Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

I doubt there will be any major issues with the turbines. These things are bench tested for a long time before being put into serial production. What is way more likely is mistakes being made with the reduction gear or something like that.

To Lancelot

And the "izdeliye-30" engines for the Su-57 are bench tested, so they are not yet serially produced, right ?
One is bench testing and the other is in real conditions.
In any case, I did not criticize the 22350 project and the "Golovko" frigate, because I believe that the fact that "Golovko" is in seaworthy condition is more than a good indicator - the project is finally moving in a positive direction.
The most difficult period for frigates 22350 has passed because "Golovko" has sailed.
I do not consider it tragic if the testing of the turbines lasts 2 to 3 years, because something like that happens quite often when it comes to new systems.
The moment the turbines prove their reliability, then we can expect a drastic acceleration of the construction of the 22350 project.
Electronic equipment and all weapon systems were PROVEN on the frigates of that project, so the reliability of the gas turbines remained to be proven.

You have an example of the first 955A submarine, that is, the improved Borei-A K-549 "Knyaz Vladimir", which passed the period from November 17, 2017, when it was launched, until June 12, 2020, when it became active.
Second in line K-552 "Knyaz Oleg" was launched on 16 July 2020 and became operational on 21 December 2021.
Recently, K-553 "Generalissimus Suvorov" (third in line "Borei-A") became active in less than a year after launching, because it was launched on January 11, 2022, and operational status was reached on December 25, 2022. Everything takes time.

Russia to start building amphibious hovercraft

MOSCOW, January 10-RIA Novosti. Khabarovsk Shipyard plans to start this year the construction of amphibious hovercraft "Murena" on a modernized project, said in an interview with "Vesti. Khabarovsk " chief engineer of the plant Sergey Korolev. Khabarovsk Shipbuilding Plant (KHSZ) is a part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation.

"We defended the initiative work, a technical project to create amphibious hovercraft of the Moray Eel type. This is an absolutely unique project for our plant, no one has ever built it before, now it is being upgraded, and we expect to sign a contract this year. <...> We hope that this year we will start building, " said Korolev.
From 1985 to 1992, 8 "Moray Eels" were built at the KHSZ, which were transferred to the border service. In 2005, seven of them were decommissioned and disposed of, and the last of the eight amphibious hovercraft D-143 (PSKR-143, serial number 317) built for the Soviet Navy is being preserved in the KHSZ workshop.
Also, from 2002 to 2006, three boats were built under the export project "Murena-E" for the South Korean Navy. In September 2018, plans were announced for the construction of eight boats from 2019 to 2027.

Amphibious hovercraft project 12061 "Murena" - a series of Soviet and Russian high-speed amphibious boats designed for landing amphibious troops on an unequipped coast. They belong to ships of the 4th rank. The boats are capable of providing fire support for landings, or setting up minefields, and transport self-propelled, towed, and non-self-propelled vehicles.
The Moray Eel is capable of reaching speeds of 55 knots (102 kilometers per hour) and carrying one tank, two infantry fighting vehicles or 130 amphibious personnel. The ship is armed with two AK-306 30-millimeter automatic artillery systems, two AGS-17 "Flame" grenade launchers.
In 2014, at the Euronaval-2014 exhibition in France, a mock-up of the Murena-M boat was presented, designed specifically to work as part of the Mistral-type universal amphibious assault ships ordered in France and not received by Russia due to Western sanctions.
After Paris refused to supply Mistrals to Moscow, in 2020 the first two universal amphibious assault ships "Ivan Rogov" and "Mitrofan Moskalenko" of the Russian project 23900 were laid down at the Kerch shipyard "Zaliv". Like the Mistrals, the UDC Project 23900 has an aft dock chamber for landing craft.

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The Russian government approved the construction of two more nuclear-powered icebreakers of project 22220

On December 29, 2022, the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation Mikhail Mishustin signed the Decrees of the Government of the Russian Federation No. 4321-r and No. 4322-r on the implementation in 2023-2030 of budgetary investments at the expense of federal budget allocations in the construction of the lead multifunctional nuclear technology service vessel [Pr 22770] and two serial universal nuclear icebreakers of project 22220.

