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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:27 am

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    Lol their record speaks for it's self.

    From the squealing of some members on this forum you would think the Russian military was ordering like the Chinese government, and the Russian shipyards were delivering nothing at all.

    There have been a few delays, and a few issues, but all these salty tears are fanboy tears that they can brag about the navy...

    Just sad really.

    Yeah yeah white knight all you want Garry numbers speak the truth people do not, that's one reason I always liked math it doesn't give you BS or try and Feed you BS from whatever biased position you wish to take. It's the cold hard truth is all.

    A day will come where russia doesn't have a shipbuilding problem and when it does good for them. I hope the day comes sooner rather than later but that day isn't today or tomorrow.
     the problems were a lot: lack of funds, lack of stable orders (basically no new orders for both civilian and surface naval ships for almost two decades), some of the biggest shipyards that ended up in a foreign country, the only naval gas turbine plant (also main producer of reduction gears and possibly was also producing some of the diesel engines) also ended up abroad. This also caused the loss of an incredible number of experienced professionals that were not replaced in the years. Furthermore much of the building technologies and techniques were not modernised and not at the latest standarf of, as an example, modern.western and south Korean shipyards. Some of the personnel problems were also shared by some.sectors of the aeronautical industry (see Ilyushin).

    What would you have done better, starting from let say 2008, to improve the situation?


    (Short of taking a time machine, going back to 1985 and replacing Gorbachev with Nazarbayev?)


    You forgot to add bad management and a few other things but yes those are some of their issues.

    That's hard to say, I know what they did wrong and I know how to correct does that mean I would do better? maybe not maybe so. I can't really answer a question like that with a yes or no.

    I deal in reality what in what's if or maybes.

    I have said Putin needs to take the guy who runs PELLA and put him in charge of the entire USC because it's current management has shown to be incompetent and corrupt, that guy knows how to get the job done.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:47 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    Lol their record speaks for it's self.

    From the squealing of some members on this forum you would think the Russian military was ordering like the Chinese government, and the Russian shipyards were delivering nothing at all.

    There have been a few delays, and a few issues, but all these salty tears are fanboy tears that they can brag about the navy...

    Just sad really.

    Yeah yeah white knight all you want Garry numbers speak the truth people do not, that's one reason I always liked math it doesn't give you BS or try and Feed you BS from whatever biased position you wish to take. It's the cold hard truth is all.

    A day will come where russia doesn't have a shipbuilding problem and when it does good for them. I hope the day comes sooner rather than later but that day isn't today or tomorrow.
     the problems were a lot: lack of funds, lack of stable orders (basically no new orders for both civilian and surface naval ships for almost two decades), some of the biggest shipyards that ended up in a foreign country, the only naval gas turbine plant (also main producer of reduction gears and possibly was also producing some of the diesel engines) also ended up abroad. This also caused the loss of an incredible number of experienced professionals that were not replaced in the years. Furthermore much of the building technologies and techniques were not modernised and not at the latest standarf of, as an example, modern.western and south Korean shipyards. Some of the personnel problems were also shared by some.sectors of the aeronautical industry (see Ilyushin).

    What would you have done better, starting from let say 2008, to improve the situation?


    (Short of taking a time machine, going back to 1985 and replacing Gorbachev with Nazarbayev?)


    You forgot to add bad management and a few other things but yes those are some of their issues.

    That's hard to say, I know what they did wrong and I know how to correct does that mean I would do better? maybe not maybe so. I can't really answer a question like that with a yes or no.

    I deal in reality what in what's if or maybes.

    I have said Putin needs to take the guy who runs PELLA and put him in charge of the entire USC because it's current management has shown to be incompetent and corrupt, that guy knows how to get the job done.

    Being a good plant manager does not mean one will also be a good manager for a much bigger organization, it would be like promoting a platoon commander to a general role.
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    Post  Truck Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:19 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    hoom wrote:https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3609282.html
    Interesting stuff about staffing the big Zvezda shipyard in the East.

    Namely they're nicking staff from a bunch of other shipyards.
    Which could partially explain slowdown in output from other yards.

