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    Extremism and Terrorism in Russia

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Jun 25, 2024 5:31 am

    Just say they are the followers of NATO's newest ideology that it has concocted for gullible and uneducated Muslims.

    That would get the point across more succinctly than all this text
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    Post  flamming_python Tue Jun 25, 2024 5:40 am

    sepheronx wrote:As I said, uneducated Muslims who rather breed with their first cousins than attempt to actually apply logic.

    I wouldn't be so harsh, of course there are such people, but in the same manner as you can find criminals or traitors among Russians, or any population. So you can find fertile ground for shaping a few fanatics here and there in the Caucasus - but this work takes years and the result is what, precisely? Horrifying the rest of society? Such people are a far more finite resource now than they were 20, or even 10 years ago.

    All these sportsmen may be uneducated but they know their religion well enough. In Islam the prophet Muhammed issued an edict prohibiting any harm to come to Christians and their places of worship, something like that. And when on Jihad, it's forbidden to target old people for any reason. That's just the start of it, when criticizing these attacks from an Islamic point of view. There are many other things as various Imams have already pointed out.

    And then there's the fact that it's obvious that the goal of these attacks is to stoke sectarian and ethnic tensions and that they also came the same day as the missile strike on Sevastopol.

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    Post  sepheronx Tue Jun 25, 2024 4:37 pm

    Why don't we hear about terrorist attacks by Islamist radicals in Central Asia?

    The most surprising thing is that, for example, in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, which, as you know, are Muslim countries, we have not heard of religiously motivated terrorist attacks occurring there recently. Why? Because Tajikistan went through a bloody civil war, in which Islamists played a leading role, and there were similar unrest in Uzbekistan (Andijan 2005). And local authorities understand very well the danger of radical Islam. Therefore, they do not allow the emergence of extremist religious cells and imprison radical preachers.

    While traveling around Central Asia, in Dushanbe I talked with a young Tajik about this topic. He told me: “... no, what are you saying, if a young man walks down the street with a boatswain’s beard, then the police can stop him, ask who he is, why he has such a beard, check his phone and documents.” All correspondence on social networks and chats is reviewed by the State Committee for National Security, if you write something dubious, KGB agents will immediately break into your home, and they will start checking and listening to your mobile phone. Although there is soil for radical Islamism in Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, the population of these countries cannot be called rich, especially Tajiks. And poverty in Muslim countries is an open door to Islamic extremism. But the authorities keep the screws tight; the Central Asian satrapies are well aware that radical Islam will sweep away all established regimes.

    The most absurd thing is that migrants from Central Asia find extremist cells in Russia. Correctly noted, we are deciding whether to ban the niqab or not, and then a guy opens his own mosque because he didn’t like the local imam.

    How is this possible?

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    Post  caveat emptor Tue Jun 25, 2024 7:28 pm

    Many fundamentalist Tajiks are now in Russia.
    As for MMA clubs, this is a general problem throughout Russia, especially low level ones based on ethnicity. Fact that this guy comes from Nurmakhomedov's
    MMA team, also is pretty logical as many of his fighters don't even fight under Russian flag and Khabib himself has turned like that, especially lately. Look at his
    comments after anti-Jewish protest in Dagestan, as well as, his other posts, while keeping completely disinterested in the war that is going on atm.
    Of course, regarding the war, that might be completely materially driven, as he doesn't want to jeopardize his lucrative sponsorships in the west.
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    Post  PhSt Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:28 am


    Again, there are already successful models to emulate, mirror China's policies in Xinjiang with its vocational and training centers. Do not let people out of the camps until they are completely programmed (Russified), if the subject is beyond saving, apply them for voluntary organ donation. This is the most successful method that will last for all eternity.
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    Post  PhSt Wed Jun 26, 2024 4:36 am

    flamming_python wrote: In Islam the prophet Muhammed issued an edict prohibiting any harm to come to Christians and their places of worship, something like that. And when on Jihad, it's forbidden to target old people for any reason. .

    Umm, I would say your exposure to Muslims is not long enough to understand that this verse from the قطعة من البراز القرآن (Khuvran) is Abrogated.

    Also, the verses that give Justification for War against non Muslims in the name of الله الغائط  is what motivates Muslim Terrorists to do what they have been doing since the invention of Izlam, Killing and Subjugation of non Muslims.


