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    Post  Maximmmm Mon Feb 01, 2021 1:53 pm



    FBK literally in bed with MI6. Why this is only released now and why they're not all behind bars is a travesty.

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    Post  LMFS Mon Feb 01, 2021 1:54 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Don't remember commies agitating for the break-up of the USSR, privatization, separatist conflicts and all the rest of it.

    No need to agitate, commies did that themselves...

    And yeah, now we have 'stability', but not a great situation for those masses who had the rug swept from beneath their feet in the 90s.

    Only a 12-fold reduction in poverty levels, Russian women stopped prostituting themselves in the West long time ago if you didn't notice. Plus sovereignty recovered plus national security restored plus disintegration of the state stopped plus constitutional changes plus round-up of the 5th column plus restoring of the industry plus... you try to keep you argument in the face of facts as per customary communist dogmatism, no surprises here.

    But I'm not agitating for the break-up or destabilization of Russia. Far from it. Simply a rethink of the legislation, economy and many other changes made by Yeltsin, that Grandmaster Putin of da People hasn't put right. To achieve that first it's neccessary to show one's strength. And at the same time it will serve to undermine the actual 5th column opposition and convert it into a productive one.

    The same that is happening, only at the speed that reality allows without rocking the boat beyond what can be controlled and beneficial. But to appreciate that stable, determined long term trend you actually need to have longer memories than a fish and not being allergic to anything non-communist.

    As for the KPRF, I hardly care about them. It's enough to start waving Soviet flags and the right people will find each other.

    LOL, leftists and their million doctrinal currents and sects are always funny to watch cheers

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Feb 01, 2021 2:00 pm

    Maximmmm wrote:

    FBK literally in bed with MI6. Why this is only released now and why they're not all behind bars is a travesty.

    What do you mean why is it only released now?

    All attention is on Navalny, it's the perfect time to release damning evidence on him and his organization.

    And that's rather more effective actually than simply arresting everyone.

    Together with the similarly strategically timed recent video from the Mash channel with a walking around of Putin's alleged palace showing it to be a site in the midst of ongoing construction and renovation and far from the opulent retreat that it was portrayed as, as well as the police knowing all the protestor's routes and assembly points in advance - I'd say that Russian counter-intelligence has been demonstrating competent results.

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Feb 01, 2021 2:20 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Don't remember commies agitating for the break-up of the USSR, privatization, separatist conflicts and all the rest of it.

    No need to agitate, commies did that themselves...

    Sorry, don't recall that. The only protests commies did were in the 90s when everything was been privatized, divided up into the private property of various oligarch clans, and people's living standards, life expectency and employment rates were plummeting.

    Only a 12-fold reduction in poverty levels, Russian women stopped prostituting themselves in the West long time ago if you didn't notice. Plus sovereignty recovered plus national security restored plus disintegration of the state stopped plus constitutional changes plus round-up of the 5th column plus restoring of the industry plus... you try to keep you argument in the face of facts as per customary communist dogmatism, no surprises here.

    They undid some of the damage they did. Great

    But I'm not calling for destabilization, again. I'm talking about a civic protest that puts pressure for socialist reforms.
    And now's the time to do it because there's never a right time, and there will never be a time when the West doesn't want to overthrow Russia; but that's not an excuse for stopping the country from evolving.

    The same that is happening, only at the speed that reality allows without rocking the boat beyond what can be controlled and beneficial. But to appreciate that stable, determined long term trend you actually need to have longer memories than a fish and not being allergic to anything non-communist.

    Nope, I see only further negative trends in terms of laws, legislation, the social course of the country.

    In terms of economics, I'm certainly all for the investments in education, healthcare, the military, mass housing, agriculture, reindustrialization that the government is doing. But they're ignoring a lot of other things and all forms of feedback from the citizenry to the government are a joke.

    LOL, leftists and their million doctrinal currents and sects are always funny to watch cheers

    Nothing to do with doctrine or sects

    The KPRF is simply a worker's aristrocracy and led by a dinosaur; and not through accident. It's not a party that can mobilize anything. But certainly a lot of its members have their own opinion.
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    Post  lyle6 Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:52 pm

    Maximmmm wrote:

    FBK literally in bed with MI6. Why this is only released now and why they're not all behind bars is a travesty.

    High treason. Throw them in a hole and throw away the keys.
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    Post  calripson Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:42 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:The catch is that there r no decent/good paying jobs outside of gov. anyway.
    There is also big shortage of labor force- if more folks r outside of it, more migrants will fill their place, increasing discontent & crime.

    This is nonsensical zero sum economic thinking. The right kind of immigrants increase the country's economic capacity - they don't steal from a finite supply of jobs. Have all the Asian and Indian high tech workers in Silicon Valley "stolen" jobs from average Americans? No, they have become the engine pulling the whole train.