    This is very good development russia

    Efficient shipyards will attract qualified workforce, this is how you properly populate Far East

    It's a win-win situation thumbsup

    Navy can now finally capitalize on this by ordering combat ships from Zvezda

    And which important military ship will be ordered to the Zvezda shipyard?

    Chop, chop... Cool

    Reality coming like a truck, like Eehnie predicted welcome
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    Post  Isos Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:26 pm

    Is it allowed to have two account on this forum ? Truck is clearly Ehniee or his friend that came to troll and repeat bs said by the original retard ehniee.

    Can mods check his IP or simply ban him ?
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:40 am

    Truck wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    hoom wrote:https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3609282.html
    Interesting stuff about staffing the big Zvezda shipyard in the East.

    Namely they're nicking staff from a bunch of other shipyards.
    Which could partially explain slowdown in output from other yards.

    This is very good development russia

    Efficient shipyards will attract qualified workforce, this is how you properly populate Far East

    It's a win-win situation thumbsup

    Navy can now finally capitalize on this by ordering combat ships from Zvezda

    And which important military ship will be ordered to the Zvezda shipyard?

    Chop, chop... Cool

    Reality coming like a truck, like Eehnie predicted welcome

    Nothing he has said as come true if you are talking about those landing ships.

    The original planned called for having more than four, which is the plan you, I mean he cites all the time.

    If you are implying they are going to start building a carrier, then you just have delusional as him
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    Post  kvs Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:01 am

    It looks like Americans and NATO denizens in general are afflicted with the wishful thinking fantasy projection disease.
    They really think that if they trash talk about Russia hard enough that reality will deform to suit their desires.
    Pathetic clowns.

    If it was 2004, then these "skeptics" (more like deniers) would have some plausibility in their nay saying. But not
    today. Recall the chicken little forecasts about the Banderastani termination of the supply of specific models of gas turbines
    two years ago on this forum. According to the "skeptics" Russia was never going to replace these obsolete models
    and would have to shop for Chinese ones. Now that this BS has been exposed as utterly detached from reality we
    have round two of chicken little predictions about how Russia can't build these engines. WTF. Get a frigging life
    you clowns. Russia can build jet engines and gas turbines, but just not these specific models that it has developed?

    How much more of this troll crap will we have to wade through to get any value out of these threads. Either post
    something substantial or GTFO. Your wishful thinking is totally irrelevant.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:42 pm

    I deal in reality what in what's if or maybes.

    But that is the thing... you don't.

    You are standing on the outside saying the Russians shouldn't have relied on Ukrainian engines, and they should have done this or that... it is easy to do what you do and say... hey... this design was late and wasn't made on time and then dismiss any actual reason as an excuse and just not good enough.

    Managing a real ship yard is not that easy... you have a team of workers... some might be great and some might just be OK but after 15 years of not making anything at all, and all of a sudden you get a contract to make the Ivan Gren, which is a scaled up river boat design they want for open ocean operations, you don't design it yourself... you are a shipyard... you follow the plans and build the ship, but then they decide to go with Mistrals from France half way through so you stop work and start working on other things, and then after a few years the Mistrals suddenly are not coming so you have to restart production, but the design has changed again... you don't know what possible problems their might be until you get it in to the water and do some factory tests and then you find that in the confusion there is something wrong with the way the engines are installed so you have to take it out of the water and reinstall them which takes more time and finally you get everything the way it is supposed to be on the plans and you hand it over to the Navy and they take it for a spin and say it is not what they want... were you supposed to be able to look at the plans and say this wont do what you want it to do and redesign the fucking thing yourself?

    BTW you also need to deal with the banks because you need to buy hardware and services and train workers and buy new tooling and machinery to help you complete this contract but they don't give you the full payment up front... so you need loans and you need reliable contractors and at the same time you need to keep your skilled workers or other shipyards will poach them...

    Most importantly... just because you run the shipyard does not give you any say in who makes the engines you need.. that is part of the plan specs... equally you have no control over what the customer wants... which can change over a period of 5-10 years. You just build the boat according to the plans you are given with the money you are given. You are not able to control the SAM makers or the radar makers or the engine makers or the cruise missile weapon makers... you just install everything and then leave it to the contractors to get things working...


