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    Russian Navy: Status and News #5

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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu May 07, 2020 9:51 pm

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    Big_Gazza wrote:...The Neustrashimy is AFAIK still tied up at the Baltiysk shipyard, Google earth image from Mar 2020

    I can't tell if they are working on it or they just left it there to rot

    Do they plan on getting it back into service?

    They certainly seem to be working on her, but just as with the Pr.1155 Shaposnikov and Chabanenko, progress seems to be glacial, a bit like watching a kettle boil...

    I think this pic shows progress around May 2019.  Main radar replaced, hull painted, various equip refits/repairs underway. Best I can tell they are saying she will rejoin the Baltic fleet in 2020.

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu May 07, 2020 11:06 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:...They certainly seem to be working on her, but just as with the Pr.1155 Shaposnikov and Chabanenko, progress seems to be glacial, a bit like watching a kettle boil...

    I think this pic shows progress around May 2019. Main radar replaced, hull painted, various equip refits/repairs underway. Best I can tell they are saying she will rejoin the Baltic fleet in 2020.

    That looks better than expected

    Hopefully they slap it together this year, having another warship on the roster can only be a good thing

    Considering how much juice they have been getting out of Yaroslav Mudrii this one definitely has potential to it



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    Post  Isos Thu May 07, 2020 11:17 pm

    When you see what the british send to escort russian ships, it makes this class look like gold ships.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri May 08, 2020 2:34 am

    Hopefully they slap it together this year, having another warship on the roster can only be a good thing
    "It is expected that Undaunted will be handed over to the fleet in mid-2020," the source said. Before returning to combat duty, the ship will undergo all types of sea trials.
    Undaunted began major repairs at the Baltic Yantar Shipyard (part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation) in 2014.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri May 08, 2020 3:15 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Considering how much juice they have been getting out of Yaroslav Mudrii this one definitely has potential to it

    Yeah, I was hoping they would fit Urans to Neustrashimy like the Mudry but no sign so far. I wonder why, given Urans would be ideal for Baltic sea ops.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri May 08, 2020 3:56 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:Considering how much juice they have been getting out of Yaroslav Mudrii this one definitely has potential to it

    Yeah, I was hoping they would fit Urans to Neustrashimy like the Mudry but no sign so far. I wonder why, given Urans would be ideal for Baltic sea ops.

    Strapping on Urans should not be hard at all and there's still time to do it

    It doesn't require any modifications to the structure and they already did it once before so there are no possible surprises

    It will probably be last thing on the list



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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat May 09, 2020 12:49 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:Considering how much juice they have been getting out of Yaroslav Mudrii this one definitely has potential to it

    Yeah, I was hoping they would fit Urans to Neustrashimy like the Mudry but no sign so far.  I wonder why, given Urans would be ideal for Baltic sea ops.

    Strapping on Urans should not be hard at all and there's still time to do it

    It doesn't require any modifications to the structure and they already did it once before so there are no possible surprises

    It will probably be last thing on the list

    On the Mudry there is an additional structure that lies between the Uran launcher racks which I've assume is an equipment room to house the Uran control racks and other ancillary equipment, and there is no sign of anything similar on Neustrashimy. Maybe they are choosing to keep this area vacant so that containerised modules can be fitted if ever needed?

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    Post  Arrow Sat May 09, 2020 9:13 am

    It seems that today there will be no keel for two 885M submarine, two frigates 22350 and two helicopters carriers.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat May 09, 2020 9:44 am

    Arrow wrote:It seems that today there will be no keel for two 885M submarine, two frigates 22350 and two helicopters carriers.

    Pfftt.. a little delay due to COVID-19 issues. Settle down little troll and take your hand out of your trousers.
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    Post  GarryB Sun May 10, 2020 1:35 am

    No helicopter.

    Probably the biggest flaw in the first two Krivak versions was the lack of helicopter facilities... especially considering its primary armament is the anti sub SS-N-14 Metel.

    The third class of Krivak ships removed the front mounted Metel launcher and replaced it with a 100mm gun, while the rear guns were replaced with a helicopter pad and facilities... ironically they were for border patrol in the KGB, so likely no sub hunting role there...

    It seems that today there will be no keel for two 885M submarine, two frigates 22350 and two helicopters carriers.

    Of course... delays in laying down ships is clearly evidence that the Russian MIC is incompetent and has nothing to do with a pandemic currently sweeping the world.

    What a shame there was no pandemic when the Zumwalts or the Ford or the LCS were being laid down... could have saved the US taxpayer 70 billion dollars...
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    Post  Arrow Sun May 10, 2020 7:05 am

    So there will be a lot of delays in building ships through a pandemic or maybe it is just a matter of changing the date of the ceremony but it is not known when
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sun May 10, 2020 9:38 am

    GarryB wrote:
    No helicopter.

