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    Post  George1 Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:07 pm

    Tai Hai Chen wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Mass deliveries of Okhotnik strike drones to the troops will begin in 2024 - First Deputy Chairman of the Board of the Military-Industrial Complex of the Russian Federation

    Purchases of "Okhotnik" will be included in the state armament program for 2024-2033

    Yelchaninov noted that during the joint tests of the Okhotnik with the fifth generation Su-57 fighter, the mutual transfer of information between the aircraft is being worked out - the redistribution of targets in flight, maintaining intervals and distances, and performing anti-missile maneuvers.

    In the future, the pilot of the Su-57 fighter will be able to distribute tasks in a group of drones and organize the work of the so-called "swarm" using artificial intelligence, said the first deputy chairman of the board of the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation.


    https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=543328&lang=RU

    2024 is a very ambitious goal.

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    Post  TMA1 Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:12 am

    ahh the tedious chicom poster and his strange, effeminate way with back handed compliments.
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    Post  LMFS Sun Dec 27, 2020 4:01 am

    The source spoke about the plans for testing the Hunter drone."

    MOSCOW, December 27-RIA Novosti. The Russian heavy strike unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) "Okhotnik" in 2021 as part of flight tests for the first time will use weapons on air targets, a source in the aircraft industry told RIA Novosti.
    "The first missile launches from the Okhotnik UAV are planned for the second half of 2021. We are talking about firing intra-fuselage air – to-air missiles, which were previously tested on the su-57. Launches are planned for real air targets, " the source said.
    He added that before that, missile launch tests should be carried out with UAVs.
    According to the source, tests of the Okhotnik with the use of air - to-surface weapons are also planned. "Okhotnik will be a full-fledged multifunctional vehicle with the possibility of using it as a long-range unmanned fighter-interceptor," he explained.

    https://ria.ru/20201227/bespilotnik-1591087555.html

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    Post  LMFS Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:22 am

    UAV "Hunter" struck in the course of testing a bomb

    MOSCOW, January 12-RIA Novosti. The Russian heavy attack drone s-70 "Hunter" in the framework of flight tests delivered a bomb attack on a ground target at the Ashuluk training ground, a source in the military-industrial complex told RIA Novosti.
    According to him, the "Hunter" dropped unguided aerial bombs of 500 kilograms caliber from the fuselage compartment.

    "The target was hit with high accuracy," the source said.
    He did not name the date when the bombing took place, but noted that this is not the first test to hit ground targets.
    The source stressed that "the latest sighting and navigation system installed on the Okhotnik makes it possible to use free-falling ammunition with an accuracy approaching that of a high-precision guided weapon."
    "Okhotnik", according to the interlocutor, is able to hit ground stationary and limited mobile targets with pre-known coordinates in Autonomous mode, including when receiving external target designation in the air.

    https://ria.ru/20210112/bespilotnik-1592658813.html

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    Post  dino00 Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:05 pm

    The source said about the construction of three more heavy drones "Okhotnik"

    MOSCOW, February 12 - RIA Novosti. The Novosibirsk Chkalov Aviation Plant (NAZ) is building three more prototypes of the S-70 Okhotnik heavy attack drone, a source in the military-industrial complex told RIA Novosti.

    "NAZ is building three more prototypes of the S-70 UAVs - the second, third and fourth. According to the plan, they should be sequentially connected to flight tests during 2022-2023," the agency's interlocutor said.

    He did not specify the degree of assembly of each sample, but noted that changes will be made to the design of the second apparatus based on the operating experience of the first "Okhotnik", whose flight tests began in August 2019.

    "The improvements will, in particular, relate to the systems of onboard radio-electronic equipment and structural elements of the airframe," the agency's interlocutor continued.

    He also added that the third and fourth drones "will actually correspond to the production version of the Hunter."

    The interlocutor of RIA Novosti also noted that the heavy UAV S-70 will become a multifunctional vehicle with the ability to work on all types of both air and ground targets. The concept of the Hunter's combat use is based on a reduction in signature in all ranges, a long flight range, the use of long-range high-precision weapons and a high level of intelligence on the aircraft.

    https://ria.ru/20210212/okhotnik-1597135614.html

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    Post  The-thing-next-door Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:15 pm

    What is the maximum payload of the S70?
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:49 pm

    The-thing-next-door wrote:What is the maximum payload of the S70?