    I have said Putin needs to take the guy who runs PELLA and put him in charge of the entire USC because it's current management has shown to be incompetent and corrupt, that guy knows how to get the job done.

    That guy might be working with a good management team that he can trust and rely on, plus not have to make dodgy ships like the Ivan Gren... sending him off to the USC might ruin Pella and the USC at the same time.

    When you find a team that works well you don't break them up, you get them to train other teams to work together elsewhere...

    There have been plenty of cases even in modern day where Platoon Commanders proved far more competent than the "generals" in charge of them bad example my friend.

    Most generals start as platoon commanders so that makes sense, but some times accelerated promotion can ruin a career as easily as it could make one.

    And don't forget that corporal fellow

    Indeed, though with purges and the first year of battle the Soviet military found unqualified officers in positions they were either prepared for or wanted, but there was no choice, but it is not something someone would think could be a good way to run a country... it was an extreme and desperate situation that was rather brutal... you either get tempered steel or a shattered mess...

    If you are implying they are going to start building a carrier, then you just have delusional as him

    They have talked about CVNs... where better to build one?

    Is it allowed to have two account on this forum ? Truck is clearly Ehniee or his friend that came to troll and repeat bs said by the original retard ehniee.

    Can mods check his IP or simply ban him ?

    I am sure Vlad will check his IP, but last time I looked it was not a banning offense to agree with someone who has been banned.

    Might come as a shock but for all the things I disagreed with regarding Eehie, there were a lot of things I agreed with him about too...

    As long as Truck respects the rules he has as much right to post here as anyone else.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:21 pm

    None of anything that you said Garry has anything to do with taking over seven years to construct a hull, if you are going to start ranting stop the point of managing a shipyard is to make sure things are done on time is fixed if there is a problem and in a timely manner if you cannot do that you need to resign your post so someone who can do the job takes the spot.

    Also where would they put this carrier they will suddenly start building? where is it's aircraft, where are its escorts? where is everything else? That guy was hinting they will suddenly slap down a carrier which no they aren't we are good maybe 8 years at least from seeing them lay one down.
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    Post  LMFS Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:41 pm

    kvs wrote:It looks like Americans and NATO denizens in general are afflicted with the wishful thinking fantasy projection disease.
    They really think that if they trash talk about Russia hard enough that reality will deform to suit their desires.  
    Pathetic clowns.  

    If it was 2004, then these "skeptics" (more like deniers) would have some plausibility in their nay saying.   But not
    today.   Recall the chicken little forecasts about the Banderastani termination of the supply of specific models of gas turbines
    two years ago on this forum.   According to the "skeptics" Russia was never going to replace these obsolete models
    and would have to shop for Chinese ones.    Now that this BS has been exposed as utterly detached from reality we
    have round two of chicken little predictions about how Russia can't build these engines.   WTF.  Get a frigging life
    you clowns.   Russia can build jet engines and gas turbines, but just not these specific models that it has developed?

    How much more of this troll crap will we have to wade through to get any value out of these threads.   Either post
    something substantial or GTFO.    Your wishful thinking is totally irrelevant.  

    Maybe they suffer from the Karl Rove's "We are an empire and we create reality" syndrome Laughing

    But what you say is more relevant than many may think. What you are complaining from, for its effects in the forum, is just the reflection of a very well thought and consistently implemented Western propaganda strategy of questioning all and everything that Russia does that has two main effects: create doubts in the international community about the capabilities and future of Russia with the aim of containing their development, and to get into the own Russians' minds, taking advantage of some historical events to provoke a feeling of inferiority and demoralisation, what is worse (the forum is proof of it), it works.

    Narrative control is the ultimate power. Anglozionism inherited it from their banking overlords (financials are nothing but reputation in the end) and they apply it with unmatched skill. Sad we fall for it so easily.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:16 am

    Also where would they put this carrier they will suddenly start building? where is it's aircraft, where are its escorts? where is everything else? That guy was hinting they will suddenly slap down a carrier which no they aren't we are good maybe 8 years at least from seeing them lay one down.

    Which just shows your ignorance...

