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    Post  Isos on Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:00 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:Great new year's eve gift from Iran/Iraq:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-aphache-gunships-attempt-disperse-mob-kataib-hezbollah-flags-erected-over

    Make those bastards run boys  attack  yes sir

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Conflicts/status/1212064585668288514
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    Post  nomadski on Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:50 pm

    It depends on level of local support for close in action of this type. Using short range mortars. No army can completely guard against all vehicular traffic. In busy area. But I agree. It can not form the back bone of a solid reliable tactic. SRBM of say 100 km range can work better. Something that fits inside a truck. Since the radius of operation is very large. Impossible to intercept all traffic even by many drones. A vehicle can fire from this distance. A swarm of UAV has similar effect. On target selection, well the yank oil company in KRG can be good target. Let them run to Trump, complaining about their lost contract.

    https://youtu.be/tbfSa95ZEq8

    Invite China to replace Western firm in oil in Iraq. QED. The BBC now indirectly refer to Hezb forces as monkey that burned and died in Zoo. They have only one answer. The body count. Once real killing starts, war has momentum of it's own. And the warmongers profit. That is why any retaliation must be against economic interests of yank. So the multi - national corporations supporting this war, loose their interests. And bring the war to end. Although it is tempting to provide a couple of body bags to them for the remains of their troops, this tactic of body count should be resisted. The body count should be for number of American / English firms driven out of region.

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/indepth/features/2011/12/2011122813134071641.html

    I was looking at Iranian rocket artillery. There are so many versions, I nearly got a headache. For size of rocket and warhead size and range, this little fellow seems perfect. But remember, all Iran artillery rockets are precision guided and converted. So you will only need a few of them to cover many installations and reinforcements.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fajr-5



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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:39 am

    Meaning US and British special forces used GPS to direct those mortars to the Soviet airbase ?

    Meaning Afghan muj carry the mortars and mortar bombs and a couple of US special forces carry a GPS receiver and while the Muj are setting up the mortars the US guy makes the calculation of direction and angles to fire on a nearby Soviet airbase... they fire and then leave as fast as they can...

    A chance of doing so damage with little to no risk of getting return fire before they move.

    Did the Soviets find a counter to this assault ? I remember Mi 35 and Su 25 used to fly CAP over Soviet airbases in Afghanistan, so they could be used to neutralize these US, UK special forces.

    Not really... it could be done at night or in the worst weather, and of course they had little in the way of night vision at the time that would be effective.

    Today of course they will have artillery spotting radar and indeed air defence vehicles on the airfield that could probably selectively shoot down any projectiles heading towards areas with aircraft out in the open and vulnerable... plus attack helos with night and all weather capability to return the favour.

    Equally drones operating around the air base could detect enemy activity and mark targets for artillery to engage fairly quickly...

    But at the time little of that was a real option... they could set up out in the open in empty country, but could just as easily set up on the roof of a school or hospital in the hope of return fire to sour the local population against the evil occupiers who kill them for no reason... Rolling Eyes you know... like the bad guys do.

    Make those bastards run boys

    Make some model Iglas out of cardboard to get those Apaches to turn tail and run away....

    Well a drone a flying 12 hours armed with 4 atgm and night vision would do great job at spoting them and destroying half of them and giving warning to the base to get cover and destroy the rest by guiding friendly artillery fire.

    Agree, but no one had that in the early 1980s...

    The point of my suggestion is to set it up and then leave it... they wont know what it is until it is too late because it wont look like a weapon.
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    Post  PhSt on Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:02 pm



    So apparently its okay to use tear gas against protestors as long as they are anti-US and pro Iran.

    But if protesters are pro-US and pro-Hong Kong Secessionists the effects of tear gas is a MAJOR concern for protestor's health. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


    Tear gas used for crowd control in Hong Kong poses health, environmental risks
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    Post  nomadski on Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:21 am

    @ Phst

    The Yanks used  biological weapons against tribes in North America. Killing 90 million. They used Atomic weapon in Japan, killing hundreds of thousands. And they used chemical weapons in Vietnam. And they used depleted Uranium in Iraq. Causing increased cancers. Their side kick, the British used starvation tactic against India and other European colonials caused untold suffering in Africa. The Germans armed Saddam with chemical weapons against Iran. And the kurds...........

