https://rg.ru/2020/05/15/glubokovodnyj-vitiaz-d-mozhet-propisatsia-na-tihookeanskom-flote.html

    ..the creation of technical means within the framework of the Vityaz-D project will allow solving problems in the interests of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in all regions of the ocean without exception and form a basic platform for creating advanced technical means for developing the World Ocean," the press service quoted Koroleva as saying Pacific Fleet.
    https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=531892&lang=RU

    https://rg.ru/2020/05/12/avtonomnyj-vitiaz-d-ispytali-na-dne-marianskoj-vpadiny.html
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    Post  GarryB on Sat May 16, 2020 2:34 am

    First they need at least that many modern Frigates & Corvettes completed, at least 3 of each per fleet & should be 6 of each.

    Well not really... having these ships would give Frigates and Corvettes a purpose, so they can and are making both at the same time...

    These will significantly expand the number of different roles the Russian Navy can perform... which is all you can expect from new ships.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat May 16, 2020 4:31 am

    hoom wrote:First they need at least that many modern Frigates & Corvettes completed, at least 3 of each per fleet & should be 6 of each.

    Corvettes and frigates are already in production, all it takes now is will to build more

    Designs are completed and proven, only thing missing is decision



    These transport ships are something that was completely missing from the roster and which need to be built in order to fill the gap that is about to occur when old ones hit expiration date

    To say nothing of the fact that with this class they salvaged all the time and money dropped into original Gren-class and turned failure into success




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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Sat May 16, 2020 4:36 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    hoom wrote:First they need at least that many modern Frigates & Corvettes completed, at least 3 of each per fleet & should be 6 of each.

    Corvettes and frigates are already in production, all it takes now is will to build more

    Designs are completed and proven, only thing missing is decision



    These transport ships are something that was completely missing from the roster and which need to be built in order to fill the gap that is about to occur when old ones hit expiration date

    To say nothing of the fact that with this class they salvaged all the time and money dropped into original Gren-class and turned failure into success





    Currently there is 1 Admiral Gorshkov class frigate. Still waiting on the first Gremyashchiy class corvette.
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat May 16, 2020 4:50 am

    TheArmenian wrote:Some news bits :

    - The veteran Smetlivy will no longer sail. She is now being fitted as a museum ship.


    Very good news indeed!  Very Happy  The Kashins were iconic ships of their day, and we've been fortunate indeed that one unit has survived in service this long and remains in good condition.

    Hopefully we'll see the same for one of the surviving 1135s, either Ladny or Pytlivy.
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    Post  Isos on Sat May 16, 2020 9:26 am

    Currently there is 1 Admiral Gorshkov class frigate. Still waiting on the first Gremyashchiy class corvette.

    3 build and more in production.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat May 16, 2020 11:33 am

    Currently there is a brand new frigate design of a multirole nature that is fully tested and in service and they are in the process of bringing two more into service status... more are on their way.
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    Post  medo on Sat May 16, 2020 2:54 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:- The 7500 tons project 23700 Rescue vessel Voevoda will begin sea trials this fall.

    Wasn't this ship for ministries of trade and transport, what means for civil user?
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    Post  walle83 on Sun May 24, 2020 1:06 pm

    GarryB wrote:Currently there is a brand new frigate design of a multirole nature that is fully tested and in service and they are in the process of bringing two more into service status... more are on their way.

    Brand new? Try 15+ years by now.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun May 24, 2020 1:49 pm

    walle83 wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Currently there is a brand new frigate design of a multirole nature that is fully tested and in service and they are in the process of bringing two more into service status... more are on their way.

    Brand new? Try 15+ years by now.

    And they still refuse to build them in more than one shipyard

    But they do regularly show fanart for nuclear carriers lol1
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    Post  GarryB on Sun May 24, 2020 1:53 pm

    Brand new in the sense that only US cruisers have fire power that could be compared... where those expensive cruisers carry more tubes but don't have better weapons... I'd say that is still pretty good.

    HATO countries have nothing similar of their own design except the US.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun May 24, 2020 4:18 pm

    GarryB wrote:Brand new in the sense that only US cruisers have fire power that could be compared... where those expensive cruisers carry more tubes but don't have better weapons... I'd say that is still pretty good.

    HATO countries have nothing similar of their own design except the US.