    Even if they started laying down a carrier right now... today... it will be 8-12 years before it is operational... that is plenty of time to prepare and build larger surface vessels or upgrade existing larger vessels... this new carrier is the support vessel for the Russian Navy.... not the other way around.

    Ten years is plenty of time to prepare a dock in Murmansk or the Pacific to base a carrier, and if the surface group it will be defending is based on upgraded current large vessels a quick upgrade of new comms and sensors and weapons would be fine... they don't need to convert them into Zumwalts....

    None of anything that you said Garry has anything to do with taking over seven years to construct a hull, if you are going to start ranting stop the point of managing a shipyard is to make sure things are done on time is fixed if there is a problem and in a timely manner if you cannot do that you need to resign your post so someone who can do the job takes the spot.

    So how the fuck will dozens of resignations because the customer has pulled funding and decided to go with mistrals and then gone back to the ship you were building but now the design has changed so they can't meet deadlines help the Russian Navy?

    If you got a job and then your primary supplier suddenly refuses to supply something you already paid for... are you going to meet your deadline?

    There is no refund so where are you going to find a replacement and where are you going to find the money for the replacement... is the Russian Navy just going to hand over extra money just like that?

    But no, you are dead right... everything always goes to plan and nothing ever happens that might require a change in plan... any changes and you must fall on your sword... don't bother me with the details.... just resign... you bad soldier you.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:01 am

    Ten years isn't enough time for them to build the support ship going by their record if they where SK sure but this is Russia, the fact is Russia has nothing they need to build a new carrier that day is long off, you are talking about ignorance? that's funny you are the poster girl here about that.

    I am not going to argue with you about if's or butts, the facts today and for the foreseeable future show there will be no carrier in the next decade.

    What's fine to you garry isn't fine to the Navy they will need to build a whole battle group around it and they cannot do that in ten years and when did I mention Zumwalts, keep throwing that shade at me.




    Was I talking about Mistrals...? I never mentioned that ship, what ship class are you even talking about now?. the French pretty much built the Mistrals, the russian were allowed to "help out".

    Not saying they didn't get any experience out of it but the Mistrals have nothing to do with what I said.

    If you are talking about the engines, again that is their own fault.

    Russia paid for the ships in full but the USC would always work ass slowly, want more money, delays etc.

    Being supplied with components was never a problem again except the engines but once more their fault.

    You are again trying to make up excuses to white knight, the irony is its people with your mindset, that has harmed the capacity of Russian naval construction, it always "There is nothing wrong, this is why it's happening, this is fine it's normal" No Garry it isn't again, incompetence is incompetence, the more you ignore it and the more you make up an excuse for it the worse it gets.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:08 am

    LMFS wrote:
    kvs wrote:It looks like Americans and NATO denizens in general are afflicted with the wishful thinking fantasy projection disease.
    They really think that if they trash talk about Russia hard enough that reality will deform to suit their desires.  
    Pathetic clowns.  

    If it was 2004, then these "skeptics" (more like deniers) would have some plausibility in their nay saying.   But not
    today.   Recall the chicken little forecasts about the Banderastani termination of the supply of specific models of gas turbines
    two years ago on this forum.   According to the "skeptics" Russia was never going to replace these obsolete models
    and would have to shop for Chinese ones.    Now that this BS has been exposed as utterly detached from reality we
    have round two of chicken little predictions about how Russia can't build these engines.   WTF.  Get a frigging life
    you clowns.   Russia can build jet engines and gas turbines, but just not these specific models that it has developed?

    How much more of this troll crap will we have to wade through to get any value out of these threads.   Either post
    something substantial or GTFO.    Your wishful thinking is totally irrelevant.  

    Maybe they suffer from the Karl Rove's "We are an empire and we create reality" syndrome Laughing

    But what you say is more relevant than many may think. What you are complaining from, for its effects in the forum, is just the reflection of a very well thought and consistently implemented Western propaganda strategy of questioning all and everything that Russia does that has two main effects: create doubts in the international community about the capabilities and future of Russia with the aim of containing their development, and to get into the own Russians' minds, taking advantage of some historical events to provoke a feeling of inferiority and demoralisation, what is worse (the forum is proof of it), it works.