    For all these murders, there is an answer. But sometimes for local and popular forces to form and arm and retaliate, takes time. The Yanks are choking the region, as they have done and will continue to do. As Trump declared. In Vietnam they tried to Choke them by trying to destroy the Ho Chi Min road. But failed. In Iraq, they try to Choke by closing the Iran - Iraq - Syria - Lebanon Road. To Choke. That is why they come under attack. Their historical mission is racist and colonial domination. This policy predates capitalism or liberalism. It belongs to an earlier age.

    The only cure for this American disease, is a series of political / economic / military defeats. All across the world. Iran can arm and direct different national forces to target yank economic interests all across region. From Afghanistan to PG region. Soon the Yanks will loose interests in region. And will leave. Replaced by China or Russia or the rest of the world......
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    Post  zorobabel on Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:47 am

    The US has killed Qassem Soleimani as well as the deputy head of the PMU in Iraq, Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis in airstrikes on the Baghdad International Airport: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/iraq-3-katyusha-rockets-fired-baghdad-airport-200102232817666.html
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    Post  crod on Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:32 am

    Well that places Iran in a tight spot...words and bluster alone will tell everyone that you can kill such high value targets knowing Iran will not take any action.
    Interesting start to the year.
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    Post  zorobabel on Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:37 am

    crod wrote:Well that places Iran in a tight spot...words and bluster alone will tell everyone that you can kill such high value targets knowing Iran will not take any action.
    Interesting start to the year.
    Indeed. Also killed was a deputy leader of Hezbollah Lebanon.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:45 am

    crod wrote:Well that places Iran in a tight spot...words and bluster alone will tell everyone that you can kill such high value targets knowing Iran will not take any action.
    Interesting start to the year.

    Tight spot indeed but I doubt anything will come of it

    Iran was getting slapped before and huffed and puffed but ultimately did nothing

    Some technicals may launch some rockets and some political activists might detonate themselves but nothing else will happen, things always calm down quickly with Iran

    I give this event 3 out of 10 bags of popcorn

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    Post  zorobabel on Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:07 am

    Pretty major US build up in the last 3 days too, including 22 C-17 flights to the Middle East by the end of the day 1/1/2020. Early 1/2/2020 there were 5 C-17s over Europe heading to the region. No telling how many are in the air right now.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:17 am


    Orange Wonder 3 days ago:

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1212121026072592384

    ....Iran will be held fully responsible for lives lost, or damage incurred, at any of our facilities. They will pay a very BIG PRICE! This is not a Warning, it is a Threat. Happy New Year!



    Pentagon couple of minutes ago, I guess it's as official as it gets:

    https://twitter.com/GinaAHarkins/status/1212929066879332352/photo/1

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    Let's see how much noise Iran makes this time before calming down again



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    Post  Vann7 on Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:27 am

    crod wrote:Well that places Iran in a tight spot...words and bluster alone will tell everyone that you can kill such high value targets knowing Iran will not take any action.
    Interesting start to the year.

    No question...
    This is an open declaration of war on Iran... the question is what will be Iran response after this
    Unprovoked attack on its top military senior?   My bet is there will be many in the iran military
    that will demand a very devastating response to US military ,from targeting US base in Syria ,or IRAQ
    to even sink an american warship or a aircraft carrier..

    To better understand how close is US to provoke a war.. with IRAN , just yesterday saw a video
    of about a dozen of Iranian torpedo boats in formation following very closely a US aircraft carrier
    with what looked to be like 15km to 20km distance.. more or less.  Shocked  This like very dangerous
    developments.. because now Iran is chasing US warships at kill distance and it will be impossible for the aircraft
    carrier to survive an attack with a dozen of torpedo boats so close..  if IRAN choose to sink an American warship , when it pass through the closest zones in the hormus strait.. they can easily do it.. 15 km is not enough distance to maneuver an aircraft carrier and a full scale attack of combined airforce and torpedo boats..

    This is a conflict that US and Trump specifically will be the biggest loser of all.. and i will explain why...

