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    Post  George1 Sat Jun 25, 2016 11:29 pm

    Run Silent, Run Scared: Russian Sub Hunter to Tote Powerful New Bomb

    Russian engineers are working to adapt the all-new Zagon-2 antisubmarine corrected air bomb for use by Mi-14 helicopters, RIA Novosti wrote citing Techmash Concern’s CEO Sergei Rusakov.

    “The Zagon-2 antisubmarine bomb developed by the Scientific Research Institute of Engineering was originally intended for use by Ka-28 helicopters but we are now looking for ways to use it on other types of aircraft, including the Mi-14,” Rusakov said.

    The Zagon-2 antisubmarine corrected air bomb is designed to engage submarines on the sea surface, under periscope and deep down.

    When dropped on underwater targets the 120-kilogram Zagon-2 bomb descends on a parachute, which is released at the moment the bomb splashes down. The bomb then sinks down under gravitational g-force and is steered towards the target by active sonar target location and a motion control system.

    It can also be dropped from Il-38 and Tu-42M anti-submarine planes.

    Dubbed as “a killer of submarines” the Mil Mi-14 is a nuclear-capable shore-based amphibious helicopter armed with a torpedo, twelve 64kg or eight 120kg depth bombs.

    The Mi-14 can also carry a 1 kiloton nuclear anti-submarine bomb weighting 1,600kg, capable of scuttling any underwater target within a radius of 800 meters.

    The Mi-14 features a watertight weapons bay allowing internal carriage of a single torpedo or eight depth charges, and search radar fitted under its nose.

    The Mi-14 gained its nickname of “a killer of submarines” in the late 1980s when it found and sank a NATO sub which had strayed into Soviet territorial waters.

    Under strong pressure from the United States, all of Russia’s Mi-14 helicopters were decommissioned in 1996.

    With the Russian Navy undergoing massive re-equipment, the Defense Ministry plans to renew the production of Mi-14 nuclear-capable amphibious anti-submarine helicopters in Kazan.

    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160624/1041877132/russia-helicopter-bomb.html
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    Post  nastle77 Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:06 am

    IL-38 what kind of ASW torpedoes it carried ?

    And what was its typical weapons load ? Most sources in english Ive seen just mention load carrying capacity without the typical operational weapons load
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    Post  franco Sun Jul 17, 2016 1:17 pm

    100th Anniversary of Naval Aviation and a skills competition at Yeisk:

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2022159.html
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    Post  airstrike Thu Sep 01, 2016 12:30 pm

    Russia to modernize its carrier-based Su-33 jets

    http://echelon-defense.com/2016/09/01/russia-to-modernize-its-carrier-based-su-33-jets/
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    Post  medo Thu Sep 01, 2016 8:03 pm

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2097090.html

    In Gromov center Russia test modernized Su-33, which receive Gefest SVP-24 complex. There are no other informations about modernization of other equipment. To effectivelly work with SVP-24, Su-33 for sure receive satellite navigation and new data link to operate inside network.

    But to receive real multirole fighter, they should modernize Su-33 radar to N001VEP with extended range and modes to operate against ground and sea targets.
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    Post  George1 Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:26 pm

    medo wrote:http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2097090.html

    In Gromov center Russia test modernized Su-33, which receive Gefest SVP-24 complex. There are no other informations about modernization of other equipment. To effectivelly work with SVP-24, Su-33 for sure receive satellite navigation and new data link to operate inside network.

    But to receive real multirole fighter, they should modernize Su-33 radar to N001VEP with extended range and modes to operate against ground and sea targets.

    So Su-33s will become multi-role and will not be withdrawn
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    Post  eehnie Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:29 pm

    George1 wrote:
    medo wrote:http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2097090.html

    In Gromov center Russia test modernized Su-33, which receive Gefest SVP-24 complex. There are no other informations about modernization of other equipment. To effectivelly work with SVP-24, Su-33 for sure receive satellite navigation and new data link to operate inside network.

    But to receive real multirole fighter, they should modernize Su-33 radar to N001VEP with extended range and modes to operate against ground and sea targets.

