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    Chinese Navy potential threat for the Russian Navy

    GarryB
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:04 pm

    How do you define win?

    Do you actually think the Chinese would send millions of soldiers through the mountains to attack India?

    Troops in aircraft and ships would be even more vulnerable to attack and equally pointless.

    Simply China mobilising the number of troops needed for an invasion of India would be very expensive and obvious to everyone with satellites.

    Do you think Russia would ignore an enormous build up of Chinese forces on the Indian border?

    Such a build up would be easy to target using Indias nuclear weapons... pre emptive self defence... and it would be pretty clear why 3 million odd soldiers are being sent to the Chinese/Indian border... the equipment and soldiers needed will make it plain it is not an exercise.

    Pakistan adding to the attack together with China would be the justification for India to immediately nuke the major cities of Pakistan and all the known locations of their nuclear counter force potential to quickly remove them from the war.

    When both sides have nukes and the capacity to use them winning no longer becomes an option or possibility for either side.

    (I am not being anti chinese here... I would say exactly the same about a joint Indian US attack on China... doomed to fail and destroy the economies of all actors involved... though for the US perhaps that might be their only out regarding their enormous debt.)
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    Post  jhelb on Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:02 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Do you think Russia would ignore an enormous build up of Chinese forces on the Indian border?

    If India and China fights a war to the finish, Russia should not interfere. Russia has nothing to gain but will lose a lot of men and money. In any case India has no chance of winning such a war where it is pitted against both China and Pakistan plus a few other muslim countries.

    Unnecessarily by supporting India, Russia will destroy its friendship with China. China is a massive market for Russian raw materials.

    [Rest of]Europe considers Russia to be an enemy only because of U.S pressure. But that aside Russia should remain focused on Europe and North America.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Feb 23, 2020 5:14 pm

    If India and China fights a war to the finish, Russia should not interfere.

    Russia would not do nothing in such a case because it is very much against the interests of all concerned to have any kind of conflict, Russia would no doubt try to talk both sides down and get them to talk instead of fight because both sides would have million man armies if they need them so the sheer manpower of China means nothing because India is just as populous and both sides have nukes.

    You talk about Pakistan supporting China, but in a conflict against China I suspect India would get the full support of the US in terms of backing them up... not in terms of supplying people to die.

    If India was faced with a combined attack from Pakistan and China it would have to resort to nukes... which would condemn the conflict against Pakistan to a case of India trying to nuke the major parts of the Pakistani attacking forces as well as known locations of their nuclear weapon capacity to try to neutralise it before it can be used... they would have to be quick... and once they have launched nukes against Pakistan they would also be free to do the same against China... in fact that would have to be quick too to prevent China trying to take out Indias remaining nukes before India can use them to try and take out Chinese nuclear capacity too.... and of course Pakistan and China will know all this so once India sees the enemy forces grouped together for the attack it becomes a quick draw to see who can use their nukes before they lose them, and if they can take out their opponents nukes before they get used against them.

    If the scenario is changed and it is India with Australian and Japanese and US support trying to attack China then China will be forced into the same position of having to strike back hard to minimise their opponents potential for nuclear reply...


    Unnecessarily by supporting India, Russia will destroy its friendship with China. China is a massive market for Russian raw materials.

    The fact is that the worst thing Russia could do in such a situation would be to do nothing... it would be a terrible mistake for China to attack India with allies or not... it would be catastrophic even if they won.... just like with Russia... there is no way the west would support them no matter what the provocation... there would be naval blockades and severe war time level sanctions... and the silk trade routes the Chinese have been spending billions on between Asia and the EU wont be worth anything because the EU will not touch Chinese products...

    The fact that the EU will happily sanction Russia on the command of the US suggests the EU is not really an independent power, but a junior partner to the US... don't expect to be able to deal with the EU on anything because overnight the US might stomp its foot and the EU will refuse to deliver products paid for and Russia will end up screwed.

    Not so with India and even Pakistan and China... Russian needs to realise the west barely constitutes 15% of the worlds market in real volume.... they might have 90% of the worlds wealth but that wealth is measured in US dollars which has no Gold or tangible resource backing its value... the more they print the less value it really has but they don't realise it yet... the world being they... when they do those 22 trillion dollars in US debt needs to be paid in something of value... just like at the end of WWII when all the gold from Europe went to the US to pay for the war... pretty soon there will come a day of reconciling when the gold will likely move to China and Japan and other countries that hold a lot of US debt that wont accept worthless paper money to pay the debt...

    I am no economics expert, but save for what you want to buy and don't spend money you don't have and can't pay back... it is pretty basic stuff... but not for US politicians... they are like very irresponsible parents who don't want to disappoint their children so they get another credit card instead of telling their children they can't have a nice holiday this year...

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