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    Iskander-M/K (SS-26 Stone):

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    Post  lyle6 Thu Jan 02, 2025 1:37 am

    They are firing ballistic missiles like artillery.

    First round was a miss - automic retargeting observed the fall of the missile and corrected the second missile just milliseconds before it dumped its load.

    The last missile was a direct hit and swiss cheesed all the vehicles within the 150m splash zone.

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    Post  Hole Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:55 am

    First strike was aimed at the prepared firing position of the rocket launchers.
    Propably some people around.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Jan 02, 2025 11:05 am

    There is a very small time window between the first explosion on the ground and bomblet separation.
    Those are being released from higher altitudes to spread out gravitationally and detonate to deliver the shrapnel a while after.
    Vids made in IR are usually misleading to the scale of the explosion because a lot can cause pictures size of the loud in IR.
    What was called the "first missile" can be a falling carrier missile as well.

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    Post  marcellogo Thu Jan 02, 2025 6:20 pm

    Oooh, one of such few times I am completely on the side of BOTH Lyle6 and Alamo (but it's because they are usually on opposite sides by themselves Iskander-M/K (SS-26 Stone): - Page 23 1f600 ).

    Seriously, they were engaging a very high value target (or better more than one) they obliterated it completely in the end and someone call such as a failure?

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    Post  diabetus Thu Jan 02, 2025 6:58 pm

    No, the first one was a clear miss. It's not difficult to edit videos to exclude stuff like that.
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    Post  marcellogo Thu Jan 02, 2025 7:07 pm

    And operationally speaking, what changed exactly?
    Target was completely destroyed the same,they used more than a missile to be sure to get the result anyway and they got it in full.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jan 03, 2025 1:12 am

    No, the first one was a clear miss. It's not difficult to edit videos to exclude stuff like that.

    Perhaps they don't want to hide the truth... and of course...

    The west will play that part alone and tell us that Iskander is useless and inaccurate and is useless as a weapon on the modern battlefield, but that is OK because winning the propaganda war in the west has not helped them one single bit so far and that is not likely to change...

    The west and Kiev show carefully edited views of their systems showing perfection, so when they tell us the truth eventually it will be clear nothing they ever said could be trusted... including the Minsk agreements.

    Precision guided does not mean it hits the target perfectly every single time... the western public does not understand this because their experience with war is video games where you put the aiming mark on a target and fire and no matter what the range your bullet hits that aim point every single time.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jan 03, 2025 10:38 am

    but it's because they are usually on opposite sides by themselves Iskander-M/K (SS-26 Stone): - Page 23 1f600 ).

    Are we? Never noticed Very Happy

    But seriously for a moment.
    Most of the vids we get with the use of cluster ammunition were presenting their usual carries. Those are free fall bombs and tube rocket artillery or barrel artillery.
    For all that cases, bomblets are being separated at some point with kinetic energy of the carrier. All travel further in direction, while the carrier is being separated, and falls as being no more aerodynamic.
    When we see the point those are aimed at and detonate - carrier is already on the ground, out of the cadre.
    With ballistic missiles like Tochka, Oka or Iskander, the missile arrives vertically. Warhead spreads the cargo, but the rest of the missile falls down same vertical path as was falling. So, it will usually fall down in the target area. more or less.
    We have seen that in Krematorsk train station, when the debries of Tochka felt some 150m from the main targeted area of refugee location.

    Here you have the first I have found on YT presenting that - don't pay attention that they are killing North Korean soldiers in Kursk, of course Laughing and other Wunderwaffle idiocies.

    The point is that it is a HIMARS or ATACSM strike with cluster ammo, and you can see that the missile itself hits the ground just in the targeted area.
    Making an IR visible cloud that can be easily considered a regular missile, if out of context.



    Me thinks more like ATACSM, as the number of "puffs" is quite big, and the cloud on the left is big either. It shows just the same pattern.

    And just as an example, the Aug 18th 24 strike at Mirgorod airbase, where they have taken out 7 Su-27 at once, was carried with the same scenario - first, a cluster ammunition version of the warhead, followed by a HEFRAG one "just in case". The second carries much heavier shrapnel, so is perfect to finish the job. Two missiles are a load of one launcher, while 3 need two.

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