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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:54 pm

    Vann7 wrote: Russia government , though its media RT , is resurrecting the moon landing controversies
    every month.. and now the Director of Roscosmos Rogozin is openly in public ,denying NASA
    landed in the moon..  Laughing

    Article on RT: US Moon landing conspiracy: Faking it more difficult than doing, Russian scientist says

    https://www.rt.com/news/446179-moon-landing-russian-scientist/

    I liked this point: “There is nothing to argue about Americans landing on the moon between 1969 and 1972,” Kostitsyn stressed. “You won’t hear a single cosmonaut say they didn’t.” Yury Kostitsyn is head of the Institute of Analytical Chemistry and he can certify that the lunar rock samples returned by the US are older than any rocks ever found on Earth, and have isotopic abundances that match the samples returned by Soviet soil-return probes in the 1970s.

    There is your challenge Vann. Find just ONE Soviet Cosmonaut who doesn't think the US landed on the moon.

    Then, maybe, you can STFU and stop yabbering about "Lunar Hoaxes". The despicable Seppo Continuum has stuffed enough dead bodies under the carpet to fuel a lifetime of anti-US political activism, but lunar landing hoaxes ain't one of them...
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    Post  GarryB Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:47 am

    ok so you bring back only to send back as a space base module or rocket or robots? not ot mention fule, you bring down resources like components of rule and then launchingback?
    genius you are just genius!!!

    Well what you do is you apply the technology developed on earth for EMALS that is basically using electricity and magnets to accelerate matter... you don't need fuel as such... if you are sitting on a billion ton asteroid you can chip off material and launch it in a direction opposite to that you want to travel and move that way... or if the content on that particular asteroid is relatively small you could launch it in the direction of the earth or where ever it is needed and fired in that direction with a beacon so as it approaches it can be intercepted and captured and then used.

    There is your challenge Vann. Find just ONE Soviet Cosmonaut who doesn't think the US landed on the moon.

    It is not really about whether they did or they didn't... it is about simply not believing anything they say as a matter of principle.

    BTW their more fragile lie is Orville and Wilbour Wright... why is the pathetic distance they flew considered the first successful powered flight when others flew shorter distances before them....
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    Post  George1 Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:47 pm

    France signs contract to join Russia’s Bion-M2 bio-satellite project

    Research carried out as part of the Bion-M2 project would help scientists in their preparations for a spaceflight beyond the Earth’s magnetic field

    MOSCOW, December 12. /TASS /. The French space agency, CNES, has signed an official contract to take part in Russia’s Bion-M2 bio-satellite project, a spokesperson for the Institute of Medical and Biological Problems of the Russian Academy of Sciences told TASS on Tuesday.

    "Our American, German, Japanese and French colleagues applied for joining the Bion-M2 project. Besides, scientists from Hungary and Bulgaria also plan to take part. An official contract has already been signed with one of the applicants - France," the spokesperson said.

    According to the official, Ukrainian scientists refused to participate in Bion-M2 due to a complicated political situation.

    Research carried out as part of the Bion-M2 project would help scientists in their preparations for a spaceflight beyond the Earth’s magnetic field, to the Moon and even further.

    Unlike its predecessors, which looked mainly into aspects of physiology, Bion-M2 will focus on effects that space radiation may have on a living organism.

    "The main task is to investigate the risks that may occur during a human spaceflight beyond the lower earth orbit," said Vladimir Sychev, who heads the project. "The experiment will be carried out mostly on mice, there will be 65 of them in total. Cameras will be installed in their cage, and the video will be regularly transmitted to the earth."

    Besides, fruit flies will also be sent to the orbit.

    According to Sychev, the timeframe of the launch remains unchanged and it is scheduled for 2022.

    Bion experiments

    The Bion-M2 spacecraft, designed and manufactured by the Progress Rocket Space Center, is expected to be launched from Baikonur atop the Soyuz-2.1b carrier rocket. For 30 days, the spacecraft will stay at the altitude of about 800-1,000 kilometers. The animals on board are expected to receive a dose of space radiation comparable to a three-year-long flight aboard the International Space Station.