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    Post  kvs Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:25 pm

    So TS pulled another "fact" form his anus: that Navalny's clown show never gets legal permits. Except that in the real world
    and not TS's make believe cloud kookoo land Navalny was known for violating the permits he and his organizers obtained for protests.
    for the last 15 years. In the west, if you willfully break the law in a serial manner, you get progressively worse punishments.
    So Russian authorities denying permits to clowns who have systematically ignored their provisions for years is called due legal
    process.

    TS is spewing Gish Gallop.

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    Post  kvs Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:33 pm

    Note how the slimy Brit dismisses the exposure of British spying in the wifi rock case as "Russia saving it for political purposes".
    Yeah, listening to you freaks froth at the mouth about Russian spies under your beds gives your whinging so much gravitas.

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    Post  PhSt Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:35 pm

    Maximmmm wrote:

    FBK literally in bed with MI6. Why this is only released now and why they're not all behind bars is a travesty.

    How Popular is RT Russian in Russia? I think this piece needs to be broadcasted in more media outlets in Russia to reach the maximum number of viewers. This Expose is very important to make it clear to Russian people that this clown is just another NATzO lapdog.

    Also an English version would be very welcome
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    Post  kvs Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:43 pm

    I do not think that this is an RT exclusive. Russian MSM covers a lot of subjects and lets anti-Russian nutjobs openly
    state their "case". It is now rather clear that state censorship of the news is self-defeating. Russia's maligned
    "state run" media is more open and balanced than the bulk of western media.

    In fact, we saw exactly how the western media operates via the situation in Russia during the 1990s. Journalists were
    oligarch guns for hire. A rather trivial case of "he who pays the piper calls the tune" but somehow lost on millions of
    credulous people who think that objectivity and independence grow on trees. So you can bet your last penny that
    that the western media is just a polished version of the 1990s rot seen in Russia. The full bore attack on Trump over
    the last 5 years is also evidence of this. The so-called western "free media" is a mouthpiece for its owners. And
    those owners are not subject to any selection by vote and do not represent the public.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:52 pm

    kvs wrote:I do not think that this is an RT exclusive.   Russian MSM covers a lot of subjects and lets anti-Russian nutjobs openly
    state their "case".   It is now rather clear that state censorship of the news is self-defeating.   Russia's maligned
    "state run" media is more open and balanced than the bulk of western media.

    In fact, we saw exactly how the western media operates via the situation in Russia during the 1990s.   Journalists were
    oligarch guns for hire.   A rather trivial case of "he who pays the piper calls the tune" but somehow lost on millions of
    credulous people who think that objectivity and independence grow on trees.   So you can bet your last penny that
    that the western media is just a polished version of the 1990s rot seen in Russia.   The full bore attack on Trump over
    the last 5 years is also evidence of this.   The so-called western "free media" is a mouthpiece for its owners.   And
    those owners are not subject to any selection by vote and do not represent the public.  

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    Post  Hole Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:34 pm

    The video has been shown with english subtitles on RT international.

    Funny that some people still believe the shit that this unimportant blogger was poisoned. He did return to the country where he was supposedly poisoned 2 or 3 or even 100 times by evil KGB spies but the Skripals, which are "save" in England, thousands of kilometres away from all this evil russians, are still in hiding. On their own request, of course. Why should the brits keep them away from TV cameras if they had something bad to say about evil Putin? Rolling Eyes

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    Post  LMFS Mon Feb 01, 2021 10:37 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Sorry, don't recall that.

    But I do recall Gorbie and Yeltsin were top dogs of the communist party. Maybe being or not being communist is fluid and a matter of opinion like gender these days, but for me it was the commies that destroyed the country in the most abject way.

    They undid some of the damage they did. Great

    I am puzzled about that "they", do you mean the communists turned oligarchs that ruled your country in the 90's and that to this day keep harming Russia and trying to sell it to the West at every turn, or the ones that fought and defeated them?

    In reality this of yours is just a very, very dumbed down misrepresentation of the complex currents inside of any state. The traitors and scum that were filling every gap in the Russian state have steadily been weakened until even Chuvais has been turned into furniture and put in a place where he can do no harm. This chess game shows statesmanship and long term strategic thinking of the highest order being displayed for you but you don't get it. The objective results of these years point rather to you inability to understand, rather than the incompetence of the people in command. Most of us have to endure spineless politicians shamelessly robbing us and you complain of one of the very few ones in this world which is successfully building up sovereignty instead of destroying it at every turn, you would indeed enjoy living in the West man...

    But I'm not calling for destabilization, again. I'm talking about a civic protest that puts pressure for socialist reforms.
    And now's the time to do it because there's never a right time, and there will never be a time when the West doesn't want to overthrow Russia; but that's not an excuse for stopping the country from evolving.

    Yes, let us help the West finish off Russia so we can have our unhinged utopian dreams turn nightmare, once again. Your inability to understand what a state is and how it works is really appalling, sorry for having to say it.

