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    Post  Big_Gazza on Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:08 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Rogozin says he is working on two new spaceships, five new rockets and a new space station but other than his word as have nothing else so something with both sources and Rogozin-free would be a welcome change of pace

    Much of the problem is that Russia is working to rebuild her space capabilities from the ground up, and these are long term programs running in parallel.  Its a bit like Sarmat, Avangard, Burevestnik, Poseidon, S-500, PAK DA etc etc. You won't see much of anything but they are real systems and will make an appearance when ready and not before.

    Specifically, Russia is working on serial production of Angara modules, Soyuz-5, SHLV prelim design, Orel lunar transport, nuclear drive system and cosmodrome developments as well as a number of science and planetary probes and ongoing support for ISS. Keep in mind that their nominal budget is less than ESA, and that by comparison, the combined efforts of the Euro-peons are quite frankly a joke.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:02 am

    Funny how this piece of news went completely unnoticed on this forum, we are usually quite prompt and punctual... Oh well...

    Possibly because it is not very important... the US has re-established a capacity that it lost... big deal...

    Mister Jim Bridenstine was gracious enough to offer Roskosmos to continue joint missions to ISS by using mixed crews on both Dragon and Soyuz instead of buying seats like before

    Why would the Russians risk their crews on something that has had so many failures and so few successes... for goodness sake their escape system failed during testing and destroyed the module. In comparison the Russian system was given a live test with real crew on board and worked perfectly.

    Why would the Russian administration want to risk its people for the egos of the US?

    Then why are they going with agreements now?

    It is cheaper to cooperate for now... which is exactly why the US are interested in cooperation.

    The US has already said they wont continue funding for the ISS for very much longer and intend to build their own new replacement so they can conduct military experiments without the Russians being involved...

    For a proud nation that don't need no NASA they do seem to be grovelling a lot

    What grovelling?

    This was one successful launch.... even a faulty design can manage that... they haven't even landed yet...

    Apparently there is because they keep bending over backwards to cut down launch costs not because they want to commit cheaper for themselves but because they are still chasing that market segment that was thrown to them as a pittance during 90' but which was never theirs to begin with and which they will never be getting back

    They can't compete with subsidised American companies, but there are plenty of customers that America wont work with... and of course houses of cards are not very stable anyway... so this competition is likely temporary...

    He is incompetent semiliterate blowhard moron who ended up running a space program because Roskosmos became dumping ground for idiots

    So if the job is so unimportant why are you so upset about it?

    Even an idiot can do the right thing sometimes... even if by accident... Bush jnr got re elected...

    This meme should be buried already

    They never had to use them

    They had option of using them among others which they took advantage of

    They still have that option but they always prefer their own and predominantly launch using their own

    They got direct orders from McCain to stop buying Russian engines and to create alternatives... at the very least they should have had previously used American rocket engines to use again... yet they keep using Russian rockets... and still do...

    Russia is yet to accomplish that achievement, they are still just leeching off Soviet accomplishments

    They use something that works and is reliable and has been repeatedly upgraded during its operational life time... and they have replacements, but they don't have a need to rush things in to use like the US does because their tried and trusted remains tried and trusted... unlike the US Space Shuttle with no emergency escape system for landing or taking off... (Buran had an ejectable module in case of a problem during launch... if the Challenger was a Buran its crew would have survived)

    Compared to Russian taxpayers who are yet to see any results

    Russias continued presence on the ISS is what they see... with all this anti Russia BS from the US don't you think banning Russia from the ISS would be an option if they didn't need Russian rockets to get there?

    With lack of competition they became complacent.

    To be fair, Putin has not really been making serious demands on them so they are taking a sensible more measured approach.

    Ford Class, Zumwalt Class, LCS class, Comanche helicopter, F-35 cockup supreme, F-22 disaster, If they made their rockets like they run their other programmes there would be a lot more dead Astronauts than there are... but their pressure so far is to just get back to a state they were 10 years ago in being able to get crew up to the ISS and back again. It is pathetic they got themselves into this situation in the first place and they can't blame lack of funding because if anything they are over funded... but they are also over spending too.