    Bion-M2 predecessor, Bion-M1, was launched in 2013. Its flight continued for 30 days, at the altitude of 580 kilometers.


    More:
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:07 pm


    Cosmonauts collected samples from that hole in Soyuz. If traces of epoxy are found some incompetent idiot from Energia will be in world of pain.

    Realistically entire f****g shift should be prosecuted along with management.

    Astronauts Complete Nearly 8-hour Spacewalk to Investigate Space Station Mystery Hole

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2018/12/11/international-space-station-hole-investigation-spacewalk/#.XBGHClF38ji
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:12 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    There is your challenge Vann. Find just ONE Soviet Cosmonaut who doesn't think the US landed on the moon.

    It is not really about whether they did or they didn't... it is about simply not believing anything they say as a matter of principle....

    And as a matter of principle I don't believe anything that the aforementioned brain-dead flat-earther says.

    GarryB wrote:...BTW their more fragile lie is Orville and Wilbur Wright... why is the pathetic distance they flew considered the first successful powered flight when others flew shorter distances before them....

    Orville and Wilbur Wright produced video footage of their flight regardless of length (unless Vann The Flat-Earther will prove that it was some ol' timey CGI from 1903)

    NASA produced moon rocks that have been proven by Russian scientists (among numerous others) to be from off Earth.

    What do Russians have that proves that Gagarin flew to space? All I was able to find was some crappy footage of supposed launch and their scout's honor pinky swear that it like totally happened.

    See how that works? Bricks and glass houses.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:21 pm

    Rosatom developed one of the systems of the Chinese lunar mission "Chang'e-4"


    Thermal blocks are designed to power the spacecraft systems

    MOSCOW, December 12th. / TASS /. Rosatom has developed one of the most important systems of the Chinese spacecraft Chang'e-4, launched on December 8 to study the far side of the moon. This was reported TASS representative of the communications department of Rosatom.

    "Rosatom created one of the important elements of the Chinese mission Chang'e-4". Thermal blocks developed at the Russian Federal Nuclear Center - the All-Russia Research Institute of Experimental Physics "he said, answering a question about the contribution of the Russian nuclear industry to the new lunar mission of China.

    According to the representative of Rosatom, thermal units are radiation sources of heat (RHS) and radioisotope sources of electricity (RTGs), designed to power the systems of the Chinese lunar mission.

    "The shells of thermal units were made of composite materials by the specialists of JSC" NIIgrafit "(part of the scientific division of Rosatom)," he added.

    https://tass.ru/nauka/5903496





    George1 wrote:France signs contract to join Russia’s Bion-M2 bio-satellite project

    Research carried out as part of the Bion-M2 project would help scientists in their preparations for a spaceflight beyond the Earth’s magnetic field

    MOSCOW, December 12. /TASS /. The French space agency, CNES, has signed an official contract to take part in Russia’s Bion-M2 bio-satellite project, a spokesperson for the Institute of Medical and Biological Problems of the Russian Academy of Sciences told TASS on Tuesday.

    "Our American, German, Japanese and French colleagues applied for joining the Bion-M2 project. Besides, scientists from Hungary and Bulgaria also plan to take part. An official contract has already been signed with one of the applicants - France," the spokesperson said.

    More:
    http://tass.com/science/1035585

    very good news, research with cost sharing and intl cooperation. thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:38 pm

    @Papa

    https://ria.ru/20181211/1547780290.html


    Samples of lunar soil can not be forged, said in the Russian Academy of Sciences

    МОСКВА, 11 дек - РИА Новости. Образцы лунного грунта, который за время осуществляемой в 1961-1972 годах программы пилотируемых космических полетов на Луну "Аполлон" американцы доставили на Землю, подделать невозможно, сообщил РИА Новости директор Института геохимии и аналитической химии РАН Юрий Костицын.