    Most navies have more ships than Russian one has missiles

    Couple of boutique frigates don't mean squat if anyone ever decides to shoot back

    Fortunately for Russia they have nuclear arsenal to give their Navy veneer of credibility but even that has worn away for most people

    Nobody takes their surface component seriously and handful of 15 year old "new" frigates slotted into Soviet leftovers are hardly a threat



    Also that "misspelling" of NATO isn't nearly as cool as some people think it looks

    They maybe dicks but they know how to remove enemies



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    Post  Isos on Sun May 24, 2020 8:04 pm

    Most navies have more ships than Russian one has missiles

    Most navies would be destroyed by only the russian SSN easily. None would survive a direct attack on russian coasts.

    They maybe dicks but they know how to remove enemies

    Weak enemies you mean ... They couldn't do anything against Talibans, USSR, China or Vietnam.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun May 24, 2020 8:49 pm

    Pac. Fleet update: https://iz.ru/1014468/dmitrii-boltenkov/obnovlenie-po-tikhomu-dlia-chego-tof-vooruzhaiut-novymi-korabliami
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon May 25, 2020 12:16 am

    Isos wrote:
    Most navies have more ships than Russian one has missiles

    Most navies would be destroyed by only the russian SSN easily. None would survive a direct attack on russian coasts.

    And you just proved my point, it's not Russian surface fleet that​ does anything or has any value, it's other branches of armed forces that do all the work



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    They maybe dicks but they know how to remove enemies

    Weak enemies you mean ... They couldn't do anything against Talibans, USSR, China or Vietnam.

    Taliban: stone age, they could erase them but bad PR and all that

    USSR: dead and buried, flawless victory

    China: it's early days yet, technically they are still allies

    Vietnam: I give you this but in the end it didn't matter, they still castrated the commies


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    Post  Isos on Mon May 25, 2020 12:29 am


    And you just proved my point, it's not Russian surface fleet that​ does anything or has any value, it's other branches of armed forces that do all the work

    It's not a secret they don't see navy as a priority. As long as it can protect their shores ...


    Rest is off topic but I disagree. Talibans were already at stone age and they want to stay at that level. US didn't win.

    USSR collapsed alone. Militarly they were stronger than US.

    Vietnam lost a lot but they defended their land against the agressor. A man comes into your home you prefere to fight and get hit or do nothing and become his slave or killed ?
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon May 25, 2020 2:34 am

    Isos wrote:

    And you just proved my point, it's not Russian surface fleet that​ does anything or has any value, it's other branches of armed forces that do all the work

    It's not a secret they don't see navy as a priority. As long as it can protect their shores ...

    Which means that they are irrelevant

    Having couple of "new" frigates built in decade and a half without even making effort to build them in more than one place says it all



    Isos wrote:USSR collapsed alone. Militarly they were stronger than US.

    USSR was defeated by USA without them having to even fire a single shot

    It's the same thing that Russia did to the Ukraine in Crimea, absolute domination on every possible level, Sovs couldn't even muster the will to stay in the game

    USSR had a military which they could no longer afford to feed and clothe, they had no military strength at all

    Total defeat



    Isos wrote:Vietnam lost a lot but they defended their land against the agressor. A man comes into your home you prefere to fight and get hit or do nothing and become his slave or killed ?

    They won, no doubt about it

    But had Vietnamese had even slightly lower birthrate they would have ceased to exist

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    Post  GarryB on Mon May 25, 2020 8:36 am

    Most navies have more ships than Russian one has missiles

    Bullshit... the entire Royal Navy is actually tiny... one Oscar II class submarine could take out the bulk of the Royal Navy just using its 24 Granits, the French navy is probably not that much better off, but if you don't count the US Navy the rest of HATO navies are not that impressive in terms of numbers or performance.

    A single upgraded Oscar with 72 Onyx missiles could rip the guts out of any fleet and make them retreat at maximum speed.

    Couple of boutique frigates don't mean squat if anyone ever decides to shoot back

    A couple of frigates carrying a modern equivalent of the AEGIS system, but with better missiles... I can understand you under rating them because Serbias navy is so powerful...

    Fortunately for Russia they have nuclear arsenal to give their Navy veneer of credibility but even that has worn away for most people

    Most people are idiots and believe what HollowWood shows them...

    Nobody takes their surface component seriously and handful of 15 year old "new" frigates slotted into Soviet leftovers are hardly a threat

    Hahahahahahaha... yes... of course Putin is building Frigates to threaten... why else would anyone need a navy... the irony is that even with onyx missiles fitted no HATO ship is safe and I am including the 100K ton super carriers.

    Also that "misspelling" of NATO isn't nearly as cool as some people think it looks

    It is spelled HATO in cyrillic... and is much more appropriate spelling because it shows their ethos...


