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    Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

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    Post  hoom Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:57 pm

    Launched

    Bottle smash failure Shocked

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5707634
    https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20181023/1531267420.html
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    https://flotprom.ru/2018/%D0%9F%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BB%D0%B022/
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    Also a report on White Sea tests of Uragan https://flotprom.ru/2018/%D0%9F%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BB%D0%B024/
    Tests on the White Sea of ​​the head small rocket ship of the project 22800 (code "Karakurt") "Hurricane" confirmed the nautical qualities and the inherent technical solutions.
    According to Mikhail Krasnopeyev, the Uragan, which arrived in Belomorsk in early October for state tests, was successfully shot out of Caliber cruise missiles at a coastal and sea target in the White Sea.
    "Passed nautical tests, applied weapons in the swell over three points. Has developed a speed of more than 30 knots," added Mikhail Krasnopeev.


    And about the engines https://flotprom.ru/2018/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B0382/
    Stabilization of the situation with the supply of engines for small rocket ships of the project 22800 "Karakurt" is expected in 2021-2022. This was announced on Tuesday, October 23, by the deputy head of the shipbuilding department of the Russian Navy, Captain I rank, Mikhail Krasnopeyev , during the launching ceremony of the Buryat MRC at the Leningrad Shipyard Pella.

    “There is a problem, we are solving it,” Mikhail Krasnopeyev acknowledged, answering a question about the disruption of the deliveries of M507 diesel engines manufactured by PJSC Zvezda. "engines for" Karakurtov "will build Kingisepp Machinery."

    Apparently this 4th ship is launched without engines https://flotprom.ru/2018/%D0%9F%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BB%D0%B023/
    Factory running tests of the small rocket ship "The Tempest" of Project 22800 (code "Karakurt") will begin in the second half of 2019.

    The Tempest is the fourth IRC of project 22800, built at the Pella plant. The transfer of the ship to the Baltic Fleet is scheduled for 2020. However, the timing depends, among other things, on the timeliness of the delivery of M507 diesel engines manufactured by PJSC Zvezda.
    There has been suggestion at Balancer that 3rd boat launched without engines too, its certainly floating significantly higher than the others in the pics against the wall at Pella.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:29 pm


    Is there a ship class in production in Russia now that has engines available?
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    Post  hoom Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:04 pm

    20380/5 & 22160 with Kolomna diesels?
    Notably the early 20380s had significant teething issues with the engines but seems to be sorted now.
    But 20385s are expected to be underpowered (were supposed to be getting more powerful MAN).
    Buyan-M with the Chinese import if the fixes for Vyshny Volochek worked out.

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:29 pm

    hoom wrote:20380/5 & 22160 with Kolomna diesels?
    Notably the early 20380s had significant teething issues with the engines but seems to be sorted now.
    But 20385s are expected to be underpowered (were supposed to be getting more powerful MAN).
    Buyan-M with the Chinese import if the fixes for Vyshny Volochek worked out................]

    So of all classes and one-off models only ship that can be properly built is Bykov-class patrol vessel?

    Funny thing especially how anyone and everyone keeps calling them underarmed, useless and redundant money laundering schemes.

    Especially since it's usually same crowd that rants about nuclear destroyers and supercarriers and dismiss submarines as inferior platforms.

    Missile ships were supposed to be one saving grace of Russian surface fleet but it's pretty obvious that whole thing will not be going anywhere in first half of this century. Probably not ever given INF termination.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:48 am

    Missile ships were supposed to be one saving grace of Russian surface fleet but it's pretty obvious that whole thing will not be going anywhere in first half of this century. Probably not ever given INF termination.

    The loss of the INF treaty will likely stimulate growth in the development of short and intermediate range weapons... the more platforms you have able to use such weapons is the key to getting them into service quickly... in that sense the Navy will have a huge advantage, though the Army does have a lot of Iskander units deployed too.
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    Post  medo Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:56 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Is there a ship class in production in Russia now that has engines available?

    Kilo submarines, Steregushi corvettes, Ivan gren landing ships, Yurij Ivanov inteligence ship, Alexandrite minesweepers.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:25 pm

    medo wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Is there a ship class in production in Russia now that has engines available?

    Kilo submarines, Steregushi corvettes, Ivan gren landing ships, Yurij Ivanov inteligence ship, Alexandrite minesweepers.

