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    Post  Isos Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:39 pm

    Very Happy

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    Post  Tingsay Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:27 pm

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    Post  Cheetah Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:04 am

    I saw this pic the other day and notices some differences in how the ERA merged with the body:
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    Post  GarryB Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:34 am

    The frontal armour looks thicker and the side armour modules look bigger and better integrated into the main body armour... ie no gaps.
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    Post  Hole Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:29 pm

    Isos wrote: Very Happy

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    You´re not alone. Found this:
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    Post  Hole Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:30 pm

    GarryB wrote:The frontal armour looks thicker and the side armour modules look bigger and better integrated into the main body armour... ie no gaps.

    The hull finish looks better then that of the F-35. Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Arrow Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:36 pm

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    Post  Atmosphere Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:15 pm

    shoutout to the clowns who thought it was a good idea to "analyse" the armor of the T-14 using photographs and come up with all kinds of imaginary limitations only for it to end up looking way different from the prototypes.

    with that being said, is the engine rated at 1800 or 2000 hp in maximum output?
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    Post  lyle6 Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:07 pm

    [Official] Armata Discussion thread #5 - Page 34 JEX6y2Z
    Look above: its the cassettes for the projectile and charges. Someone was even kind enough to position an old APFSDS projectile just to compare Twisted Evil

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    Post  Hole Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:20 pm

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    Some more differences

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    Post  hoom Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:57 pm

    Arrow wrote:[Official] Armata Discussion thread #5 - Page 34 1c6d273eb4919
    IMO looks a lot cooler like this than with the extra bits
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    Post  GarryB Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:32 am

    IMO looks a lot cooler like this than with the extra bits

    The normal metal cover is probably to reduce RCS as well as rain and weather protection and small arms protection for the items covered.
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    Post  hoom Mon Nov 29, 2021 6:35 am

    I know that.
    Just aesthetically I find the cover looks wrong somehow, I don't know if its the shape or proportions or what dunno
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    Post  franco Thu Dec 09, 2021 11:14 pm

    Russian military will receive more than 40 Armata tanks after 2023 - Military Industrial Complex Board

    Moscow. December 9th. INTERFAX - The Armata tank has received new shells, state tests of the entire complex will be completed in 2022, First Deputy chairman of the Board of the Military-Industrial Commission (MIC) of Russia Andrey Yelchaninov said in an interview with Interfax.
    "The tests are continuing. This year, the new ammunition for the tank also entered state tests. We expect them to be completed in full in 2022. More than 40 Armata tanks will be transferred to the troops after 2023," Yelchaninov said.
    According to him, the T-14 is a step forward for decades, the re-equipment of troops for this machine will be phased and smooth as the service life of tanks of previous generations expires.
    As Interfax reported, the Armata platform was developed by Uralvagonzavod Concern as a base for the T-14 main battle tank, the T-15 heavy infantry fighting vehicle and the T-16 armored repair and evacuation vehicle. Armored vehicles on the Armata platform are being tested.
    The T-14 is considered the world's only tank of the third post-war generation. According to military experts, "Armata" is a new word in tank construction, has no analogues in the world. This is a fundamentally new and completely Russian development. The T-14 tower is uninhabited. For the first time, the crew is placed in an armored capsule separated from the ammunition.

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Dec 09, 2021 11:25 pm

    40 by 2023? I thought they were to transfer 100 this year?

    What happened?
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    Post  franco Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:21 am

    miketheterrible wrote:40 by 2023?  I thought they were to transfer 100 this year?

    What happened?

    They got or are getting 20 this year. The rest of the article was news to me also so am sharing. As with all news, will have to wait and see.

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    Post  calripson Fri Dec 10, 2021 2:48 am

    So, since the 2016 unveiling of Armata, Kurganetz, and Bumerang platforms - 5 .5 years later, we have: maybe 20 Armata tanks being delivered this year or maybe not. (After being told 100 were being produced 2 years ago). Zero Kurganetz and zero Bumerang in service. These cannot all be technical issues. Sounds to me like the bean counters would rather procure warmed over 1970s tech retreads than pay the rubles for modern and survivable armor technology.