    People will say you can't kill a religion or idea, This is BS. Kill a person and there will be no brain to hold this idea, then they will say, but the idea will be passed on to others, then Kill them too. Just Kill them All until everyone who dares to subscribe to this idea is Exterminated  attack


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    Post  caveat emptor Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:03 pm

    https://t.me/readovkanews/82207

    Pop-MMA and underground houses of worship are a problem of migration policy, said Kirill Kabanov, Member of the Human Rights Council under the President of Russia

    Member of the Presidential Human Rights Council Kirill Kabanov, during his speech at the St. Petersburg International Law Forum, recalled several other problems related to migration policy. According to him, a strategic threat to Russia is posed not only by the disturbed cultural and ethnic balance, but also by the “underground”. These include pop-MMA fight clubs and illegal houses of worship.

    Kabanov emphasized that fighters are being raised there who are ready to go out on the streets from childhood. He noted that migrants physically take over our territory not only with ideology, but also with physically specific objects.

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    Post  sepheronx Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:15 pm

    That goes in hand with Putins comment that migration isn't the solution.

    We have a problem out west now. Migrants screaming how they have rights here when they are on a PR. They think the country owes them. They don't even see themselves as Canadians either but Indians. Punjabis. Etc.

    Many also of them don't pay taxes.

    I could have told the Russians this over a decade ago. But at least they are more willing to deport and prevent movement. We do not.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:25 am

    caveat emptor wrote:https://t.me/readovkanews/82207

    Pop-MMA and underground houses of worship are a problem of migration policy, said Kirill Kabanov, Member of the Human Rights Council under the President of Russia

    Member of the Presidential Human Rights Council Kirill Kabanov, during his speech at the St. Petersburg International Law Forum, recalled several other problems related to migration policy.  According to him, a strategic threat to Russia is posed not only by the disturbed cultural and ethnic balance, but also by the “underground”.  These include pop-MMA fight clubs and illegal houses of worship.

    Kabanov emphasized that fighters are being raised there who are ready to go out on the streets from childhood.  He noted that migrants physically take over our territory not only with ideology, but also with physically specific objects.

    The MMA clubs shit has to go. Dagestan is full of them. Yeah it gives uneducated hoodlums a sport to busy themselves with, rather than getting up to shady activities, but it'll be even better to promote a culture of learning and education.

    As for the underground mosques - that has a very specific cause. Namely all the obstacles being put in the way by local authorities, sometimes pressured by local residents too, in building mosques for the growing Muslim communities in major cities. They have the mentality that all these people are temporary migrants and will go back to their own countries, but this is clearly not the case, they're here to stay. Now you can go and battle migration and so on, but for the people already there, do afford them the same privileges as for everyone else, which includes allowing them to build mosques. They do so with their own money, they only need planning permission.
    And it's not only the migrant population of course. Russia's own indigenous Muslims have also moved to the larger cities, and religious observance has grown over the past 20-30 years. They also need places of worship, even if you're phobic against the immigrants from Central Asia.

    And of course large, visible mosques are much easier to manage than many smaller, underground ones run by whoever.
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    Post  caveat emptor Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:07 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    As for the underground mosques - that has a very specific cause. Namely all the obstacles being put in the way by local authorities, sometimes pressured by local residents too, in building mosques for the growing Muslim communities in major cities. They have the mentality that all these people are temporary migrants and will go back to their own countries, but this is clearly not the case, they're here to stay. Now you can go and battle migration and so on, but for the people already there, do afford them the same privileges as for everyone else, which includes allowing them to build mosques. They do so with their own money, they only need planning permission.
    And it's not only the migrant population of course. Russia's own indigenous Muslims have also moved to the larger cities, and religious observance has grown over the past 20-30 years. They also need places of worship, even if you're phobic against the immigrants from Central Asia.

    And of course large, visible mosques are much easier to manage than many smaller, underground ones run by whoever.

    Problem with underground mosques is that they are very often center of wahhabism, i.e. terrorist hotbeds.

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    Post  PhSt Tue Jul 02, 2024 12:14 am

    "Moderate" religious figures in Dagestan are taking a stand to ban extremist behaviour like wearing Niqab in their area, This is a good first step but should have happened a long time ago. Russia needs to actively support the conversion of its minority population into the Russian Orthodox Chuch and make it a De facto state religion in Russia.