    They maybe dicks but they know how to remove enemies

    Weak ones they certainly do, but strong ones like the Nazis they let the Soviets defeat first...

    Most navies would be destroyed by only the russian SSN easily. None would survive a direct attack on russian coasts.

    And that is all they want. If they were HATO they would demand 20 CVNs to spread the word of the Ori...

    They couldn't do anything against Talibans, USSR, China or Vietnam.

    And the Nazis... or even the Cubans and North Koreans and Iranians...

    And you just proved my point, it's not Russian surface fleet that​ does anything or has any value, it's other branches of armed forces that do all the work

    You pretending you had a point now?

    The Russian surface fleet is being rebuilt now and its primary role is self defence.... but as new ships are built it can transition to protecting foreign interests including allies from the west... but that is going to take time.

    Taliban: stone age, they could erase them but bad PR and all that

    Then they should have defeated them easily in the 20 odd years they have had troops there... when the Soviets were there the Muj were supported by a superpower (US) and Pakistan and Saudi Arabia... what is Americas excuse?

    USSR: dead and buried, flawless victory

    Yeah, but judged suicide rather than homicide.

    China: it's early days yet, technically they are still allies

    Technically China is communist and Russia is a democracy... China is on the way up and the west on the way down...

    Vietnam: I give you this but in the end it didn't matter, they still castrated the commies

    Really... because about a year ago the number of billionaires and millionaires in China surpassed the number of each in the US... which was largely helped by the fact that the number of rich people in the US is decreasing while their individual wealth gets bigger...

    Rest is off topic but I disagree. Talibans were already at stone age and they want to stay at that level. US didn't win.

    Worse than that... it was going to be a cake walk and they were going to bring peace and democracy to Afghanistan and women were going to get all sorts of human rights and they were going to drag them into the 21st century... instead they just killed a lot of them...

    Which means that they are irrelevant

    Protecting the country is irrelevant?

    So what is relevant... being able to invade 3rd world countries like Serbia and steal their wealth and make their people think they are in paradise while they are getting ass raped?

    Man. you sound like you are getting your Kool Aide straight from the nipple.... is there an NSA agent with a gun to your head or is this your new job... selling uncle sams shit for a living?

    Having couple of "new" frigates built in decade and a half without even making effort to build them in more than one place says it all

    Developing several Corvettes and Frigates and Submarines from scratch with all new technology making them all fully multirole for the first time in Soviet and Russian Navy history did take a while... made worse by disruption by problems with a gun mount and engine and transmission supply... but to be fair that 100mm gun they had problems with has the range and power of the old 100mm guns but in a gun mount the weight of the old 76.2mm guns... so it was a serious improvement in fire power and performance and therefore well worth the wait.

    Those corvettes and Frigates are fitted with the Sigma combat system... the modern equivalent of the AEGIS system.... BTW the US system is in a shambles which is part of the reason they keep running in to cargo ships in the dark because their system is broken and no one will man up and get it fixed.

    USSR was defeated by USA without them having to even fire a single shot

    The US spent trillions of dollars on weapons and bases world wide instead of on the welfare of their own people... they could have had free healthcare free education and cured cancer by now with all that money wasted and that continues to be wasted... most of their 23 trillion dollar debt went in to the cold war and looking at the 1.5 trillon on the F-35 plus extra to restart F-15 production because the F-35 is no good, plus 16 billion on the new Ford carrier class that is a dog or the 35 billion spent on three Zumwalt destroyers that are pathetic wastes of money... they were going to save money by using a gun instead of missiles but the ammo for the gun cost more than the missiles so they are not using the gun... and the LCS was a complete waste of time and money... about 17 billion last time I checked and now they are going to fix the problem by buying some Italian Frigates that actually look rather nice... actually rather a lot like the new Russian Frigates...

    Now they want an economic war with China...

    I would say in fairness it was Russia that ended up winning while the Soviet Union and most of the former Soviet States that lost...

    It's the same thing that Russia did to the Ukraine in Crimea, absolute domination on every possible level, Sovs couldn't even muster the will to stay in the game

    Russia has the Crimea and doesn't want the Ukraine... unless you got rid of 90% of the people there first...

    USSR had a military which they could no longer afford to feed and clothe, they had no military strength at all

    US(SR) had a military which they could no longer afford to feed and clothe, they had no military strength at all

    How long before that comes true I wonder... 23 trillion in debt and still printing...

    Entire navy rendered impotent because of hypersonic missiles, entire airforce rendered impotent because their IADS is based around huge vulnerable AWACS and JSTARS aircraft... I would say they are screwed...

