GunshipDemocracy wrote:d_taddei2 wrote:Iraq doesn't really need fast aircraft only a handful for interceptor duties.
all countries do
As for others being more expensive depends on the source being used some sources state T-50 more expensive than J-17 and mig. According to iraqinews article iraq paid $1.1 billion for 24 aircraft including training which divided gives $45.8 million each (Inc training)
depending what was in package.Usually this includes training, ground, and logistical support. So price of plane is just a fraction of cost. BTW Su-35 for China was 105mln $ /per fighter $hwrwe for Russian AF is about 2 blns Rub (~ 33 mlns $)
Prices per plane are higher for both MiG and J-17. Unless you buy Chinese stuff without any support? besides Chinese electronics in olde designs IMHO still doesn't match Korean one.I am pretty sure they could have got J-17 or mig-29m2 for less. And I think mig-29m2 & J-17 are faster than T-50.
Additionally T-50 can be both fighter and trainer.
Not sure if Yak would be interested in this or what was precise requirements of Iraqi AF. The fact is Koreans just won this time.The yak-130 has capacity to be armed and would be ideal for patrolling due to reduced costs but not as an interceptor unless against drones helicopters slower aircraft.
Itisof course my "IMHO" against your "IMHO"
I did state a handful of interceptors needed doesn't have much of an air threat.
The article stated this "The order, including training, was valued at $1.1 billion, but the manufacturing Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) said supporting the aircraft over 20 years will take total revenue beyond $2 billion."
Going by other orders of J-17 it's does seem cheaper even with training added in but chinese stuff is normally cheaper but I agree not always fantastic but does the job. My reasoning was iraq doesn't really need fancy or expensive equipment for the type of conflict it faces. There's plenty of other attack/trainers on the market. Ideally if they had the cash Su-30 but not shit loads of them add in some su-24m2 it's enough if you look at what's been doing most of the bombing in Iraq it's been Su-25, L-159, cessna 208.
As for the su-35 chinese deal we all know that the price was high because China are going to copy the shit out of it they always do.
Iraq along with other deals with Russia could have tied aircraft purchase into gain a discount with a country they already have defence relationship with this is first time for iraq and south Korea and first orders can be high. Maintenance and diplomatic relations is now key for these aircraft between iraq and south Korea (usa ally)
I generally find iraq becoming a mish mash usa weapons now leaning towards Russia and other countries it will end up like Egypt looool. It's not necessarily bad thing just a nightmare when it comes to maintaining equipment as well as integration