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    Russian Navy: Status and News #5

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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Fri May 15, 2020 5:42 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:Some news bits :

    - The Georgy  Kurbatov minesweeper will be launched during June 2020. This is the project 12700 vessel that burned at the plant during construction. The damage has been repaired.

    - The 8th project 12700 minesweeper will be laid down this summer

    - Yantar  shipyard is building 2 project 11356 frigates for the Indian navy. These are the ex- Admirals Butakov and Istomin. It is now confirmed that they will have Ukrainian engines.

    - The project 20380 corvette Retivy that was launched earlier this March is destined to the Black Sea fleet.

    - A project 22160 class ship is very active in the East Mediterranean,  it was seen recently in the port of Tartous,  Syria. Probably the D. Rogachov.

    - The veteran Smetlivy will no longer sail. She is now being fitted as a museum ship.

    - The 7500 tons project 23700 Rescue vessel Voevoda will begin sea trials this fall.

    - The Black Sea Fleet will receive the 3500 T project 03182 tanker Vice Admiral Pomarov at the end of this year or early next year.


    So it looks like Priboy class helicopter carrier and Admiral Gorshkov frigate will be delayed to next year at least due to COVID. Also the fate of the first Gremyashchiy class corvette is in question after unsatisfactory sea trial.
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    Post  owais.usmani on Fri May 15, 2020 7:28 pm

    ultimatewarrior wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:Some news bits :

    - The Georgy  Kurbatov minesweeper will be launched during June 2020. This is the project 12700 vessel that burned at the plant during construction. The damage has been repaired.

    - The 8th project 12700 minesweeper will be laid down this summer

    - Yantar  shipyard is building 2 project 11356 frigates for the Indian navy. These are the ex- Admirals Butakov and Istomin. It is now confirmed that they will have Ukrainian engines.

    - The project 20380 corvette Retivy that was launched earlier this March is destined to the Black Sea fleet.

    - A project 22160 class ship is very active in the East Mediterranean,  it was seen recently in the port of Tartous,  Syria. Probably the D. Rogachov.

    - The veteran Smetlivy will no longer sail. She is now being fitted as a museum ship.

    - The 7500 tons project 23700 Rescue vessel Voevoda will begin sea trials this fall.

    - The Black Sea Fleet will receive the 3500 T project 03182 tanker Vice Admiral Pomarov at the end of this year or early next year.


    So it looks like Priboy class helicopter carrier and Admiral Gorshkov frigate will be delayed to next year at least due to COVID. Also the fate of the first Gremyashchiy class corvette is in question after unsatisfactory sea trial.

    I would say your fate is not looking good, even after you just had a one week leave.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri May 15, 2020 8:03 pm

    The Vityaz-D submarine installed a pennant in honor of the 75th anniversary of Victory at the bottom of the Mariana Trench
    https://rg.ru/2020/05/15/glubokovodnyj-vitiaz-d-mozhet-propisatsia-na-tihookeanskom-flote.html

    ..the creation of technical means within the framework of the Vityaz-D project will allow solving problems in the interests of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in all regions of the ocean without exception and form a basic platform for creating advanced technical means for developing the World Ocean," the press service quoted Koroleva as saying Pacific Fleet.
    https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=531892&lang=RU

    https://rg.ru/2020/05/12/avtonomnyj-vitiaz-d-ispytali-na-dne-marianskoj-vpadiny.html
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    Post  GarryB on Sat May 16, 2020 2:34 am

    First they need at least that many modern Frigates & Corvettes completed, at least 3 of each per fleet & should be 6 of each.

    Well not really... having these ships would give Frigates and Corvettes a purpose, so they can and are making both at the same time...

    These will significantly expand the number of different roles the Russian Navy can perform... which is all you can expect from new ships.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat May 16, 2020 4:31 am

    hoom wrote:First they need at least that many modern Frigates & Corvettes completed, at least 3 of each per fleet & should be 6 of each.