    It also seems Russia's interest is more in satellite launches, drones (once again, satellites) and space based observation. I think space exploration seems to be low on their list and that may have more to do with issues that existed prior to Rogozin and need to streamline Roscosmos assets.

    Their first priority was GLONASS and other military satellites like Legenda replacements etc etc... Star Trek is US bullshit.

    Did Russians really think that people will forget them shooting their big dumb mouths off?

    Dumb crap you say and do will ALWAYS come back to bite you on the ass

    Also as you can see in the article it's absolute race to the bottom among Russians on who will demonstrate more pathetic butthurt lubricated will copious amounts of sour grape juice

    The trampoline worked this time and they haven't landed yet... I think it is a little early to declare victory just yet.

    I don't want to see anyone die but that sort of shit is just asking for trouble...

    Their trampoline is working to start with... but is that net properly tied down and will it work when needed...

    Remember this is the guy that wanted to build submarines to get children out of a cave network and when told by someone who had been in the cave network that it would not work called them a paedophile....

    But you call Rogozin names...   Rolling Eyes

    The levels of pathetic butthurt are off the charts today, I knew it would be good but even I wasn't expecting mental gymnastics of this magnitude ("our young cosmonauts" part had me in stitches) lol1

    Here, maybe this ever so appropriate song will act as a balm for sore ego of Trampoline Man and his clown car crew:

    Dude... get some perspective.... they just did what Russia has been doing even during economic crisis's... they are acting like they cured cancer for fucks sake...

    The rocket engine they used will be more expensive because it is designed to be reused... by their own figures half the time they have not been able to reuse the rocket... which makes it more expensive than a disposable rocket.

    If you are reloading small arms ammo you have to be able to reuse the brass case quite a few times before it becomes cost effective compared with just buying commercial ammo... brass ammo cases are expensive so you only save money if they can be reused but with a 50% failure rate it is not cheaper it is much more expensive even when you don't include your time at minimum wage. Cheaper to buy factory made ammo.

    But as said, this should light a fire under Roscosmos ass.

    Why. What are they doing wrong?

    America now has a new man rated rocket finally after ten years of not having one because they were idiots because they didn't have any alternative even planned despite knowing the Space Shuttle was too expensive to use as a shuttle to a space station... Russia has a man rated rocket and a replacement in development.... there is no rush... Russia doesn't need to risk lives like the US is to get back to the ISS...

    Russia is doing everything right.

    The gloating of this is so sad.  Russia made good money from US to ferry US astronauts for years

    Exactly.... effectively the US and Russia work at the same place (ISS) and when the US lost its licence they paid Russia to take them to work and back. Now that the US has a new car they are bitching about Russia not earning money taking them to work and back... but their new car is a brand new design... lets see how safe it is and if it is not safe what are Americas options then...

    1) Even Russian "experts" instinctively want to panhandle from the USA, doing anything for themselves is unimaginable for them

    Oh please... could you not find an article from the Jamestown foundation or the BBC or CNN or some other reputable pro Russia site?

    The fact is that there is butt hurt and it is from America because for the last 10 years the greatest superpower has had to bum rides from poor backward third world gas station Russia, so to hide the fact they have gotten back a capability they should never have lost in the first place they are bitching and moaning about something not really very interesting at all.

    2) Trampoline Man is still bullshiting everyone about cutting seat cost just to one-up Musk, he could be giving them away for free but Americans aren't coming back (which seems to be the only important thing for him)

    After the landing fails and the escape system barbecues everyone on board they might want to come back...

    3) Putin doesn't seem to be too concerned with the way Roskosmos is (mis)managed anyway, he allows that moron to do whatever he wants regardless of consequences

    What did he do wrong... Russian access to the ISS has been assured continuously and a replacement launch system is being developed in good time.

