-no, & it'll only confirm to those indifferent & the intelligentsia who support Putin that the liberals r right to be against him.
Why would they care about Navalny or his demise in prison?
He means nothing.
- but not what the West can do with stolen $ & assets abroad;
If they had that lever to pull they would have used it years ago.... they have confiscated the assets of other countries and people before... they have such a long history of doing that a smart person like Putin would never risk his stash overseas and vulnerable... that is just silly.
if the elites have more to loose by Putin in power, they'll turn on him.
Probably true, but they make more from a healthy growing economy than they make from civil war and western occupation and takeoff...
With their$, they can buy Army/RG generals before they get orders to shoot protesters
With their rubles they are likely to just up and leave if things change...
-I doubt it; he now put himself in the corner & will think twice before leaving too far from his bunkers.
He hasn't done anything... the Russian judicial system did what it was always going to do... but now they have him they can hold him to account for all the other criminal things he has been saying and doing, so expect more trials and more sentences... and they wont be home detention with an ankle tag this time.
-no, they were told to out him behind bars for 2y8mo. this time, & that's what happened. There's another trial now on unrelated case .
As I said... now they have him under lock and key they can try him for all his crimes, and being a convicted criminal now it is more likely they will stick...
-then don't acuse me again of not presenting any evidence confirming my assertions, since u refuse to see articles just because they r from certain sites.
Information from the NYT or CNN or BBC is not evidence, and neither are statements from the US state department.
Information from known liars and manipulators has no value in any discussion, except on what the enemy wants you to think, or what the enemy is doing behind closed doors because their accusations often reflect their covert actions with a frightening level of accuracy.
Case in point what they did in the Ukraine and Belarus and Venezuela and now in Russia... but the headlines are Russian meddling in US election... when the democrats lose... not when they win of course.
-they r all approved & have no chance; Navalny was not.
They get approved by following the rules... Navalny never follows the rules so he can claim it is Putin that is afraid of him and preventing him from getting in to the competition.
-I & the Russians gave him the benefit of the doubt, but now he has been exposed of who he really is. Once a KGB agent, always a KGB agent.
The KGB worked to keep Russians safe for a very long time, you use the term KGB agent like it is a bad thing.
The CIAs record is much worse yet US presidents who worked in the CIA exist... In fact George Bush Snr was in the CIA wasn't he... he actually ran the CIA, and later his son became president.... he wasn't in the CIA because he couldn't spell CIA, but surely a person who was in the KGB is less of a problem than a person who ran the KGB and then got his retarded son elected a few decades later...
- no, u r being manipulated by the pro-Putin's propaganda, while I read from all sources, unlike u.
You only post links from anti Putin sources... you cover all sides of the story like CNN and the BBC do... in other words you don't.
-this former KGB head acted like Pinochet
Pinochet... an American agent... interesting comparison...
What u call democracy there is mafia/Mussolini-style democracy.
But in the US it is the peoples choice... you can choose brand A or brand B... choosing C or D is just throwing your vote away...
-flimsy & thinly stretched reasoning
Pretty simple basic and obvious facts you mean.
- he visited it & was going to use it. If the Russians don't prevent him from doing so, he won't hesitate coming there again.
But you said it was his... how can Russians stop him from going there? And why would they want to?
- but now u say that 100% is not true; then, in ur judgement, pro-Putin media is correct 100%?
Not at all, the west will seed their lies with true facts, Russia didn't start the conflict in Georgia in 2008, but she did kick Georgian forces out of SO and pushed them back deep into Georgian territory.
I don't have access to any Pro Putin media.... RT and Sputnik repeated all the bullshit about Navalny, but they chose to stick with facts instead of just printing the shit that came from Navalnys mouth.
- he is smart compared to other leaders since Stalin, but that's hardly a complement & something to be extremely proud of.
He has turned round an essentally broken country and made it enough of a rival to scare the US and EU... if he did that to the UK he would be knighted at the very least.
The oligarchs that pay him a tribute r a lot smarter than he is.