    Corvettes and frigates are already in production, all it takes now is will to build more

    Designs are completed and proven, only thing missing is decision



    These transport ships are something that was completely missing from the roster and which need to be built in order to fill the gap that is about to occur when old ones hit expiration date

    To say nothing of the fact that with this class they salvaged all the time and money dropped into original Gren-class and turned failure into success




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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Sat May 16, 2020 4:36 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    hoom wrote:First they need at least that many modern Frigates & Corvettes completed, at least 3 of each per fleet & should be 6 of each.

    Corvettes and frigates are already in production, all it takes now is will to build more

    Designs are completed and proven, only thing missing is decision



    These transport ships are something that was completely missing from the roster and which need to be built in order to fill the gap that is about to occur when old ones hit expiration date

    To say nothing of the fact that with this class they salvaged all the time and money dropped into original Gren-class and turned failure into success





    Currently there is 1 Admiral Gorshkov class frigate. Still waiting on the first Gremyashchiy class corvette.
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat May 16, 2020 4:50 am

    TheArmenian wrote:Some news bits :

    - The veteran Smetlivy will no longer sail. She is now being fitted as a museum ship.


    Very good news indeed!  Very Happy  The Kashins were iconic ships of their day, and we've been fortunate indeed that one unit has survived in service this long and remains in good condition.

    Hopefully we'll see the same for one of the surviving 1135s, either Ladny or Pytlivy.
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    Post  Isos on Sat May 16, 2020 9:26 am

    Currently there is 1 Admiral Gorshkov class frigate. Still waiting on the first Gremyashchiy class corvette.

    3 build and more in production.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat May 16, 2020 11:33 am

    Currently there is a brand new frigate design of a multirole nature that is fully tested and in service and they are in the process of bringing two more into service status... more are on their way.
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    Post  medo on Sat May 16, 2020 2:54 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:- The 7500 tons project 23700 Rescue vessel Voevoda will begin sea trials this fall.

    Wasn't this ship for ministries of trade and transport, what means for civil user?
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun May 24, 2020 8:49 pm

    Pac. Fleet update: https://iz.ru/1014468/dmitrii-boltenkov/obnovlenie-po-tikhomu-dlia-chego-tof-vooruzhaiut-novymi-korabliami
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:02 pm


    Fresh photo of Neustrashimyy (May 28th)

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    Post  LMFS on Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:49 pm

    Latest interview with Evmenov on Krasnaya Zvezda about the status and modernization of the VMF:

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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:27 pm


    According to latest rumors two Gorshkov frigates and two LHDs will be laid down on July 16th

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    Post  George1 on Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:57 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    According to latest rumors two Gorshkov frigates and two LHDs will be laid down on July 16th


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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:58 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    According to latest rumors two Gorshkov frigates and two LHDs will be laid down on July 16th


    Not gonna happen with COVID around.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:35 pm

    Why not?

    With proper testing and hand washing and distancing they should be OK...
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:51 pm

    GarryB wrote:Why not?

    With proper testing and hand washing and distancing they should be OK...

    To be fair, when your building ships social distancing isn't much of an option. You are going to be right next to guys and you won't be washing your hands constantly.

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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:32 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Why not?

    With proper testing and hand washing and distancing they should be OK...

    To be fair, when your building ships social distancing isn't much of an option. You are going to be right next to guys and you won't be washing your hands constantly.


    And the main problem is Russia got caught up in the hoopla while other parts of the world like China, Qatar, Turkey don't care about it and even wages war.
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:05 am

    The Russian Navy’s Black Sea Fleet can now deploy its submarines to the Mediterranean. This is despite an international treaty which many thought would prevent it. The Montreux Convention, agreed in 1936, prohibits submarines from passing through the Bosporus Strait, which connects the Black Sea to the Mediterranean. There are exceptions in the treaty for special cases for Black Sea nations: delivery of new submarines to the Black Sea, and exits for repairs. Russia is now routinely using these clauses to reestablish a permanent submarine presence in the Mediterranean. This is changing the balance of power there.