    4) Fact that Rogozin made those dumb comments BEFORE he was appointed head of Roskosmos tells you all you need to know about how seriously whole thing is taken by government and Putin, they just dumped his dumb ass in least important sector of government to get rid of him without concern for consequences

    What dumb comments... it was the US that was unable to get to the ISS and had to beg the Russians for free (available) seats not the other way around.

    5) There will be no "international cooperation" in Mars missions, those who can get there are not interested in sharing their accomplishments with losers

    They would get there faster without the Americans... with a better survival probability... and would actually be mentioned in the movies and books made about it if they don't go as part of a US mission...

    AGAIN: This day would have been nothing special had the Grand Imbecilic Moron kept his fat stupid mouth shut all those years ago (nobody was soliciting his opinion anyway)

    It isn't anything special... only you are creaming your pants over Musk... they haven't even gotten back home yet... remember... that is what destroyed two of their previous platforms for getting it to space...

    But he didn't and now thanks to him Russia is looking like a clownshow (more than usual)

    Russia could talk for weeks about how fantastic an achievement this was and western news agencies wouldn't notice because it is not newsworthy... but why should Russia care about the US restoring a capacity it should never have lost... that is the real incompetence they are trying to hide with this BS.

    I wonder when he will crawl back into the public eye? He is probably waiting for this to blow over like a little bitch that he is but this will not be blowing over ever

    What to blow over... why should he give a shit about what the Japan times is posting on its website?

    Just looking at what Russian internet users are doing to him online is glory to behold (as they should, he made morons out of all of them)

    Feeble minded internet trolls should be ignored, not encouraged or be praised.

    Rogozin says he is working on two new spaceships, five new rockets and a new space station but other than his word as have nothing else so something with both sources and Rogozin-free would be a welcome change of pace

    But how could he possibly be managing things properly by doing such things... he should be praising Musk in his own Musk shrine that takes ten years longer to build than the new space port....

    PD has a stick up his arse about Rogozin but I think its time for it to be extracted.

    He certainly does, but does not seem interested in removing it... bags not that job...

    He inherited a mess and he (and his team) is successfully beating the industry back into shape. I'm reasonably happy with his performance, but I guess PD just doesn't like to be proved wrong...

    But that is the problem... he seems to think Space X is wonderful and that NASA are amazing... you'd think the roles were reversed and it was the Russians bludging seats from the US to get to the ISS and that it was the Russians that fucked up and didn't have their own man rated rockets to get to space but are working on some piece of shit system that replicates all the bad things about the Space shuttle... reusing it made it more expensive because the costs of refurbishing and checking and repairing bits that needed replacement like heat tiles is fucking expensive.... it is much cheaper to just make them disposable and one use only... maybe make them recoverable so the metals can be recycled, but making them reusable and then no reusing them makes them more expensive... not less.

    Especially when you count the cost of time involved to recover and clean and inspect and reload/prepare for new launch... in comparison cheap mild steel case ammo mass produced by the billion in some factory somewhere is always going to work out cheaper unless you can use the brass case 20 times.

    Right now they have 83 launches and 44 landings and 31 reflown rockets... it simply isn't good enough to be financially viable to a company that actually has to get results... ie a company in the real world. Thanks to US taxpayer subsidies however they can be failures and lose shit loads of money and the research the US military wants on restartable rocket engines will get done but don't bullshit me about how revolutionary and wonderful they are that is just corruption...

    It is Ironic that America is pushing private enterprise to develop space access... they have trillions to bail out wall street and 750 billion to bail out the banks, but no money to boldly go where no one has gone before? How unamerican... Twisted Evil



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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:39 am

    PD is excited about a God damn launch that Russia has been doing for years after US lost its ability to do so even though NASA has a significantly larger budget.  Yet Russia does "nothing".

    Huh.