    Originally it was reported to be 2-2.8 tons, now it's been reported to be as high as 8 tons.
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    Post  kvs Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:05 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    The-thing-next-door wrote:What is the maximum payload of the S70?

    Originally it was reported to be 2-2.8 tons, now it's been reported to be as high as 8 tons.

    The lifting surface of the S-70 is no smaller than the Su-57 so that number is plausible.

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    Supposedly the Su-57 can carry 10 tons. Even if the S-70 can "only" carry 7 tons that is very good.



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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Feb 12, 2021 7:02 pm

    kvs wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    The-thing-next-door wrote:What is the maximum payload of the S70?

    Originally it was reported to be 2-2.8 tons, now it's been reported to be as high as 8 tons.

    The lifting surface of the S-70 is no smaller than the Su-57 so that number is plausible.  

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    Supposedly the Su-57 can carry 10 tons.    Even if the S-70 can "only" carry 7 tons that is very good.

    If it has the same internal weapons bay as the Su-57 then it can also carry the internal fuel cells weighing up to 8 metric tons of fuel. S-70 already has a phenomenal range of 6000km, but with the internal fuel cells, unlike conventional fuel drop tanks that cause immense drag, additional 'internal' fuel cells will not. 8 additional metric tons of fuel means it goes from 6000km max range, to 8000km, maybe 10,000km, perhaps even doubling the max range to 12,000km.

    The immediate use and advantage for the increased additional range is the increased/improved surveillance of the Federation's immense borders. Blaring it's radar continuously without a break has a disadvantage that it counteracts stealth, as ELINT/SIGINT is imo the main Achilles heel of low-observable platforms. So instead of it's radars consistently emitting electro-magnetic radiation, it'll passively listen to enemy emissions, and domestic ground based radar platform emissions when it flies over friendly radar covered airspace, but then turn on it's radars to cover radar blind spots that aren't being cover by ground based radar platforms.
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    Post  LMFS Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:26 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:If it has the same internal weapons bay as the Su-57 then it can also carry the internal fuel cells weighing up to 8 metric tons of fuel. S-70 already has a phenomenal range of 6000km, but with the internal fuel cells, unlike conventional fuel drop tanks that cause immense drag, additional 'internal' fuel cells will not. 8 additional metric tons of fuel means it goes from 6000km max range, to 8000km, maybe 10,000km, perhaps even doubling the max range to 12,000km.

    The potential bay space for fuel assuming the bays like those on the Su-57 is ca. 1.5 t, not more, you can make the numbers. It is nice for some long endurance light weapons load A2A missions like CAP, specially on a fighter, but for a strike platform which already has huge range it is not going to make a very big difference I assume. Either it detracts from big A2G ordnance, which is at a premium for a stealth platform in strike roles, or it adds not much range for a platform with already huge fuel fraction.

    The immediate use and advantage for the increased additional range is the increased/improved surveillance of the Federation's immense borders. Blaring it's radar continuously without a break has a disadvantage that it counteracts stealth, as ELINT/SIGINT is imo the main Achilles heel of low-observable platforms. So instead of it's radars consistently emitting electro-magnetic radiation, it'll passively listen to enemy emissions, and domestic ground based radar platform emissions when it flies over friendly radar covered airspace, but then turn on it's radars to cover radar blind spots that aren't being cover by ground based radar platforms.

    It has many advantages:

    > Allowing deep penetration missions with maximum internal load and enough range to circumvent AD sites
    > High endurance ISR missions
    > Huge loitering times over the battlefield, potentially changing the way air power is exerted since it will not be needed to generate sorties to strike time critical targets but rather send the targeting information to the units already on station, gaining a lot of precious time and not allowing the enemy to assemble forces.

    If it is fielded in 2024 as stated, it will be a revolutionary system IMHO...

