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    Post  Isos Sat May 16, 2020 9:26 am

    Currently there is 1 Admiral Gorshkov class frigate. Still waiting on the first Gremyashchiy class corvette.

    3 build and more in production.
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    Post  GarryB Sat May 16, 2020 11:33 am

    Currently there is a brand new frigate design of a multirole nature that is fully tested and in service and they are in the process of bringing two more into service status... more are on their way.
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    Post  medo Sat May 16, 2020 2:54 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:- The 7500 tons project 23700 Rescue vessel Voevoda will begin sea trials this fall.

    Wasn't this ship for ministries of trade and transport, what means for civil user?
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun May 24, 2020 8:49 pm

    Pac. Fleet update: https://iz.ru/1014468/dmitrii-boltenkov/obnovlenie-po-tikhomu-dlia-chego-tof-vooruzhaiut-novymi-korabliami
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:02 pm


    Fresh photo of Neustrashimyy (May 28th)

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    Post  LMFS Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:49 pm

    Latest interview with Evmenov on Krasnaya Zvezda about the status and modernization of the VMF:

    http://redstar.ru/chtoby-andreevskij-flag-vsegda-reyal-nad-okeanom/

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:27 pm


    According to latest rumors two Gorshkov frigates and two LHDs will be laid down on July 16th

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    Post  George1 Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:57 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    According to latest rumors two Gorshkov frigates and two LHDs will be laid down on July 16th


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    Post  ultimatewarrior Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:58 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    According to latest rumors two Gorshkov frigates and two LHDs will be laid down on July 16th


    Not gonna happen with COVID around.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:35 pm

    Why not?

    With proper testing and hand washing and distancing they should be OK...
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:51 pm

    GarryB wrote:Why not?

    With proper testing and hand washing and distancing they should be OK...

    To be fair, when your building ships social distancing isn't much of an option. You are going to be right next to guys and you won't be washing your hands constantly.

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    Post  ultimatewarrior Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:32 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Why not?

    With proper testing and hand washing and distancing they should be OK...

    To be fair, when your building ships social distancing isn't much of an option. You are going to be right next to guys and you won't be washing your hands constantly.


    And the main problem is Russia got caught up in the hoopla while other parts of the world like China, Qatar, Turkey don't care about it and even wages war.
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:05 am

    The Russian Navy’s Black Sea Fleet can now deploy its submarines to the Mediterranean. This is despite an international treaty which many thought would prevent it. The Montreux Convention, agreed in 1936, prohibits submarines from passing through the Bosporus Strait, which connects the Black Sea to the Mediterranean. There are exceptions in the treaty for special cases for Black Sea nations: delivery of new submarines to the Black Sea, and exits for repairs. Russia is now routinely using these clauses to reestablish a permanent submarine presence in the Mediterranean. This is changing the balance of power there.

    The deployment of these submarines to the Mediterranean is a serious concern for NATO leadership. Speaking at the International Institute for Strategic Studies on June 25, Admiral James Foggo, Commander of U.S. Naval Forces in Europe and Africa, described the Eastern Mediterranean as “one of the most kinetic areas in the world.” He said, “the Russians are deploying quiet, modern, diesel submarines capable of launching the Kalibr cruise missile.” This refers to Kilo-class boats deploying there via the Bosporus.


    Full article at https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2020/07/russia-is-using-treaty-clause-to-change-submarine-balance-in-mediterranean/

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    Post  Isos Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:35 am

    They could upgrade some of the old kilos being replaced by new ones and base them permanently in Tartus. Crews can switch by planes. Then they could buy newer ones.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:10 am

    To be fair, when your building ships social distancing isn't much of an option. You are going to be right next to guys and you won't be washing your hands constantly.

    Previously there was little reason to wash your hands constantly, but currently there is... if you want to work you follow the new rules.

    And the main problem is Russia got caught up in the hoopla while other parts of the world like China, Qatar, Turkey don't care about it and even wages war.

    Compared with many other countries... indeed with countries with similar rates of infection, the death rate for Russia is surprisingly low.

    The Russian Navy’s Black Sea Fleet can now deploy its submarines to the Mediterranean. This is despite an international treaty which many thought would prevent it. The Montreux Convention, agreed in 1936, prohibits submarines from passing through the Bosporus Strait, which connects the Black Sea to the Mediterranean. There are exceptions in the treaty for special cases for Black Sea nations: delivery of new submarines to the Black Sea, and exits for repairs. Russia is now routinely using these clauses to reestablish a permanent submarine presence in the Mediterranean. This is changing the balance of power there.

    Boo fucking hoo.... it is the Russian Navy for goodness sake... it is not fucking ISIS.

    Russia should just withdraw from the Montreux treaty and sail through anything it pleases.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:21 pm

    Russian shipyards often ignore and flaunt rules, now I am not saying COVID will delay laying the ships down. But there is a high chance of infection in any business that has many people very close together and again they cannot wash their hands constantly in that line of work.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:08 am

    GarryB wrote:
    To be fair, when your building ships social distancing isn't much of an option. You are going to be right next to guys and you won't be washing your hands constantly.

    Previously there was little reason to wash your hands constantly, but currently there is... if you want to work you follow the new rules.

    And the main problem is Russia got caught up in the hoopla while other parts of the world like China, Qatar, Turkey don't care about it and even wages war.