    Probably the biggest flaw in the first two Krivak versions was the lack of helicopter facilities... especially considering its primary armament is the anti sub SS-N-14 Metel.

    The third class of Krivak ships removed the front mounted Metel launcher and replaced it with a 100mm gun, while the rear guns were replaced with a helicopter pad and facilities... ironically they were for border patrol in the KGB, so likely no sub hunting role there...
    Yeah, krivak IV (taiwar class and grigorovich class) solved the problem, but now the russian navy can build also the more capable Gorshkov class.
    As mentioned above,  20380 class is taking over the antisub role (and it carries an helicopter)... the only disadvantage is the reduced range and endurance (15 vs 30 days) in comparison to Krivak class.....

    For that reason I mentioned an antisub variant of the smaller 22160, since it has a good endurance, but probably to have decent antisub capabilities you need to put there more people and modules (including sonars and dedicated electronics), thereby compromising the endurance

    22160 has a good endurance probably because it is lightly armed...
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    Post  Isos Sun May 10, 2020 11:41 pm

    News from the past Very Happy


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    May 10th: #OTD in the #Falklands war, a 100 mile Exclusion Zone is declared around Ascension, as Soviet aircraft and submarines have been in the area. This is an actual photo of Ascension taken from a Soviet sub at the time. They got close, and were passing Intel to Argentina.

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    Post  GarryB Mon May 11, 2020 9:48 am

    They got close, and were passing Intel to Argentina.

    Why not?

    The Soviets are not obliged to help the UK maintain its tentacles on its colonies around the world...
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    Post  JohninMK Mon May 11, 2020 4:09 pm

    Isos wrote:News from the past Very Happy


    The First Casualty - Falklands War History
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    May 10th: #OTD in the #Falklands war, a 100 mile Exclusion Zone is declared around Ascension, as Soviet aircraft and submarines have been in the area. This is an actual photo of Ascension taken from a Soviet sub at the time. They got close, and were passing Intel to Argentina.

    That photo, not what it seems

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    This photo was taken from the Zaporozh`ye, a Primor'ye Class of intelligence collection ship during a deployment in the Atlantic in the spring and summer of 1982. The claim about the submarine is just fake.
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    Post  hoom Fri May 15, 2020 8:30 am

    16 of these would be perfection
    First they need at least that many modern Frigates & Corvettes completed, at least 3 of each per fleet & should be 6 of each.
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    Post  Isos Fri May 15, 2020 8:49 am

    hoom wrote:
    16 of these would be perfection
    First they need at least that many modern Frigates & Corvettes completed, at least 3 of each per fleet & should be 6 of each.

    That's almost done !

    Black sea has got the 3 Grigirovitch and some buyan M.

    The steregoushchy and derivates are in service in good numbers in the other fleets and they keep producing them.

    They have 3 ready Gorshkov and keep producing them.
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    Post  TheArmenian Fri May 15, 2020 3:34 pm

    Some news bits :

    - The Georgy Kurbatov minesweeper will be launched during June 2020. This is the project 12700 vessel that burned at the plant during construction. The damage has been repaired.

    - The 8th project 12700 minesweeper will be laid down this summer

    - Yantar shipyard is building 2 project 11356 frigates for the Indian navy. These are the ex- Admirals Butakov and Istomin. It is now confirmed that they will have Ukrainian engines.

    - The project 20380 corvette Retivy that was launched earlier this March is destined to the Black Sea fleet.

    - A project 22160 class ship is very active in the East Mediterranean, it was seen recently in the port of Tartous, Syria. Probably the D. Rogachov.

    - The veteran Smetlivy will no longer sail. She is now being fitted as a museum ship.

    - The 7500 tons project 23700 Rescue vessel Voevoda will begin sea trials this fall.

    - The Black Sea Fleet will receive the 3500 T project 03182 tanker Vice Admiral Pomarov at the end of this year or early next year.

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    Post  ultimatewarrior Fri May 15, 2020 3:42 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:Some news bits :

    - The Georgy  Kurbatov minesweeper will be launched during June 2020. This is the project 12700 vessel that burned at the plant during construction. The damage has been repaired.

    - The 8th project 12700 minesweeper will be laid down this summer

    - Yantar  shipyard is building 2 project 11356 frigates for the Indian navy. These are the ex- Admirals Butakov and Istomin. It is now confirmed that they will have Ukrainian engines.

    - The project 20380 corvette Retivy that was launched earlier this March is destined to the Black Sea fleet.

