Russian Navy: Status and News #5

There are only a limited number of things in the RF worth attacking so therefore only a certain number of things worth defending too.

no, there r plenty of cities with over 1M population; 10 of them r in the European part & the Urals. Note that the sixteen largest cities have a total population of 35,798,844, or roughly 24.4% of the country's total population.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_and_towns_in_Russia_by_population#Cities_and_towns

There r also NPPs, hydroelectric plants, dams, canals, MIC sites, air/missile bases, & railway transport network centers.
I forgot to mention CMs from SSNs & bombers as well.
A few C-17s can release many false targets near RF airspace; how will S-500s cope with EMP bursts?

Not a big loss but still better to scrap than leave it as a potential environmental problem


DEC 15, 09:11Updated 09:25
The sunken and surfaced submarine in Sevastopol is disposed of
The floating dock PD-16 and the hull of the submarine that was in it were decommissioned for more than 10 years, the press service of the Southern Military District said

A decommissioned B-380 Black Sea Fleet sunken with a floating dock, which then surfaced, is preparing to be towed to the disposal site, the Southern Military District Press Service information department told reporters.

"Currently, technical work is underway to prepare for towing to the disposal site. The floating dock PD-16 and the hull of the submarine, which was in it, were decommissioned from the fleet more than 10 years ago and must be disposed of," it was reported.

According to a TASS correspondent, the floating dock PD-16 remains above the water only a quarter of the surface part, while the submarine inside the dock turned over on its side. Only the upper part of the floating dock remained above the water - about 2 meters. This is not more than a quarter of the height of that part of the structure, which in a normal position is above the water.

Submarine B-380 remains in the dock. She is lying on her side. Around work auxiliary vessels. The embankment of the South Bay near the dock is patrolled by the military police. In particular, its employees prohibit taking pictures of the bay.

The PD-16 floating dock - a pontoon metal structure for repair of submarines, destroyers, minesweepers, support vessels with a displacement of up to 5 thousand tons - was laid down in 1938 and, according to a TASS source in emergency services of Sevastopol, went under water in its South bay on the night of December 15th. The dock for many years under repair was a large diesel-electric submarine of Project 641B Som B-380 (formerly the Gorky Komsomolets), which, since the spring of 2016, has been included in the tender of the Ministry of Defense for disposal

https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/7350509

Well they are definitely going to need new floating dry docks now, both to replace those lost, but also to deal with a future increase in production of larger ships which will also need dry dock facilities too...

kvs wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:Not a big loss but still better to scrap than leave it as a potential environmental problem


DEC 15, 09:11Updated 09:25
The sunken and surfaced submarine in Sevastopol is disposed of
The floating dock PD-16 and the hull of the submarine that was in it were decommissioned for more than 10 years, the press service of the Southern Military District said

A decommissioned B-380 Black Sea Fleet sunken with a floating dock, which then surfaced, is preparing to be towed to the disposal site, the Southern Military District Press Service information department told reporters.

"Currently, technical work is underway to prepare for towing to the disposal site. The floating dock PD-16 and the hull of the submarine, which was in it, were decommissioned from the fleet more than 10 years ago and must be disposed of," it was reported.

According to a TASS correspondent, the floating dock PD-16 remains above the water only a quarter of the surface part, while the submarine inside the dock turned over on its side. Only the upper part of the floating dock remained above the water - about 2 meters. This is not more than a quarter of the height of that part of the structure, which in a normal position is above the water.

Submarine B-380 remains in the dock. She is lying on her side. Around work auxiliary vessels. The embankment of the South Bay near the dock is patrolled by the military police. In particular, its employees prohibit taking pictures of the bay.

The PD-16 floating dock - a pontoon metal structure for repair of submarines, destroyers, minesweepers, support vessels with a displacement of up to 5 thousand tons - was laid down in 1938 and, according to a TASS source in emergency services of Sevastopol, went under water in its South bay on the night of December 15th. The dock for many years under repair was a large diesel-electric submarine of Project 641B Som B-380 (formerly the Gorky Komsomolets), which, since the spring of 2016, has been included in the tender of the Ministry of Defense for disposal

https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/7350509

1938!  That is a freaking long time for any steel structure in salt water without proper maintenance.   Russia is experiencing
a large burden from from long-past-use date structures that were not replaced due to the endless economic turmoil.   With the
current plateau of stability, they can hopefully catch up with all the needed rebuilding.

I believe it was decommissioned although a sub was in it so it tells me they were using it to scrap the sub I don't understand why it takes so long to scrap the sub apparently the started it in 2010 now it's just going to rot on shores causing environmental issue instead of being recycled and money for scrap lost. If they had no intention of scrapping should have just dragged it out to sea and test fired a missile on it.

