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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jun 12, 2020 7:48 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    It's amazing what person can accomplish when he makes an effort to behave like mature adult
    Did he mention anything useful in that article (Angara, Soyuz-5, PTK-NP) or was it just usual pissing contest?
    Nothing new, but he did say that when S7 relocated the Sea Launch platform and control ship to Russia, US gov representatives openly stated how they would never allow the rise of a Russian competitor to Space X, and that they gutted the Sea Launch infrastructure of its launch hardware before it was handed over (and that restoration of the asset will be long and expensive).

    S7 is already selling SeaLaunch to Rosatom, removed equipment and pandemic made them decide to ditch non-essential assets (it would also need completely new port infrastructure built from scratch)

    I don't know if they are continuing with space launch segment, they probably do but with standard launchpads (they should have done so from the get go)

    Like I said, any space launch market segment Russia ever had was just a pittance thrown to them by USA to make Russians stop developing space assets and to make them feel good about their failures, the moment there was any actual money to be made there it all went back home where it belongs

    Russia needs to stop wasting time on foreign market bullshit and focus on it's own projects


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    Post  Singular_Transform on Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:37 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    It's amazing what person can accomplish when he makes an effort to behave like mature adult
    Did he mention anything useful in that article (Angara, Soyuz-5, PTK-NP) or was it just usual pissing contest?
    Nothing new, but he did say that when S7 relocated the Sea Launch platform and control ship to Russia, US gov representatives openly stated how they would never allow the rise of a Russian competitor to Space X, and that they gutted the Sea Launch infrastructure of its launch hardware before it was handed over (and that restoration of the asset will be long and expensive).  

    S7 is already selling SeaLaunch to Rosatom, removed equipment and pandemic made them decide to ditch non-essential assets (it would also need completely new port infrastructure built from scratch)

    I don't know if they are continuing with space launch segment, they probably do but with standard launchpads (they should have done so from the get go)

    Like I said, any space launch market segment Russia ever had was just a pittance thrown to them by USA to make Russians stop developing space assets and to make them feel good about their failures, the moment there was any actual money to be made there it all went back home where it belongs

    Russia needs to stop wasting time on foreign market bullshit and focus on it's own projects



    The whole sea launch was a disaster for ukraine and russia, and free money for the boeing.

    They had a contract that guranteed to the boieng a pile of money in every possible scennario.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:30 am

    If they wanted to make sea launch independent of ukraine and the west they probably would have had to have stripped it down anyway.

    Perhaps an opportunity to upgrade with all Russian equipment.

    Or if it is not worth it they have a floating platform and mothership... they could probably use it for ocean research or something...

    Maybe a mobile GLONASS repeater station that can be moved around and used to improve accuracy in places where land based alternatives are not possible like off the coast of the US or middle of the Atlantic.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:56 pm

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/133376/

    The new Russian ion engine has successfully passed fire tests

    Roscosmos specialists have successfully completed fire-docking tests of the new ID-200 KR ion engine, which is being developed At the center named after him. Keldysh's. This is reported by the press service of the state Corporation.

    The principle of operation of ion engines is based on the fact that they ionize gas (mainly inert gases are used — xenon, argon, and so on) and accelerate it using an electric field. These engines are very efficient: they consume relatively little fuel, while accelerating to fairly high speeds. At the same time, they require quite a lot of energy to disperse ions, so such engines are now mainly used to control artificial satellites and small spacecraft.

    The ID-200 KR engine is part of the ID-200 series, which is being developed at the IMC Center. Keldysh's. Its power is up to 3 kW, tests have shown that the engine can develop a specific thrust of up to 4500 s. For comparison, the specific thrust of solid-fuel rocket engines reaches 250 s, engines with a mixture of liquid oxygen and hydrogen-450 s.

    During the tests, the developers worked out the engine control algorithms. Specialists of the center plan to use the components of the electric rocket propulsion system as part of geostationary spacecraft.

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    Post  Singular_Transform on Thu Jun 18, 2020 6:52 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/133376/

    The new Russian ion engine has successfully passed fire tests

    Roscosmos specialists have successfully completed fire-docking tests of the new ID-200 KR ion engine, which is being developed At the center named after him. Keldysh's. This is reported by the press service of the state Corporation.

    The principle of operation of ion engines is based on the fact that they ionize gas (mainly inert gases are used — xenon, argon, and so on) and accelerate it using an electric field. These engines are very efficient: they consume relatively little fuel, while accelerating to fairly high speeds. At the same time, they require quite a lot of energy to disperse ions, so such engines are now mainly used to control artificial satellites and small spacecraft.

    The ID-200 KR engine is part of the ID-200 series, which is being developed at the IMC Center. Keldysh's. Its power is up to 3 kW, tests have shown that the engine can develop a specific thrust of up to 4500 s. For comparison, the specific thrust of solid-fuel rocket engines reaches 250 s, engines with a mixture of liquid oxygen and hydrogen-450 s.