Well they must be very cunning because there is no evidence they paid him anything at all.
But Navalny, the Russian Assange, is even smarter for exposing that "the king is naked" & succeeding in forcing Putin to defend his reputation.
He would need to be moved to solitary confinement for 10 years under the threat of execution by Putin if he ever came near Russia, and that is ignoring all the good work Assange did to get into shit that deep, which is something Navalny would run away from at 100 miles an hour. He is as soft as shit and would fold like a sheet of card designed for origami... pre perforated to make the folds straight and clean and easy.
-then, they would be discredited even more, & lose all claim to legitimacy at home. Putin is smart enough to do what he did, but that won't help him in the long run.
What you you talking about... people in comas die all the time...
-then why claim that the FSB was guarding him against the West's assassins?
He is technically an enemy of the state.... but he is no Will Smith... following him is useful to find out the US and EU network of funding and supporting traitors operating in Russia.
They can't follow him and get information if he is dead.
Was Nemtsov a nobody too? A "nobody" doesn't get his plane diverted to a different airport so he can be detained easier w/o his supporters' interference.
Yeah, that was smart... probably Putins idea to avoid a scene that he was clearly planning to create with all his fuckwits turning up at what turned out to be the wrong airport... boo hoo.
- by the same token, the VKS killed many civilians in Syria.
The places they bombed were ISIS controlled... civilians killed were ISIS supporters.
Navalny's treatment is a very good excuse to blame Russia, irrespective of what the accusers do.
What treatment... he broke parole.... that is normal anywhere.
- if true, why wasn't he arrested then? the only reason is that the FSB & Putin, would then have no alibi if he died in jail/prison instead of on his "illegal" travels.
Under Putin the rules have been relaxed... navalny still managed to break them... but prison numbers are dramatically going down with home detention for people who are not a danger to the community. They were being nice giving him a suspended sentence in the first place and so he pissed all over them. They had no choice but to put him in prison and also try him for all his other crimes too. Navalny blew it and now he is going to pay.
- even then, it's now grown out of proportion & become the bullet that Putin shot at his own foot & the boomerang that will hit his head.
There are no bullets or boomerangs. The shooting themselves in the foot experts are in the west... pissing over potential good relations with Russia and cheap gas and getting rid of more terrorists in Syria, but no, they want Russia to be the same level bitch as Germany has become or nothing.
Putin is evil and bad because he has finally said.... OK... nothing it is.
-w/o his involvement, the poisonings wouldn't happen at all.
They didn't happen anyway.
-the elites treat them as colonized subjects; that state of affairs won't last long.
But the elites in the US come round every christmas with a free turkey for everyone and some presents to put under your tree...
-if Navalny didn't care about Russians being fleeced, he wouldn't get into trouble he is now.
He is in prison for fleecing foreign companies... how long will French companies trade with Russia with
like him stealing from them. Remember he stole from the foreign company that was investing money in Russia... how is that going to effect future foreign investment and development?
Your hero is a dirtbag.
The West failed to destroy her, but Putin may succeed, by plunging her into civil war.
It is the west trying to start a civil war, but their attempts are pathetic... they picked a lame horse that is not interested in anything but drinking and smoking crack.... western butt crack it seems.
-even with all borrowed terms/words, the Russian is too rich to be traded for quaking German, or any other language, for that matter.
When the pro west puppets take over in the English sector they will speak only english, and in the German sector only german, the American sector probably english but hard to understand, and of course the french sector will speak bullshit.
- too many assumptions! remove ur prisms: I don't condone nor justify what happened in Libya; removing Putin sooner rather than later may be the best thing what happens to Russia & Russians.
Yeah, gambling with a whole country... get rid of the leader by what ever means necessary and then see what shit floats to the top. If you can bribe them then they get to lead. If they are not interested in your bribes then you fund the opposition for the next 10 years worth of civil war.
Love to see that applied to the US of A.
He uses judo against Putin himself, using his opponent's strength & stupidity against him.
Putin is in office and Navalny is in jail. I think I know who won that round.