    The deployment of these submarines to the Mediterranean is a serious concern for NATO leadership. Speaking at the International Institute for Strategic Studies on June 25, Admiral James Foggo, Commander of U.S. Naval Forces in Europe and Africa, described the Eastern Mediterranean as “one of the most kinetic areas in the world.” He said, “the Russians are deploying quiet, modern, diesel submarines capable of launching the Kalibr cruise missile.” This refers to Kilo-class boats deploying there via the Bosporus.


    Full article at https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2020/07/russia-is-using-treaty-clause-to-change-submarine-balance-in-mediterranean/

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    Post  Isos on Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:35 am

    They could upgrade some of the old kilos being replaced by new ones and base them permanently in Tartus. Crews can switch by planes. Then they could buy newer ones.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:10 am

    To be fair, when your building ships social distancing isn't much of an option. You are going to be right next to guys and you won't be washing your hands constantly.

    Previously there was little reason to wash your hands constantly, but currently there is... if you want to work you follow the new rules.

    And the main problem is Russia got caught up in the hoopla while other parts of the world like China, Qatar, Turkey don't care about it and even wages war.

    Compared with many other countries... indeed with countries with similar rates of infection, the death rate for Russia is surprisingly low.

    The Russian Navy’s Black Sea Fleet can now deploy its submarines to the Mediterranean. This is despite an international treaty which many thought would prevent it. The Montreux Convention, agreed in 1936, prohibits submarines from passing through the Bosporus Strait, which connects the Black Sea to the Mediterranean. There are exceptions in the treaty for special cases for Black Sea nations: delivery of new submarines to the Black Sea, and exits for repairs. Russia is now routinely using these clauses to reestablish a permanent submarine presence in the Mediterranean. This is changing the balance of power there.

    Boo fucking hoo.... it is the Russian Navy for goodness sake... it is not fucking ISIS.

    Russia should just withdraw from the Montreux treaty and sail through anything it pleases.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:21 pm

    Russian shipyards often ignore and flaunt rules, now I am not saying COVID will delay laying the ships down. But there is a high chance of infection in any business that has many people very close together and again they cannot wash their hands constantly in that line of work.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:08 am

    GarryB wrote:
    To be fair, when your building ships social distancing isn't much of an option. You are going to be right next to guys and you won't be washing your hands constantly.

    Previously there was little reason to wash your hands constantly, but currently there is... if you want to work you follow the new rules.

    And the main problem is Russia got caught up in the hoopla while other parts of the world like China, Qatar, Turkey don't care about it and even wages war.

    Compared with many other countries... indeed with countries with similar rates of infection, the death rate for Russia is surprisingly low.

    The Russian Navy’s Black Sea Fleet can now deploy its submarines to the Mediterranean. This is despite an international treaty which many thought would prevent it. The Montreux Convention, agreed in 1936, prohibits submarines from passing through the Bosporus Strait, which connects the Black Sea to the Mediterranean. There are exceptions in the treaty for special cases for Black Sea nations: delivery of new submarines to the Black Sea, and exits for repairs. Russia is now routinely using these clauses to reestablish a permanent submarine presence in the Mediterranean. This is changing the balance of power there.

    Boo fucking hoo.... it is the Russian Navy for goodness sake... it is not fucking ISIS.

    Russia should just withdraw from the Montreux treaty and sail through anything it pleases.

    Russia don't care that much about treaties anyway. Russia annexed Crimea in 1783 in violation of treaty that ended Russia Turkey war. Russia rearmed Crimea in violation of treaty that ended Crimean war. Russia invaded Japan in 1945 in violation of Russia Japan non aggression treaty. Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 in violation of Budapest treaty.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:11 am

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