US-Iran standoff 2019-

nomadski wrote:@ siegsoloyov

No . To stop the war . Not start it . As a symbolic  retaliatory move  AFTER  the yanks start shock and awe or fire and fury. Some monument , can be taken out in big city . When it is closed to public . Using radar guided like Pershing . But this time it is long range . No casualties . Followed by nuke test on TV , in Iranian desert . Or over Indian  ocean . War will quickly stop . Millions of lives saved , including yank life .

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_monuments_in_the_United_States


Then TV shows nice picture in cinemascope and surround  sound .

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-1JFKU9fJfM

Iran does not need to target the US homeland. That is starting WWIII

It needs to sink a couple of US aircraft carriers and the mighty yanquis will
change their tune. That is if they are still sane. If they go for a full extermination of Iran response, then that is leading to WWIII anyway. In this
case the joy of total war should be brought to the US.

I thought  about this problem of targeting  US mainland . Iran can not realistically  target mainland in  any significant  way , bar one . A psychological operation . Of hitting some landmarks.  By conventional weapon . This will have large political results . By mobilizing  public . Against war . If attack is small . And comes after a shock and awe operation against Iran . Then I believe the public in America will come to  " understand " this attack . . As justified revenge .  I tend to agree that , targets in the region should be hit first . But if war continiue and yanks hit civilian targets ( this , they will do )  , then it is justified .

No . To stop the war . Not start it . As a symbolic  retaliatory move  AFTER  the yanks start shock and awe or fire and fury. Some monument , can be taken out in big city . When it is closed to public . Using radar guided like Pershing . But this time it is long range . No casualties . Followed by nuke test on TV , in Iranian desert . Or over Indian  ocean . War will quickly stop . Millions of lives saved , including yank life .

Northern Iran is pro Russia. Southern Iran is pro US. In the case of an American invasion / 5th element civil war, Iran would be partitioned into two countries, a pro Russia northern Iran and a pro US southern Iran, just like how Ukraine was partitioned, Syria was partitioned, Georgia was partitioned, Moldova was partitioned. The US plan is to surround Russia with threats and divert Russia military all over the place and weaken Russia defenses.

Nothing but insanity if Iran sinks a carrier, it's war plain and SIMPLE.

AlfaT8 wrote:Well this took a strange turn, where's Pinto when you need him.

Agree with everything you said . The only difference in my thinking is TIMING . I think these severe attacks should come as retaliatory response , in a gradual , step by step process . Not a first strike by WMD . I have no problem with biological weapons , as adjunct or alternative to nukes . If they are easier to mass produce and launch with existing rockets . The key again is to display such warhead . In right time to deter. Rather than use them , as the yanks did against Iran . But then again payback time ......

AlfaT8 wrote:Well this took a strange turn, where's Pinto when you need him.

"We have a longstanding defence relationship with Russia which we cannot wish away," a source said.

Russia should deploy armed forces to Iran and set up military bases in southern Iran.

Tsavo Lion wrote:

Russia should deploy armed forces to Iran and set up military bases in southern Iran.

They don't have enough troops for that to make a difference, & it's against their constitution- revising it will itself cause more internal strife.  If the population is anti-regime &/ pro-American there, it'll be like the Soviet experience in Afghanistan & French/American in S. Vietnam.

CNN wrote:London (CNN Business)US sanctions have forced a leading purchaser of Iranian crude exports to buy more oil from Saudi Arabia and the United States.
Sanjiv Singh, head of state-run refiner Indian Oil Corporation, told CNN Business that "whatever supplies were coming from Iran, they were well distributed amongst other countries."
Iran had been the third largest supplier of crude to India, which imports huge amounts of energy to fuel its growing economy. Iraq and Saudi Arabia were the only countries to export more to India.

But India was forced to turn to other sources after the Trump administration imposed sanctions on Iranian oil exports.
India was one of only eight countries granted a waiver that allowed it to keep buying oil from Tehran, but that reprieve expired on May 2.
While India had said it would only recognize sanctions imposed by the United Nations, the country's petroleum minister said in April that it would source "additional supplies from other major oil producing countries."

A spokesperson for India's Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas confirmed to CNN Business on Wednesday that the country has now ceased all imports of oil from Iran.
Singh said on Wednesday that Indian Oil "wanted as many suppliers as possible" and that cutting off Iranian oil was a "collective decision" made with input from the government.
"I'm sure it was in the interest of the country at the moment," he added.

Relations between India and the United States have soured recently over trade, and New Delhi is likely to be wary about further upsetting its biggest export market.
Other countries including Turkey have reportedly stopped oil imports from Iran, but the world's biggest buyer, China, is ignoring the US sanctions.

China, which is engaged in a trade war with America, purchased $585 million worth of crude from Iran in May, according to Iran's semi-official Tasnim news agency, and Tehran expects to export even more to China in June.

US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who is currently on a visit to India, said the sanctions were aimed at countering what he called Iran's "terror regime."
"I think there is a shared understanding of threat and a common purpose to ensure to keep energy at the right price and deter this threat," he told reporters in New Delhi on Wednesday.
India's foreign minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar said that Pompeo was "very receptive" to India's concerns about global energy supplies.

"He understands that this is today the world's fifth largest economy, which imports 85% of its energy ... he gets what our interests are," Jaishankar added.
Singh said India is likely to become more even reliant on other countries for its energy needs.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/26/business/indian-oil-us-iran-sanctions/index.html

Iran doesn't own the transit rights to the Hormuz straight if it blocks that off it's intruding on other countries sovereign waters which gives anyone rights to attack the blockade.

The EU, Nor Russia or China will stand for Iran blocking that much oil traffic.

The Hormuz straight isn't fully Iran's doing this gives countries right to attack them.

Well.... from what i have seen, the U.S has only requested Indian support right now, i don't know whether India really gave their support yet.
That's why i wanted more info from our guy on the ground, Pinto.

You cannot declare a training exercise in the Hormuz straight.

Iran Sinks any ships with anti-ship missiles, they sign their death warrant has a government.

Do not talk to me about matters you do not understand Garry.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Do not talk to me about matters you do not understand Garry.