    So Su-33s will become multi-role and will not be withdrawn

    There is not reason to retire them.
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    Post  George1 Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:34 pm

    eehnie wrote:

    There is not reason to retire them.

    i guess MiG-29Ks and Su-33s dont all fit in A.Kuznetsov
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    Post  eehnie Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:48 pm

    George1 wrote:
    eehnie wrote:

    There is not reason to retire them.

    i guess MiG-29Ks and Su-33s dont all fit in A.Kuznetsov

    It is possible to use both. One can be better for some missions the other for other. Even it is possible to use both at same time if the aircraft carrier is near enough of some land airfield.

    The Su-33 is still an aircraft very useful, and with some improvements can be better still.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:19 am

    George1 wrote:
    eehnie wrote:

    There is not reason to retire them.

    i guess MiG-29Ks and Su-33s dont all fit in A.Kuznetsov

    So you have spare if combat losses occur. Kuznetsov could take 26 Su-33 and 33 helos according to wiki. So if you leave 12 Su-33 you can probably take 24 Mig-29k leaving some helos.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:04 am

    Actually the Su-33s have wings that double fold so when folded they are longer than the MiGs but not wider... you would not get 2 MiGs in the space of one flanker.

    Importantly previously the K had two types of aircraft anyway... Su-25s and Su-33s, where Su-25s were trainers only and had no combat role.

    With the MiG-29 coming in single and two seat versions it could perform the role of training and combat roles, it the K will still have two fixed wing types but rather better offensive and defensive capability.
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    Post  medo Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:22 pm

    George1 wrote:
    medo wrote:http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2097090.html

    In Gromov center Russia test modernized Su-33, which receive Gefest SVP-24 complex. There are no other informations about modernization of other equipment. To effectivelly work with SVP-24, Su-33 for sure receive satellite navigation and new data link to operate inside network.

    But to receive real multirole fighter, they should modernize Su-33 radar to N001VEP with extended range and modes to operate against ground and sea targets.

    So Su-33s will become multi-role and will not be withdrawn

    Su-33 were produced in the nineties, so are between the youngest Flankers in arsenal and also they don't have many flight hours as Kuznetsev were rarely sailing and not all fighters are on the carrier. It was said a year ago, that a squadron of Su-33 Will be ground based to provide protection over Arctic region and the rest could still serve on the carrier. Placing N001VEP radar in Su-33 is the best solution for modernization as the radar is more or less the same as old one, but provide better air to air capabilities and totaly new anti-ship capabilities with combination with all Russian anti-ship missiles and anti ground modes including with ground mapping.

    Su-33 have longer range than MiG-29K/KUB and its combat radius is more than 1000 km and distance between Murmansk and Zemlya Aleksandra island is also more than 1000 km and Su-33 is better suited to patrol over the sea in this region and close the door to Russian Arctic region.
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    Post  medo Fri Sep 02, 2016 8:27 pm

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    For now we know, that two borts b/n 88 and 71 were modernized. The Picture of pilot in Su-33 b/n 79 with a display on his knee is not from modernized Su-33. We still do not know, what changes will this SVP-24 modernization bring inside Su-33 cockpit. I hope they will replace old radar screen with new LCD MFD or even better to made its cockpit similar to Su-27SM.
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    Post  medo Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:38 pm

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    Two more Su-33 in Zhukovsky, b/n 85 and b/n 78.
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    Post  Austin Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:07 am

    "Wolf pack" against the US and NATO?
    Naval Fleet of Russia in Western estimates experts

    http://nationaldefense.ru/includes/periodics/maintheme/2016/0719/132618919/detail.shtml
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    Post  medo Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:03 pm

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    Modernized Su-33 b/n 78, behind the cockpit is clearly seen a new white satellite navigation antenna.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:00 am

    And jammer pods on the wing tips... this is probably a pilot training to operate near Syria over the next few months.

