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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:00 pm

    ult wrote:Probably two more 22350s with 24 cells will be laid down in 2020.

    https://flotprom.ru/2020/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F%D0%92%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%84%D1%8C3/

    Sensible decision.

    Now let's see how the reduction gearbox built by Zvezda will perform in the tests.

    That was probably the biggest obstacle, since Saturn already built and tested the gas turbines.
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    Post  Isos on Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:13 am

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    Post  Arrow on Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:03 am

    And still no test photos. Tsikron is more mysterious than Burevestnik cry
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:42 am

    I doubt they will be in any hurry to reveal its shape... especially its front and its main air intake because such information is what the US is currently scrambling to try to work out for their own designs... why help them for free?
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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:56 pm

    It takes Russia 10 years to build a frigate. Slow.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:18 am

    They currently don't need a big powerful navy... in fact having one... producing 50 Destroyers right now would bankrupt them... According to this post:

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t1159p100-royal-navy-fleet-air-arm-news#275209

    The British have a total of 15 Frigates and Destroyers... and they had a world wide empire to keep up with contacts with... and of course keep the lands they stole from those Russians....

    Wiki currently lists 11 in service Sovremmeny and Udaloy class destroyers, and 10 frigates ranging from new to old, but you could probably add another 19 Corvettes of the new types with communications and systems superior to most NATO Frigates or Destroyers...

    I understand children want things now, but you end up with uncooked food with such an attitude.

    Frigate and Destroyer designs don't just happen, you have to plan for them, which includes development and testing to make sure they are right before you start making a lot of them... don't you understand it makes more sense to get a product design right before you commit to making a lot of them and getting rid of the existing stuff?

    I used to work in the Computer industry and the number of companies that went bust because they introduced a new untested (by them) computer system and got rid of their previous paper method of doing things... they thought they were being smart because it would force their workforce to use the computer when the paper based system that was working before was taken away and destroyed after being put on computer.

    Of course without testing your backups are actually accurate records of the data that can be restored after a while you might find you are in trouble and when the system collapses there is nothing to go back to... you are out of business... but for a while they could boast about their new computer system taking them into the new century... and then unemployment...
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    Post  George1 on Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:47 pm

    The Severnaya Shipyard in St. Petersburg in northwestern Russia (part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation) will lay down an additional series of Project 22350 frigates for the Russian Navy, Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko announced on Thursday.

    The defense official declined to specify the number of ships planned for keel-laying under Project 22350

    https://tass.com/defense/1129411
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:18 pm

    George1 wrote:The Severnaya Shipyard in St. Petersburg in northwestern Russia (part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation) will lay down an additional series of Project 22350 frigates for the Russian Navy, Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko announced on Thursday.

    The defense official declined to specify the number of ships planned for keel-laying under Project 22350

    https://tass.com/defense/1129411

    He is probably referring to 2 ships that were rumored since new year but who knows, they may be more

    This would be second year in a row that 2 Gorshkovs will start construction simultaneously, might be sign of positive developments becoming the norm


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    Post  william.boutros on Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:31 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    George1 wrote:The Severnaya Shipyard in St. Petersburg in northwestern Russia (part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation) will lay down an additional series of Project 22350 frigates for the Russian Navy, Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko announced on Thursday.

    The defense official declined to specify the number of ships planned for keel-laying under Project 22350

    https://tass.com/defense/1129411

    He is probably referring to 2 ships that were rumored since new year but who knows, they may be more

    This would be second year in a row that 2 Gorshkovs will start construction simultaneously, might be sign of positive developments becoming the norm



    They really need to press on with the M version of these ships and to unify their ships!
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:08 pm

    william.boutros wrote:...They really need to press on with the M version of these ships and to unify their ships!

    They need to keep making this standard version and a lot of them, they worked out the problems and production speed is finally picking up

    M version will be much larger and it will practically be a new class which will take longer to build

    M will be nice but standard one should be priority

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    Post  Hole on Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:37 pm

    The M should be build by another yard so this yard can concentrate on this version. Maybe a yard on Crimea could do it.
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    Post  Viktor on Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:05 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    George1 wrote:The Severnaya Shipyard in St. Petersburg in northwestern Russia (part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation) will lay down an additional series of Project 22350 frigates for the Russian Navy, Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko announced on Thursday.