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Regarding the new class of nuclear service vessels:

According to Decree No. 4321-r , it is prescribed to carry out in 2023 - 2029 budgetary investments at the expense of budgetary appropriations of the federal budget in the construction of the lead multifunctional nuclear technology service vessel with a commissioning date of the vessel in 2029 (capacity to be commissioned - 9 .28 megawatts). The total cost of the vessel was determined at 24.798475 billion rubles, and the volume of budget investments in its construction in the specified period - at 12.3992375 billion rubles.

This refers to the construction of a multifunctional nuclear-technological service vessel (MSATO) of project 22770 , which is intended to replace the currently operated nuclear-technological service vessel "Imandra" of project 1948 (in service since 1980). The development of technical project 22770 was completed by Iceberg Central Design Bureau JSC in 2018 under a state contract concluded with the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia worth 489.5 million rubles. In October 2022, FSUE Atomflot issued an additional contract to the Iceberg Central Design Bureau in the amount of RUB 249.998 million to carry out adjustments to technical project 22770 by May 31, 2023 in order to "exclude foreign-made equipment from the MSATO, the supply of which is currently in the Russian Federation terminated".

The management of FSUE "Atomflot" stated that, taking into account the plans for the construction of floating nuclear power plants, the construction of three MNATO project 22770 will be required by 2035.

Characteristics of MSATO project 22770:

Overall length: - 158.80 m;
Length according to design waterline: - 149.2 m;
Maximum width: - 26 m;
Board height amidships: - 10.5 m;
With full displacement of draft: - 7.5 m;
Full displacement of the vessel: - 22661 tons;
Travel speed: - 12 knots;
Hull ice reinforcement class: - Arc5.

MSATO project 22770 is designed to carry out the following main technological operations:

- unloading of spent nuclear fuel from the reactor units of serviced ships;
- loading of fresh nuclear fuel into the reactor units of the vessels being serviced;
- reception, storage and distribution of liquid radioactive waste generated during the operation of ship reactor installations, as well as in the process of refueling of nuclear fuel;
- exposure of spent fuel assemblies in order to reduce residual heat releases;
- loading of aged spent fuel assemblies into transport containers for transfer for processing;
- decontamination of removable equipment of ship reactor plants and refueling equipment.

Regarding the extra Pr 22220s, ie units 6 & 7:

In turn, according to Decree No. 4322-r , it is planned to carry out in 2023 - 2030 budget investments at the expense of federal budget allocations in the construction of the fifth and sixth serial (that is, the sixth and seventh in general) universal nuclear icebreakers of project 22220 (LK-60Ya) with a capacity of 60 megawatts each, with commissioning in 2028 and 2030.

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The Crimean shipyard "More" is being modernized for the production of ships and vessels from steel
January 20, 2023 at 8:54 Subject: Industry




The Feodosia shipbuilding plant "More" plans to modernize ship-lifting capacities to enable launching ships and vessels over 80 meters in length and with a displacement of over 1,000 tons. It is reported by Korabel.ru with reference to the Acting Minister of Industrial Policy of the Republic of Crimea Elena Elekchan.

According to her, after the modernization, the enterprise will be able to start building fishing vessels and resume the assembly of high-speed passenger ships. As Elekchan noted, now the main funds are being invested in the development of a modernization plan.

Anton Korzun, Deputy General Director of the shipyard, said that an additional 45 specialists were hired in November for the current work on the implementation of existing orders.

"We plan to additionally attract both engineers and technologists who will participate in the design of various vessels and ships," Korzun added.

Now "More" produces ships for military and civil purposes from aluminum alloys and composite materials. The modernization will allow the production of steel products to begin. This will expand the list of orders and employ 600 people.

The "More" plant, built in the late 1930s, specialized in high-speed aluminum alloy ships, hydrofoils and hovercraft in Soviet times. The most famous military product is the world's largest landing hovercraft project 12322 Zubr. The shipyard also built civilian ships, including pleasure "Comets".

After the annexation of Crimea in 2014, the enterprise was nationalized by the authorities of the peninsula. Then, in 2015, they were transferred to the ownership of the Russian Federation, and 1 billion rubles were contributed from the federal budget to the capital. Since 2016, the shipyard's facilities have been transferred to the management of the Pella plant, which used them to fulfill an order for project 22800 Karakurt small rocket ships.

