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    Post  Guest on Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:33 am

    zg18 wrote:
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    Militarov wrote:Iraq cuts off wages in Islamic State controlled cities.... what da hell? It took them this long to do that???

    Better late than never.

    I do not support this , Baghdad needs to pay it`s obligations and show people this is temporary situation. Russia also never cut off Chechnya from central budget and won grudging respect from part of Chechens.

    Issue is, money that is spared for these areas never manages to reach people there its taken by ISIS before it comes to their pockets, for them its the same.
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    Post  ExBeobachter1987 on Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:35 am

    zg18 wrote:
    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:
    Militarov wrote:Iraq cuts off wages in Islamic State controlled cities.... what da hell? It took them this long to do that???

    Better late than never.

    I do not support this , Baghdad needs to pay it`s obligations and show people this is temporary situation. Russia also never cut off Chechnya from central budget and won grudging respect from part of Chechens.

    Daesh is a greater threat to Iraq than Ichkeria was to Russia and after the oil prices crushed Baghdad should prioritize the well-being of the ones who fight for it rather than punishing them with budget cuts.
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    Post  zg18 on Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:40 am

    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:Daesh is a greater threat to Iraq than Ichkeria was to Russia and after the oil prices crushed Baghdad should prioritize the well-being of the ones who fight for it rather than punishing them with budget cuts.

    You do have a point here , still...
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    Post  sepheronx on Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:40 am

    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:
    zg18 wrote:
    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:
    Militarov wrote:Iraq cuts off wages in Islamic State controlled cities.... what da hell? It took them this long to do that???

    Better late than never.

    I do not support this , Baghdad needs to pay it`s obligations and show people this is temporary situation. Russia also never cut off Chechnya from central budget and won grudging respect from part of Chechens.

    Daesh is a greater threat to Iraq than Ichkeria was to Russia and after the oil prices crushed Baghdad should prioritize the well-being of the ones who fight for it rather than punishing them with budget cuts.

    What are Iraq's other sources of an economy besides the oil industry?
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    Post  Guest on Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:47 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:
    zg18 wrote:
    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:
    Militarov wrote:Iraq cuts off wages in Islamic State controlled cities.... what da hell? It took them this long to do that???

    Better late than never.

    I do not support this , Baghdad needs to pay it`s obligations and show people this is temporary situation. Russia also never cut off Chechnya from central budget and won grudging respect from part of Chechens.

    Daesh is a greater threat to Iraq than Ichkeria was to Russia and after the oil prices crushed Baghdad should prioritize the well-being of the ones who fight for it rather than punishing them with budget cuts.

    What are Iraq's other sources of an economy besides the oil industry?

    Some chemical industry again connected with raw Oil as base material, fertilizers, before 2003. they had decent income from tourism, some mining but nothing on large scale. Industrial sector they had before wars is now basically dead except certain companies that are dedicated to maintenance and production of tools, pipes and devices used in oil industry. Offical numbers are that almost 90% of economy is directly connected with oil as of 2014.

    Here some additional info: http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21646804-fiscal-problems-add-countrys-woes-empty-chest
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    Post  iraqidabab on Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:53 am

    Trust me, sending money or not is not going to impact whether people in Mosul like the government. This issue cannot accurately be discussed either, it must wait for after Mosul operation.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Oct 03, 2015 2:18 am

    zg18 wrote:
    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:Daesh is a greater threat to Iraq than Ichkeria was to Russia and after the oil prices crushed Baghdad should prioritize the well-being of the ones who fight for it rather than punishing them with budget cuts.

    You do have a point here , still...

    Obligations need to be honored. They could reduce the amount but keep on paying regularly.
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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:02 am

    The government in Baghdad making this bold step clarifies that the people who voluntarily remained in isis areas are no longer iraqi citizens. They had over a year to leave, and anyone who was afraid of isis left already in the first days after their take over. Al the people remaining there have taken an oath of loyalty to isis already as well as taken isis citizenship.

    That means they voluntarily gave up their iraqi citizenship and are now simply illegal invaders in the Republic of iraq.
    They have no right, as foreigners, to own properties or businesses in Iraq. All those assets revert to the ownership of the iraqi ministry of finance once it can be recovered.

    Hence the exodus of all these isis types to turkey and Europe... There's a lot more where that came from.

    If iraq can retake Mosul and other areas.  They will be free of these terrorists and can be populated by the people who are not violent degenerates... Yazidis shabak christians shia Turkmen kurds and sunni Arabs who were anti isis.
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    Post  George1 on Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:04 am

    what is the coordination level between baghdad government and Iraqi Kurdistan administration against ISIS?
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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:09 am

    George1 wrote:what is the coordination level between baghdad government and Iraqi Kurdistan administration against ISIS?

