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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:15 am

    Part of construction for drilling platform for the Arctic.
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    Post  Hole Sun Jan 09, 2022 7:18 pm

    Isn´t the navy yard separate from Zvezda?

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    (the two greyish buildings to the left)

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sun Jan 09, 2022 7:29 pm

    Hole wrote:Isn´t the navy yard separate from Zvezda?

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    (the two greyish buildings to the left)

    It is, probably. I think that one of 949A submarines is visible by those buildings.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:16 am

    Podlodka77 wrote:
    Hole wrote:Isn´t the navy yard separate from Zvezda?

    It is, probably. I think that one of 949A submarines is visible by those buildings.

    K-442 Chelyabinsk if I am not mistaken. Waiting her turn in the boathouse for modernisation to 949AM once K-132 Irtuksk vacates the slot.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Mon Jan 10, 2022 1:08 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Podlodka77 wrote:
    Hole wrote:Isn´t the navy yard separate from Zvezda?

    It is, probably. I think that one of 949A submarines is visible by those buildings.

    K-442 Chelyabinsk if I am not mistaken.  Waiting her turn in the boathouse for modernisation to 949AM once K-132 Irtuksk vacates the slot.

    K-442 Chelyabinsk is in the water, yes, but K-132 Irkutsk is parallel with that building on picture. Its that or i am going crazy... Smile
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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:12 am

    Podlodka77 wrote:K-442 Chelyabinsk is in the water, yes, but K-132 Irkutsk is parallel with that building on picture. Its that or i am going crazy... Smile

    Trying to date the photo... seems to be Winter 2018, no tanker fabs yet started. Google earth shows that in May 2017 the K-132 was in that slot, probably waiting to go into the boathouse, but she was no longer there in Feb 2018 and the slot looks filled with what looks like a small vessel or two and a jumble of containers (?). Poor winter lighting at low angle, very hard to tell.

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    Post  Hole Mon Jan 10, 2022 1:38 pm

    Old pic. I just wanted to make the point that the yard that refurbishes the subs is separate from Zvezda.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:37 am

    Trying to date the photo... seems to be Winter 2018, no tanker fabs yet started.

    Tell the photo how rare it is to find a beautiful photo that is also funny and smart...
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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Jan 12, 2022 1:00 pm

    12 января 2022 в 11:36
    The head of the "Baltiyskiy Zavod" revealed plans to modernize production

    The modernization of the production facilities of the Baltiyskiy Zavod will significantly increase the weight of sections and blocks from which vessels and ships are assembled. The general director of the enterprise Alexey Kadilov told about this in an interview with Vedomosti. "If we are now assembling a ship from sections weighing 75 tons, then after modernization we will be able to assemble ships from blocks weighing 500-600 tons," he said.

    According to him, this will require building a block manufacturing workshop. The currently used technology for picking orders on an open slipway is associated with large losses.

    In addition, according to the joint plans of the Baltiysky Zavod and the United Shipbuilding Corporation, as part of the modernization, a pipe-copper shop will be built for the manufacture of pipelines and ship systems. The shop's products will be able to be used not only by the Baltic Shipyard, but also by other shipbuilding enterprises of the North-West region.

    Recall that Alexey Kadilov first spoke about the plans to modernize the enterprise at the V International Arctic Summit in June this year. According to the shipyard's management, the introduction of large-block construction will reduce the order production cycle by up to one and a half years and reduce labor intensity by about 25%. In addition, it will be possible to achieve a 2-fold increase in the productivity of slipway production and ensure an increase in the technical readiness of orders during the withdrawal of up to 96–98%.

    "The implementation of measures for reconstruction and modernization will allow the plant to enter the high-volume construction of large-tonnage equipment: icebreakers of various projects, cruisers, tankers, multi-purpose ships, floating nuclear power units and cruise liners," the Baltic plant representatives said at the timе...


    CRUISERS, they have not forgotten that they have built 1144 ORLAN class in the past Wink Very Happy

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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:39 pm

    The Primorsky shipbuilding plant "Yantar" expects to receive a new floating dock in the near future. This was announced in an interview with TASS by the general director of the enterprise Ilya Samarin.

    "In the near future, the construction of two very important facilities - a new hull processing shop and a floating dock for our own needs," he said. According to Ilya Samarin, work on the modernization of production facilities at Yantar is going "quite successfully."

    "We are completing the first stage of modernization - the technical re-equipment of two main production facilities, within which more than 200 units of modern equipment were purchased and put into operation. Modernization of production increases our competitiveness and productivity, and also improves the working conditions of factory workers," added the head of Yantar.