    Compared with many other countries... indeed with countries with similar rates of infection, the death rate for Russia is surprisingly low.

    The Russian Navy’s Black Sea Fleet can now deploy its submarines to the Mediterranean. This is despite an international treaty which many thought would prevent it. The Montreux Convention, agreed in 1936, prohibits submarines from passing through the Bosporus Strait, which connects the Black Sea to the Mediterranean. There are exceptions in the treaty for special cases for Black Sea nations: delivery of new submarines to the Black Sea, and exits for repairs. Russia is now routinely using these clauses to reestablish a permanent submarine presence in the Mediterranean. This is changing the balance of power there.

    Boo fucking hoo.... it is the Russian Navy for goodness sake... it is not fucking ISIS.

    Russia should just withdraw from the Montreux treaty and sail through anything it pleases.

    Russia don't care that much about treaties anyway. Russia annexed Crimea in 1783 in violation of treaty that ended Russia Turkey war. Russia rearmed Crimea in violation of treaty that ended Crimean war. Russia invaded Japan in 1945 in violation of Russia Japan non aggression treaty. Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 in violation of Budapest treaty.
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    Post  Isos Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:11 am

    US school programs in action Very Happy .

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:44 am

    Russian shipyards often ignore and flaunt rules, now I am not saying COVID will delay laying the ships down. But there is a high chance of infection in any business that has many people very close together and again they cannot wash their hands constantly in that line of work.

    Agree, but this is new territory for everyone... no one has gone through this sort of thing recently and there is no manual or guidebook on how to exit it either.

    With a good healthcare system and checks for flu and illness they need to carry on...

    Russia don't care that much about treaties anyway. Russia annexed Crimea in 1783 in violation of treaty that ended Russia Turkey war. Russia rearmed Crimea in violation of treaty that ended Crimean war. Russia invaded Japan in 1945 in violation of Russia Japan non aggression treaty. Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 in violation of Budapest treaty.

    You make them sound like the UK or France or the US or Israel...
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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:03 am

    Isos wrote:US school programs in action Very Happy .

    Living proof that COVID-19 does in fact damage the brain. No
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:14 pm

    The ruling at the Hague international court said that "declarations of independence can and often do violate domestic legislation. However this does not mean it is a violation of international law...

    In fact the US State department stated that "the principle of territorial integrity does not exclude the establishment of new states in the territory of existing states... and Germany says similar things when advising the Hague international court during their deliberations as to whether Kosovo independence is legal under international law....



    Which by inference means the people of the Crimea get to decide whether they are Russian or not....

    And Russia never signed any treaty with Japan, the soviet japan treaty formally ended their conflict in Mongolia but was never meant to be a perpetual agreement... Japan still occupied lots of Soviet territory that the Soviets wanted back and already had an agreement with the Americans to join the war in the Pacific... the Americans demanded it because they were afraid that with the end of the war in Europe the allies might write off the Pacific colonies and leave America to fight Japan on their own. The Yalta agreement demanded Soviet intervention in the Pacific war within 6 months of the end of hostilities in Europe...

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    Post  kvs Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:51 pm

    I thought that the 2008 ruling by the Hague ICJ on Kosovo asserted that self-determination trumps laws about borders. Are they now backpedaling since
    Crimea's return to Russia does not fit their agenda?

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:10 pm

    ultimatewarrior wrote:Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 in violation of Budapest treaty.

    Get your facts straight! U.S. Congress never ratified the Budapest Treaty only the US president signed it, which means the U.S. made it null-and-void which untied the hands of Uncle Sham. The Budpest Treaty would only be enforced if both the US and Russia RATIFIED the treaty, not just if the their leaders signed it.

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    Post  Isos Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:16 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    ultimatewarrior wrote:Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 in violation of Budapest treaty.

    Get your facts straight! U.S. Congress never ratified the Budapest Treaty only the US president signed it, which means the U.S. made it null-and-void which untied the hands of Uncle Sham. The Budpest Treaty would only be enforced if both the US and Russia RATIFIED the treaty, not just if the their leaders signed it.

    There is no justice above states with nuclear weapons...

    Who cares about treaties ? US paid neonazis to destroy the country and russia's strategical base of Sevastopol was in danger. If you have a little geopolitical knowledge you know that Russia will take it no matter what was said or signed and by who it was said or signed.

    Ukraine should be happy that Russians are not the evil people west tries to make everyone believe. They took Crimea with not a single gun fire shot.. If it was US protecting its base the country would still be bombed right now...and probably for the next 5 years.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:08 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    ultimatewarrior wrote:Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 in violation of Budapest treaty.

    Get your facts straight! U.S. Congress never ratified the Budapest Treaty only the US president signed it, which means the U.S. made it null-and-void which untied the hands of Uncle Sham. The Budpest Treaty would only be enforced if both the US and Russia RATIFIED the treaty, not just if the their leaders signed it.

    Furthermore, the US abrogated the treaty by engineering a violent coup to overthrow the countries legally and constitutionally elected head of state, then they openly encouraged the coup regime to use military force to crush the dissenters to the putsch. US unilateral regime-change games forced Russia to respond, and now they are bleating about being outplayed...

    Americans are such hypocritical cunts... How the fuck do these pricks look at themselves in the mirror without puking from the shame?  No

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