So far all the indications r that it works
See how wrong you are? Putin in office... Navalny in Jail... you call that a win for Navalny?
Putin ratings r falling, & soon he'll have no friends/partners/donors left
All politician ratings fall over time, and considering the current situation in the world I would say most western leaders would kill for a 70% rating right now.
The point is that there is no one in the game against him that is picking up support as Putins support goes down... he is like Obama going for re election... I am a nothing president who didn't do anything useful, I accepted a peace prize I didn't deserve and started lots of unnecessary wars and killed thousands of people using drones, but my opposition is a nobody so I am going to get reelected because there is no real alternative to me.
Putin wouldn't be so arrogant however.
W/o them, he'll be a nobody in Russia. Saddam too had $Ms but died at the end of the rope, as well as Najib who made many enemies as head of the Afghan KGB.
But surely he will retire to his palace and contemplate how to spend his hundreds of billions of dollars stolen from poor handicapped Russian orphans.
-yes, the less gov. interference in people's affairs, the better.
So the opposite of US and EU governments?
-we do, but we r Judeo-Christian nation, not the Taoist like the Tang China was.
We are talking about Russia which is no Taoist either...
- Navalny may also win, not as any party's head, but as the 1 who got rid of Putin & his cronies.
Not unless someone smuggles him a suitcase nuke and he can convince Putin to visit him in prison...
- how do u know that I don't, & what do u care about?
All the time I spend entertaining some of your dumbest ideas to date when I could be spending it more fruitfully.
- she'll gain by controlling the buffer state directly, outflanking Ukraine, and increasing her population. Learn Russian geography & mil. history again.
I understand that people are dumb, but all these years of buffer state politics in Europe has melted brains and made people really much dumber.
A buffer state is only really a buffer state if it is totally expendable.
First ask yourself how the people of Belarus will feel about that.
Having a neutral neighbour or a hostile neighbour or a friendly neighbour makes very little difference... if they are neutral then you watch their border with HATO and when HATO forces cross in to Belarus then the country they cross in from can be openly nuked in preemptive self defence. If they are hostile then HATO forces might be camped in there anyway, which means any attack and Belarus gets nuked. If they are friendly then some Russian units can be stationed in Belarus, but if HATO tries to invade then the HATO countries bordering Belarus get nuked again. Sharing an enormous border with the Ukraine is not very useful or desirable.
The cost of fixing their economy and rebuilding their industries will come from Russian pockets... it wont increase Russias wealth... it will deduct from it... and no matter how much money is committed it wont be enough in their eyes.
All that funding and financial support can go to Russian companies in Russia to support development and upgrades in their areas of industry and production.
-true, but if Hitler was killed then, they hoped to end the war sooner & save what still could be saved.
If they genuinely wanted that they could have laid down their arms and just surrendered instead of forcing the Soviets to lose millions of lives driving to and taking Berlin.
-no, Russia with her economy which is < than the state of TX can't hurt the US.
Can't hurt... already is... the US is going to have to spend tens of trillions on a nation wide IADS to defend itself from naval cruise missiles... and as more and more countries stop using the US dollar it will only get worse.
The US used its dollar as a weapon and so ultimately it was the US that broke its monopoly.
It is curious why Russia released the video of Navalnys henchman meeting with a MI6 agent when they did. They had the footage all this time. Why didn't they release it the day after the fake Navalny poisoning ? The FSB must have more dirt like this one him. They should send some of this dirt anonymously to Wikileaks. Let them release it. Then it will get more traction.
Might even get Assange out of jail... if they say there is more.
They probably have the video of the Saudis killing Kashogi.... that would be worth a bit politically too.
FYI, Navalny tried to register his party since 2010, but was prevented by technicalities.
Navalny intentionally breaks the rules like illegal protests and gatherings to get western media attention about putin oppressing him... he intentionally makes mistakes on his registration form to assure he doesn't have to do anything else except complain about Putin personally stopping him from running.
Of course the rules are for everybody and Putin has no hand in making the rules or enforcing them.
.-the Putin regime is no less ruthless.
