Mysteries and Bizarre Things:

kvs wrote:
The Fermi Paradox may have a solution waiting for us to see here on Earth.   The problem is not the emergence of advanced civilizations,
but their window of existence.   Ours is really less than 200 years.   It already looks like we may delete ourselves in the next 100 years.
A 300 year window may be too small for any advanced aliens to "call us".   Are we trying to call them?  No.  Why should they be calling us?

Humanity, as currently known, may be gone in 3 centuries but civilization could persist in the form of AI and cyborgs perhaps. Lacking human vagaries, a new civilization may have the stability needed for longterm survival.

Humanity can scrape back after thousands of years and produce another advanced civilization. But how long will it last? That is the key
detail since it determines how much projection outside of Earth can occur. Humanity likely has a biological deficit that makes its civilizations
unstable and short-lived. Of course, aliens on other planets are not subject to the same set of parameters. But one has to ask: if they emerged
from lower life forms through evolution, then are they likely to exhibit similar "legacy" deficits as humans?

The robotic life issue is very interesting and would offer a way out of the biological hole. But it is not clear to me that this is an accessible
state from any of humanity's past and future civilizations. People run around yapping about AI but we have no such thing. We have human intelligence
but we do not understand it. Can we solve this problem in the next 100 years before we destroy global civilization? The persistence of civilization
is a limiter on emergence of true AI. But the universe is vast and somewhere it is possible that AI has emerged from a biological precursor. It is
such robotic life that may do real exploration of its galaxy (it is unlikely that every galaxy has a few). Robotic life may establish civilizations lasting
millions of years.

But we do not know anything about true AI. Does it have problems similar to biological intelligence? If it is developed based on the biological variant
it may inherit fundamental problems that subject it to collective collapse as with humans.

But there are no human footprints.

65 million year old prints that immediately start leaking seawater not even 5 minutes after being discovered.

Oh my.

Why would some bronze age civilization undertake such construction? Nothing here adds up.

Of course we will not get any serious excavation of these shafts. Egyptology is a business racket and its fake narratives are all-important.

https://m.youtube.com/results?sp=mAEA&search_query=Scientists+against+myths

At least experimental Archeology can produce artefacts with primitive methods , a Russian team discovered . But producing a stone vase may have taken several years . The traces of metals in some vase , discovered by electron microscope , likely result of modern machining ?


There are examples of temples that were carved out of solid Rock in India and Africa . My guess is that this square hole is unfinished temple ? Notice the imperfect cracked Rock ? Some stones were abandoned , when they showed imperfections or cracks .





https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=taXspNBzYXs&pp=ygUYU2NpZW50aXN0cyBhZ2FpbnN0IG15dGhz

The claim that the titanium particles found in ancient "Egyptian" stone vases are from modern machining is ludicrous. We know all the
modern metal types used for shaping hard stone. So the fingerprint would be unmistakable. Nobody knows what alloys were used
to make the vases.

This sort of cope-tard logic is why progress is not made. Instead of calling out the obvious BS narratives from establishment archaeology,
we have cherry picking and tin foil hat style "rebuttals" of the arguments of the skeptics.

Also, no, nobody has reproduced the tube drill coring found. All of the modern hacks utterly lack the helical groove found in the originals.
They are also very sloppy. Again, did the Egyptians get their copper pipe from the local Home Depot? Modern "proof" of concept is retarded.

As for the shafts being temple construction.

Who the hell builds multi-storey shafts in the ground for temples? I challenge you to produce a single example of such shafts in any ancient
temple. This includes the ones on Egypt.

The "out of Africa theory" bites the dust.

https://webbtelescope.org/contents/early-highlights/nasas-james-webb-space-telescope-finds-most-distant-known-galaxy


Well I never claimed to be clever ! But I try . Now I found that Egyptians had copper tools like chisels for stonework . I have included a photo . They also had cylindrical gold decorative pieces . So stands to reason that they could cast cylindrical copper drilling tools . Reason no record of this , may be that there were very few pieces in use . The helical grooves may be the result of the shape of the grinding tool used . A flat or pointed chisel tip used in grinding , may leave spiral marks ? As far as Iron or titanium being found on vases , this could be contamination by a modern machine tool used previously to machine such metals . If not oxidized then could be the recent machining and dry conditions ? But only my guess !

The temple theory , is valid , I think . Because next to this square hole , are intricate adjoining smaller squarish  hole . If this hole was simply a foundation , then no need for extra holes . Again looks like an abandoned project . Similar hole , cut out of rock in Ethiopia . Photo  included . But only my guess .







About these older than universe galaxies discovered by the JWST ! It does not make sense to me . The possibilities I can think about :

( 1 ) The expansion took place faster than speed of light , at first .

( 2 ) The expansion took place from multiple distant points in space .

( 3 ) The galaxies formed faster initially .