    Add to all the launches to ISS and all the recent satellite launches, I think they are doing fine.  Once reorganization is over and new hq is built, then other new developments happen.

    BTW, Roscosmos manufacturing plants are also making ICBM components for Sarmat so.....
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:41 am

    BigGazza wrote:he fixed the corruption debacle at Vostochny...

    He couldn't fix it so he decided to have the military do the work instead where he would take credit for any success and blame military for any failure

    It's like figuring out that you can't learn how to drive a car so you decide to drive Segway instead



    GarryB wrote:Dude... get some perspective.... they just did what Russia has been doing even during economic crisis's....

    No, Russia was just sloppily continuing where USSR left off

    So far they have no accomplishments of their own as of yet (and nothing coming up in any immediate future)



    GarryB wrote:Why. What are they doing wrong?
    .....
    Russia is doing everything right....

    Every single program delayed, late, way over budget or outright cancelled or failed

    All with constant begging for foreign money and idiotic statements by imbecile in charge who failed upward



    GarryB wrote:After the landing fails and the escape system barbecues everyone on board they might want to come back......

    And when this doesn't happen what will be next move in mental gymnastics olympics?

    And even if they detonate in orbit on live video feed how will that improve situation in Roskosmos?



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    But that is the problem... he seems to think Space X is wonderful and that NASA are amazing...

    No Garry, that's what you claim that I think

    Every time local Rogozin groupies run out of arguments they resort to calling all those who disagree with them Musk fanboys


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    Post  Big_Gazza on Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:38 am

    GarryB wrote:Why would the Russians risk their crews on something that has had so many failures and so few successes... for goodness sake their escape system failed during testing and destroyed the module. In comparison the Russian system was given a live test with real crew on board and worked perfectly.

    Its worse than that.  SpaceX has pulled strings to force NASA management to sign off on the fucking stupid idea of boarding the crew to the capsule BEFORE loading propellants onto the stack. AFAIK nobody has ever launched manned vehicles in this fashion before, and it violates every safety philosophy principle stemming from ALARP considerations (ie keeping risk As Low As Reasonably Practical).  All space agencies that have performed manned launches have always fuelled the vehicle first, confirmed its safe status, and only then have they committed to loading personnel.  SpaceX have argued for a probability point of view, ie that the lack of fuelling accidents in NASA operations means that they should be allowed to move the goal posts and undermine decades of established NASA safety protocols. Their math might be right, but this is not the same as fuelling a passenger jet at an airport with PAX aboard.  The obvious pushback is that it is intrinsically safer to fuel the stack first, rather than do so with a crewed capsule sitting atop. Personally I'm astonished that NASA has accepted this nonsense, and thats strongly indicative of backroom political pressures being bought to bear on the flight safety management team.

    Funny how Westeners often discuss the "Nedellin catastrophe" as an example of Russias alleged "lack of concern over safety" (for not draining propellants from the missile before allowing techs access to investigate faults) yet the oh-so-fucking-holy US is prepared to allow the fuelling of a manned vehicle....  Hypocrisy is a US specialty.
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:08 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:He is incompetent semiliterate blowhard moron who ended up running a space program because Roskosmos became dumping ground for idiots


    Well he is hardly the biggest idiot involved in spaceflight.

    If you think otherwise I sincerely suggest you go to your local insane asylum and say "I am retarded pleas take me in".

    As far as us manned missions go I say we wait for the fireworks, if thier current endeavors are anything to go by we can expect quite the firey bloodbath of roast astronaught followed by a delectable controversy.
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    Post  Hole on Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:22 pm

    Lets see if the trickster can manage 100+ succesful launches, just like Russia did.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:37 am

    No, Russia was just sloppily continuing where USSR left off

    So far they have no accomplishments of their own as of yet (and nothing coming up in any immediate future)

    Why would Russia give up everything they worked hard to achieve and everything they have developed... is the US going to give up all their Nazi rocket technology and develop everything from scratch too?