Yes, of course... the west supporting real terrorists and murderers around the world, destroying countries and letting millions starve and be murdered in their own country makes them ruthless, and putin... not stopping Navalny from going to prison for crimes he committed and was tried and convicted for.... ohh how can you compare the evil of putin with the little minor mistakes and white lies to cover them up from the west...
-in some ways they r. FYI, the RG now has the legal right to shoot, & it was given long before Navalny went to Germany.
Hahahahahaha... being given the legal right to shoot... but not actually doing so, compared with blowing peoples hands off and shattering eyeballs and actually killing people and you think the people who are allowed to use lethal force but don't are far worse than people murdering and maiming their own people.
Can you not see the problem with that position?
Five people got shot in the US in one incident... but Russian police are worse...
Ahhh... maybe those five people were black and don't count?
1 of them Putin's FSB paying Trump since 2007.
They didn't get any value for that money because he sanctioned Russia more than Obama did... except it is all bullshit anyway... any problems... blame Russia.... really getting boring.
- the sad joke would be if Trump won again.
Very close to half the population voted for him... and that was people who turned up to vote in person and verified their identity... all the Mail in votes seemed to go to Creepy Joe... even dead people wanted to vote for him...
It is all about jokes because it clearly has nothing to do with democracy.
.- ur sarcasm thinks! even if only 10M watched that clip, they said nothing & didn't report it to be removed, & their silence speaks louder than words.
Where is the evidence they watched it right through. Where is the evidence they were even Russian... maybe the western bosses of Navalny were checking up on his work. How many people heard about this guy on the western news which wont shut up about that arsehole and they saw a youtube video and clicked on it.
To think you believe that 10 million views of a youtube video prove anything at all proves you are not a useful source that can be trusted for critical thinking on this issue.
- while the oligarchs who work with Putin hand in glove convert Russia's wealth to $ to be kept in Western banks & real estate.
But they can't risk that because it would be seized if it was discovered...
-easier said than done; all those market segments r taken over.
Don't be greedy and work on a model of volume rather than return per item. You will quickly take over the market.
-legalized temporary workers.
Legal workers demand better pay and rights and other things they don't want to bother about.
- if they don't lie, than don't dismiss them next time.
Of course they are lying... it is more like 30% of Russians didn't know who that western tool was.
- my integrity isn't for sale.
You are already spouting the bullshit, the difference would be to get paid for it.
It is like getting paid to piss... the term piss poor derives from the use of urine to extract urea and other things from... they used to pay poor people to piss in to a pot.
- Under the right leadership, Russia can buy Ukraine many times over.
It has the best leadership currently available, and WTF would it want with that shithole?
now I know that u r a genocidal maniac like Hitler, Churchill & Truman were. & u call urself Russia's friend?
Coming from someone living in the US that is amusing... what were you recently saying about 60 million plus trump supporters, but I mention 5K traitors and I am Hitler... if I have told you once I have told you a billion times dude... don't exaggerate....
- it's too late now, Navalny has done it; while Putin wanted to avoid ?s about the source of those $1B used to build it. who wants to be seen as a bribetaker?
The guy who said he owned it perhaps?
Love to see how many liberals and western media get killed trying to get footage of the place now....
- he could be forgiven if the Russian people were a lot better off than they r now.
The reason they are not a lot better off now is because of western sanctions and open aggression... that is who they should be blaming, with teh realisation if they want to improve their lot further then they need to look beyond the west and trade with the rest of the world which is held back by the west the same way they try to hold back Russia and China and India. Pretty soon the world and Russia and China and India will be able to trade and develop and grow without western tentacles breaking things and doing damage and the world will be a much better more multi polar world.
- I'm not a prophet.
But surely you know everything else about him... this should be easy.
if ever it to happen, AUS & NZ would be colonized by China, so u may need to learn Chinese or emigrate to Chile & learn Spanish there.
Yes, because China has hundreds of years history infiltrating and invading countries and turning them into their colonial bitches.... ooops, no, that was europe and the US.... not China or Russia or India for that matter.