    Its relaxed from the iraqi side.

    Kurds are fighting their own fight.  They only fight isis to secure land they want for their kurdish stage.  they don't involve themselves in anything for an overall anti isis campaign.

    Kurdistan still has relations with isis. And isis do still use kurdistan for trade and r&r.  

    There are over 5000 sunni kurds in isis and towns like halabja have someone in isis from nearly every family. Therefore there is more sympathy for isis from the general populace which is more hostile to southern iraqi Arabs as result.

    Southern Iraqis have finally given up their delusions about iraqi unity since last year so the push for kurdish independence is arguably stronger amongst southern Iraqis than from kurds nowadays.

    Kurdish position is trying to balance against all.manner of external factors. And for them iraq is not a major factor since iraq does not oppose their independence... Iraq is just a bit bored of kurds screaming about taking independence and never going ahead with it!
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    Post  higurashihougi on Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:25 am

    First they cooperated with Russia in intelligence sharing, now they invited Russia to air strike. Cool Cool

    Will be there a day when Iraq openly slaps the face of Uncle Sam and switch side to Russia ?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/iraqi-prime-minister-says-he-would-welcome-russian-airstrikes/2015/10/01/4177cf3c-684b-11e5-8325-a42b5a459b1e_story.html

    Iraqi prime minister says he would ‘welcome’ Russian airstrikes in Iraq.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Oct 03, 2015 5:01 pm

    Now you made want to go home.
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    Post  HUNTER VZLA on Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:25 pm

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Oct 04, 2015 7:06 pm

    A Joint Anti-ISIL Information Center is Opening in Baghdad

    The agreement between Russia, Syria, Iran and Iraq on the creation of an information center to coordinate the fight against ISIL in Baghdad has received an extensive amount of media coverage in Iraq. As for the legal aspect of this step, local legal experts are convinced that the creation of such an entity doesn’t require the approval of the national Parliament, since the information center lies in the jurisdiction of the General Staff of Iraqi armed forces.

    A number of Iraqi political figures and experts have already voiced their approval of this step since this center will be in the lead in the domain of accumulating and analyzing all information about the state of the fight against ISIL to provide the four above mentioned states with the most accurate information possible. Thus, the deputy head of al-Anbar province stated that the government welcomes any regional and international efforts that would allow Iraq to eliminate the jihadi threat.

    Chairman of the Committee on Defense and Security of the Parliament also believes that the four states will be able put an end to ISIL faster than the “failed international coalition led by the United States”. He stated that he believes in Russia as a partner and as a political player that will continue supporting Iraq.

    According to the Sawt al-Iraq electronic journal, this brainchild of the four countries will help Baghdad in its fight against terrorism and ISIL. According to this media source the joint effort may lead to a qualitative shift in the strengthening of Iraq and the stabilization of the entire Middle East region.

    A local politician and journalist Muhammad Abdul Jabbar al-Shabut, who spent decades abroad while opposing the previous Iraqi regime, believes that there’s some major shifts to be observed in the Middle East that can be attributed to Russia’s involvement in the course of events. The Russian Federation is among the states that are creating the information center in Baghdad. All the founder states, except for Iraq, have not been a part of the US-led coalition, therefore Iraq can play a role as a bridge that connects the East and West in the fight against Islamists.

    Muhammad Abdul Jabbar al-Shabut is convinced that Russia is moving much quicker than the United States, since it’s a common belief in Iraq that the international coalition headed by Washington has been fighting ISIL in a lethargic fashion, therefore, the four above mentioned states have a chance to “lead by example”.

    Events in the region in recent weeks, according to the Iraqi expert, have been developing at a faster pace than before, while an increasing number of Western leaders have changed their positions on the role that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad can play in the future.

    This Iraqi journalist has recently noted that there’s a growing sense of terrorist danger in the world, and an Iranian-Russian-American rapprochement can save the world from a new Nazi-like threat that is hiding under the disguise of fighting for Islam.

    Yuri Zinin, Senior Research Fellow at the Moscow State Institute of International Relations (MGIMO), exclusively for the  online magazine  “New Eastern Outlook”.

    First appeared: http://journal-neo.org/2015/10/04/a-joint-anti-isisl-information-center-is-opening-in-baghdad/

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:01 pm

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    Post  sepheronx on Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:38 pm

    http://m.lenta.ru/news/2015/10/04/iraq_isil/

    Lenta isn't quite reliable, but they state that Iraqi PM has sent a request for Russia to strike ISIS targets from Iraqi airbases.
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    Post  iraqidabab on Mon Oct 05, 2015 1:04 am

    Abadi himself said he would welcome Russian airstrike, then a Russian official said they would consider it if requested.