    "It is impossible to forge lunar soil. Americans for seven lunar missions brought about 300 kilograms of soil to Earth, mostly basalt. It was investigated in laboratories by scientists from different countries - Germany, France, the USSR. There are basalts on Earth, too, but properties, structure, they are significantly different from the lunar. On Earth, there are no rocks older than three to seven billion years, and the Americans brought a substance, whose age is more than four billion years, which is very close to the age of the solar system "- sk Azal Kostitsyn.


    ok ok but I love to troll pindosov with fake moon landing lol1 lol1 lol1






    GarryB wrote:
    ok so you bring back only to send back as a space base module or rocket or robots? not ot mention fule, you bring down resources like components of rule and then launchingback?
    genius you are just genius!!!

    Well what you do is you apply the technology developed on earth for EMALS that is basically using electricity and magnets to accelerate matter... you don't need fuel as such... if you are sitting on a billion ton asteroid you can chip off material and launch it in a direction opposite to that you want to travel and move that way... or if the content on that particular asteroid is relatively small you could launch it in the direction of the earth or where ever it is needed and fired in that direction with a beacon so as it approaches it can be intercepted and captured and then used.


    you know when I first see any official announcement about Russians pumping money in EMALS we can return to conversation. So far form real world I can rear about VTOL carrier rockets lol1 lol1
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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:01 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:ok ok but I love to troll pindosov with fake moon landing lol1 lol1 lol1

    Yeah, I've been guilty of that on a few occasions, but I'm not such an idiot that I believe it. Laughing It is however good to annoy the unwashed mouth-breathers of the accused Seppostani Imperium! Twisted Evil
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    Post  GarryB Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:59 am

    And as a matter of principle I don't believe anything that the aforementioned brain-dead flat-earther says.

    So you agree with the concept... excellent.

    Orville and Wilbur Wright produced video footage of their flight regardless of length (unless Vann The Flat-Earther will prove that it was some ol' timey CGI from 1903)

    Yes, but the year before the first beta version of Photoshop was released and could have been used to fake the footage on a frame by frame basis...

    NASA produced moon rocks that have been proven by Russian scientists (among numerous others) to be from off Earth.

    They were proven to be moon rocks by comparing them with moon rocks the Soviet scientists had already recovered from the Moon... so based on that evidence the Soviets put men on the moon first... but it is a secret...

    Actually they have Hitler on a big prison on the moon... the US actually almost gave the secret away in the documentary called Men In Black III...

    What do Russians have that proves that Gagarin flew to space? All I was able to find was some crappy footage of supposed launch and their scout's honor pinky swear that it like totally happened.

    Nothing, except the fact that the rocket he was in was tracked by the west on certain legs of its orbit... it was years before the US could do the same...

    See how that works? Bricks and glass houses.

    Sounds like a fair trade... the Russians are proud of their achievements in space, but not as delirious as the Americans...

    ok ok but I love to troll pindosov with fake moon landing

    They only knew about moon rock because Soviet missions had already returned samples... who is to say that those enormous rockets they filmed that were supposed to be taking those astronauts to the moon weren't just taking them to earth orbit and leaving them there for the duration of the "mission" while automated probes went and got soil and rock samples and returned them and landed with the men who spent the whole time in earth orbit...

    you know when I first see any official announcement about Russians pumping money in EMALS we can return to conversation. So far form real world I can rear about VTOL carrier rockets

    Well you seem keen on these VTOL fighters when they talk about STOL aircraft that might use VSTOL technology... sounds like a description of the Su-57.... without the VSTOL technology to me... which would be the cheapest and easiest option in terms of development.


    Yeah, I've been guilty of that on a few occasions, but I'm not such an idiot that I believe it. Laughing It is however good to annoy the unwashed mouth-breathers of the accused Seppostani Imperium!

    Well it is very aggressive to call someone a liar isn't it... and they keep saying Russia is aggressive...[/quote]


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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:34 am

    Nothing, except the fact that the rocket he was in was tracked by the west on certain legs of its orbit... it was years before the US could do the same...

    And how do we know that there was human onboard?

    Nothing but Russian pinky swear scout's honor that he like totally was.