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    Post  flamming_python Tue Jul 02, 2024 4:54 am

    There was already talk of banning the niqab before these attacks, and Tajikistan had just done it.
    Given the ease of migration from Tajikistan to Russia, there was no chance that Russia would be willing to absorb the niqab-migrants from there, so of course it must ban it as well and in fact this measure was likely co-ordinated between Tajikistan and Russia beforehand. More than just them even. There is a motion to ban the niqab in Kazakhstan right now as well, and Uzbekistan had already banned it last year.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 03, 2024 4:16 am

    Can see the western news agencies and governments squealing about Russia abusing the religious rights of its minorities and how head coverings are to be respected and educated about rather than banned and abused....
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    Post  kvs Wed Jul 03, 2024 4:25 am

    The niqab is a Salafi fetish that appeared in the 1970s. It may have some historical link, but as it stands it is nothing more than a jihadi export that
    is imposed wherever they spread. Nobody was wearing niqabs in Afghanistan and most of the Middle East in the 1960s. This sort of clothing was
    absent in the Muslim republics of the former USSR and not because of the Soviet system, it was never there going back to before the arrival of Islam.

    As for the west, it is a toilet of bloody hypocrisy. Foisting this clothing as if it was intrinsic to Islam is simply abuse. It is also pure token irrelevance
    compared to substantial issues that would be relevant for Islam such as woke Sodomite degeneracy of the west.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Jul 03, 2024 5:06 am

    kvs wrote:The niqab is a Salafi fetish that appeared in the 1970s.   It may have some historical link, but as it stands it is nothing more than a jihadi export that
    is imposed wherever they spread.   Nobody was wearing niqabs in Afghanistan and most of the Middle East in the 1960s.  This sort of clothing was
    absent in the Muslim republics of the former USSR and not because of the Soviet system, it was never there going back to before the arrival of Islam.

    As for the west, it is a toilet of bloody hypocrisy.  Foisting this clothing as if it was intrinsic to Islam is simply abuse.  It is also pure token irrelevance
    compared to substantial issues that would be relevant for Islam such as woke Sodomite degeneracy of the west.


    In Central Asia you had something called the paranja, which is basically a burqa. Soviet authorities were battling with the practice soon after they assumed power, and eventually succeeded.
    In Afghanistan you had something similar, and presumably therefore in Pakistan too

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    Post  ahmedfire Wed Jul 03, 2024 8:41 am


    I personally support banning niqab , it's not necessary in Islam ,anyone's face should be recognized it's a simple fact .

    Most of women in Arab world are not wearing niqab except the gulf countries which is actually a bedouin/Salafi habit there .



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    Post  PhSt Sat Jul 20, 2024 12:21 pm

    NATO Wahabi / Salafi / ISIS and all other assorted Terrorist Pigs seem to still have an active cell in the Russian Caucasus region. NATO is activating these cells to conduct Terrorist operations inside Russia while the country is distracted in the ongoing SMO. Russia needs to impose another Purging and Sterilization operation in this region and wipe out all the Terrorists up to its roots.

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    Post  PhSt Sat Jul 20, 2024 12:27 pm

    ahmedfire wrote:
    I personally support banning niqab , it's not necessary in Islam ,anyone's face should be recognized it's a simple fact .

    There are many Muslim women in Indonesia who only wear Hijab when they pray. This would be the ideal set up. Islamic Women who wear Hijab and all other sorts of veil All Day is evidence of Extremism.
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    Post  kvs Sat Jul 20, 2024 12:29 pm

    That is unnecessary abuse that will not deliver safety. It is essentially a policy to exterminate every Muslim in Russia. Why does Russia
    need this? To alienate the Islamic world and make the NATzO west happy? By acting in a balanced and fair way, Russia can undermine
    NATzO hypocrites who are fellating Netanyahoo as he butchers hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. Acting this way also helps
    Russian long term security. Chechnya is proof of this. It was Stalin's ham fisted repression that created problems instead of solving them.
    Naturally NATzO will find some retards to exploit. That is a vulnerability that every country has. The precious NATzO west is not immune.

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    Post  PhSt Sat Jul 20, 2024 12:50 pm

    Sorry, my use of strong terminologies give readers a different picture of what i wanted to imply, I guess the best action that Russia can take at the moment is to continue its operations to root out extremist elements in the Caucasus which Russia has been doing for decades, perhaps intensify it a bit and start investigating these so called UFC fighting clubs and underground "Mosques" that peddle extremist ideologies to its followers.

    But, at some point in the future, especially when Russia reincorporate its former territories of Central Asia and Southern Caucasus back to the Russian Federation, Russia will need to implement Chinese policies like in Xinjiang to effectively humanize its Muslim population and revert them back to the Russian orthodox church.

    Chinese boarding schools in Xinjiang serves two important purpose,

    1. De-radicalization and Humanization
    2. Source of Cheap labor

    So not only are people being taught to behave like normal humans again, but at the same time, they provide cheap labor to bolster the country's economy. This is a Win Win solution indeed and Russia needs to seriously study this effective approach.

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