Not only the West is fixated with new
I meant just as a generalisation... in the past MiGs have been rejected as being too sophisticated and therefore too expensive for the customer... the SMT upgrade for the MiG-29 and the MiG-33 are two examples.
This seems to have changed now because they are choosing the MiG-35 for Russian service over the simpler cheaper MiG-29M2.
If they wanted to make the MiG-35 an export success, they should have taken that into account.
MiG don't make radars... how were they supposed to speed up design and development?
An AESA radar would have been a unique selling point for buyers of non-Western military hardware, and will have secured some orders I suspect.
Not sure that the premature deployment of a system that is not ready yet, and would have first generation deployment issues likely including overheating and regular array element failure would have inspired confidence in Russian gear, or whether it would have been pounced on by the gutter press in the countries that adopted them as evidence they should have gone for western products.
And that's exactly what I was referring to when I said that had they developed the AESA radar, then it would've had a much better chance at being marketed to many other countries.
If India or any other country was desperate for AESA radars in their aircraft they could easily have gone to a Russian radar company and offered joint development and help fund and drive the process and get the product into service. The Russian military was happy with the systems it had and weren't overly interested in getting these much more expensive systems into service as soon as possible, and their other customers didn't seem interested in spending a lot more money to do the same.
Most customers of Russian kit appreciate the fact that it is usually much much cheaper than western stuff, and seem to not be interested in paying for it to improve and get better in areas where it is behind.
India removed Russian bits from the Su-30M and replaced them with parts from France and Israel to get the plane they wanted... those parts they added massively increased the cost of the aircraft, which was further increased with their demands to make it themselves, but no funding was available to develop AESA radars with Russia or to invest in a new 5th gen heavy fighter with Russia... they just want a finished product and they wont pay anything like they seem happy to pay for American and French products.
Have you seen how much they paid for Rafales and C-17s and Chinooks and Apaches?
I am not criticising those prices they paid, but what I am wondering is why they think the Russians should be able to beat the west on price AND performance.
I think a MiG-35/MiG-29M2 purchase would have made rather more sense instead of Rafale... cheaper and into service faster which is important for a stop gap purchase as older planes retire, and then talk about local production of Rafales now they know you don't need them.
But when they bought the C-17s there was no Russian alternative ready to go, and with the Chinooks were bought they claimed it was for use at high altitude even though the Mi-26 has good performance in such places too, if they want to pay that much for a helicopter then that is fine, and I totally understand their buy of Apaches because at the time it was a mature and capable system if a bit maintenance intensive it is a good solid aircraft and the Mi-28 and Ka-52s had not had any real combat experience or upgrades like they have had over the last few years of combat in Syria... I rather suspect there will be some buyers regret because these american platforms are not cheap to support and use expensive munitions... but at the time it made sense.
What I don't understand is why they moan at the price of heavy fighters costing so much like the Flankers they operate when most of their price comes from expensive foreign parts and local production and even then they are a quarter the price of medium sized Rafales they are happily buying.
They spend four times on 36 Rafale fighters what they spend on an upgrade of an aircraft carrier and a full air component of MiG-29KR fighters and helicopters including the Ka-31 AEW helicopter... FOUR TIMES... so for the price of 9 Rafales they got 12 MiG-29KRs plus about three Ka-27 helicopters and two Ka-31 AEW helicopters... and a ship that was half cruiser and half VSTOL carrier into a through deck aircraft carrier... but they still complained....
here's the problem the way I saw the whole thing transpire - MiG advertised the MiG-35 to have all these specific components and one of the main ones they said would make this aircraft the next step from all preceding MiG-29 variants was the AESA radar (or the Zhuk-AE).
And it is going to get an AESA radar... is the Typhoon a failure because the first models are being retired because they had limited capability because most of the features of that aircraft didn't get included into the design till about the third serial production version and there were so many changes in the design it is cheaper to retire and scrap the first planes than to upgrade them to the newer standard... is it a failure too?
How about the stealthy F-35 that can be seen thousands of kms away by Russian radar in Russia that could spot US F-35s on the Iran Iraq border... I would think Boeing has more control of the stealthiness of the F-35 than MiG has control of the company that makes radars for them.
But they couldn't get it done and I'm not sure they even have with this model flying at MAKS 21?
You do understand MiG don't make radars.
So if they touted that feature and fell short of it, who else is to blame but themselves? That's what I was getting at.
There is a new feature being developed for their aircraft that is on the way and they told you about it... it was a planned feature for that aircraft but it is clearly not ready yet.
Burn the witch, destroy the company, fire everyone, is what is sounds like.
Sukhoi haven't fielded a full AESA Ku/Ka band radar either despite their massive export success... why do they get let off the hook... if an AESA is so damn critical then how are they able to sell aircraft on the international market.
Most aircraft will get several different radars during their operational lifetime... what you are doing is what we call throwing the baby out with the bath water... stop over reacting.
The only sale of anything close to the MiG-35 was the Egyptian order of 46 or 50 M/M2s and then I believe Algeria bought 12 of the same MiG-29M/M2s as well and that's it.
And you have to ask yourself if MiG are dumb fucks and these plane do not have the all mighty AESA radars in their noses, and there are Su-35s available... why did they even bother? 62 planes is a lot of money to piss away on useless crap... maybe there is more to an aircraft design than what it comes with initially.
It seems if they really wanted that model to succeed and showcase a next upgraded variant of the MiG-29 line in the MiG-35 and they claimed it will have the Zhuk-AE and not the Zhuk-ME, then they should've done whatever it took to make the AESA radar and get it in there like they said they would. But they didn't, and so the onus is on them for the lack of the aircraft getting any more orders out there.
And while they were at it they could have had a word to Klimov and gotten them to upgrade their engines to make them 12 ton thrust instead of 9 ton thrust perhaps... do you think that is how things work? Maybe have a chat to the Tactical missiles corporation and get them to make 1,000km range mach 15 air to air missiles so they can really dominate the international fighter market...
What would you suggest... hire some assassins, make threats, bribe them with money they clearly have falling from the sky...
If you take all the 4.5 gen aircraft in the same class as the MiG-35, you'll see that most of the ones doing well are aircraft with AESA radars. The F/A-18 Super Hornet, the Rafale, the Gripen, the F-15 even and so on. It seems like they missed the boat and it's a shame.
The F-15 and Super Hornet only go to countries with permission and those purchases are never performance based that is just ridiculous, Rafale and Gripen, well for most HATO countries there are only approved suppliers that can even be considered and MiG is not on that list.
I guess you rate the Typhoon as a failure too because it lacks an AESA radar on most of the in service aircraft...
Until 2010 the Rafale had a PESA and not an AESA...
If they fitted the MiG-35 with laser cannons and warp drive engines the countries that bought Hornets and Rafales and Gripens would still have bought those planes... India had decided to buy Rafales before the MRCA fighter programme... it was a programme to buy 126 aircraft for 10.4 billion dollars... for 8 billion dollars they ended up buying 36 Rafales... there was nothing about that competition that was fair or made sense... it was just a lot of wasted time and money for MiG.