    Iranians reasoning will be clouded now by their hate for US actions.. and this is means
    that they can behave like a bull of a crystal shop.. there is so many targets to hit for Iran in thezone..
    and Americans have so many bases... this are the reasons... that no matter who pushing more the other..
    even if American nuke Iran 10x times.. in 10x cities.. this will NOT take an inch of iranian territory.. they will not surrender.. Iran is a big nation.. is not Syria.. is 2 times IRAQ size.. and contrary to IRAQ ,that had no support from any nation.. Iran have Russian supersonic antiship missiles and chinese too..  it will also receive infinite logistics and real time positions of american troops.. so if iran sink just 1 aircraft carrier.. this will automatically
    make US and Trump the biggest loser ... because is not who punish more ,who wins.. but which nation image
    will be worse after the conflict ends... ?????  and losing an aircraft carrier ,over a conflict US provoked..
    and started because attacked iran first.. will be seen as a major embarrassment.. far more than the destruction
    of iranian nuclear reactor.. and if US use nukes ,it will justify iran to get them too.. so this will not end well
    in a long term.. trump will need the help of putin to negotiate with iran so they stop fighting them ,,a war US they started..

    iran can also close the hormus strait..  very easily with thousands of mines.. and this will send oil prices to heaven.. $200 -$300 ... and US dollar will go down...  Iran can bomb to hell Saudi Arabia oil fields. you saw how easily Iran target with a drone those fields.. this will mean a major crisis world wide.. and americans will be seen
    as the author of this conflict.. as the provocators..  americans dropping nukes on iran.. will not be seen as a
    "victory".   so US will try to hit iranian nuclear reactors.. something that they can do , to get something from the conflict.. that they could use as a victory..   but thing is that iran can undefintely close the hormus.. and if they
    have as many missiles they claim they can cause a lot of damage in US navies in the zone because iran will have a crystal clear knowledge of every movement of US navy and airforce.. and military bases.. this will provoke also an invasion on iraq.. to kick american forces there...  this is a long term war that US can't win...with just airstrikes.. whether using nukes or tomahawks.. they will have to kill millions of civilians in iran ,which will destroy US image in the world.. so is a lose /lose for Trump..  declaring war on iran.. is a war US and Israel can start.. but can they end it?   Iran is not the tiny island of japan.. and they will sacrifice every citizen ,before any
    surrender..

    That said ..because the attack was done on IRAQ + IRAN military , they united  can kick american small forces 12,000 forces from iraq.. and syria... and Trump will need a ground invasion on iraq and iran at same time ,at least twice as big as bush jr.  invasion on iraq . and this will only sink US economy...

    So my prediction is regardless if Trump use nukes or not.. he will soon realize he made a huge mistake
    because he will see ,he can't end the war .. don't have the money to send a massive ground invasion...
    will not have the support of europe or nato.. because they started the war on iran.. not the other way..
    and because germany and france interest where attacked by US ,in IRAN.. so most of europe will do nothing..
    and Russia and China can easily supply iran endlessly with real time intelligence ,missiles ,so it will be like
    a fight of a lion (USA) vs a thousands of bees (IRAN).. who will win ? lol1

    If Iranians have a plan of no retreat no matter the casualties ,they can effectively kick american troops from iraq and syria.. and US will have no way to declare a real victory in a war with iran , just using airforce and submarines ,without invading teheran and planting a the american flag there..  

    I really thing there is a very high chance probability , iran will retaliate and they will target US military in iraq and  passing in persian gulf...  and they will be unable to stop iran attacks.. ,because iran will become an unsinkable
    aircraft carrier.. and any war with iran will cost a lot of money to   US economy , and the worse part of it.. is that will not stop IRan from targeting them... Iran and Iraq will force US troops them to retreat abandon their bases..  from the range of their missiles... from IRaq and Syria and positions bombed in saudi arabia too.. and afganistan..  

    already US military + what is now today as NATO.. tried to win a war in a country that Russia and China
    was aiding the other side.. and this is what was the end result..   lol1

    https://www.bevinalexander.com/books/korea-first-war-we-lost.htm

    entire battalions of US and allies were encircled by china and crushed... and a couple of dozen
    of russian pilots leading and training the chinese airforce ,wiped the us airforce over north korea..