    But whether official request is done, why would news know? If done that would be through secure phone line, news wouldn't know and if Russia agreed we would hear about it no more then a couple days before their jets land in Iraq or start striking. Obviously Iraq needs the help, for Russia it justifies their campaign as truely fighting IS. Also many (religious) Iraqi fighters will enter Syria after Iraq is liberated to help the SAA.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:14 am

    It's probably too early for an Iraqi deployment atm. But I think chances are there will be a deployment in the near future. Apparently a high level Russian military delegation is currently in Teheran (unofficial reports) presumably to coordinate efforts
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    Post  OminousSpudd on Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:47 am

    Without US cooperation in Iraq, atleast in communication, the situation could escalate very quickly. I don't think we'll see Russian jets in Iraqi airspace flying sorties even with an invitation unless the US pisses off completely or actually participates, neither of which they're willing to do at the moment. We'll see in a month or so when the Syrian campaign is finished with outstanding results, then the US will be forced to cooperate to save face.
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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Mon Oct 05, 2015 12:08 pm

    Russian participation in Iraq is quite inevitable really. But it won't happen until they iron out the Air Traffic Control issues with the western Coallition who are operating over Iraqi Airspace.

    As it stands today Iraqi airspace is simply cut up into several small "zones" and Iraqi aircraft are restricted to fly combat and recon operations in only certain areas at certain times by the USAF. In several instances there have been skirmishes when individual Iraqi SU-25 pilots disregarded the "zones" and attacked ISIS outside the allowed airspace for Iraqi aircraft... naturally those attacks had the most spectacular results and were roundly condemned by the US media... e.g. the bombing of the ISIS operated oil refinery and fuel trucks in Qayara south of Mosul...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwTK7WRRWwc

    After all this time it seems the US restricted airspace has been more about protecting Daesh from Iraqi airstrikes than about managing strikes. Of course the US does strike Daesh if they attempt to attack Kurds... So the US is simply "funelling" the ISIS degenerates to attack only the Shia Iraqis and slap them on the wrist for attacking Kurds.

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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:00 pm

    sheytanelkebir wrote:Russian participation in Iraq is quite inevitable really. But it won't happen until they iron out the Air Traffic Control issues with the western Coallition who are operating over Iraqi Airspace.

    As it stands today Iraqi airspace is simply cut up into several small "zones" and Iraqi aircraft are restricted to fly combat and recon operations in only certain areas at certain times by the USAF. In several instances there have been skirmishes when individual Iraqi SU-25 pilots disregarded the "zones" and attacked ISIS outside the allowed airspace for Iraqi aircraft... naturally those attacks had the most spectacular results and were roundly condemned by the US media... e.g. the bombing of the ISIS operated oil refinery and fuel trucks in Qayara south of Mosul...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwTK7WRRWwc

    After all this time it seems the US restricted airspace has been more about protecting Daesh from Iraqi airstrikes than about managing strikes. Of course the US does strike Daesh if they attempt to attack Kurds... So the US is simply "funelling" the ISIS degenerates to attack only the Shia Iraqis and slap them on the wrist for attacking Kurds.

    It does seem crazy that the Iraqi Air Force can probably only operate where it wants to in CAS mode by flying below surface radar systems and avoiding AWACS patrolled areas.

    No wonder Iraq wants the RuAF in, as a big brother to stand up to the playground bully for him.
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    Post  HUNTER VZLA on Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:43 pm

    Battle for Al-Siniyah, west of Baiji, is heating up. Major Da'ish stronghold.

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    Post  iraqidabab on Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:12 pm

    Baghdad hasn't asked Moscow to conduct strikes on IS in Iraq: RIA

    What it seems like. Abadi wants Russian jets in Iraq, Russia seems willing but no official request. Abadi spoke with Obama a few days ago, of course they are the biggest obstacle to this request.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Oct 06, 2015 5:50 am

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    Post  iraqidabab on Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:55 am

    Tuesday again a high positioned official Valentina Matviyenko says it would consider if Iraq asks. I think this is more like an offer given that they've repeated it several times now by different high officials. But Abadi might be using Russia to pressure the US into giving real air support.

    Russia would consider air strikes in Iraq at Baghdad's request: RIA

    Russia will consider extending its air strikes against militants in Syria to Iraq if it receives such a request from Baghdad, the RIA news agency quoted the head of the country's upper chamber of parliament as saying on Tuesday.

    The speaker, Valentina Matviyenko, said Russia had so far not received such a request from the Iraqi government.

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