In 2018, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree on the transfer of the shipyard to the state corporation Rostec, whose representatives then said that the plant was underloaded and needed serious modernization. In 2020, the Accounts Chamber noted that due to sanctions, the construction of a boat to clean up oil spills was never completed, since it was not possible to purchase engine parts.
At the same time, "More" declared its readiness to build pleasure high-speed motor ships Kometa and fishing trawlers for Cuba, and also concluded an agreement with the Black Sea Fishing Company for the construction of ten trawlers for fishing in the Azov-Black Sea basin.

In March 2022, Rostec transferred the More shipyard to the United Shipbuilding Corporation free of charge.
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February 5th, 21:30

About the new boathouse at Severnaya Verf


The degree of readiness of the new SV boathouse on a satellite image from Google Earth from 08/23/2022


Until the recent announcement of the planned conclusion of a state contract for the construction of six frigates pr. 22350 and 22350M, in which the Amur shipyard appears, all hopes regarding the start of the renewal of the ocean multipurpose surface forces of the Russian Navy were associated with the new boathouse under construction at Severnaya Verf (St. Petersburg) , where immediately after the completion of the work they were supposed to lay the lead FR pr. 22350M (the incorrect classification and index of the project was mentioned in one of the previous entries.
However, there is still no complete clarity as to exactly how many units of 22350M the contract will be signed, and whether the Amur Plant will start building ocean-going ships immediately or whether it will first need to master the construction of DMZ (22350) frigates, which is more logical. But one way or another, the situation cannot be called satisfactory when the most important shipbuilding facility for the naval and economic power of the country is being built in such a strange and absurd way.
It is difficult to say what is more here - the incompetence of officials, the corruption component, or banal bad luck, which are expressed in the termination of two state contracts with the general contractors who built the boathouse, and the conclusion of a third, which raises questions.

You can write a novel about the ups and downs of the construction of an object of interest to us or make a movie in the genre of adventurous drama. The first contract was concluded by the General Director of SV I. Ponomarev with the St. Petersburg Metrostroy five years ago (December 29, 2017) and assumed the completion of work in the 1st quarter. 2019 , that is, a huge two-span boathouse with dimensions of 250x140x75 m (apparently external) with all the necessary crane and transmission equipment, as well as with production sites for slipway, outfitting and mechanical assembly production, it was planned to build in just one year and three months, a timeframe as optimistic as it is unrealistic.
It is curious that the tender with the participation of 4 companies took place only on the third attempt - the first failed due to lack of funds (!), the second was canceled by the Federal Antimonopoly Service due to the wrong approach to choosing a contractor. In March 2019, the contract was terminated due to missed deadlines (only 27% of the estimate was used - 2 billion rubles out of 7.4 and financial problems of Metrostroy. The situation was aggravated by technical and economic mistakes made by the non-core design bureau ViPS, which was entrusted against any rules with the development of the boathouse project (*).

(*) KB ViPS (Design Bureau of High-rise and Underground Structures), which had no experience in designing shipyards, according to the terms of reference, was to develop (and probably developed) working documentation in some two months, and TSTSS (Center for Shipbuilding and Ship Repair Technology) , who designed most of the existing shipbuilding facilities, was left out of work. In modern domestic shipbuilding, there is a bad tendency to replace professionals with amateurs.
The USC is headed by a former financier-auditor, an official from the automotive industry and farming, the Nevskoye Design Bureau is an engineer-economist and a recent chief accountant, the UDC is designing a low-tonnage and not at all aircraft carrier Zelenodolsk Design Bureau, which was crushed under his Ak Bars by an energetic, but infinitely far from the fleet merchant Mistakhov (the analogy of the boathouse SV and UDC pr. 23900 as one of the future symbols of the Russian Navy is especially alarming).