    as a bonus russians will be helping iran to intercept american ballistic missiles , so a tremendous experience
    that russian will get in intercepting a major war like scenario of us warships attacking iran.. the biggest losser
    in any war between US and IRAN will be the west.. because Russia and china can help iran grind american troops
    and american airforce as they did in the korean war.. so in a war between us and iran.. is not who kills more people who win.. but who stay..and who leaves? and americans forces will be pressure by american people to leave iran ,iraq and syria... iran can't go anywhere is their place... so in medium term ,us forces will have to leave the middle east to avoid their bases and warships being targeted.. iran can also target US warships in the red sea.. thanks to their position in Yemen.. so definitively.. a fight against Iran in the zone .is like fighting
    a thousand of bees.. there is too many and they are in their place. while you are only the intruder in their zone..so eventually you leave. without a full scale ground invasion , bigger size of iraq war.. it will be impossible to stop Iran capabilities to fight and hit US positions in middle east.. Iran even if got more punished ,can claim
    victory if Force American troops to leave syria and iraq.. and sink a couple of warships of them..
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    Post  crod on Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:50 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    crod wrote:Well that places Iran in a tight spot...words and bluster alone will tell everyone that you can kill such high value targets knowing Iran will not take any action.
    Interesting start to the year.

    Tight spot indeed but I doubt anything will come of it

    Iran was getting slapped before and huffed and puffed but ultimately did nothing

    Some technicals may launch some rockets and some political activists might detonate themselves but nothing else will happen, things always calm down quickly with Iran

    I give this event 3 out of 10 bags of popcorn

    Such a popular figure you'd have to think there'll be enormous internal pressure for them to respond, not doing anything will piss their pissed off people even further.
    Though i tend to lean with your thoughts on this too however...you never know though i guess, they might surprise us????
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    Post  zorobabel on Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:07 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    crod wrote:Well that places Iran in a tight spot...words and bluster alone will tell everyone that you can kill such high value targets knowing Iran will not take any action.
    Interesting start to the year.

    No question...
    This is an open declaration of war on Iran... the question is what will be Iran response after this
    Unprovoked attack on its top military senior?   My bet is there will be many in the iran military
    that will demand a very devastating response to US military ,from targeting US base in Syria ,or IRAQ
    to even sink an american warship or a aircraft carrier..

    To better understand how close is US to provoke a war.. with IRAN , just yesterday saw a video
    of about a dozen of Iranian torpedo boats in formation following very closely a US aircraft carrier
    with what looked to be like 15km to 20km distance.. more or less.  Shocked  This like very dangerous
    developments.. because now Iran is chasing US warships at kill distance and it will be impossible for the aircraft
    carrier to survive an attack with a dozen of torpedo boats so close..  if IRAN choose to sink an American warship , when it pass through the closest zones in the hormus strait.. they can easily do it.. 15 km is not enough distance to maneuver an aircraft carrier and a full scale attack of combined airforce and torpedo boats..

    This is a conflict that US and Trump specifically will be the biggest loser of all.. and i will explain why...

    Iranians reasoning will be clouded now by their hate for US actions.. and this is means
    that they can behave like a bull of a crystal shop.. there is so many targets to hit for Iran in thezone..
    and Americans have so many bases... this are the reasons... that no matter who pushing more the other..
    even if American nuke Iran 10x times.. in 10x cities.. this will NOT take an inch of iranian territory.. they will not surrender.. Iran is a big nation.. is not Syria.. is 2 times IRAQ size.. and contrary to IRAQ ,that had no support from any nation.. Iran have Russian supersonic antiship missiles and chinese too..  it will also receive infinite logistics and real time positions of american troops.. so if iran sink just 1 aircraft carrier.. this will automatically
    make US and Trump the biggest loser ... because is not who punish more ,who wins.. but which nation image
    will be worse after the conflict ends... ?????  

