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    Pantsir missile/gun AD system Thread: #2

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    Post  George1 Mon Dec 20, 2021 9:18 am

    Combat use of the Pantsir-S air defense missile system at the Ashuluk training ground

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    Post  Isos Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:29 pm

    http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/air-defence-systems/air-defense-systems-and-mounts/"Pantsir-S1M"/

    They are advertizing the Pantsir-S1M with missiles having a range of 30km against 2m2 targets. That clearly means the missile is in service with Russia.
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    Post  Krepost Fri Dec 31, 2021 2:13 am

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    Post  GarryB Fri Dec 31, 2021 10:14 am

    They are advertizing the Pantsir-S1M with missiles having a range of 30km against 2m2 targets. That clearly means the missile is in service with Russia.

    Export model with export specs... but interesting anyway...
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    Post  Krepost Thu Feb 03, 2022 5:42 am

    Video is from the factory in Tula that produces the Pantsir system.
    Video is from September 2020.
    It has interesting shots including the small missile for the Pantsir, the naval model etc.

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    Post  franco Sun Feb 06, 2022 9:06 pm

    Access is limited: the south of the country is reinforced with mobile air defense units

    Why are reserve units armed with Pantsir complexes formed in the Southern Military District

    The south of Russia and the Caucasus will be covered by an “impenetrable air defense dome”. According to Izvestia's sources in the military department, new units and subunits of the mobile air defense reserve will be formed as part of the Southern Military District. If necessary, they will have to move quickly to cover important military and socially significant facilities from drone strikes and cruise missiles. It is already known that the Pantsir air defense missile system will go into service with military units and subunits. These complexes can make marches for hundreds of kilometers and immediately begin to perform a combat mission.

    FULL ARTICLE: https://iz-ru.translate.goog/1287537/aleksei-ramm-andrei-fedorov-bogdan-stepovoi/dostup-ogranichen-iug-strany-usilivaiut-mobilnymi-chastiami-pvo?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

    NOTE: this will make 5 of these District Reserve Pantsir Air Defense regiments. One per 4 military districts and 1 in the Capital Special Air Defense zone. Again IMHO hope that long term plans includes mixed Pantsir and S350 units here.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:00 am

    Pantsir-S1M during desert trials.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:24 pm

    The updated "Shell" received a high-precision navigation system

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    The upgraded Pantsir-SM air defense system received a high-precision navigation system. It was developed on the basis of a world-class strapdown inertial navigation system and has no analogues in Russia.

    This was reported to TASS by the industrial director of the Rostec weapons complex, Bekhan Ozdoev. He noted that it combines the key parameters of modern orientation systems - high accuracy of autonomous determination of angles, readiness time and resistance to external influencing factors. And now ZRPK, equipped with a new navigation system, is being tested.

    Experts say: the use of a high-precision strapdown inertial navigation system makes it possible to aim a package with rockets with maximum accuracy and speed. In addition, ZRPK can autonomously perform orientation and navigation, including in the absence of signals from satellites. And this is important with the action of electronic warfare.

    "Shell" is a short-range anti-aircraft missile and gun system. Its reaction time is from 4 to 6 seconds. Provides protection against massive strikes by means of air attack using high-precision weapons and drones.

    https://rg.ru/2022/02/21/obnovlennyj-pancir-poluchil-vysokotochnuiu-sistemu-navigacii.html

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    Post  GarryB Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:37 am

    Thanks for that image Krepost... ie:

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    Just looking at the rear tail fins of each missile...

    If we go to the KBPtula website that makes Tunguska and Kashtan and Pantsir and Hermes, we find this missile is used by Tunguska and Kashtan:

    Pantsir missile/gun AD system Thread: #2 - Page 15 Raketa10

    Note similar layout but different fins from all three above.

    This is the missile shown for Pantsir-ME which is a naval Kashtan replacement:

    Pantsir missile/gun AD system Thread: #2 - Page 15 Raketa11

    And the land based Pantsir-S1:

    Pantsir missile/gun AD system Thread: #2 - Page 15 Raketa12

    Which both seem to match the left most missile in the top photo based on the missile tailfins visible.

    While this is supposed to be a photo of the SOSNA together with the Pantsir:

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    So what are those two missiles on the right of the top photo... the sharp triangular fins of the middle one and the small fins of the one on the right...

    The far right one might be one of those new small missiles with four missiles to a tube for drones, the centre one looks smaller and the booster is enormous so perhaps it is one of the new 40-45km range models?

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    Post  Krepost Thu Feb 24, 2022 3:26 am

    GarryB wrote:Thanks for that image Krepost... ie:
    ......

    So what are those two missiles on the right of the top photo... the sharp triangular fins of the middle one and the small fins of the one on the right...

    The far right one might be one of those new small missiles with four missiles to a tube for drones, the centre one looks smaller and the booster is enormous so perhaps it is one of the new 40-45km range models?

    - The far right one is indeed the small missile (with 4 to a tube) for drones.
    - The center one is the new missile for the new Pantsir-S1M system with longer range: Unclear what the range will be, we heard 40 km and we heard 30 km.

    The PANTSIR-S1M was first shown at the victory parade of 2020. Both missiles (small and large ) were on the vehicles (in their respective containers of course).

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    Post  caveat emptor Yesterday at 4:02 pm

    New Pantsir SM will have 24 missiles, instead of 12.
    This variant will have guns and tracking radar removed. Load will be 96 missiles with, new, small missiles for drones.
    https://ria.ru/amp/20220629/pantsir-1799015944.html

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    Post  Broski Yesterday at 5:09 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:New Pantsir SM will have 24 missiles, instead of 12.
    This variant will have guns and tracking radar removed. Load will be 96 missiles with, new, small missiles for drones.
    https://ria.ru/amp/20220629/pantsir-1799015944.html
    Good to hear, I can imagine 6 of these new variants operating with an early detection radar and creating a near-impenetrable shield around lets say... Snake Island?
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    Post  Isos Yesterday at 5:33 pm

    Snake island is at artillery range. Fire 25 shells and the pantsir is gone. There is no perfect weapons.

    It seems they understood guns are useless and they just needed more missiles. With the 4 mini missiles per tube they can have a nice mix to increase numbers.

    Drawback is that this system is quite big. Sosna-R is needed to go with it and go in area this pantsir can't. But keeping wheeled chassi is good.
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    Post  caveat emptor Yesterday at 6:05 pm

    Isos wrote:Snake island is at artillery range. Fire 25 shells and the pantsir is gone. There is no perfect weapons.

    It seems they understood guns are useless and they just needed more missiles. With the 4 mini missiles per tube they can have a nice mix to increase numbers.

    Drawback is that this system is quite big. Sosna-R is needed to go with it and go in area this pantsir can't. But keeping wheeled chassi is good.
    Guns will become more effective with airburst programmable munition. Most likely, small, simple missiles are less expensive solution.

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    Post  Isos Yesterday at 6:13 pm

    Well those are expensive munitions. Just use them on that 57mm AA gun which can hit further away.

    30mm are not needed on modern battlefield.

    More easy to reload cheap missiles is the way to go.

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