( 4 ) The galaxies older than big bang , come from previous universe . Big bang occurring in pre-existing older universe .

Which one of these possibilities is more compatible with known laws of physics ?



Edit : My guess is that if almost all observed galaxies confirm the red shift law , except these very very far ones , then mistakes likely to be instrument failure at very long ranges or correction of the red shift law for very long distances , the relationship may not be linear or log or whatever else , a simple relationship . This keeps all other laws safe . What you think ?

That image is not relevant.   The scale is all wrong too.  Large multi-story shafts serve no purpose without underground structures.  

It is obvious that the shafts in Egypt on the Giza plateau are not associated with any above ground temple building.    The ramp
from the Sphinx to the main pyramid is showing all evidence of being a buried structure and not just some surface "tiles" (of the
dozen ton variety).  

Anyway, trying hard to find excuses to maintain the primitive bronze age civilization did it all narrative is absurd.  Why so much investment
in this narrative?  Humans with advanced brains have been around for 800,000 years.   They all waited until the magical Biblical window
of the last 6000 years to develop technology?   Our supposedly singularly advanced modern civilization still can't explain how the great
pyramids were built.   Were they faked like the vases too?

The pyramids ? And not the early ones in Egypt . No explanation I can give . Not the logistics , but measurement and the planning and geometric design . The great pyramid is an eight sided structure , with sloping sides in vertical and horizontal directions . Internal shafts and rooms means a huge number , if not all the stones , had unique geometry internal and external . With tolerances of one millimetre ! I have no explanation for this , other than as you say a much more ancient civilization or the grey ! Today we need a 3D CAD model for 20 million stones each !

nomadski wrote:No explanation I can give . Not the logistics , but measurement and the planning and geometric design . The great pyramid is an eight sided structure , with sloping sides in vertical and horizontal directions . Internal shafts and rooms means a huge number , if not all the stones , had unique geometry internal and external . With tolerances of one millimetre ! I have no explanation for this.

Do you know that Zu Chongzhi calculated the sophisticated parameters of the geometry and star position merely based on rudimentary "calculator", i.e. the sticks as counting rods ? And Johann Kepler manually calculated sophisticated algorithm by hand to figure out the planetary motions ?

Sophisticated calculation and architecture were not alien to experts in ancient words.

Human can do marvel if they really put the heart and mind to it.

Regrettably, such expertise mostly are either orally transmitted or guarded secret that lost to history, and us modern people living in a very different context will find it very hard to reverse-engineer it.

nomadski wrote:Not the logistics , but measurement and the planning and geometric design

It is helpful to know that Egypt was an agriculture civilization on a flooded basin, and agricultural people on a flooded basin are experts in mathematics and especially geometry, for obvious reasons.

For example ancient people already knew the earliest form of Pythagorean formula long long before Pythagoras, it was just that they did not write it in an academic form like today, neither they felt the need to "prove" it or "generalized" it as an abstract academic theorem.

Why did Egyptians maintain records of their cosmology and religion and history and technology on stone and paper , but not their geometry or maths ? Are there any records whatsoever of geometry in ancient Egypt ? The Greeks did keep records of their wonderful science . Why are there no records of the huge number of plans and geometric calculations of the pyramid constructions ? These type of geometric and mathematical knowledge , can not be transmitted verbally , like folklore . It needs to be recorded and collected over many generations . Yet no records ? The Architects that built the pyramid , once born , must have had access to existing knowledge , if not written on stone , then on paper . How long does paper survive for ?

nomadski wrote:These type of geometric and mathematical knowledge , can not be transmitted verbally , like folklore .

Yes they can.

If my memory serve me well, I once manage to read an oral poem (I forget the content, though) circulated by Vietnamese woodsmen and carpenters that allow them to approximately gauge the circumference, radius, and cross section of a tree trunk that do not directly use the number of Pi, but use a sequence of addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, and they term it into an oral poem for memorization.

It is imperative to note that these are practical math, not theoretical or academic math like the Hellenes. You don't have to prove it or dig deep into logical reasoning or theoretical arguments, but you have to say it in the way that everybody can understand and memorize even without having to write it down.

And actually there are written math knowledge such as in ancient Egypt, Babylonian and China that can be preserved well into today, especially in China when they manage to maintain a continuous civilization long enough to preserve it and turn it into a more formal writing compilations.

The problem here is that in modern capitalism much of us are white collar bookworms and even the modern artisans are more dependent on writing data and abstract knowledge rather than verbal or body language and hands-on experience like ancient artisans. It is therefore difficult for us to comprehend and understand the lost knowledge of the past.

The OG pyramids are coded - not like its gay or something, but their designs are packed with mathematical references.

Its basically a giant pile of rock that can withstand exterminatus after exterminatus calamity upon calamity to give whoever survived a glimpse of what once was and more importantly, alert them to the presence of other cycles so they can plan accordingly.