    Ilya Samarin recalled that the reconstruction of the outbuilding embankments is ongoing. According to him, the reconstruction of the embankments will increase the number of orders and reduce the time of their implementation.

    "The implementation of these plans will significantly increase the capabilities of the plant and strengthen our position in the shipbuilding market," the general director of the shipyard emphasized.

    In the interests of the Russian Navy, Yantar is building a pair of large landing ships of the modernized project 11711 with increased dimensions and a larger displacement. In addition, the plant provides repair of ships and vessels of the Baltic Fleet. Work continues under the contract for the supply of two Project 11356 frigates to the Indian Navy.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:43 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Podlodka77 wrote:K-442 Chelyabinsk is in the water, yes, but K-132 Irkutsk is parallel with that building on picture. Its that or i am going crazy... Smile

    Trying to date the photo... seems to be Winter 2018, no tanker fabs yet started.  Google earth shows that in May 2017 the K-132 was in that slot, probably waiting to go into the boathouse, but she was no longer there in Feb 2018 and the slot looks filled with what looks like a small vessel or two and a jumble of containers (?). Poor winter lighting at low angle, very hard to tell.

    Big Gazza, problem is solved... ! Wink
    GARRY B. would like to see at least 2 aircraft carriers in construction here, i am sure..
    This is a large shipyard and its still growing. It is so large that 949A Antey class is almost invisible and K-132 Irkutsk in previous picture.


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    Post  Autodestruct Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:59 am

    Russian shipbuilders are jumping into the "digital twin" concept too.


    TSAMTO, January 12. For the first time in Russia, a digital mock-up of a nuclear submarine has been created at Sevmash (part of USC).

    The project was implemented within the framework of a single design and production space created by the enterprise and four design bureaus.

    The innovative technology was introduced by specialists of Sevmash, design bureaus "Severnoye PKB", "Rubin", "Malachite" and "Almaz". In the process, reverse engineering technologies, volumetric laser scanning were used, optical-electronic measurement tools were introduced. New technologies have made it possible to avoid costly and labor-intensive alterations. To introduce innovations, workplaces were re-equipped, software was purchased and installed, information and database transmission channels were established. The staff was trained in new methods of design and production preparation.

    Based on a three-dimensional model of a submarine developed by Sevmash specialists, technological documentation for the manufacture of hull structures was issued, pipeline laying routes were designed, information for bending pipes on numerically controlled machines was exported, equipment was placed and the assembly and operation processes of complex mechanical engineering products were simulated.

    The pilot project has shown its effectiveness. Thanks to digitalization and three-dimensional modeling, the accuracy of calculations and the efficiency of design and technological preparation of processes, as well as the degree of elaboration, have been significantly increased. The results were approved by the project Management Committee, Sevmash CEO Mikhail Budnichenko and USC CEO Alexey Rakhmanov.

    Now the company is scaling up the project, new technologies and tools are being systematically introduced in production. Sevmash holds a leading position in the industry in reverse engineering and laser scanning technologies.

    As noted in the press service of JSC "PO "Sevmash", digital interaction began in 2016. The task of implementing the pilot zone was implemented under the control of USC as one of the priorities.

    Simulate it before you use the resources to build it (or change it).

    https://vpk.name/en/571419_a-digital-model-of-the-submarine-was-created-at-sevmash.html

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:28 am

    Big Gazza, problem is solved... ! Wink
    GARRY B. would like to see at least 2 aircraft carriers in construction here, i am sure..

    No point laying them down until they have new destroyers and new cruisers in construction... so no point in laying any down before 2027-8, which means no CVN operational before about 2034-5.


    Simulate it before you use the resources to build it (or change it).

    If that is what the Americans used to develop LCA, Zumwalt and Ford class ships I wouldn't get too excited...

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    Post  lancelot Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:48 am

    GarryB wrote:If that is what the Americans used to develop LCA, Zumwalt and Ford class ships I wouldn't get too excited...

    There is only so much you can simulate. You can get an idea on how to optimize internal space, etc, but it is no help your propulsion does not work properly or there are unexpected corrosion issues.
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    Post  Podlodka77 Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:13 pm

    12 navies with the largest total displacement.


    List for 01.01.2022;
    Russia; 808 400 tons (2,2% increase compared to 2021), for the next column I don't know what it means - Dcp (t), total number of ships, average age of the ship is 24,9 years.
    1. ПЛАРБ - SSBN,
    2. ПЛАРК - SSGN,
    3. PLA - SSN,
    4. ПЛ - SSK,
    5. АВ - AC (aircraft carrier),
    6. АВЛ - light aircraft carrier,
    7. КР - CG (cruiser),
    8. ЗМ - DDG (destroyer),
    9. ФР- FR (frigate),
    10. КРВ - corvettes,
    11. УДК - large landing ships ,
    12. ДВКД - amphibious assault ships,
    13. ДКД - dock landing ships,
    14. ТДК - tank landing ships.