In September 2020 (a year and a half was being redesigned with sluggish work in certain areas), instead of the unjustified trust of Metrostroy, the new general director SV I. Orlov signed a contract with the company Domestic Systems and Technologies (OST), which, like its predecessor, never built shipbuilding slipways. According to Orlov, more than 10 enterprises participated in the tender, the OST says that only they submitted an application in the course of further tender procedures. Completion was planned for the end of 2021 with a possible shift to 2022, however, this contract was also terminated in January 2022 . There is information that this time the estimate is 7.8 billion rubles. was disbursed for 1 billion (13%). The third act of this bad spectacle began on December 21, 2022, when, as a result of a competition with one participant, Severnaya Verf signed an agreement with the RusGard Production Company (Rostov-on-Don) with a completion date of March 2024.
PC "RusGard" has a quite decent website, but two points cause concern: firstly, the last message in the "News" section is dated 01/14/2019; 2); secondly (and most importantly), the menu includes the supply, installation and maintenance of gas turbine units; production of industrial filters; production, installation and maintenance of equipment for electric power facilities, but there is not a word about building competencies .

Let's digress a little from the difficult relations of the SV (and USC) with contractors in order to assess the importance of the new boathouse for the country's defense capability and economy. A satellite image from Google Earth dated 08/23/2022 confirms the external length and width of the object, which were announced in the press (250x140 m) and gives the clear width of two uneven spans of approximately 69 and 55 m (according to available data, spans of overhead cranes should be 68/70 .5 and 54/56.5 m. It is well known that initially it was planned to build destroyer (cruiser) pr. 23560 in the boathouse with Dtotal, according to various sources, 14000-19000 tons. Most likely, the width of the larger span was chosen for the consideration of the simultaneous construction of two ships of this project in it (according to the author's estimates, for Dtotal 16500-19000 tons, Lnb and Bnb will be about 210-220 and 26.0-27.0 m).
Of course, in a 69-meter span, two frigates (destroyer) pr. 22350M ). At the same time, a narrow span is ideal for an Aframax type tanker with average Lnb and Vnb values ​​of 243 and 42 m (for Aframax 114K project, being built in Zvezda SSC, 250 and 44 m . Since tankers and BNK of the ocean zone will be vital for Russia in the new world order after the completion of the SMO, the new boathouse of the Severnaya Werf is an object of particular importance.

In a 30% finished slipway (building slab and part of the columns), it is necessary to: 1) complete the erection of the columns; 2) install ceilings; 3) complete the cladding of the building; 4) build an administrative building; 5) purchase the machine, crane [and transmission] equipment provided for in the contract . Will PC "RusGuard" cope with this? As far as can be judged from the materials of the official website, the company is now in serious trouble.
As far as can be judged from the materials of the official website, the company is now in serious trouble. It purchased and installed Western equipment (Siemens, General Electric, etc.) and produced filters using Western technologies. All this is now impossible or severely limited. Thus, the contract with SV for RusGuard is something like a lifeline. This is evidenced by the absence of other applicants in the competition. Most likely, this is due to the not very attractive terms of the contract, but they did not bother the drowning man.

According to the author, there may be two scenarios. In the first case, the management of the general contractor will treat the matter of national importance responsibly, hire an equally responsible subcontractor or subcontractors with rich experience in construction work and agree with the proposed price, be able to find a supplier and purchase the necessary equipment, without which the boathouse turns into an "expensive barn" , and hand over the object at the appointed time.
In the second, the story with Metrostroy and OST will be repeated, after which, with a high probability, Rakhmanov will lose his position (the third puncture on this topic), he will get hit in the neck, but Orlov will remain (despite the second puncture plus the fire on Provorny, plus not a single order delivered in 2022, he will have the delivered "Golovko", "Mercury" and a couple of fishing vessels in his assets), the President will take personal control of the case with the involvement of all available resources, and with a delay of another year and a half (in 2025) two 22350M and one Aframax will be laid in the new SV boathouse.

A year and a half in naval construction does not mean much, but, of course, I would like to see three FR (EM) pr. 22350M) - two at Severnaya Verf and one (plus one 22350) at Amur Shipyard.


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A year and a half in naval construction does not mean much, but, of course, I would like to see three FR (EM) pr. 22350M) - two at Severnaya Verf and one (plus one 22350) at Amur Shipyard. wrote:

So Podlodka, do you think that the keel for the first 22350M class ship will be in 2025? Will they disappear faster? If Amur can handle the production of frigates 22350 together with Severney, it should go faster.

Arrow Today at 9:26 am

So Podlodka, do you think that the keel for the first 22350M class ship will be in 2025? Will they disappear faster? If Amur can handle the production of frigates 22350 together with Severney, it should go faster.