    - A project 22160 class ship is very active in the East Mediterranean,  it was seen recently in the port of Tartous,  Syria. Probably the D. Rogachov.

    - The veteran Smetlivy will no longer sail. She is now being fitted as a museum ship.

    - The 7500 tons project 23700 Rescue vessel Voevoda will begin sea trials this fall.

    - The Black Sea Fleet will receive the 3500 T project 03182 tanker Vice Admiral Pomarov at the end of this year or early next year.


    So it looks like Priboy class helicopter carrier and Admiral Gorshkov frigate will be delayed to next year at least due to COVID. Also the fate of the first Gremyashchiy class corvette is in question after unsatisfactory sea trial.
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    Post  owais.usmani Fri May 15, 2020 5:28 pm

    ultimatewarrior wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:Some news bits :

    - The Georgy  Kurbatov minesweeper will be launched during June 2020. This is the project 12700 vessel that burned at the plant during construction. The damage has been repaired.

    - The 8th project 12700 minesweeper will be laid down this summer

    - Yantar  shipyard is building 2 project 11356 frigates for the Indian navy. These are the ex- Admirals Butakov and Istomin. It is now confirmed that they will have Ukrainian engines.

    - The project 20380 corvette Retivy that was launched earlier this March is destined to the Black Sea fleet.

    - A project 22160 class ship is very active in the East Mediterranean,  it was seen recently in the port of Tartous,  Syria. Probably the D. Rogachov.

    - The veteran Smetlivy will no longer sail. She is now being fitted as a museum ship.

    - The 7500 tons project 23700 Rescue vessel Voevoda will begin sea trials this fall.

    - The Black Sea Fleet will receive the 3500 T project 03182 tanker Vice Admiral Pomarov at the end of this year or early next year.


    So it looks like Priboy class helicopter carrier and Admiral Gorshkov frigate will be delayed to next year at least due to COVID. Also the fate of the first Gremyashchiy class corvette is in question after unsatisfactory sea trial.

    I would say your fate is not looking good, even after you just had a one week leave.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri May 15, 2020 6:03 pm

    The Vityaz-D submarine installed a pennant in honor of the 75th anniversary of Victory at the bottom of the Mariana Trench
    https://rg.ru/2020/05/15/glubokovodnyj-vitiaz-d-mozhet-propisatsia-na-tihookeanskom-flote.html

    ..the creation of technical means within the framework of the Vityaz-D project will allow solving problems in the interests of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in all regions of the ocean without exception and form a basic platform for creating advanced technical means for developing the World Ocean," the press service quoted Koroleva as saying Pacific Fleet.
    https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=531892&lang=RU

    https://rg.ru/2020/05/12/avtonomnyj-vitiaz-d-ispytali-na-dne-marianskoj-vpadiny.html
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    Post  GarryB Sat May 16, 2020 12:34 am

    First they need at least that many modern Frigates & Corvettes completed, at least 3 of each per fleet & should be 6 of each.

    Well not really... having these ships would give Frigates and Corvettes a purpose, so they can and are making both at the same time...

    These will significantly expand the number of different roles the Russian Navy can perform... which is all you can expect from new ships.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat May 16, 2020 2:31 am

    hoom wrote:First they need at least that many modern Frigates & Corvettes completed, at least 3 of each per fleet & should be 6 of each.

    Corvettes and frigates are already in production, all it takes now is will to build more

    Designs are completed and proven, only thing missing is decision



    These transport ships are something that was completely missing from the roster and which need to be built in order to fill the gap that is about to occur when old ones hit expiration date

    To say nothing of the fact that with this class they salvaged all the time and money dropped into original Gren-class and turned failure into success




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    Post  ultimatewarrior Sat May 16, 2020 2:36 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    hoom wrote:First they need at least that many modern Frigates & Corvettes completed, at least 3 of each per fleet & should be 6 of each.

    Corvettes and frigates are already in production, all it takes now is will to build more

    Designs are completed and proven, only thing missing is decision



    These transport ships are something that was completely missing from the roster and which need to be built in order to fill the gap that is about to occur when old ones hit expiration date

    To say nothing of the fact that with this class they salvaged all the time and money dropped into original Gren-class and turned failure into success





    Currently there is 1 Admiral Gorshkov class frigate. Still waiting on the first Gremyashchiy class corvette.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat May 16, 2020 2:50 am

    TheArmenian wrote:Some news bits :

    - The veteran Smetlivy will no longer sail. She is now being fitted as a museum ship.


    Very good news indeed!  Very Happy  The Kashins were iconic ships of their day, and we've been fortunate indeed that one unit has survived in service this long and remains in good condition.

    Hopefully we'll see the same for one of the surviving 1135s, either Ladny or Pytlivy.

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