    Going by your logic Americans had human in space the first time they launched V2 they dragged home from Germany.

    Where is evidence that Gagarin went to space? Flat-Earther can demand extra proof so I am doing the same.

    Where is evidence? One metal ball, a crappy footage of what could easily be empty rocket and Russian word proves only that they had some fuel to burn and loads of hot air to blow.

    Wrights provided physical evidence, NASA provided physical evidence.
    Your move Russia, put up or STFU.
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    Post  chinggis Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:51 pm

    Well it is food for thought, if in 1960 have a technology for radiation shielding in Apollo program and they flight to the Moon then, why now we have a projects like a BION-M2, why space shuttle is never flight in high earth orbit( it is few times, but crew experienced sparks in eyes). And I never hear or read that Apollo crew have this sensations. To be honest, I think back in 1960s nobody is care to much for astronauts, somehow they are expendable and there is more than enough waiting in row to ride on "top of candle" so, they can choose one with best endurance to radiation and hope it all will go in best way. But time is change and there is need for more and more people to be in space and with that your ability to choose one with high tolerance to radiation is depleted. If you wish to colonize or go to Moon or Mars, you will need different type of peoples on board, geologist, biologist, engineers and travel is longer (to Mars) and they will stay there more than Apollo crew is stay on Moon.
    How I say, just for thought, once we have a technology to make a pyramids, but now we are unable to make one wall to be vertical or with right dimensions.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:01 am

    PapaDragon wrote:And how do we know that there was human onboard?

    Voice and TV transmissions from the capsule.

    Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2 - Page 32 Vostok1

    Also implied by the design of the recovered capsule with it's ejection seat runners and instrumentation for an occupant.

    I hope you are pursuing this line of inquiry out of sarcasm and not out of some kind on Vann-ish belief system? Laughing
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:51 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:And how do we know that there was human onboard?

    Voice and TV transmissions from the capsule.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b1/Vostok1.jpg

    Also implied by the design of the recovered capsule with it's ejection seat runners and instrumentation for an occupant.

    I hope you are pursuing this line of inquiry out of sarcasm and not out of some kind on Vann-ish belief system? Laughing

    Pure sarcasm of course, who do you take me for?

    Also, this doesn't prove anything, that footage could have been easily recorded and passed off as real deal. Same with capsule, it proves nothing by itself.

    How can they prove that it was transmitted from space? They can't.

    See the problem when someone goes chasing conspiracy theories?

    It means that your side is also open to scrutiny and in this case only reason people believe that Gagarin traveled to space is because Americans chose to corroborate these claims since they also detected this transmission and were good sports about it.

    Just like Russians chose to be good sports about Americans landing on the Moon long before they received any moon rocks.

    It's called having dignity. Not something our local Flat Earther here or Trampoline Man in Roskosmos are familiar with.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:00 am

    Wrights provided physical evidence, NASA provided physical evidence.
    Your move Russia, put up or STFU.

    The evidence provided by the US is no more or less compelling than that provided by the Soviets.

    It means that your side is also open to scrutiny and in this case only reason people believe that Gagarin traveled to space is because Americans chose to corroborate these claims since they also detected this transmission and were good sports about it.

    Just like Russians chose to be good sports about Americans landing on the Moon long before they received any moon rocks.

    It's called having dignity. Not something our local Flat Earther here or Trampoline Man in Roskosmos are familiar with.

    Not dignity... respect.

    The US didn't really like the Soviets because they were athiests and different, but they respected them and their achievements... including first object in orbit, first man in orbit, first landing on the moon, first rover on the moon, first orbit of the moon, first picture of the dark side of the moon, first returned soil samples from the moon.... etc etc... even first objects landed on Mars and Venus... all the US really achieved was first man on the moon... which is really only a small incremental step beyond what the Soviets were doing anyway.

    Russians are bad and are genetically wrong... wired to do evil... why should they trust a country that thinks that of them?