Trust me, I don't know what to think.
And from the picture itself, you can see that the new boathouse is not even close to being finished.
Therefore, I think that in the best case we can hope that the first ship of the project 22350M will start to be built in 2024. In addition to all that, it should be added that a contract was signed at "Army-2020" for 2 more project 22350 frigates, the construction of which has not yet started.

I am not even sure that the construction of project 22350 frigates will be started in the Amur Shipyard this year ((probably the same next year too), because that shipyard laid the keels for 5 new corvettes from 23.08.2021 - 2 corvettes of project 20380 and 3 corvettes of project 20385 + according to the contract, they should lay the keel for one more corvette of project 20385.
What we can hope for are new contracts, while I'm not sure about the start of the construction of new frigates in this year, EXCEPT maybe to lay the keels for the two project 22350 frigates for which the contract was signed on "Army-2020" - if there is room for that in the boathouse in Severnaya Werf.

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February 9, 2023 at 14:40 Subject: Industry

Nizhny Novgorod shipyard received an order for five more floating berths for the Navy

The Ship Repair and Shipbuilding Corporation (SSC) has signed another contract with the RF Ministry of Defense for the supply of floating berths. According to the press service of the shipyard, the document was signed at the end of December 2022.


Floating semi-heavy reinforced concrete berth PZh-61M (project 824M)
JSC "Ship Repair and Shipbuilding Corporation"

It should be noted that in the spring of 2022, SSK received an order from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for two project 824M berths and two light-heavy metal berths of project PM61M1. The term for this contract is 2023–2024.

The project 824M berth provides simultaneous mooring of two surface ships with a displacement of up to 5,000 tons at a wind speed of up to 25 m/s or two submarines with a displacement of up to 6,000 tons with a wind speed of up to 40 m/s and a wave height of up to 0.7 meters.

The design of the berths provides for the supply of water, steam, high-purity water, high-pressure air and electricity from the shore, as well as maintaining telephone communication between the ship and the shore. Along the entire length of the berth, it is possible to carry out loading and unloading operations using cranes and loaders.

PJSC "Ship Repair and Shipbuilding Corporation" is located in Gorodets (Nizhny Novgorod region). According to the information and analytical service Kommersant. Kartoteka, the authorized capital of the enterprise is 60 million rubles.

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13 February 2023 at 11:20 Subject: Industry


The Court of Appeal confirmed the decision on the claim of "Pella" to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

The Ninth Arbitration Court of Appeal upheld the decision of the lower court, which recovered more than 2 billion rubles from the Russian Defense Ministry in favor of the Pella shipyard.

According to Delovoy Peterburg, the reason for the dispute was the contract for the supply of the first serial vessel of Project 11982 Ladoga, which was handed over to the military in September 2018. The shipyard's construction costs more than doubled the price set in the contract, and reached almost 3.3 billion rubles due to changes made to the project. Including the ship's hull became larger, autonomy doubled to 20 days, and the number of crew members increased from nine to 20 people.


Experimental vessel "Ladoga" (pr. 11982)
Air Base Forum

According to "Pella", the project was completely redesigned: "Ladoga" became not a serial, but a new ship that does not have prototypes. The shipyards promised to compensate for the costs after the delivery of the vessel at actual costs. But later the contract was closed at the old price. The Ministry of Defense refused to pay the balance because the Federal Antimonopoly Service did not agree on a change in the price of the contract.

After the examination, the court of first instance partially satisfied Pella's claim and recovered from the defendant an additional payment in the amount of more than 2 billion rubles. In turn, the appellate instance agreed with these conclusions. She noted that the shipyard fulfilled the contract in good faith, the price increased significantly at the initiative of the defendant, who also recognized the actual cost of Ladoga.

In addition, "as a result of the recovery of the actual cost of the vessel, the plaintiff does not receive any additional or illegal property benefit, but only restores the property balance that was disturbed by the behavior of the defendant," the court ruling says.

It also says that "the contract was concluded by the parties without approved technical documentation" and "as a result, neither the stipulated time nor the price can be considered as realistically achievable and feasible conditions."

The representative of the Ministry of Defense in the appeal pointed out that the shipyard had missed the statute of limitations, and also that the amount claimed by it for collection exceeded the price of the state contract, follows from the case file.