Isos wrote:Maybe will go off Syrian coast to watch for possible Israeli attacks in the US-Iran mini-war.


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#ВМФ Project 1164, Severomorsk based #Cф Northern Fleet’s Slava (NATO:Atlant) class guided missile destroyer Marshal Ustinov, armed with Vulkan (NATO:SS-N-12B Sandbox) missiles, transited Bosphorus towards Marmara. 055’s refit at Zvezdochka was completed between 2011-16

Or check out the US Amphibious Ready Group LH5 USS Bataan that is heading east in the Med.

It certainly made sense to move one of the Slavas out of the Black sea.

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Whats the deal with the Kerch? After the fire in 2014 it just sits there, not getting repaired, laid up or getting ready for scrap.
Whats the story there?

I suspect that the RuN doesn't know what it wants yet regrading the Kerch.  She's an unmodernised Soviet-era cruiser so her weapons and sensors will be obsolete, plus she's a one-of-a-kind.  Not really worth upgrading, and probably not repairting given her limited combat capabilities.

They have better things to spend money on so will leave her tied up at wharf and thereby defer both a final decision and funds for breaking.

Maybe they will turn her into a museum ship?

Big_Gazza wrote:I suspect that the RuN doesn't know what it wants yet regrading the Kerch.  She's an unmodernised Soviet-era cruiser so her weapons and sensors will be obsolete, plus she's a one-of-a-kind.  Not really worth upgrading, and probably not repairting given her limited combat capabilities.

They have better things to spend money on so will leave her tied up at wharf and thereby defer both a final decision and funds for breaking.

Maybe they will turn her into a museum ship?

Funny enough she is about 5 years younger then the destroyer Smetlivy but never recived any kind of modification to talk about. Gessing that after the Ochakov fiasko the navy wasnt so willing spending more money on a Kara-cruiser.

Intresting fact is that after the Kirovs and Slava cruisers she is actually the largest surface warship in the Russian navy today.

Big_Gazza wrote:I suspect that the RuN doesn't know what it wants yet regrading the Kerch.  She's an unmodernised Soviet-era cruiser so her weapons and sensors will be obsolete, plus she's a one-of-a-kind.  Not really worth upgrading, and probably not repairting given her limited combat capabilities.

They have better things to spend money on so will leave her tied up at wharf and thereby defer both a final decision and funds for breaking.

Maybe they will turn her into a museum ship?

That is the plan apparently. Read that at least one engine is fairly new and will be salvaged.

Back to two Slavas in the Black Sea.


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#ВМФ Project 1164, #Cф Northern Fleet’s Slava (NATO:Atlant) class guided missile cruiser Marshal Ustinov gives up on port call due to weather and transits Bosphorus back to Black Sea. With its powerful Bazalt missile system, the ship is among the most powerful in the Russian Navy

Putin from a NF CG watched the caliber and dagger rocket firing during exercises on the Black Sea
http://www.ng.ru/news/667575.html?print=Y

Moscow's desire to build warships does not match its capabilities
http://nvo.ng.ru/armament/2020-01-09/100_flot090120.html?print=Y

They look like canisters holding inflatable life-rafts.

Yeah, they are life rafts... standard on Russian and Soviet military vessels...



from here:

https://www.marineinsight.com/marine-safety/life-raft-on-ships-a-general-overview/

(scroll down the page for the above image...)

An FFG will get the 1st Zircon: https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5e26e6369a794779d2fc7f1b

The green lines are the World's undersea cable network.

The Pentagon has released a map showing areas of increased Russian and Chinese naval activities, as well as the locations of major undersea cables, around the world as part of its most recent budget request for the 2021 Fiscal Year. This is perhaps the most granular detail on these subjects that the U.S. government has provided to date after years of warning about the threats that these patrols, especially by Russian submarines, pose to American national interests. Just last week, we reported that a senior U.S. Navy officer stated that Russian submarine sorties had become such an issue that the service no longer treats the East Coast of the United States as "uncontested" and would no longer view it as a guaranteed "safe haven" in a crisis.

The U.S. military released the annotated map in a 134-page overview report accompanying its 2021 Fiscal Year budget proposal. The graphic is part of a section describing new and emerging security concerns, especially with regards to so-called "great power competitors," such as the Russians and the Chinese. The Trump Administration does not appear to have included any similar map in the documentation that went along with its previous budget requests for the 2018, 2019, or 2020 Fiscal Years.





https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/32145/new-pentagon-map-shows-huge-scale-of-worrisome-russian-and-chinese-naval-operations