    Kilo is submarine, they have no issues with subs

    Gren is cancelled and Ivanov and Alexandrit are not combat ships

    Steregushii is underpowered with Russian engines, they were designed for MTU

    Question: why would they design ship around an engine that is made by nation that the ship in question is potentially supposed to fight? And if they didn't expect geopolitical situation to be like this then why did they design ship around obsolete doctrine?
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    Post  verkhoturye51 Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:31 pm

    It was designed by Yeltsin in 1990s during the dream of east-west eternal friendship...who knows what was he drinking...
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:39 pm

    verkhoturye51 wrote:It was designed by Yeltsin in 1990s during the dream of east-west eternal friendship...who knows what was he drinking...

    Thing is that in situation where there is east-west eternal friendship there is absolutely no need whatsoever for this type of heavily armed short-range ships that focus on anti-sub operations

    So they didn't even do that version of the job properly
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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:42 pm

    the engine isn't really holding it back since they still use the same two powerplants but the desiel electric units are now 4 I believe over the initial 2.

    AT least until they complete the other engines.
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    Post  verkhoturye51 Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:49 pm

    Better underpowered than not working like Ford one year in commission
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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:49 pm

    verkhoturye51 wrote:Better underpowered than not working like Ford one year in commission

    They aren't actually really underpowered. Not sure were papa got that from. Unless he means because it now has to use 4 desil electric generators rather than 2 MTU ones. Then he is correct.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:13 pm

    verkhoturye51 wrote:Better underpowered than not working like Ford one year in commission

    Causing comparing a very small missile ship to a Supercarrier makes total sense.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:01 pm

    Of course, you can complain that Russia... that does not make anything and has an economy that compares with Texas, is having some problems with ship engines, but you can't complain that the worlds only self proclaimed hyper power can't get aircraft carriers right even though it has two dozen carriers in service right now... and that is without sanctions...

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    Post  hoom Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:13 pm

    More launch

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    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3389208.html has a bunch of pics

    Also big galleries at http://foto-i-mir.ru/22800-burya-181023-1/ & http://foto-i-mir.ru/22800-burya-181023-2/

    Good close up of the radar, looks a bit different? Maybe just the paint.
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    Post  Hole Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:16 pm

    Pella needs a larger dry dock and larger cranes.
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    Post  George1 Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:18 pm

    This is "Burya" the 5th ship

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:46 pm

    GarryB wrote:Of course, you can complain that Russia... that does not make anything and has an economy that compares with Texas, is having some problems with ship engines, but you can't complain that the worlds only self proclaimed hyper power can't get aircraft carriers right even though it has two dozen carriers in service right now... and that is without sanctions...


    I figured you would come riding in to defend, always do.

    First off I simply said comparing a ship less than 1000 tons to a ship that is what 90 times bigger and a ship class that IS much more complex oh and they don't even use the same propulsion type.

    It's a silly comparison, There is nothing similar about the vessels to warrant it.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:00 am

    Two programmes to build ships... both having problems...

    If Russia has no excuses because building small ships is easy, and the US can have all the problems in the world because making aircraft carriers is hard then I understand... hyperpowers are pussies and need their comfort blankies... why are you making excuses for the companies making carriers for the US Navy?

    I figured you would come riding in to defend, always do.

    I wouldn't need to defend if you weren't attacking... as usual. Razz
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    Post  hoom Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:24 am

    Perhaps some on-topic content
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    I think we had an earlier reference to the window cutting out in this thread so this one too from same group of pics since it shows that in-progress (not a 22800)
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    Post  hoom Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:28 am

    Apparently part of the deckplan
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    Post  hoom Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:52 am

    Uragan is on the way back to the Baltic via canal. https://flotprom.ru/2018/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D1%8B%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F52/

    Edit: arrived back to Pella already so must have left White Sea a while back.
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    Post  hoom Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:47 am

    2nd, 3rd & 4th boats against the wall at Pella
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    Note they've removed a bunch of stuff from 4th since launch, still lots missing from 3rd.

    With the engine supply issues its been said that at least the 3rd & presumably 4th have launched without engines, some debate on Balancer a while back about how they would get engines in post-launch.
    Other boats with similar engines apparently were setup for easy removal/replacement.
    There is a hatch in the deck between Pantsir-M mount & the rest of the superstructure, that area has tarps covering it on the 2nd boat here, presumably hatch is open.

    1st boat
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    Post  hoom Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:47 am

    Uragan at Baltysk, looks like loading Kalibrs again (unloading? since no missile range in Baltic).
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    Same spot as back in post 532 so that was not Kronshtadt.
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    Post  George1 Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:25 am

    The construction of a series of small rocket ships of the project 22800 at the Pella enterprise is also being implemented. Six such ships will be built for the Baltic Fleet, and a total of 18 units for the Navy.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3430481.html

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