    Every single program delayed, late, way over budget or outright cancelled or failed

    That describes the US military too... but unlike the US they are building a new space port and they have man rated rockets and are developing a new system too, and they seem to be launching a lot of useful satellites too. Delays and cost overruns are a normal and accepted part of planning... and when something clearly isn't going to work then you stop it... you don't keep building it to schedule and call it a success like they did with F-35 and Zumwalt and LCS...


    All with constant begging for foreign money and idiotic statements by imbecile in charge who failed upward

    What begging for money?

    And when this doesn't happen what will be next move in mental gymnastics olympics?

    Even mature systems fail.... half arsed projects run by people with no clue are more prone to failure.... not less...

    And even if they detonate in orbit on live video feed how will that improve situation in Roskosmos?

    Nobody even mentioned this launch because it is not important... when the crew of this vessel get barbecued Roskosmos will send a letter of condolences and look at future launches for spaces for NASA astronauts... have to remember that America thinks nothing of its meat... Astronaut means star nothing...

    No Garry, that's what you claim that I think

    Every time local Rogozin groupies run out of arguments they resort to calling all those who disagree with them Musk fanboys

    So not a fan boy... a sour little bitch that hates everyone.... OK.

    SpaceX have argued for a probability point of view, ie that the lack of fuelling accidents in NASA operations means that they should be allowed to move the goal posts and undermine decades of established NASA safety protocols.

    Which is totally illogical.... using a past record of safety as proof things are safe so safety protocols can be relaxed because it is obviously a safe thing to do is incredibly stupid.

    I have never killed myself in a car accident before so my seat belt and airbag protection could be removed as it is unlikely they will be needed and they add weight to the car... Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes (always wear your seat belt).

    Personally I'm astonished that NASA has accepted this nonsense, and thats strongly indicative of backroom political pressures being bought to bear on the flight safety management team.

    The goals are to meet money goals so corners are going to be cut... and when that includes safety corners... people are going to die.

    Funny how Westeners often discuss the "Nedellin catastrophe" as an example of Russias alleged "lack of concern over safety" (for not draining propellants from the missile before allowing techs access to investigate faults) yet the oh-so-fucking-holy US is prepared to allow the fuelling of a manned vehicle.... Hypocrisy is a US specialty.

    Except that was an ICBM wasn't it, so the fuel was probably not easily removable... it wasn't like cryogenic fuels that are loaded only a few hours before launch...

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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:50 am

    Total foreign contribution to Roscosmos budget was $200M.  And that is over a period of a few years.  So not really all that much at all.

    A blowhard making claims, go figure.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:34 pm


    Looks like government is still reluctant to take space program seriously but constant embarrassment is definitely starting to become problematic enough for them to take some steps, hopefully it's just a prelude to more decisive course of action:

    Cosmic Or Cosmetic Changes? A Twitter Shake-Up At Russia’s Space Agency

    https://www.rferl.org/a/cosmic-or-cosmetic-changes-a-twitter-shake-up-at-russia-s-space-agency/30655277.html

    ...The Twitter handle maneuver comes two weeks after Ivan Safronov, a former journalist at two of Russia’s most-respected business papers, was appointed as an adviser to Rogozin on media policy...


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    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun Jun 07, 2020 4:45 am

    Having a greater emphasis on PR at Roskosmos is long overdue.  Administrators and engineers/technocrats usually suck at PR, and this stuff is best left to specialists., ie PR outreach professionals with demonstrated industry experience.

    Rogozin should continue to tweet but he needs to exercise restraint and not touch on controversies or criticisms.  He needs to leave that stuff to the professionals and stick to his role as the energised enthusiast and man with the "vision" (*).

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jun 07, 2020 4:59 am

    Looks like government is still reluctant to take space program seriously

    Possibly has more important more relevant problems on its mind... like the pandemic and of course the economy that has been effected by that pandemic...

    ... Oh dear god... you are posting shit from Radio Free Europe... Jesus...