    During the tests, the developers worked out the engine control algorithms. Specialists of the center plan to use the components of the electric rocket propulsion system as part of geostationary spacecraft.


    Soviets using ion engines for half century.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:15 pm

    Rogozin's adviser was detained on suspicion of high treason


    The press service of the state Corporation "Roscosmos" reports that today the investigative authorities detained the Adviser to the General Director of the state Corporation "Roscosmos" Safronov I. I.

    Safronov I. I. was charged under article 275 of the criminal code of the Russian Federation. At the moment, investigative measures are being carried out. The state Corporation "Roscosmos" provides all possible assistance to the investigative authorities.

    The detention of I. I. Safronov does not concern his current work at the state Corporation "Roscosmos".

    https://www.roscosmos.ru/28777/
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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:16 pm

    Since Roscosmos is also holding various industries of strategic missile development, I wonder how much was leaked and or sold off?

    Does anyone have details to what he done?
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    Post  Isos on Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:35 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Since Roscosmos is also holding various industries of strategic missile development, I wonder how much was leaked and or sold off?

    Does anyone have details to what he done?

    They said it wasn't related to its work there. Some said it's because he revealed the su35 contract with Egypt and now US are threatening Egypt with CAATSA sanctions.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:44 pm

    Ah, I guess that makes sense.

    But Egypt was gonna face that anyway cause the US would figure it out as soon as Su-35's would be flying.

    I wonder how Egypt is taking the threats from US?
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    Post  Isos on Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:45 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Ah, I guess that makes sense.

    But Egypt was gonna face that anyway cause the US would figure it out as soon as Su-35's would be flying.

    I wonder how Egypt is taking the threats from US?

    It's only speculation. Nothing official. I don't really beleive they arrested him over that because it's not easy to keep secret delivery of su35. US monitor their production anyway and probably know who bought them. Russians officially said they were selling some to a ME country years ago.

    The guy had traveled with Putin and was influent. We won't really know the real reason for a while.
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    Post  dino00 on Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:19 pm

    If they only arrest him it's very strange, he couldn't be working alone.
    But the case looks a small thing, and maybe more political than other thing.
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    Post  dino00 on Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:48 pm

    Ivan Safronov suspected of transmitting data to Czech intelligence

    His lawyers argue that the case of an adviser to the head of Roskosmos concerns his journalistic activities


    " Safronov’s case concerns the transfer of military-technical information about Russian arms supplies to the Middle East and Africa to Czech special services in 2017," he said.
    ...

    Safronov’s defense said that the case against him already totals seven volumes, although it was only instituted on July 6.

    https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/8908373

    I wouldn't be surprised if Rogozin hired him just for FSB could arrest him without him being a journalist...

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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:04 pm

    dino00 wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if Rogozin hired him just for FSB could arrest him without him being a journalist...

    I wouldn't be surprised if Rogozin hired him because he is fat incompetent moron

    He hired a known liberal with a history of publishing sensitive info, junior probably told him that Moon landings were faked and he immediately got hired

    Vetting your personnel is too complicated for institution ran by His Majesty the Trampoline Man


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    Post  Isos on Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:40 pm

    Western financed journalist are already manifastating in front of FSB for another "political arrest" while they don't even know why he was arrested.

    Parasits. Only know how to destroy countries.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:21 am

    The way the western media is so predicable it is a wonder they expect anyone to listen to them any more... I know I don't.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:42 am

    It's part of a more widespread crackdown on "5th column" in general and including the associated media...Kommersant, Vedomosti, they're all howling at the moment

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    Post  kvs on Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:17 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/133376/

    The new Russian ion engine has successfully passed fire tests

    Roscosmos specialists have successfully completed fire-docking tests of the new ID-200 KR ion engine, which is being developed At the center named after him. Keldysh's. This is reported by the press service of the state Corporation.

    The principle of operation of ion engines is based on the fact that they ionize gas (mainly inert gases are used — xenon, argon, and so on) and accelerate it using an electric field. These engines are very efficient: they consume relatively little fuel, while accelerating to fairly high speeds. At the same time, they require quite a lot of energy to disperse ions, so such engines are now mainly used to control artificial satellites and small spacecraft.

    The ID-200 KR engine is part of the ID-200 series, which is being developed at the IMC Center. Keldysh's. Its power is up to 3 kW, tests have shown that the engine can develop a specific thrust of up to 4500 s. For comparison, the specific thrust of solid-fuel rocket engines reaches 250 s, engines with a mixture of liquid oxygen and hydrogen-450 s.

    During the tests, the developers worked out the engine control algorithms. Specialists of the center plan to use the components of the electric rocket propulsion system as part of geostationary spacecraft.


    For some of the trolls on this board, this isn't just another ion engine.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:18 pm

    Isos wrote:Western financed journalist are already manifastating in front of FSB for another "political arrest" while they don't even know why he was arrested.