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    Post  TMA1 Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:41 am

    I believe the s-70 will have a radar as well as electro-optical system. not just this but sophisticated data links, INS, as well as very complex multiple AI systems. the thing is turning into a glorious monster. respekt

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:10 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:S-70 already has a phenomenal range of 6000km, but with the internal fuel cells, unlike conventional fuel drop tanks that cause immense drag, additional 'internal' fuel cells will not. 8 additional metric tons of fuel means it goes from 6000km max range, to 8000km, maybe 10,000km, perhaps even doubling the max range to 12,000km....

    Does anyone know what is the loiter time for aircraft like this with 6000km range?

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    Post  LMFS Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:16 am

    PapaDragon wrote:Does anyone know what is the loiter time for aircraft like this with 6000km range?

    It will depend on the altitude, but I think 8-10 hours is a safe bet
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:04 am

    LMFS wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:Does anyone know what is the loiter time for aircraft like this with 6000km range?

    It will depend on the altitude, but I think 8-10 hours is a safe bet

    Is that longer than standard fighter plane?

    It would be useful to have heavily armed drone up in the air on patrols for long periods of time ready to fire off a load on a moment's notice

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    Post  GarryB Sat Feb 13, 2021 8:39 am

    Interesting video Tsavo... it talked a lot about Soviet bombs but the video didn't usually match what was being discussed...

    They mentioned the 1962 model iron bombs with the aerodynamic shape while the flat nosed 1954 model iron bombs were being fitted to aircraft... not to mention a lot of footage of western bombs and western bombers.

    I would say the 1952 model bombs would fit better into internal bomb bays because they are shorter, the 1962 models are more efficient for external carriage because of their lower drag but as shown the Su-25 and Su-24 often carry the high drag 1954 bombs because the can be released at lower altitudes more safely because they slow down faster and are less dangerous the aircraft dropping the bomb.

    When dropped at altitude the lower drag later model bombs arrive without warning and cause less drag in flight when carried externally... but they likely have enormous numbers of both types in stock.

    If it has the same internal weapons bay as the Su-57 then it can also carry the internal fuel cells weighing up to 8 metric tons of fuel. S-70 already has a phenomenal range of 6000km, but with the internal fuel cells, unlike conventional fuel drop tanks that cause immense drag, additional 'internal' fuel cells will not. 8 additional metric tons of fuel means it goes from 6000km max range, to 8000km, maybe 10,000km, perhaps even doubling the max range to 12,000km.

    You are right that the lack of extra drag will make the extra fuel carried effect the max range rather more than external tanks would because external fuel tanks as you point out add drag and weight... but extra internal fuel also adds weight so higher power settings would be needed for normal operations so I would say it might increase its range by 50% perhaps if not a little more if the fuel is used efficiently...

    The potential bay space for fuel assuming the bays like those on the Su-57 is ca. 1.5 t, not more, you can make the numbers. It is nice for some long endurance light weapons load A2A missions like CAP, specially on a fighter, but for a strike platform which already has huge range it is not going to make a very big difference I assume. Either it detracts from big A2G ordnance, which is at a premium for a stealth platform in strike roles, or it adds not much range for a platform with already huge fuel fraction.

    I would agree with that... extra fuel might be useful for operations in the middle of nowhere, but extra weapons in an aircraft that already has a generous range make more sense. It would be like filling all the main weapon pylons on a Su-35 with external fuel tanks when it already has excellent range and an inflight refuelling probe... unless you want to use some S-70s as buddy refuelling platforms of course...

    I rather suspect the limiting factor for armament for the S-70 would be the physical internal space available and as such I rather doubt if a payload larger than 3-4 tons would even be possible.

    The concrete piercing 1,500kg guided bombs (laser and TV guided) are not huge weapons because they are mostly metal to penetrate the ground and layers of concrete where their HE charge collapses tunnels and cavities.... I would say two of them should fit which is going to be 3 tons...

    It could potentially carry disposable jammers or towed decoys that could be released from the bay to hang behind the drone to distract missiles...
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    Post  lyle6 Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:35 am

    TMA1 wrote:I believe the s-70 will have a radar as well as electro-optical system. not just this but sophisticated data links, INS, as well as very complex multiple AI systems. the thing is turning into a glorious monster. respekt

    Quite possibly it will turn out to be the final nail in the supercarrier's coffin. They already have the weapons to do the job from a distance that guarantees virtual impunity, they just need the persvasive targeting of the carrier battlegroup. Inb4 E-2Ds can now see tailless stealth when multiband Nebo-Ms can't F-35s. Razz

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    Post  LMFS Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:12 pm

    GarryB wrote:unless you want to use some S-70s as buddy refuelling platforms of course...