    Rogozin, known for his anti-American and anti-Western rhetoric, founded the nationalist Motherland party in the 2000s and later served as Russia’s representative to NATO.

    Well now I know why PD doesn't like him... he is anti west... makes him look better in my book.

    but constant embarrassment is definitely starting to become problematic enough for them to take some steps, hopefully it's just a prelude to more decisive course of action:

    Talk about embarrassment... I now have that shit website on my web history...

    He wouldn't be the first public celebrity to have to clean up old posts on the internet because they are not considered socially acceptable because the social police are now social nazis.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:49 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:Having a greater emphasis on PR at Roskosmos is long overdue.  Administrators and engineers/technocrats usually suck at PR, and this stuff is best left to specialists., ie PR outreach professionals with demonstrated industry experience.

    No PR specialist will keep a retard from being himself (and they definitely can't prevent what already happened in the past)

    You can get special-ed kids to behave during school play but it will not affect their IQ one bit



    Big_Gazza wrote:Rogozin should continue to tweet but he needs to exercise restraint and not touch on controversies or criticisms.  He needs to leave that stuff to the professionals and stick to his role as the energised enthusiast and man with the "vision" (*).

    Those special-ed​ kids I mentioned all have visions as well

    But we don't listen to them for obvious reasons (it would be extremely irresponsible)



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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:28 pm

    Seems Russia is taking space seriously with working hard to complete Vostochney (the fuckup with the construction company was before Rogozin), and launch of Angara-A5 this year and already contract for multiple of the Rockets. Soyuz-5 and its new crew module will be out in a year or two.

    I don't know what the fuss is. Rogozin was part of rostec and that organization is ridiculously successful with good a stage profit margins among its businesses and major tech development has been implemented from it.
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:25 pm

    Did Rogozin vow he would deploy and utilise orbital death lasers against all who watch hentai? If so I hope he does so soon so that we need not have this discussion clogged up with more of PD's moronically incessant slander.

    Honestly it is qute absurd that there is an organism in this universe which cannot see that Rogozin is the less retarded of the idiots in aerospace.



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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:21 pm

    The-thing-next-door wrote:...Rogozin is the less retarded of the idiots in aerospace.

    If true then RIP Russian aerospace

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:54 am

    Actions speak louder than words.

    From what I have seen it seems that Russia has decided to improve its performance in terms of setting goals and achieving aims in regard to space... instead of supporting that, you call the guy in charge retarded...

    Makes you just appear butt hurt.
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:28 am

    GarryB wrote:Actions speak louder than words.

    From what I have seen it seems that Russia has decided to improve its performance in terms of setting goals and achieving aims in regard to space... instead of supporting that, you call the guy in charge retarded...

    Makes you just appear butt hurt.

    I reakky wonder why he hates Rogozin so much, did Rogozin personally shoot his family or something?

    PapaDragon wrote:If true then RIP Russian aerospace

    The idiot in question is pindostanski not Russian.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:41 pm

    GarryB wrote:...instead of supporting that, you call the guy in charge retarded...

    That's because he is retarded

    Nothing that's managed by a retard can achieve anything more than half-assed partially completed objective



    The-thing-next-door wrote:...I reakky wonder why he hates Rogozin so much

    In addition to overall incompetence:

    1) Trampoline comment - everyone knew he would be eating those words several years later and still he did it while making making sure that his country will look like a joke as a result of his stupidity

    2) Lunar landing conspiracy comments - anyone stupid enough to publicly make that claim should not hold a position above a janitor and he is supposed to be in charge of space agency

    I am still waiting​ for him to go on record and say how Earth is flat...