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https://www.korabel.ru/news/comments/uspeshno_zversheny_zavodskie_ispytaniya_podrulivayuschego_ustroystva_moschnostyu_1_mvt.html

"The tests took place in Nizhny Tagil on February 10. The thruster was manufactured by Ship Propulsion Complexes for the project 23900 ship."

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March 2, 2023 at 9:38 Subject: Industry

Sevmash has chosen a new personnel management strategy

A new personnel management strategy for PA "Sevmash" has been approved. According to the press service of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, it is designed until 2025 and is aimed not at increasing the number, like the previous document, but at maintaining it and improving the skills of the shipyard's workforce.
For several years, Sevmash has been actively recruiting workers and training personnel. At present, the required number has been reached, so the task of retaining personnel in production has become a priority, the USC press service emphasized.


"Sevmash"


Mikhail Korzin, head of the personnel department of the plant, noted the shortage of engineering specialists and stressed that such a shortage is observed not only at Sevmash, but also at other enterprises of the country. At the shipyard, to replenish the engineering and technical staff, work is organized with the leading universities of the country. The department of technical training attracts students from other regions for practice with the prospect of employment at Sevmash. Such work is being carried out, including in hard-to-find specialties.

The approach to the "plant-technical college" training system has changed. If earlier students worked in working specialties during their studies and, as a rule, after completing their studies, they remained in the same places, today practice after the third and subsequent courses is carried out as a technician or assistant master. This is an incentive for professional growth among engineering and technical workers. In addition, Sevmash introduced material support for such specialists, it is allocated for three years at the end of the year.

Within the framework of the developed strategy, work is underway with the personnel reserve, the first stage of the study of personnel involvement has been carried out. The second stage is scheduled for 2023, based on its results, work will be carried out with individual structural divisions of the shipyard.

Recall that Sevmash is building two series of fourth-generation nuclear submarines for the Russian Navy: project 885/885M multipurpose submarines (code "Ash/Ash-M") and strategic missile carriers of project 955/955A (code "Borey/Borey-A"). The shipyard also built two special-purpose nuclear submarines - Belgorod of project 09852 and Khabarovsk of project 09851. In July 2022, Belgorod was handed over to the fleet, and Khabarovsk is still being tested.

In addition, modernization of the heavy nuclear missile cruiser Admiral Nakhimov continues at Sevmash. Its return to service is expected in 2024.

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https://flot.com/2023/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%883/ wrote:Recall that Sevmash is building two series of fourth-generation nuclear submarines for the Russian Navy: project 885/885M multipurpose submarines (code "Ash/Ash-M") and strategic missile carriers of project 955/955A (code "Borey/Borey-A"). The shipyard also built two special-purpose nuclear submarines - Belgorod of project 09852 and Khabarovsk of project 09851. In July 2022, Belgorod was handed over to the fleet, and Khabarovsk is still being tested.

Does this mean that Khabarovsk has left the boat house?

The FLOTPROM site repeated this claim back in Oct 2022 but still not a single corroborating piccie of the boat, not even satellite imagery. Little option but to assume its yet to be launched.

lancelot wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:The Russians should give up landing ships and instead build corvettes and frigates at Yantar. The best Russian shipyard for building surface warships is Baltic, but that shipyard is busy with the construction of nuclear icebreakers. Sevmash is not a problem, only money is needed. For God's sake, Sevmash has 30,000 workers.
The only thing I care about is speeding up the construction of Multipurpose Nuclear Submarines (SSGNs) while everything else is priority #2.

I cannot figure out why they decided to spend money on the landing ships at Yantar either. Maybe they were unhappy with the Ivan Gren design and wanted to figure out a new design which is more suitable? At the same time they did not even have gas turbines to put in frigates back then. They had several frigate hulls waiting for engines at Severnaya Verf as it was. The only viable alternative would have been to build corvettes I think.

Podlodka77 wrote:To Lancelot.....

Well, my friend, of all the bad decisions, the decision to build the project 11711 landing ships in Yantar is the worst.
Considering that I don't see at all in which campaign any Russian fleet will participate, I would build landing ships at some other time.
Russia needs corvettes, frigates and above all nuclear submarines - everything else can wait.

I am replying to a discussion from the 20380 thread and posting it here because this is a more appropriate thread for the discussion.