    But had Vietnamese had even slightly lower birthrate they would have ceased to exist

    Just as well their libido kept up with their will to not be told what to do by fucking european white people... the French and the Americans... arrogant in their times and still failed miserably but all the excuses in the world...

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon May 25, 2020 9:20 am

    Having couple of "new" frigates built in decade and a half without even making effort to build them in more than one place says it all
    soon they'll be built in the Far Eastern shipyards too.
    They also built them a few to India- even though she built her own warships before.
    Nuclear icebreakers can be armed & act as CGNs lite if need be, & not only in the Arctic; even if their reactors won't work in warm waters, their auxiliary diesels would be enough.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon May 25, 2020 12:36 pm

    Their nuclear powered ice breakers would be more useful breaking ice than pretending to be carriers of any sort... there is little chance of operating real fighters from them.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon May 25, 2020 2:15 pm

    GarryB wrote:I can understand you under rating them because Serbias navy is so powerful...

    Not peak power but still more powerful than land armies of certain island nations  Wink



    GarryB wrote:of course Putin is building Frigates to threaten...



    I would be welcome change of pace from barely building them at all

    GarryB wrote:It is spelled HATO in cyrillic... and is much more appropriate spelling because it shows their ethos...

    In that case write fully in Cyrillic, mixing two alphabets is rookie mistake



    GarryB wrote:And the Nazis... or even the Cubans and North Koreans and Iranians...

    1) Only cost them measly 20 million (and then they didn't even carry out proper denazification)

    2) Never went to war with them

    3) Kicked their asses and took their land until Chincoms got in the game and pushed them back only for USA to kick Chincom asses back to the 38th parallel



    GarryB wrote:The Russian surface fleet is being rebuilt now...

    It's been rebuilt since forever, and still they barely got anything



    GarryB wrote:Yeah, but judged suicide rather than homicide.

    They were convinced by Americans to commit suicide? That's even more humiliating than losing a war

    How weak and pathetic do you have to be to let that happen?



    GarryB wrote:Really... because about a year ago the number of billionaires and millionaires in China surpassed the number of each in the US...

    They dropped the communism, smart folks

    Nobody likes to starve



    GarryB wrote:So what is relevant... being able to invade 3rd world countries like Serbia

    Don't know, they never got the balls to go ahead, damn shame though, we had the whole theme park ready

    But you do like to talk about Serbia, does doing so help with digesting the fact that USA owns certain island nations who never once were able to say 'no'?



    GarryB wrote:I would say in fairness it was Russia that ended up winning while the Soviet Union and most of the former Soviet States that lost...

    USA won, former Soviet states won, USSR lost (pathetically so) and was put down like a sick gangrenous dog

    Russia didn't win anything because they didn't exist back then nor did the play the game

    Russia is a political entity born in the womb of old Soviet nuclear arsenal, it's the reason this country got to exist at all

    Without it Russia would have been partitioned and distributed among aforementioned victors to the sound of ecstatic cheers of Russian population



    GarryB wrote:I would say they are screwed...

    And yet when they say 'jump' rest of the world (starting with island nations) ask 'how high?'

    They are still very much in the game and on top

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Mon May 25, 2020 5:06 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    GarryB wrote:I would say in fairness it was Russia that ended up winning while the Soviet Union and most of the former Soviet States that lost...

    USA won, former Soviet states won, USSR lost (pathetically so) and was put down like a sick gangrenous dog

    Russia didn't win anything because they didn't exist back then nor did the play the game

    Russia is a political entity born in the womb of old Soviet nuclear arsenal, it's the reason this country got to exist at all

    Without it Russia would have been partitioned and distributed among aforementioned victors to the sound of ecstatic cheers of Russian population

    Russia was the predecessor of soviet union.
    all the territory of soviet union (except eastern prussia/ kaliningrad oblast) and some parts of west Ukraine (formerly Kievsky Rus, but annexed by poland in the thirteenth century) were already in the Russian empire before ww1 and the 1917 revolution.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon May 25, 2020 5:24 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:...Russia was the predecessor of soviet union.
    all the territory of soviet union (except eastern prussia/ kaliningrad oblast) and some parts of west Ukraine (formerly Kievsky Rus, but annexed by poland in the thirteenth century) were already in the Russian empire before ww1 and the 1917 revolution.

    Russian Empire is dead, it was defeated and erased from existence

    Soviet Union is dead, it was defeated and erased from existence

    Today's Russia is a nation that was hastily cobbled together in early 90s and held together by nuclear arsenal alone during first decade of it's nutritionally challenged existence

    It didn't become proper nation until mid 2000s






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