    Parasits. Only know how to destroy countries.

    What about Assange? Journalism does not get special privileges in the case of state secrets and laws designed to protect them.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:05 am

    For some of the trolls on this board, this isn't just another ion engine.

    Running for an hour and 15 minutes is pretty impressive... especially compared with the conventional rocket at a little over 4 minutes and Hydrogen Oxygen rocket at 7 minutes and 30 seconds...

    What about Assange? Journalism does not get special privileges in the case of state secrets and laws designed to protect them.

    They are consistent... release Russian or Chinese or Iranian secrets and you are a hero... release ours and you are a war criminal traitor who should be shot... the real problem is that most reporters are so fucking stupid they don't realise a slight change in who is the good guys and who are the bad guys can leave them on the wrong side of that line... for a long time the Taleban were the successors to the Muj who heroically fought off the Soviets, but then overnight they became the bad guys... and you had to too...
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    Post  kvs on Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:55 am

    GarryB wrote:
    For some of the trolls on this board, this isn't just another ion engine.

    Running for an hour and 15 minutes is pretty impressive... especially compared with the conventional rocket at a little over 4 minutes and Hydrogen Oxygen rocket at  7 minutes and 30 seconds...

    What about Assange? Journalism does not get special privileges in the case of state secrets and laws designed to protect them.

    They are consistent... release Russian or Chinese or Iranian secrets and you are a hero... release ours and you are a war criminal traitor who should be shot... the real problem is that most reporters are so fucking stupid they don't realise a slight change in who is the good guys and who are the bad guys can leave them on the wrong side of that line... for a long time the Taleban were the successors to the Muj who heroically fought off the Soviets, but then overnight they became the bad guys... and you had to too...

    The annoying thing is that around the world being pro-west appears to be equivalent to being a traitor. This particular clown likely was selling his
    services every chance he could in order to stick it to Putin and to the "bydlo" that voted for him. I wonder why these scumbags don't just pack
    their bags and move to their vaunted western utopia.

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    Post  x_54_u43 on Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:12 pm

    kvs wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/133376/

    The new Russian ion engine has successfully passed fire tests

    Roscosmos specialists have successfully completed fire-docking tests of the new ID-200 KR ion engine, which is being developed At the center named after him. Keldysh's. This is reported by the press service of the state Corporation.

    The principle of operation of ion engines is based on the fact that they ionize gas (mainly inert gases are used — xenon, argon, and so on) and accelerate it using an electric field. These engines are very efficient: they consume relatively little fuel, while accelerating to fairly high speeds. At the same time, they require quite a lot of energy to disperse ions, so such engines are now mainly used to control artificial satellites and small spacecraft.

    The ID-200 KR engine is part of the ID-200 series, which is being developed at the IMC Center. Keldysh's. Its power is up to 3 kW, tests have shown that the engine can develop a specific thrust of up to 4500 s. For comparison, the specific thrust of solid-fuel rocket engines reaches 250 s, engines with a mixture of liquid oxygen and hydrogen-450 s.

    During the tests, the developers worked out the engine control algorithms. Specialists of the center plan to use the components of the electric rocket propulsion system as part of geostationary spacecraft.


    For some of the trolls on this board, this isn't just another ion engine.

    What's the new thing?
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    Post  kvs on Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:04 pm

    The ID-200 KR has a specific impulse of 4500 s for a power rating of 3 kW. By contrast, the NASA NEXT thruster has
    a specific impulse of 4190 s for a power rating of 6.9 kW. The NASA NSTAR has a specific impulse of 3120 s for a
    power rating of 2.3 kW. So clearly the ID-200 is more efficient than both NASA designs. The NEXT achieves its
    specific impulse thanks to more power. The ID-200 should be compared to the NSTAR to give an idea of the
    efficiency gain.

    So the ID-200 KR can do more with less power.

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    Post  Isos on Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:42 pm


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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:08 pm

    If they are so upset about Russia testing weapons in space why don't they sign the space weapon test ban treaty?

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    Post  Viktor on Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:03 pm

    GarryB wrote:If they are so upset about Russia testing weapons in space why don't they sign the space weapon test ban treaty?

    Because US thinks it can win and spam is to provide thinking frame for the masses that would to the counter by Russia&China "why dont you sign the the space weapon test ban

    treaty" produce result to them in the form of "obvious argument" - "because evil cheats" !

    That is why Pompeo tounts "we are fundamentally force of good"

    So now US administration gets a free pass in being offensive to China in its try to submit it and if they fail they will hide behind the people by means "evil are after us - all ("freedom

    fighters or so"Smile unite" )

    China on the other hand like a man passing peacefully throughout the street minding its own business who suddenly gets stuck by for God knows what reason emotional attachment

    of the nearby lunatic now in awe watches idiocracy while by thinking trying to figure out how far can this situation evolve and why on Earth me Smile






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