Hi Podlodka77, again I disagree. It is another interesting topic however.

First of all landing ships are fundamental and very useful  Soviet union had many. Russia produced only a couple of them in the last 30 years and most of them were retired and the remaining ones are very long in the tooth.

A navy does not need only cool expensive ships. It needs also workhorses.

Yantar was the only shipyard in Russia with experience in building landing ships as there, in addition to destroyers also many landing ships of the alligator class (project 1171, about 4000 tons full load displacement) and 3 ships of the much larger Ivan rogov class (project 1174, up to 14000 tons full load) were built.
So it made perfectly sense to build landing ships there.

The problem with Ivan green class was also that the customer (Russian navy) changed the requirements many times after the ship was being built.

Anyway, most of the landing ships that were built in Yantar are now retired. Now only 3 remains. In addition there are about 15 project 775, ropucha class still in service. Those had similar size and displacement as alligator class, but were built in Danzig (Poland).

I believe the new modified Ivan gren class (3rd and 4th ships of the series) should be comparable in characteristics and displacements to the Italian San Giorgio class (around 8000 tons).

If so a few of those would complete very well the amphibious needs of russian navy, together with the new amphibious assault ships/helicopter carriers being built in Kerch and ideally a decent number of a modern equivalent to Alligator class or ropucha class with about 4000 tons displacement.

Those amphibious ships could also built in Nikolaev while they re-learn how to build navy ships.

So after Novorussia is fully liberated a rebuilt (hoping that its modernisation/rebuilding is better managed than what happened to severnaya verf) 61 Communara (Nikolaev north shipyard) could restart building large corvettes, before being promoted to larger ships.

The black sea shipyard, after removing the remains of the grain terminal can also be rebuilt/ modernised (they probably can still use a part of it to build smaller ships while the large drydocks are rebuilt).

In that case a new landing ship like a modern equivalent of ropucha class could be a good starting point since it is something that the navy needs and should not contain too much difficult technology.

That shipyard had several bad periods (after the soviet revolution it was derelict for several years, until the soviet decided to rebuild their fleet, and again after WW2 it was badly damaged, but I think that the worse had been peacetime independent Ukraine), so I believe it will rise again like a phoenix.

То RODION...

I am in favor of Russia building "strike" ships, ie corvettes and frigates.
I don't even need to mention submarines, because it is clear to you that I am the biggest advocate of building SSGN submarines on this whole forum.
I just wrote my opinion, which is not authoritative at all, of course, and I think that if anything can wait, it is landing ships.
Unfortunately, the construction of ships in the Yantar shipyard is also delayed...

;interview with Rakhmanov in the context of the IMDS-2023

https://tass.ru/interviews/18070279

LMFS wrote:;interview with Rakhmanov in the context of the IMDS-2023

https://tass.ru/interviews/18070279

Thanks LMFS.

I found especially these two parts very interesting.

Mariupol shipyard

Does USC plan to participate in the restoration of the Mariupol shipyard?

- The Azov Shipyard, located in the city of Mariupol, is a large enterprise with significant potential. Plans for using this potential, restoring production activities and, in the future, loading this enterprise with orders are being formed at the level of the Ministry of Industry and Trade.

The USC was given the task of helping the specialists of this enterprise restore their lost competencies and acquire new ones necessary for working in the system of the shipbuilding and ship repair industry in Russia. Perhaps there will be other tasks. We will solve them as they come. The leadership of the DPR also has certain plans for this site.

Possibly in addition to that shipyard they could also build a brand new one in part of the territory of the former azovstal plant.


Personnel issues

It's no secret that our defense industry is experiencing quite serious problems with trained personnel at various levels. How is this problem solved at USC enterprises? Are there any new solutions to this issue?

- In matters of personnel training, almost any new solutions are well-forgotten old ones. In the years that shipbuilders consider their "golden age" - the 50-70s of the XX century - in the process of creating a new generation of the Navy, an industry elite was formed at the country's enterprises - both engineering and working. The traditions of this shipbuilding elite in the cities where USC enterprises operate are alive to this day.

And of course, good examples should be used to prepare new personnel. Enterprises and design bureaus of the corporation support existing and establish new partnerships with educational institutions in the regions of presence. "Engineering classes" are being created in schools, career guidance events are being held at factories - "Weeks without turnstiles", during which schoolchildren and college students get an idea about the profession and future employment opportunities. Students of higher education institutions of specialized specialties take part in competitions organized by the USC, and have internships at enterprises.