    Narrative control is the ultimate power. Anglozionism inherited it from their banking overlords (financials are nothing but reputation in the end) and they apply it with unmatched skill. Sad we fall for it so easily.


    Right because calling out a problem is Propaganda, here I thought to fix a problem so it would go away was the route to take but your right, let's sing a song and act like everything is okay and blame people who don't agree with the BS wrong because oh nyu they criticized mother russia.

    Both sides commit to propaganda, fanboys from both sides commit to propaganda. That's the problem with this forum even your own admin called it out, the pro-russian fanboys right away call anything that makes russia look bad "propaganda" in all fairness if this was an American forum it would be the other way around. This is why in the end forum are a terrible way to discuss one narrative tends to take over and anyone who disagrees with that based off the facts is called this and that
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    Post  GarryB Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:38 pm

    Propaganda... Russia can do nothing right and they should fire everyone right now.... blah blah blah.

    There are a lot of problems with ship building in Russia but I rather doubt we know very much about that.

    The Ivan Gren case is a good example... if the design is bad... a scaled up river boat supposed to do the job of who knows what, then they went with Mistrals instead, and then back to the IG... it is hardly the shipyards fault if the Russian Navy clearly doesn't know what it wants or keeps changing its mind and shifts its goals on a monthly basis.

    But obviously you know better because clearly you have Russias best interests at heart...
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:19 am

    GarryB wrote:Propaganda... Russia can do nothing right and they should fire everyone right now.... blah blah blah.

    There are a lot of problems with ship building in Russia but I rather doubt we know very much about that.

    The Ivan Gren case is a good example... if the design is bad... a scaled up river boat supposed to do the job of who knows what, then they went with Mistrals instead, and then back to the IG... it is hardly the shipyards fault if the Russian Navy clearly doesn't know what it wants or keeps changing its mind and shifts its goals on a monthly basis.

    But obviously you know better because clearly you have Russias best interests at heart...

    First of you troll I never said they can't do anything right, I said in shipbuilding they have a clear host of issues, how does saying that translate to "they can't do anything right".

    I give them credit when they do something right but I also call out when they do wrong, welcome to life.

    Ivan Gren's where not to replace Mistrals lol, they were meant to serve alongside them. Where in the hell did you think they intended to have Ivan Gren's take the place of Amp Assault ships lol!

    So that's a terrible example
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    Post  Isos Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:39 am

    Russia needs (needed) to replace a verrry big part of its navy. No surprise they are a little bit lost about what to produce and when to produce it.

    They wanted 30 Gorshkov frigates to replace the few that Soviet union operated.

    They wanted 12 Lider while SU operated only 4 kirov nuclear powered and 3 slavas.

    They have no destroyer planed while SU operated 4 or 5 different classes of destroyers in 91. It was the main type of big ship in SU.

    They want new corvettes and speed boats but want every new design showed to them while every one is designed around a set of uksk.

    They need IG to replace landing ships which were already old before syrian compain.


    And all that with less shipyards than SU and less experienced workers.
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    Post  Tingsay Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:13 am

    Isos wrote:Russia needs (needed) to replace a verrry big part of its navy. No surprise they are a little bit lost about what to produce and when to produce it.

    They wanted 30 Gorshkov frigates to replace the few that Soviet union operated.

    They wanted 12 Lider while SU operated only 4 kirov nuclear powered and 3 slavas.

    They have no destroyer planed while SU operated 4 or 5 different classes of destroyers in 91. It was the main type of big ship in SU.

    They want new corvettes and speed boats but want every new design showed to them while every one is designed around a set of uksk.

    They need IG to replace landing ships which were already old before syrian compain.


    And all that with less shipyards than SU and less experienced workers.