    BTW America is so full of itself, why would it care what anyone else thinks anyway?
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    Post  Hole Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:18 am

    Keep in mind that Koroljow never intended to land on the moon. Was a political decision. That´s why the N-1 didn´t work well.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:14 pm

    The Saturn range of rockets wasn't that amazing either... they were lucky not to lose people.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Dec 17, 2018 6:20 am

    Hole wrote:Keep in mind that Koroljow never intended to land on the moon. Was a political decision. That´s why the N-1 didn´t work well.

    No, the N-1 was always going to be Korolevs moon rocket, but what screwed it was late design changes requiring an increase its it lift capacity, as well as Glushko's monstrous ego when he refused to build the kerolox engines that Korolev needed.   Glushko wanted Korolev to use hypergolics like Chelomei proposed on his competing UR-700, but Korolev refused.  Glushko spat out his dummy, refused to co-operate, and Korolev was forced to commission Kuznetsov to build engines instead.  Kuznetsov had never built rocket engines before IIRC, and to develop engines to meet the N-1 schedule he had to restrict their size.  Koroloev was therefore forced to use a large number (30x in 1st stage) of small engines (NK-15 and its follow-on NK-33) instead of several big units.  it was the complex and fragile piping for the engines, weaknesses in the clunky engine control & shutdown system and the unexpected gas dynamics in flight, that directly caused the test flight failures.

    Glushko and Chelomei essentially sabotaged the N-1, and Korolev's untimely death was the final straw.  Mishin wasn't the savvy political operator that Korolev was, and was unable to resolve the technical problems before the program was aborted after failed 7L flight.  

    Ironically, the N-1 follow-on Vulkan/Energia used hydrolox not hypergolics, so Glushko still didn'ty get what he wanted...  

    I've never understood why the Soviet government didn't dangle Glushkos balls over an oxy-torch and tell him to get his sh*t together and build the engines as asked.  NASA would not have stood for such childish BS, and the Soviet space leadership lamented that the American space community were "better Communists" than they were... Laughing

    I'll take the opportunity to post my fav pic of N-1. IIRC this is either the 5th or 6th test flight articles in the assembly hall. Broken up and disposed of after the plug was pulled.... cry

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    Post  Vann7 Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:09 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:And how do we know that there was human onboard?

    Voice and TV transmissions from the capsule.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b1/Vostok1.jpg

    Also implied by the design of the recovered capsule with it's ejection seat runners and instrumentation for an occupant.

    I hope you are pursuing this line of inquiry out of sarcasm and not out of some kind on Vann-ish belief system?  Laughing

    Pure sarcasm of course, who do you take me for?

    Also, this doesn't prove anything, that footage could have been easily recorded and passed off as real deal. Same with capsule, it proves nothing by itself.

    How can they prove that it was transmitted from space? They can't.

    See the problem when someone goes chasing conspiracy theories?

    It means that your side is also open to scrutiny and in this case only reason people believe that Gagarin traveled to space is because Americans chose to corroborate these claims since they also detected this transmission and were good sports about it.

    Just like Russians chose to be good sports about Americans landing on the Moon long before they received any moon rocks.

    It's called having dignity. Not something our local Flat Earther here or Trampoline Man in Roskosmos are familiar with.


    So what will you do when the Russian Government officially says NASA did not landed on the moon?
    ARE you going to apologize to everyone for your bullshit and propaganda? you are an obvious TROLL and will
    not be surprised you are a paid NGO troll.. that comes the forums to spread disinformation..  
    There is plenty of evidence NASA faked the moon landings.. but you as the troll you are ignore the evidence
    and call it "fake."  Rogozin you can like him or not ,but he have total access and total communication with
    Putin and the entire intelligence services and total access to the top scientist of Russia space program.. and as the head of Roscosmos.. he had to know and receive first hand information directly from the FSB and from Putin..