We also pay great attention to preserving the experience of enterprises - the museums of the USC group companies have repeatedly taken high places in the all-Russian competitions of corporate museums.

But the most important thing is the understanding that work at shipyards, factories and design bureaus is now very necessary for the country. Today, in the context of a tense international situation, the employees of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, as well as other companies in the military-industrial complex, are acutely aware of their collective responsibility for the future of our country. This motivates young people to improve their skills in order to make their personal contribution to the construction of the Russian Navy. The traditions of this shipbuilding elite in the cities where USC enterprises operate are alive to this day

Furthermore I also believe that offering new jobs (and proper training and internships) for the shipbuilding industry in Nikolaev, Kherson and in the rest of Novorossia (not only in shipyards, but also in all the rest of possible companies belonging to the supply chain) will help the re-integration of those regions in the russian federation

June 21, 05:08
USC designers are ready to develop projects for "drone-carrying ships"
On the eve of the International Naval Salon, Alexei Rakhmanov, CEO of the holding, said that promising projects for new surface and submarine ships are constantly being developed by design bureaus, both by order and on their own initiative.

"The fact that now many countries of the world are developing crewless ships and vessels, and also thinking about the projects of the ship, which, in accordance with the rules of the Russian language, will have to be called a" drone carrier ", is not a secret. But is such development being carried out within the USC perimeter, all the more at what enterprise such ships can be built is still a secret," Rakhmanov said, answering a question.

He noted that the corporation's design bureaus are capable of solving such problems, and the results of their work are brought to the attention of the command of the Navy and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

According to the head of the USC, promising projects for new surface and submarine ships are being developed by design bureaus on an ongoing basis, both by order and on their own initiative. "There are also breakthrough solutions among them. The task facing the shipbuilder is to hand over the ship to the customer on time and with the specified technical characteristics. When the customer sets them, he can take into account technological innovations, scientific achievements, new types of weapons," Rakhmanov added. .

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/18073959

The pr.14400 naval helicopter operations training ship that is in construction can be the basis of an inexpensive drone carrier.
Load it with GERANs, LANCETs and other UAVs and dispatch it to make trouble to any country that does not want to listen to Lavrov.

VTB bank will manage United Shipbuilding Corporation. Let's see how it goes.

Putin supported the transfer of the United Shipbuilding Corporation to VTB management

https://translated.turbopages.org/proxy_u/ru-en.en.9dd43d0c-64d5569d-fc47ed1f-74722d776562/https/bmpd.livejournal.com/4736219.html

Contracts for the construction of ships will be concluded only by the head office of USC - Andrey Kostin
September 13, 2023

VTB Bank plans to radically restructure the work of the management of the United Shipbuilding Corporation . This was stated during the Eastern Economic Forum on September 12 by the head of VTB and the new chairman of the board of directors of USC Andrei Kostin.

“Today the company is, by and large, a collection of individual shipyards that enter into contracts themselves. This won't happen again. We will transfer the customer function [to the head office], contracts will be signed through the head office, and the shipyards will be the production sites. There will be a major reform of the management system,” Business Petersburg quotes Andrei Kostin.

Also, the head of VTB and USC complained about the lack of “normal reporting” by the corporation and said that for the last 10 years the corporation has worked “like a financial pyramid.”

“Audit - once. Additional capitalization - two. Replacement of the control system - three. I think these are priority tasks,” summed up Andrei Kostin.

In the future - modernization of production, introduction of new technologies.

“And gradually, in the next year, we will develop one and a half necessary projects to modernize production, determine where modernization will be carried out, which enterprises need to be modernized, what needs to be done, with whom we will do it, so that in two years we can conditionally begin to introduce new technology, maybe even build new shipyards,” summed up Andrei Kostin.

Let us remind you that before the new year, VTB plans to complete a financial audit of USC’s activities, after which personnel decisions will be made for each enterprise.

Commenting on this process, Andrei Kostin said that there will certainly be an update of the staff: “If the system is changing, then, probably, people are required who are suitable for the new functions, so there will be changes”

https://paluba.media/news/56520