    iran can also close the hormus strait..  very easily with thousands of mines.. and this will send oil prices to heaven.. $200 -$300 ... and US dollar will go down...  Iran can bomb to hell Saudi Arabia oil fields. you saw how easily Iran target with a drone those fields.. this will mean a major crisis world wide.. and americans will be seen
    as the author of this conflict.. as the provocators..  americans dropping nukes on iran.. will not be seen as a
    "victory".   so US will try to hit iranian nuclear reactors.. something that they can do , to get something from the conflict.. that they could use as a victory..   but thing is that iran can undefintely close the hormus.. and if they
    have as many missiles they claim they can cause a lot of damage in US navies in the zone because iran will have a crystal clear knowledge of every movement of US navy and airforce.. and military bases.. this will provoke also an invasion on iraq.. to kick american forces there...  this is a long term war that US can't win...with just airstrikes.. whether using nukes or tomahawks.. they will have to kill millions of civilians in iran ,which will destroy US image in the world.. so is a lose /lose for Trump..  declaring war on iran.. is a war US and Israel can start.. but can they end it?   Iran is not the tiny island of japan.. and they will sacrifice every citizen ,before any
    surrender..

    That said ..because the attack was done on IRAQ + IRAN military , they united  can kick american small forces 12,000 forces from iraq.. and syria... and Trump will need a ground invasion on iraq and iran at same time ,at least twice as big as bush jr.  invasion on iraq . and this will only sink US economy...

    So my prediction is regardless if Trump use nukes or not.. he will soon realize he made a huge mistake
    because he will see ,he can't end the war .. don't have the money to send a massive ground invasion...
    will not have the support of europe or nato.. because they started the war on iran.. not the other way..
    and because germany and france interest where attacked by US ,in IRAN.. so most of europe will do nothing..
    and Russia and China can easily supply iran endlessly with real time intelligence ,missiles ,so it will be like
    a fight of a lion (USA) vs a thousands of bees (IRAN).. who will win ? lol1

    If Iranians have a plan of no retreat no matter the casualties ,they can effectively kick american troops from iraq and syria.. and US will have no way to declare a real victory in a war with iran , just using airforce and submarines ,without invading teheran and planting a the american flag there..  

    I really thing there is a very high chance probability , iran will retaliate and they will target US military in iraq and  passing in persian gulf...  and they will be unable to stop iran attacks.. ,because iran will become an unsinkable
    aircraft carrier.. and any war with iran will cost a lot of money to   US economy , and the worse part of it.. is that will not stop IRan from targeting them... Iran and Iraq will force US troops them to retreat abandon their bases..  from the range of their missiles... from IRaq and Syria and positions bombed in saudi arabia too.. and afganistan..  

    already US military + what is now today as NATO.. tried to win a war in a country that Russia and China
    was aiding the other side.. and this is what was the end result..   lol1

    https://www.bevinalexander.com/books/korea-first-war-we-lost.htm

    entire battalions of US and allies were encircled by china and crushed... and a couple of dozen
    of russian pilots leading and training the chinese airforce ,wiped the us airforce over north korea..

    as a bonus russians will be helping iran to intercept american ballistic missiles , so a tremendous experience
    that russian will get in intercepting a major war like scenario of us warships attacking iran.. the biggest losser
    in any war between US and IRAN will be the west.. because Russia and china can help iran grind american troops
    and american airforce as they did in the korean war..



    This is an easy bet for Trump. If Iran doesn't retaliate significantly, he comes out the victor. If Iran does, he goes into an election at war. US presidents are re-elected during war years.
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    Post  ATLASCUB on Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:13 am

    Big time escalation. Not even taking out the head of CentCom would equate in Iranian terms.

    We'll see what the history books write of this. I'll say this, weakass Rouhani is on a tight spot. In these times you need a war president, not a western leaning appeaser. They do market well themselves so the people like them. Which is why the Iranian deep state has tolerated him this far. He ain't a traitor, that's at least something.

    Edit: Had a feeling Miley would be trouble. Dunford will be missed by some.
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    Post  crod on Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:21 am

    Has Russia made any comment yet?
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    Post  nomadski on Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:49 am


    My condolence to brave General 's family and all Iranian people. This is certainly the start of war with America. In one sense it is better for Iran, that war started sooner than later. Iran then not weakened by blockade and internal strife. Able to use all it' s power. Now in my view two steps are important :

    ( 1 ) launch of much delayed sattelite and carry out an atmospheric Nuke test.

    ( 2) Stike all American forces with full force.

    May God save you all.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:51 am

    crod wrote:Has Russia made any comment yet?