    With your bullshit you are not going to change this..
    The Fact RT a RUssian Government financed media.. revive the moon controversy of NASA all the time ,every few months ,for many years.. is very telling..and that Putin very close officers ,have questioned the moon landing and Putin remains silent.. Is very eye opening. only someone totally dishonest , or very ignorant , or with a brain dysfunction ,with serious problems of logical thinking will believe that NASA ever landed with humans in the moon. after the mountains of evidence that counters their story .  You are going to miserably fail in your agenda , in promoting NASA fantasy tale story .. and  For the million of time..
    Is not only ROGOZIN , IS the Russian GOVERNMENT through its media hinting NASA never landed in the moon...
    they have been doing this way before Rogozin was part of Russian government. so keep ignoring that Troll.
    and so is the tons of serious investigations ,many which i posted before the links , dozens of times ,that counters NASA claims.. so is the word of a troll like you , and the word of NASA.. vs the word of Russia government.. and of thousands of serious investigations on the internet.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:31 pm

    Vann7 wrote:you are an obvious TROLL and will
    not be surprised you are a paid NGO troll.. that comes the forums to spread disinformation..


    What's the matter flat-earther? Getting bit angsty there. You don't like getting owned?


    Vann7 wrote:...Is not only ROGOZIN , IS the Russian GOVERNMENT through its media hinting NASA never landed in the moon...


    And I am hinting that I have 80cm long Johnson. My hint is evidence enough of my bold claims.


    Vann7 wrote:.... and of thousands of serious investigations on the internet...

    Internet... lol1 lol1 lol1


    Vann7 wrote:..So what will you do when the Russian Government officially says NASA did not landed on the moon?

    Nothing because they will never get to say it.

    Only thing Russians will be able to do should they ever reach the Moon is to visit Apollo-11 landing site and humbly salute heroes who were there long before them.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:21 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Only thing Russians will be able to do should they ever reach the Moon is to visit Apollo-11 landing site and humbly salute heroes who were there long before them.

    Nah, they'll remove the flag and erase the footprints... "Nah, not us Guv, honest. We dindu nuffin..." Laughing
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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:39 pm

    Proton-M successfully launches with Blagovest No.13L

    Russia has successfully launched a military communications satellite Friday morning, with a Proton-M/Briz-M rocket lifting off from the Baikonur Cosmodrome to deploy Blagovest No.13L into geostationary orbit. Launch occurred on time at 05:20 local time (00:20 UTC), although it will be nine hours before Proton’s payload separates into its final orbit.

    Blagovest No.13L is the third satellite to be launched for Russia’s Blagovest communications system. Designed to provide dedicated satellite links between the country’s military bases, Blagovest spacecraft are equipped with Ka and Q-band transponders. The satellites are intended for dual military and civilian use, supporting commercial telephony, high-speed internet and broadcasting services, although the military role is their primary mission.

    The Russian Ministry of Defence intends to deploy a constellation of at least four Blagovest into geostationary orbit, using slots at 45 and 128 degrees East. The spacecraft have been constructed by ISS Reshetnev and are based around the Ekspress 2000 platform. While their military nature means that few details of their capabilities have been made public, it is understood that each satellite is expected to operate for at least fifteen years.

    The first Blagovest satellite, No.11L – now named Kosmos 2520, was launched in August 2017 and is positioned in the 45-degree-East slot of the constellation. Blagovest No.12L, or Kosmos 2526, followed in April and was placed at 128 degrees East.

    After deployment Blagovest No.13L will be renamed under the system of Kosmos designations that are applied to most of Russia’s military spacecraft. Under this system of sequential numbers dating back to 1962, the satellite is expected to become Kosmos 2533 – although this will not be confirmed until the satellite is safely in orbit. If November’s Rokot launch carried more satellites than have been officially announced, Blagovest could be given a higher Kosmos number.

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    After jettisoning its auxiliary propellant tank, Briz-M’s fourth and final burn raised the orbit’s perigee and decrease its inclination, leaving Blagovest in geostationary orbit. Spacecraft separation occurred shortly after the end of the fourth burn.


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    Nice launch video.  Say what you like about Proton with its nasty hypergolics, but she a beautiful sight when she takes off.  The clean appearance of the rocket wash is unmatched by kerolox or filthy solids. IMHO only hydrolox Delta Heavy comes close, but unfortunately you can't appreciate it in nighttime launches like this.