    The defense official declined to specify the number of ships planned for keel-laying under Project 22350

    https://tass.com/defense/1129411

    He is probably referring to 2 ships that were rumored since new year but who knows, they may be more

    This would be second year in a row that 2 Gorshkovs will start construction simultaneously, might be sign of positive developments becoming the norm



    Project was in waiting until all Russian engines where developed. Once done the production can continue now without Ukraine participation.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:54 pm

    Hole wrote:The M should be build by another yard so this yard can concentrate on this version. Maybe a yard on Crimea could do it.
    I would do the opposite, Zaliv in Crimea had a good experience in building frigates of the Krivak serie, and they do not need to  occupy the large drydock (needed for larger ships like helicopter carriers) for building frigates.
    In addition Severnaya Verf,  having had experience in building the base version, is probably the more indicated for building the enlarged version (that is basically a destroyer).

    In soviet time destroyers of the Udaloy class (having almost exactly the same size and displacement as 22350M) were built at the same time in severnaya verf and in Yantar (Kaliningrad).

    Yantar is also another yard with very recent experience in building  taiwar and grigorovich frigates (improved Krivak)
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:23 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    Hole wrote:The M should be build by another yard so this yard can concentrate on this version. Maybe a yard on Crimea could do it.
    I would do the opposite, Zaliv in Crimea had a good experience in building frigates of the Krivak serie......

    Zaliv is too rusty to be given priority platform at this moment plus they will have their hands full with new LHDs soon

    Construction of Gorshkov frigates is too important to compromise it even for M version

    They need numbers



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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:27 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    Hole wrote:The M should be build by another yard so this yard can concentrate on this version. Maybe a yard on Crimea could do it.
    I would do the opposite, Zaliv in Crimea had a good experience in building frigates of the Krivak serie......

    Zaliv is too rusty to be given priority platform at this moment plus they will have their hands full with new LHDs soon

    Construction of Gorshkov frigates is too important to compromise it even for M version

    They need numbers
    Yeah, but the only other shipyards with facilities and capabilites and recent experience for building frigates are Yantar in Kaliningrad (second series of Taiwar frigates for India and Grigorovich class frigates, both of them based on Krivak class) and the Baltic shipyard in Saint Petersburg (that built in the early 2000s the first series of Taiwar frigates for India). The Baltic shipyard is quite busy with large icebreakers, however.

    In addition there is the Admiralty shipyard (also in Saint Petersburg)  that has the infrastructure and capabilities for building frigates or destroyers and showed that they able to build diesel electric subs at a good pace. Maybe some of the Improved Kilo or Lada could be built instead at krasnoe sormovo in Nizhny Novgorod (that already said that would like to go back into the submarine business), to free people at the admiralty  shipyard to work in building frigates (22350) and or destroyers  (22350M).

    Edit: if they had the engines for those, Zaliv could get some more experience building a series of 11356 (Grigorovich/ Taiwar class) for export (that was probably also one of the reasons of giving the contract of the second serie of taiwar to Yantar shipyard instead of giving it again to the Baltic shipyard) (but it is impossible that the Ukraine would give the engines for ships built in Crimea)
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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:33 pm

    Hopefully the second ship will be commissioned this year.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiral_Gorshkov-class_frigate
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    Post  dino00 on Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:23 pm

    Moscow. April 8th. INTERFAX - Severnaya Verf Shipyard plans to transfer the first serial frigate Admiral of the Fleet Kasatonov to the military in late May and early June, the enterprise’s press service said on Wednesday.

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    Post  mnztr on Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:56 pm

    This one still has the ukranian engines right? These are really smart looking ships, the larger version will look even better I expect
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    Post  Viktor on Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:31 pm

    I suspect we could see project 22350 and M version being introduced in less time now that the engine issue has being resolved.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:16 pm

    Viktor wrote:I suspect we could see project 22350 and M version being introduced in less time now that the engine issue has being resolved.

    Just finishing ones under construction now and ordering some more would be more than enough...
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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:00 am

    22350M is going to be biggest surface combatants Russia will ever build in the foreseeable future (up until 2050s). 7,500 ton displacement makes it similar in size to Type 052D destroyer.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:57 am

    Except the 25 K ton helicopter carriers they are laying down, and of course the CVNs they plan as follow ons to the Kuznetsov.
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:13 am

    ..and I have no doubt they will build a Lider cruiser, its just a matter of timing, plus the RuN deciding on what they actually want.
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    Post  dino00 on Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:30 pm

    The first frigate of project 22350 with Russian engines will be launched in early May

    Frigate moved at the end of March from boathouse to floating dock[
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    ST. PETERSBURG, April 16. / TASS /. The first frigate of project 22350 with an all-Russian power plant Admiral Golovko will be launched in early May. This was announced on Thursday by the press service of the Severnaya Verf shipyard (part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation).

    "The frigate Admiral Golovko will be launched in late April - early May,"


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