    Or, they have decided that in the era of suicide drones and advanced fire and forget anti-armor weapons the survivability difference isn't worth the money.

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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:45 am

    calripson wrote:So, since the 2016 unveiling of Armata, Kurganetz, and Bumerang platforms - 5 .5 years later, we have: maybe 20 Armata tanks being delivered this year or maybe not. (After being told 100 were being produced 2 years ago). Zero Kurganetz and zero Bumerang in service. These cannot all be technical issues. Sounds to me like the bean counters would rather procure warmed over 1970s tech retreads than pay the rubles for modern and survivable armor technology.

    Or, they have decided that in the era of suicide drones and advanced fire and forget anti-armor weapons the survivability difference isn't worth the money.

    It was never an issue with equipment. It was always about cost vs benefit.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:16 am

    Testing new shells and how it works as a vehicle will be completed by 2022, which suggests giving them 100 this year or next would be a bit premature... especially if they need to change a few things.

    It was never an issue with equipment. It was always about cost vs benefit.

    And also a matter of perfecting the designs to the point where they are ready to put into units and see how they go.

    It is already pretty clear the frontal armour has been improved and the side mounted armour modules are now better integrated too... I suspect all part of the process of converting one off or short production prototypes into serial production capable models that will go for in unit testing before final kinks are fixed and production starts.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:22 am

    with that being said, is the engine rated at 1800 or 2000 hp in maximum output?

    My understanding was that the engine was to be 1,800hp to start with but with a growth potential built in with upgrades and improvements in materials to eventually be rated at 2,400hp.

    In other words if you allow for a shorter parts life and engine life it could probably be run at 2,000hp at the moment but 1,800hp is considered enough for now for a tank only a few tons heavier than a T-90 with a 1,000hp engine.

    It will be 15-20 tons lighter than an Abrams and with 300 more horsepower... which does sound impressive but honestly the 15-20 tons lighter actually has more effect on mobility than having 300 more horses...
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    Post  marcellogo Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:26 pm

    I see nothing new or worring in such article.

    Let's follow me: this year the Ground forces receive 20 Armata i.e. enough to equip two tank company in order to test operational doctrine at such level.
    When such test would take place? Next year.
    In the very same year we already know that they would receive other 40 tanks. Those added to the previous 20 would be enough to equip two battaillons of tanks, in order to test O.D. at battaillon level.
    When this will happen? In year 2023, obviously.
    Only once they will be completed full scale production will begin.

    Now, it can also be that such tests would take only some months so that full production would begin in the very  same 2023 but also in such a best case scenario the stated yearly full scale production level i.e. 100 tanks could anyway be reached only in 2024... sunny

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    Post  Hole Fri Dec 10, 2021 7:51 pm

    In the end the Russian Army wants a functioning weapon system and not an F-35 on tracks. Very Happy

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    Post  kvs Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:25 pm

    Nuclear submarines are a higher defense priority for Russia than these tanks. The do most of the deterrence. Even 2,000 T-14 tanks
    are not going to stop NATzO and its dreams of conventional war on Russia. Nukes have been keeping the peace for 70+ years.

    As noted above, sampling this new tank for testing in daily use is more than good enough. Cranking production for no strategic
    benefit does not make any sense.

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    Post  calripson Fri Dec 10, 2021 10:07 pm

    The neocon wet dream scenario is Ukraine destroying large numbers of separatists' tanks or Russian tanks sent into Donbass via the 400 Javelin missiles they have provided or the Turkish suicide drones. Replicating the Israeli experience in Lebanon or the Armenian experience in Nagorno Karabakh. No one ever said they were original. If the Russian military has not thought through this scenario and developed countermeasures for it; they are criminally incompetent.

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Dec 10, 2021 11:23 pm


    They said that T-14 will be introduced gradually as old tanks get replaced not bought in bulk

    They expect to use this thing for almost a whole century to come so it would be smart to get it right from the get go

    Also, T-90 still get's the job done just fine, it's not like they are in a hurry





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