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    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:11 am

    PapaDragon wrote:1) Trampoline comment - everyone knew he would be eating those words several years later and still he did it while making making sure that his country will look like a joke as a result of his stupidity

    Oh FFS, you're fully aware of the context for the trampoline comment - US yabbering about banning the importation of RB-180 engines due to the Russian response to the US-instigated Ukrainian coup.  Rogozins trolling of Senate fuckwits was 100% appropriate and you know it.  Stop playing the fool pls.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:43 pm

    That's because he is retarded

    Nothing that's managed by a retard can achieve anything more than half-assed partially completed objective

    So you hate retarded people. OK.

    1) Trampoline comment - everyone knew he would be eating those words several years later and still he did it while making making sure that his country will look like a joke as a result of his stupidity

    He never meant it to be forever... but at the time it was correct.... and why shouldn't he troll Americans... are they above reproach?

    He is in charge of a space agency that runs from a third world shithole that is a gas station... how many other third world countries have a space agency...

    2) Lunar landing conspiracy comments - anyone stupid enough to publicly make that claim should not hold a position above a janitor and he is supposed to be in charge of space agency

    If you paid attention to those comments you would realise it was more about how untrustworthy and deceitful America is and how they lie about anything and everything... especially Russia. If you watch US TV the Soviet Union and Russia should have been easy to beat in the cold war... they had no talent and all their people could only copy... and the space race is not about the race into space which America lost, or the race to land on the moon which the US lost, or even to put a rover on the moon which the US lost... what the US won was first to get men on the moon surface.... whipty doo.
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    Post  Hole on Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:54 pm

    To be correct it was the third reich that brought people to the moon. Very Happy
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:16 am

    Not sure if this has been posted yet, but Rogozin has written an piece for Forbes giving his perspectives on SpaceX and the jingoistic cock-fondling of the US media and Russia-haters in general:

    https://www.forbes.ru/tehnologii/402477-eto-ih-voyna-ne-nasha-dmitriy-rogozin-otvetil-na-zapusk-crew-dragon-ilona-maska

    Some interesting exerts:

    The new American ships are more than twice as heavy as the Soyuz, although they have only one additional seat compared to the latter. To launch such massive ships, heavy-class rockets are used (in the case of Crew Dragon, this is Falcon 9, in the case of Starliner, it is Atlas V, using the Russian RD-180 as the first stage engine). Our Soyuz MS is launched into Soyuz-2.1a orbit — not a heavy, but a middle class missile. Therefore, the cost of our launches is much lower than the US.

    I, of course, didn’t have any illusions about partners after working as the Russian ambassador to NATO

    On May 30, Elon Musk spoiled the mood not for us, but for his compatriots from the Boeing company, ahead of them with the start of flight tests. This is their war, not ours.

    Work on the creation of a new Angara rocket (on the principle of using universal modules) has been sluggish since the late 90s, not only because there was practically no money allocated for it, but there was also no obvious desire to move this work forward. Like, why? There is a breadwinner Proton, the market is practically ours ...

    Compare Rogozins article with this next link, nothing but 5th columnist knob-gobbling shit from Mikhail Kokorich, founder of Dauria Aerospace. How the fuck does anyone who is a Russian write such unmitigated Atlantacist bullshit??? Mad

    https://www.forbes.ru/tehnologii/401873-okonchatelnaya-pobeda-ssha-kak-rossiya-beznadezhno-otstala-ot-ameriki-v
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:17 pm


    It's amazing what person can accomplish when he makes an effort to behave like mature adult

    Did he mention anything useful in that article (Angara, Soyuz-5, PTK-NP) or was it just usual pissing contest?



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    Post  Big_Gazza on Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:17 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    It's amazing what person can accomplish when he makes an effort to behave like mature adult

    Did he mention anything useful in that article (Angara, Soyuz-5, PTK-NP) or was it just usual pissing contest?


    Nothing new, but he did say that when S7 relocated the Sea Launch platform and control ship to Russia, US gov representatives openly stated how they would never allow the rise of a Russian competitor to Space X, and that they gutted the Sea Launch infrastructure of its launch hardware before it was handed over (and that restoration of the asset will be long and expensive).

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