    Agreed.
    Russia should just go for a heavy corvette surface navy. Nothing wrong with that. Steregs, grems and derzkiis inside brown and green waters are major headaches for any destroyer/frigate fleets, possibly even equals. In Blue waters, yeah they are lacking but Russia wont have an aircraft carrier anytime soon so blue waters can wait.
    Russia in theory can match the US navy within green waters with just corvettes. Not that they should, you wouldnt want 100s of corvettes by the time your ready for an actual carrier battle group. But this obsession with ACs and destroyers should be postponed to 2030s.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:35 am

    Ivan Gren's where not to replace Mistrals lol, they were meant to serve alongside them. Where in the hell did you think they intended to have Ivan Gren's take the place of Amp Assault ships lol!

    Where did I say they were going to replace IGs with Mistrals... and you complain that you think I put words in your mouth... how can I when your foot is always there...  Rolling Eyes

    Russia should just go for a heavy corvette surface navy. Nothing wrong with that.

    That would suit the US right to the ground knowing they would never come face to face with Russian ships on the high seas and they can impose their imperial will around the planet with impunity... now if only they can convince those chinese to do the same...

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    Post  Tingsay Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:49 am

    GarryB wrote:
    That would suit the US right to the ground knowing they would never come face to face with Russian ships on the high seas and they can impose their imperial will around the planet with impunity... now if only they can convince those chinese to do the same...


    It's only Temporary tho.
    And even if Russia has one carrier battle group now. Good luck facing 10+ from the US. Russia and China combined wont match Us naval power in the high seas till the 2040s and beyond. No point losing sleep over it.
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    Post  Hole Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:05 am

    The WWII is long gone. carriers won´t fight against carriers. Russian Tu-22M3´s and MiG-31K´s with their Kh-32´s and Kinzahls will fight carriers.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:20 am

    It's only Temporary tho.
    And even if Russia has one carrier battle group now. Good luck facing 10+ from the US. Russia and China combined wont match Us naval power in the high seas till the 2040s and beyond. No point losing sleep over it.

    Right now if the Peter the Great was operational and the Kuznetsov was operational and they had a few support vessels available now would be a really good time to sail to Venezuela for those naval drills they have been planning for ages with their ally Venezuela... they don't need to sink any US ships let alone carriers... their presence would deter the US from any invasion plans they might be currently cooking up.

    Other potential trade partners of Russia will look at that and think perhaps the times of the US bullying central and south american countries into buying F-5 fighters and cheaply buying their products instead of getting a better price in other markets might be over...

    A Russian navy with a carrier and large ships means global reach... it doesn't mean WWIII, what it means is that it gives Russia a say in things... right now the US can largely ignore what Russia is saying about the rule of international law regarding their attempt to illegally overthrow the democratically elected Maduro... because they don't have the naval strength to back it up... if that situation remains then Russia will stay where it is because who is going to pick trade with them over the potential US overthrow of their government?

    This is about Russias future... do they want an independent strong voice and the right to trade in peace with countries it chooses and choose them, or do they want to be Americas bitch and just tow the line or else.

    Trade with Venezuela might be a couple of billion a year... but it can grow and become more substantial and they can trade with any other country they like too, but over the years even a 2 billion dollar a year trade relationship will pay for the carriers over a decade... and there will be more than just one country wanting fair trade with a country that can produce farm equipment and currently has gone from a food importer to a food exporter in less than a decade...
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    Post  Admin Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:12 pm

    OKB is going to have some hard infrastructure choices to make. Either they invest a billion into building a modern dry dock big enough for carriers or they give up on it altogether. It doesn't look like they want to invest in anything bigger than accommodating a Mistral. PD-41 was decommed in 2010, there is no bringing that back to life.
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    Post  verkhoturye51 Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:32 pm

    Rakhmanov has said they decided to join two dry docks together at 35th Ship repair center.
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    Post  Guest Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:39 pm

    verkhoturye51 wrote:Rakhmanov has said they decided to join two dry docks together at 35th Ship repair center.

    Rosatom tho said that wont be suitable for maintenance of their Project 22220 for which they wanted to use PD-50. And they cant make so large floating dock themself at this point.
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    Post  verkhoturye51 Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:44 pm

    The icebreakers are smaller by all dimensions.
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    Post  Guest Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:57 pm

    verkhoturye51 wrote:The icebreakers are smaller by all dimensions.

    Dont kill the messenger, there is apparently reason why its not suitable if Rosatom said so. I do not know exact reason.

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