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:37 pm


    Unconfirmed: Roskosmos selected version of super-heavy rocket with 1 RD-180 core and 6 RD-171 boosters

    https://ria.ru/20181223/1548507026.html

    Conventional solution. RD-180 is in mass production, reliable and dirt cheap while RD-171 is a monster.  Payload capacity should be 103 tons.



    Just imagine LEO space station made of 100 ton segments. love

    Interesting 1/2/3 stage sequence, check it out (bottom right):

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:35 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:


    Just imagine LEO space station made of 100 ton segments.  love  

    Interesting 1/2/3 stage sequence, check it out (bottom right):

    well, well, well since Rogozin started to shake this pit of sadness suddenly ideas about heavy rockets, it seems to kick start. Good.



    The design of the rocket "Angara" changed after purging the layout in the wind tunnel

    MOSCOW, December 24 - RIA News . The parameters of the Angara-A5 rocket and its flight paths were corrected after testing a carrier model at the Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute (TsAGI).
    “According to the results of experimental studies at TsAGI, the company-developer introduced the necessary changes to the Angara-A5 design. Thus, the application patterns and thickness of the heat-shielding coating were corrected, new fairings were installed to protect the side block separation system, and - said in a statement TsAGI.

    Tests of Angara-A5 launch vehicle models were carried out in a large hypersonic wind tunnel, as well as in a TsAGI impact wind tunnel. Analysis of the results showed that a number of elements of the launch vehicle design are subject to a dangerous level of heat exposure and require protection. In this regard, TsAGI specialists have developed recommendations on how to protect the device from such loads.
    The report notes that a second flight of the Angara-A5 launch vehicle is currently being prepared.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:53 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Unconfirmed: Roskosmos selected version of super-heavy rocket with 1 RD-180 core and 6 RD-171 boosters

    https://ria.ru/20181223/1548507026.html

    Conventional solution. RD-180 is in mass production, reliable and dirt cheap while RD-171 is a monster.  Payload capacity should be 103 tons.

    Good choice.  thumbsup  Essentially Soyuz-5 strap-ons around a modified Soyuz-5 core (with RD-180 replacing RD-171).  Minimal technical risk and uses existing engines which are currently either in production or are upgrades on existing models. Best bang for the ruble.

    Interestingly, the hydrolox 2nd stage is identified as the same as proposed for the Angara A5V enhanced launcher.  I take that as more confirmation that A5V is in active development (no surprise as A5V was always a logical upgrade to fill the gap between 25T Angara and 100T class Soyuz-5 stack)

    ~100T LEO capacity is adequate for a SHLV as it supports lunar missions and heavy orbital assemblies.  While bigger is always more impressive, I don't think it would be wise for Russia to try a 150-180T class booster at this point in time from the POV of cost and risk and schedule.

    Meanwhile, Zak the 5th columnist fuktard proclaims "Dilemmas still facing the Russian super-rocket program".... does this Atlantacist azzhole ever give up his one-man crusade to shit-can Russian space industry? Suspect

    Now lets see them build it...   russia
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:38 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:...~100T LEO capacity is adequate for a SHLV as it supports lunar missions and heavy orbital assemblies. While bigger is always more impressive, I don't think it would be wise for Russia to try a 150-180T class booster at this point in time from the POV of cost and risk and schedule....

    Agreed.

    Personally I would love nothing more than to see 200ton beast on launchpad but this is definitely more sustainable approach.

    If they need to they can develop larger core stage with RD-0120 engine later, everything else will be in use by then.

    And most importantly there isn't a single payload on drawing board or even concept stage that would require 200ton capacity rocket.



    Big_Gazza wrote:...Meanwhile, Zak the 5th columnist fuktard proclaims "Dilemmas still facing the Russian super-rocket program".... does this Atlantacist azzhole ever give up his one-man crusade to shit-can Russian space industry?

    Zak gets to do what he does because Roskosmos is too lazy to allocate one guy with internet access to do that job 20 minutes per week.

    Until that happens Zak has the market cornered fair and square.

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