Rodion_Romanovic wrote:the problems were a lot: lack of funds, lack of stable orders (basically no new orders for both civilian and surface naval ships for almost two decades), some of the biggest shipyards that ended up in a foreign country, the only naval gas turbine plant (also main producer of reduction gears and possibly was also producing some of the diesel engines) also ended up abroad. This also caused the loss of an incredible number of experienced professionals that were not replaced in the years. Furthermore much of the building technologies and techniques were not modernised and not at the latest standarf of, as an example, modern.western and south Korean shipyards. Some of the personnel problems were also shared by some.sectors of the aeronautical industry (see Ilyushin).SeigSoloyvov wrote:GarryB wrote:Lol their record speaks for it's self.
From the squealing of some members on this forum you would think the Russian military was ordering like the Chinese government, and the Russian shipyards were delivering nothing at all.
There have been a few delays, and a few issues, but all these salty tears are fanboy tears that they can brag about the navy...
Just sad really.
Yeah yeah white knight all you want Garry numbers speak the truth people do not, that's one reason I always liked math it doesn't give you BS or try and Feed you BS from whatever biased position you wish to take. It's the cold hard truth is all.
A day will come where russia doesn't have a shipbuilding problem and when it does good for them. I hope the day comes sooner rather than later but that day isn't today or tomorrow.
What would you have done better, starting from let say 2008, to improve the situation?
(Short of taking a time machine, going back to 1985 and replacing Gorbachev with Nazarbayev?)
You forgot to add bad management and a few other things but yes those are some of their issues.
That's hard to say, I know what they did wrong and I know how to correct does that mean I would do better? maybe not maybe so. I can't really answer a question like that with a yes or no.
I deal in reality what in what's if or maybes.
I have said Putin needs to take the guy who runs PELLA and put him in charge of the entire USC because it's current management has shown to be incompetent and corrupt, that guy knows how to get the job done.