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    Pantsir missile/gun AD system Thread: #2

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    Post  Singular_Transform on Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:21 pm

    George1 wrote:Pantsyr-SM with an installed four-seater container for small-sized missiles. The main objective of these missiles is to intercept small drones and single unguided missiles.


    The missile itself is like a toy, maybe 20cm ? But no more than 30 cm .
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    Post  Hole on Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:41 pm

    A toy filled with explosives. The dream of every kid.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:07 pm

    The missile itself is like a toy, maybe 20cm ? But no more than 30 cm .

    That's actually the normal size. The first missiles were designed in the 90s and made on the basis of tunguska's missiles.

    Now, 20 years later, electronics have a reduced size (Moore's law), there is no inboard radar and the rocket engine can work with tiny missiles which would be harder to miniaturized if it was a jet engine.

    Also the new missikes with 40km range will just use the technology of the small missiles but in the body of the 20km missile.
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    Post  Stealthflanker on Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:35 pm

    Isos wrote:What's the purpose of the antenna on the radar ? Some sort of amplifier ?

    Which radar ?

    If what you mean is that object supported by four flanges on the engagement radar. That perhaps a feed horn. Which i'm curious on why no more people asking. "why feed horn for an AESA radar ?"

    Existence of feed horn on top of a supposedly AESA could only means two points :

    1.The radar is actually PESA
    2.The radar is what i speculated a "Hybrid" between AESA-PESA that works in different band and they were sharing common aperture.

    The feedhorn is for the higher band (e.g mm wave) While the AESA may work in another band (e.g X-band). There of course no disclosure on the design but this one is my speculation :

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    The PESA part is a reflectarray while the AESA part is behind the reflect-array's reflector.
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    The SM appears to delegate the control function to another vehicle.. as there seems to be no crew control cabin as the previous Pantsyr.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Jun 20, 2020 8:32 pm

    The SM is meant to act as independent if need be so the crew is in the cabin of the first part of the vehicle and the second part is simply manless.

    These are also meant to act in control with a central command unit.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jun 21, 2020 12:53 pm

    The missile itself is like a toy, maybe 20cm ? But no more than 30 cm .

    On the previous page you see it but I would say the front narrow piece is about 3-3.5cm and the body of the missile might be 5cm-6cm calibre maybe a little bigger.

    A toy filled with explosives. The dream of every kid.

    One that is supersonic and flys on remote control....

    That's actually the normal size. The first missiles were designed in the 90s and made on the basis of tunguska's missiles.

    Now, 20 years later, electronics have a reduced size (Moore's law), there is no inboard radar and the rocket engine can work with tiny missiles which would be harder to miniaturized if it was a jet engine.

    Also the new missikes with 40km range will just use the technology of the small missiles but in the body of the 20km missile.

    The missiles themselves are similar to command guided ATGMs and don't have a lot of electronics inside them... a long slim warhead and control fins...

    The SM appears to delegate the control function to another vehicle.. as there seems to be no crew control cabin as the previous Pantsyr.

    My understanding is that the only unmanned model is the shelterised model mounted on a trailer. All the rest have crews and can act on their own independently or as part of a regiment or battery or as part of an IADS.
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    Post  George1 Yesterday at 2:57 pm

    Pantsir-S (VNIIRT TAR), Pantsir-S (KBPA TAR), Pantsir-SA and Pantsir-SM

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    Post  The-thing-next-door Yesterday at 6:33 pm

    Why does the arctic version not have the 30mm cannon?

    They can't be that heavy and they add an extra layer of air defence.
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    Post  Isos Yesterday at 6:42 pm

    The-thing-next-door wrote:Why does the arctic version not have the 30mm cannon?

    They can't be that heavy and they add an extra layer of air defence.

    There isn't lot of stuff flying in the arctic. Mainly big bombers or cruise missiles or huge drones.

    The missiles are a better way to deal with them. 30mm guns are useless for that.
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    Post  medo Yesterday at 7:04 pm

    The-thing-next-door wrote:Why does the arctic version not have the 30mm cannon?

    They can't be that heavy and they add an extra layer of air defence.

    Arctic version got 6 more missiles instead of guns. Guns have a lot of mechanical parts, which could freeze and jam, also they take a lot of space for ammunition. With taking guns out, they got additional space in turret for heating devices for operations in extream cold.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Yesterday at 7:32 pm

    medo wrote:
    The-thing-next-door wrote:Why does the arctic version not have the 30mm cannon?

    They can't be that heavy and they add an extra layer of air defence.

    Arctic version got 6 more missiles instead of guns. Guns have a lot of mechanical parts, which could freeze and jam, also they take a lot of space for ammunition. With taking guns out, they got additional space in turret for heating devices for operations in extream cold.

    I think 57mm cannon would work better in that climate than the 30mm equivalent. Bigger more robust parts.

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