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    List for 01.01.2021;

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    Post  Navy fanboy Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:31 am

    Are the Russians still planning on building Lider class? i see they reactivate it, but then they are looking at Enlarged Gorshkov. So hard to see what their plans are around destroyers and cruisers
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    Post  LMFS Fri Feb 11, 2022 8:06 am

    Not hard, you have all the relevant statements from officials and strategic documents in the corresponding threads. The short version is that Russia needs a serious blue water fleet and they will get it.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Feb 11, 2022 9:33 pm

    Navy fanboy wrote:Are the Russians still planning on building Lider class? i see they reactivate it, but then they are looking at Enlarged Gorshkov. So hard to see what their plans are around destroyers and cruisers

    Super Gorshkov is called frigate but in terms of size it will be destroyer in all but name

    Lider is on back burner, Gorshkovs are priority
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    Post  Isos Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:31 pm

    I saw on wiki they will be getting 2 Gorshkov per year starting 2025. I hope they don't ruin the Gorshkov's production for an oversized Gorshkov that will take much longer to build. Gorshkov need 6 years and 2 other for accepting it into service.

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    Post  walle83 Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:27 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:12 navies with the largest total displacement.


    List for 01.01.2022;
    Russia; 808 400 tons (2,2% increase compared to 2021), for the next column I don't know what it means - Dcp (t), total number of ships, average age of the ship is 24,9 years.
    1. ПЛАРБ - SSBN,
    2. ПЛАРК - SSGN,
    3. PLA - SSN,
    4. ПЛ - SSK,
    5. АВ - AC (aircraft carrier),
    6. АВЛ - light aircraft carrier,
    7. КР - CG (cruiser),
    8. ЗМ - DDG (destroyer),
    9. ФР- FR (frigate),
    10. КРВ - corvettes,
    11. УДК - large landing ships ,
    12. ДВКД - amphibious assault ships,
    13. ДКД - dock landing ships,
    14. ТДК - tank landing ships.

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    List for 01.01.2021;

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    It say China has 8 corvettes in 2022? Should be like 70.
    And Russia 10?
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    Post  GarryB Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:42 am

    The enlarged Gorshkov Frigate is just what the Russian Navy asked for in terms of changes and upgrades to the design after getting some experience with them.

    We don't know but can probably expect the enlarged ships will be Frigates and will be the standard Gorshkov type.

    Once they have the enlarged Gorshkovs in the water they can look at the results and make some better decisions about their new destroyers and eventually their new cruisers.

    The current small Gorshkovs wont be scrapped obviously and are capable boats, but I suspect they might be used in the Med and Black Sea and Baltic Sea areas, while the bigger frigates might be used in the Northern Fleet and the Pacific Fleets... the difference is not fundamental... they don't have different missiles or anything that would make them completely different.

    What they need is ship designs that are accepted and proven so they can put them into serial production, which means much faster production because there are no surprises and no problems to solve... you just make them.
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    Post  RTN Sat Feb 12, 2022 9:25 am

    GarryB wrote:What they need is ship designs that are accepted and proven so they can put them into serial production, which means much faster production because there are no surprises and no problems to solve... you just make them.
    Agreed.

    I do not know how carrier groups add any value in the modern battlefield. Maybe that's why Russia is not all that keen in acquiring 2 or 3 aircraft carriers. Anti ship ballistic missiles will neutralize any carrier group.

    These days navies need air to air defence cued by various sensors including space to clean up surface threats, SSGNs for a submerged arsenal ship punch, SSNs for hunter role , Navy, AirForce joint swing role heavy bomber force on land , UUVs as eyes and ears and LPH asw fast ship to defeat submarine threat
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    Post  calripson Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:19 pm

    RTN wrote:
    GarryB wrote:What they need is ship designs that are accepted and proven so they can put them into serial production, which means much faster production because there are no surprises and no problems to solve... you just make them.
    Agreed.

    I do not know how carrier groups add any value in the modern battlefield. Maybe that's why Russia is not all that keen in acquiring 2 or 3 aircraft carriers. Anti ship ballistic missiles will neutralize any carrier group.