    That is indeed a nice possibility. Fuel in one bay and a  refuelling kit in the other...

    I rather suspect the limiting factor for armament for the S-70 would be the physical internal space available and as such I rather doubt if a payload larger than 3-4 tons would even be possible.

    I would agree.

    The concrete piercing 1,500kg guided bombs (laser and TV guided) are not huge weapons because they are mostly metal to penetrate the ground and layers of concrete where their HE charge collapses tunnels and cavities.... I would say two of them should fit which is going to be 3 tons...

    It would be good if the Okhotnik could carry the KAB-1500, which is very big for the the Su-57 but is still a relevant weapon against heavily fortified targets (Russians do not have a 1000 kg bomb). Diameter of the bomb is 60 cm, so it would need the bays to be significantly deeper than the ones in this drawing, sized after those of the PAK-FA. The good thing of such a platform is that the demands of maneuvering and supersonic flight do not limit the internal volume / weapon bays. Drawing by paralay
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    Post  GarryB Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:05 am

    Quite possibly it will turn out to be the final nail in the supercarrier's coffin. They already have the weapons to do the job from a distance that guarantees virtual impunity, they just need the persvasive targeting of the carrier battlegroup. Inb4 E-2Ds can now see tailless stealth when multiband Nebo-Ms can't F-35s.

    Why do you think that?

    The S-70 will be cheaper than an Su-57, but probably not cheaper than a transport aircraft that could be modified to carry enormous numbers of anti ship missiles... and even then you would need aircraft carriers even more to defend from an air attack.

    Saying new drones will make super carriers obsolete is like saying new drones will make huge airfields and fighter planes obsolete... well no... carriers and airfields are the best air defence solution for expanding your air defence capacity and making it mobile... having fighters and AWACS as well as SAMs and guns on the ground is the best air defence solution and no addition enemy drones will make aircraft and AWACS less useful.

    No distance means impunity... because that carrier group can come to you.

    That is indeed a nice possibility. Fuel in one bay and a refuelling kit in the other...

    Or 3/4ths of one bay with fuel with the rear end a coil of pipe and turbine you could lower into the slipstream to power reeling the drogue out and back in... in the other bay you could use short range self defence missiles or just more fuel.

    Existing buddy refuelling systems have an external fuel tank with the rear portion the drogue and coiled up pipe system and usually a ram turbine to power it all... so fitting it all into an internal bay should not be a problem.
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    Post  LMFS Sun Feb 21, 2021 7:37 pm

    The test pilot told how the Hunter drone attacks"

    MOSCOW, February 21-RIA Novosti. The Russian S-70 Okhotnik heavy attack drone is capable of hitting targets on command from a su-57 fighter jet, said test pilot Evgeny Frolov, who controls the Okhotnik from the ground.
    As previously reported, the Okhotnik is being created within the framework of the loyal wingman concept and should work in conjunction with the su-57 and apply the entire range of weapons of the fifth-generation fighter. In this case, the final decision on the use of weapons by the Hunter drone will be made by the pilot of the leader aircraft.
    "There is no need to say anything. Just him (su-57) there, he himself determines which target to assign to, and he (the" Hunter"), accordingly, attacks it. Moreover, it attacks with information from the plane, " Frolov said in the Vesti Nedeli program on the Rossiya 1 TV channel as part of a story about the interaction of the Okhotnik With the leading su-57 aircraft in the sky.
    Currently, the Okhotnik ground operator's seat is equipped with control knobs like in a manned fighter, a keyboard, and several liquid crystal multifunction screens that display various information from the vehicle's onboard systems and cameras.
    "In the future, this device will be purely automatic, there are already such controls, most likely, will not be, and manual control, probably, will not be", - said Frolov.

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    Post  LMFS Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:14 pm



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    Post  LMFS Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:28 pm

    There are some takes in the special that allow to "see" the bay doors at least a bit. Comparing, it looks like paralay's drawing were rather acurate

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