    I wonder if we should pass on to a certain website that they may have one trained pilot on board the Kuznetsov... Razz

    Beautiful aircraft...
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    Post  medo Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:40 pm

    Most probably both, testing and pilot training in Zhukovsky. No doubt, Pastel ELINT complex, chaff and flare launchers and ECM pods will give Su-33 good self protection over Syria. But considering, that their primary mission beyond Syria will be over the sea patroling between Murmansk and Franz Joseph islands in Arctic, it will be very important to equip them with N001VEP radar, which have air to sea modes and could detect frigates at the range of 350 km and could use anti-ship missiles. MiG-31BM is interceptor only.
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    Post  franco Sun Oct 02, 2016 12:39 pm

    9th Su-30SM to Crimea with another scheduled by years end.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2160364.html
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    Post  medo Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:16 pm

    http://www.aex.ru/news/2016/10/3/160470/

    3 октября 2016 г., AEX.RU – Объединенная двигателестроительная корпорация (ОДК, входит в Госкорпорацию Ростех) в обеспечение потребностей государственного заказчика возобновляет производство турбореактивных двигателей АЛ-31Ф серии 3 для палубных истребителей Су-33. Двигатели будут выпускаться в ПАО «Уфимское моторостроительное производственное объединение» (входит в ОДК), сообщает пресс-служба корпорации.

    Двигатели АЛ-31Ф серии 3 разрабатывались и производились специально для Су-33. С учетом того эволюционного развития, которое прошло семейство двигателей АЛ-31Ф с момента выпуска последних двигателей серии 3, новые двигатели для морских тяжелых истребителей будут выпускаться с внедрением доработок, которые уже применены на двигателях семейства АЛ-31Ф современного серийного облика.

    ODK will in its factory in Ufa restart a production of new engones AL-31F series 3 specially for Su-33 fighters and new engines Will receive same modifications as the newest series of AL-31F engines, what specially mean longer life time.

    As I doubt Russia will restart Su-33 production, I more think existing Su-33 will go through deeper modernization to serve for few more decades with new engines.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Oct 04, 2016 4:28 am

    I suspect they wont get deep modernisations...

    They are CAP aircraft to defend the carrier and the ships operating with it.

    I would say any basic strike capacity will be largely limited to the Su-33 with dumb bombs using their computerised bombing system but the primary strike fighter will be the MiG-33s.

    The other strike capability of the fleet will come from surface and sub launched cruise missiles.

    With landing forces I suspect the Ka-52K will do the brunt of CAS.
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    Post  medo Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:12 pm

    I don't see a sense to re-engine Su-33 fighters with new engines with longer service life, if they will not go into deeper modernization. Considering that its main mission will be over the sea patroling in Arctic region from Severomorsk ground base, that its main armament will be anti-ship missiles and radar capable to search for ships and guide anti-ship missiles on them. The only N001 type of radar with air to sea capabilities is N001VEP and considering that four users of Su-30MK2 equipped with N001VEP radar (Chinese NAVY, Vietnam, Indonesia and Venezuela) are using their Su-30MK2 for over the sea patrolings and that all anti-ship missiles Kh-31A, Kh-35 and Kh-59MK are integrated with N001VEP, this radar is the best option for Su-33 modernization. It have longer range than old N001 radar, it is multirole with air to air, air to ground and air to sea modes and could attack enemy ships with anti-ship missiles at 300 km distance.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:28 am

    New engines offer more power and better fuel economy... both of which are useful for an interceptor.

    It would also offer better commonality with new land based aircraft if it is the same engine type.

    The anti ship role is more likely to be taken by the MiG-29Ks rather than the Su-33s.
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    Post  kopyo-21 Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:16 pm

    medo wrote:Russian Naval Aviation: News - Page 9 13900310

    For now we know, that two borts b/n 88 and 71 were modernized. The Picture of pilot in Su-33 b/n 79 with a display on his knee is not from modernized Su-33. We still do not know, what changes will this SVP-24 modernization bring inside Su-33 cockpit. I hope they will replace old radar screen with new LCD MFD or even better to made its cockpit similar to Su-27SM.

    That is ЕКП-НТ tablet that belongs to A-737 GPS/Glonass navigator that Su-33s got in small upgrade by early of 2000s. Its function is to show the sattellite moving map. This one looks very similar to the one in between of OR4-TM TV LED and VM-10 LCD in the photo below.

    Russian Naval Aviation: News - Page 9 0_1281e1_74eaf6f0_orig
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    Post  medo Fri Nov 18, 2016 12:04 am

    Now, we have some indications, that modernized Su-33 got a new display instead of old radar screen, but for now we do not know, how this new MFD looks like.

    Before:
    Russian Naval Aviation: News - Page 9 Su-33-10

    After modernization:
    Russian Naval Aviation: News - Page 9 Su-33-11

    Maybe it is like this one in Su-30KN:
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