    These days navies need air to air defence cued by various sensors including space to clean up surface threats, SSGNs for a submerged arsenal ship punch, SSNs for hunter role , Navy, AirForce joint swing role heavy bomber force on land , UUVs as eyes and ears and LPH asw fast ship to defeat submarine threat

    Against a peer competitor, carriers are targets, not assets. They are white elephants. Distributed lethality is the way to go.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:34 am

    I do not know how carrier groups add any value in the modern battlefield. Maybe that's why Russia is not all that keen in acquiring 2 or 3 aircraft carriers. Anti ship ballistic missiles will neutralize any carrier group.

    We saw in Afghanistan what the US forces and in fact HATO forces are like without air power for three months before they evacuated... they collapsed and ceased to be an effective force and their surrogate forces collapsed just as fast... which is not real surprise considering they learned to fight the US way with air dominance clearing the path and wiping their asses for them.

    Why do you think Russian naval groups should operate without air power?

    Russia is not laying down fixed wing aircraft carriers but they haven't scrapped the Kuznetsov either...

    If Kiev invades the Donbass and Lugansk regions with a plan to take the Crimea back next should Russia send in their Army or should it be a combined force that includes Army and Aerospace Defence forces and even her Navy?

    In this day and age just using your army alone or your navy alone or your airforce alone does not make sense... they are all rather more powerful and effective when working together.

    Not only are the more powerful but also they will take fewer losses... the Falklands war showed mini carriers are not great on their own but still better than nothing... The Soviets and Britain learned their lessons then and future carrier projects from both countries are all bigger... accident?

    Without carriers the Malvinas would be Argentinian. With full sized fixed wing carriers like the Ark Royal and they would not have lost as many ships as they did... and probably would have saved a lot of lives and money... the risky long range bombing strike by the Vulcans would not have been needed, their ship based Buccs could have done a much better job IMHO.

    These days navies need air to air defence cued by various sensors including space to clean up surface threats, SSGNs for a submerged arsenal ship punch, SSNs for hunter role , Navy, AirForce joint swing role heavy bomber force on land , UUVs as eyes and ears and LPH asw fast ship to defeat submarine threat

    Arsenal ships would be more use for wars and invasions... the Russian Navy will be mostly for ensuring open sea lines of communication (SLOC) for Russian trade.... essentially to stop the US or UK or France or the west trying to blockade and regime change a country that wants to improve or increase trade with Russia.

    If Russia has no navy then it will be isolated and suffocated economically.

    Against a peer competitor, carriers are targets, not assets. They are white elephants. Distributed lethality is the way to go.

    Bullshit.

    Russian airfields and Su-57s and A-100s will make Russian airspace safer, not weaker with more targets for HATO to defeat...

    Distributed lethality means everyone has MANPADS.... how could that have worked out in Kosovo... I can understand the west suggesting it for the Russians but for the Russians it makes little sense.

    BTW it is amusing western experts saying Russia can't afford aircraft carriers... they can't afford US aircraft carriers, but they can't afford not to have Russian ones... that would be like not having S-300 or S-400 or S-500 or S-550s because they are too big and easy to spot by satellite and therefore they will be sitting duck targets to drone swarms.

    The thing is that these drone swarms don't exist yet and part of the solution to any attack is a strong defence... having two dozen Su-57 supported by another four dozen MiG-35 or 5th gen equivalent carrier based fighters plus AWACS on board a couple of carriers makes their defences very very strong.

    This is not about invading countries or taking on US carrier fleets, this is about being able to go anywhere on the planet and be sure of what is in the airspace bubble of about 800km around your group of ships down to sea level... that means modern fighters and modern AWACS... take those away and you make your naval group much much weaker unless they can all submerge when under missile attack.... which would be stupid because when submerged they would be totally useless and blind.

    An aircraft carrier is like an attack helicopter... if you use it as designed as a standoff system with powerful weapons that the target will likely never even see then they are fantastic if a little expensive. If you send helicopters into unknown territory without defend suppression then you are going to lose some helicopters in stupid ways... like farmers with bolt action rifles shooting through flimsy weak side canopy windows that are not ball point pen proof let alone bullet proof.

    Russian fixed wing carriers are air defence carriers and would be used exclusively to defend the ships and subs it operates with using AWACS, fighters, and anti sub systems like helicopters and drones etc etc.

    By the time the west has hypersonic manouvering missiles, Russia will have naval S-400 and S-500 and 10 to 15 years experience of trying to deal with manouvering hypersonic threats like Iskander... A carrier would make any surface group safer and not more vulnerable.

    Not to mention the lasers they are working on, which they have in service... nuclear powered carriers and cruisers would be ideal platforms for such weapons... they don't need to obliterate a target, just fry its brains so it runs blind and stupid...
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    Reportage from Sevmash, includes:
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