    No and I doubt they will.

    The best thing for Iran to do is nothing, killing this guy accomplished nothing for us. There was no single benefit from killing him, his replacement will just keep the process rolling. In the end, he was one guy who can and will be replaced.

    It was a stupid decision by Trump, In terms of tactical or strategic benefit. He clearly didn't think this through or was too stupid to see in the long term this was a terrible idea. It really helps Iran in great ways.

    All he has done is.

    1. Pushed Iran more towards nukes

    2. Unified their political base

    3. Made the jobs of guys like me 20x harder

    Tons of other problems.

    There really was no need for an escalation of this nature, this is what happens when a politician is given to much free reign. They make dumb mistakes.
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:07 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    crod wrote:Has Russia made any comment yet?

    No and I doubt they will.

    The best thing for Iran to do is nothing, killing this guy accomplished nothing for us. There was no single benefit from killing him, his replacement will just keep the process rolling. In the end, he was one guy who can and will be replaced.

    It was a stupid decision by Trump, In terms of tactical or strategic benefit. He clearly didn't think this through or was too stupid to see in the long term this was a terrible idea. It really helps Iran in great ways.

    All he has done is.

    1. Pushed Iran more towards nukes

    2. Unified their political base

    3. Made the jobs of guys like me 20x harder

    Tons of other problems.

    There really was no need for an escalation of this nature, this is what happens when a politician is given to much free reign. They make dumb mistakes.

    You can't blame it all on Trump. This was an action obviously recommended most strongly to him by your senior officers among others.

    They are the ones who made whatever you are doing harder and almost certainly brought the needless deaths of many.

    All involved in that decision have made the World a more dangerous place. Bastards all of them.
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:10 am

    zorobabel wrote:
    crod wrote:Well that places Iran in a tight spot...words and bluster alone will tell everyone that you can kill such high value targets knowing Iran will not take any action.
    Interesting start to the year.
    Indeed. Also killed was a deputy leader of Hezbollah Lebanon.
    No longer claimed.
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:13 am


    Elijah J. Magnier
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    The US bombed Hashd al-Shaabi (5) positions on the borders with Syria, positions aiming to control the movement of ISIS.

    US assassinated Hashd al-Shaabi commander Abu Mahdi and Iran comdr QassemSoleimani, both leaders of anti-ISIS war.

    What the US is telling us?

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:34 am

    You can't blame it all on Trump. This was an action obviously recommended most strongly to him by your senior officers among others.

    Lets face it... the way US intel services have acted and reacted since the orange one was elected.... they clearly wanted Hilary and don't want the guy who wants to bring US forces home.

    Of course you can't expect your opponents to show restraint when you are acting like this... this will make conflicts in the region that the US is supporting rather more expensive... most contractors will have higher premiums to pay and likely will want bigger bonuses and better pay...

    The lucky thing for Iran is that there are so many American forces in the region they can attack in response they are really spoiled for choice... and the orange one is sending more targets... sorry troops... into the firing line.

    That is going to make things better...

    For Iran it will be handy because if anyone says let just give them what they want they can point to this and say it wont matter what we do... they prefer ISIS terrorists to Iranians...

    There really was no need for an escalation of this nature, this is what happens when a politician is given to much free reign. They make dumb mistakes.

    To be fair the Pentagon is full of idiots who don't know what they are doing... they are just biding their time till they get that cushy job at Boeing or General Dynamics and make some real money.
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    Post  Isos on Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:37 am

    US made a big mistake. They started killing politics and even Russians politics and chinese must be worried right now. If I was a US top general or a secretary of state I wouldn't sleep and look behind my back 24/7. There will be consequencies and not only from iranian because they started something they should have never.
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:51 am

    GarryB wrote:

    Lets face it... the way US intel services have acted and reacted since the orange one was elected.... they clearly wanted Hilary and don't want the guy who wants to bring US forces home.


    This is an election year in which the last thing that Trump wants is a war. It would reduce his chances of winning. Strange coincidence with this event.
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    Post  Isos on Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:59 am

    I would also add they just accelerated nuclear programs of both Iran and North Korea.

    Trump is clearly the puppet of Clinton's deep state.

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