    Nope, I see only further negative trends in terms of laws, legislation, the social course of the country.

    Because people are every time less inclined to communism, or because of some actual problem?

    In terms of economics, I'm certainly all for the investments in education, healthcare, the military, mass housing, agriculture, reindustrialization that the government is doing. But they're ignoring a lot of other things and all forms of feedback from the citizenry to the government are a joke.

    In the civilized world one small part of the society thinks and organizes and the other big one, works and takes orders. It is crap but it is like that, due to the intrinsic nature of our society. You at least are lucky that you have a president that is a decent bloke with genuine concern for the people, and not a psychopathic whore like most so called politicians in the West.

    Nothing to do with doctrine or sects

    The KPRF is simply a worker's aristrocracy and led by a dinosaur; and not through accident. It's not a party that can mobilize anything. But certainly a lot of its members have their own opinion.

    It is Life of Brian type of clashes between leftists over and over on all countries, all of the time. And it proves two very, very relevant shortcomings that disable these people as proper statesmen: lack of capacity to integrate humans even at a very basic level, and crippling dogmatism. They can only make noise, not produce any workable state policy.

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    Post  LMFS Mon Feb 01, 2021 10:48 pm

    Hole wrote:The video has been shown with english subtitles on RT international.

    Funny that some people still believe the shit that this unimportant blogger was poisoned. He did return to the country where he was supposedly poisoned 2 or 3 or even 100 times by evil KGB spies but the Skripals, which are "save" in England, thousands of kilometres away from all this evil russians, are still in hiding. On their own request, of course. Why should the brits keep them away from TV cameras if they had something bad to say about evil Putin? Rolling Eyes

    People in the West have their heads so far down their arses that they cannot think anymore even in the most basic level, it is really disturbing since that means pretty much anyone out there believes the cringe-worthy, suicidal propaganda currently produced, no questions asked. I think this is reaching mass proportions of clinical insanity and is going to make the complete collapse of the West pretty much unavoidable
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Feb 01, 2021 10:50 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    .-they may do it later, it's not over yet!
    Of course... they are waiting till the time is right...  Rolling Eyes
    -it's not the 1st time, & they r good at it!
    .-u'll dismiss anything I'll produce, why bother?
    So far your sources have been terrible. Sources more corrupt than you even suggest Putin to be yourself.-what r ur sources? pro-Putin & pro-Trump? how objectve r they?
    The schemes r being used to make $ off Russian resources, avoid taxes, buy media/sport clubs/teams/luxuries, buy/build real estate & bribe top gov. officials, as FBK videos describe in detail.
    But how and why if they have putin in their pocket they don't need illegal schemes.... they can just win the juicy contracts and make money legally... no need to bribe anyone... just get Putin to tell the person in government who decides who gets the contracts to give it to you... it is not hard.-ask Khodorkovsky & few others that fled Russia after crossing Putin. He can do the same to any1 else if they stop paying him & his relatives, like the Czars did before him.  
    - those laws r being twisted to keep all opposition from toppling Putin, just like Lukashenko does for decades now.
    Twisted... so Navalny embezzling money..-even if he did, Putin & his clique embezzled a lot more.
    They should burn Navalny at the stake, the dirty bastard.-don't act the like the judge, jury & executioner. Even if u were a judge, passing a verdict on him would be interfering in RF internal affairs, & NZ doesn't need to get into them.
    A 40-year-old protester in Moscow told Reuters: "I understand that I live in a totally lawless state. In a police state, with no independent courts. In a country ruled by corruption. I would like to live differently," she said.
    Poor demented cow... perhaps Zelenski will give her Ukrainian citizenship and she can be free and live life like she was in the EU.- no, she's like those E. Germans that didn't go to the FRG & in 1989 leveled the Berlin Wall instead.
    In St Petersburg, Mr Putin's home city, a crowd gathered in a central square and chanted: "Down with the Tsar ."
    And 400m down the street a much bigger crowd outside a McDonalds were chanting "we want ice cream".-only a retard would do that in in winter, & Russian made ice cream is better anyway. Now that u posted this troll, I have a better idea of how clueless u really r!
    -he already tried to poison him twice but failed.
    If he was actually that incompetent he would not be the threat to western civilisation he currently is...-he's more a threat to himself & his people now.
    ..which is why that faggot Navalny is getting all this attention.-he has a female wife, & it's not only about him anymore.
    -his FSB makes mistakes, like any other entity.
    They have killed plenty of real enemies of Russia... in comparison Navalny is a gravy stain... annoying but not worth getting the Makarov out for. ..What is your fascination with poison...-no, for another reason; as with their other killings, the FSB & by extension Putin wants to have plausible deniability; it they who r fascinated with using poisons.
    .-like they did with Nemtsov who was killed near the Kremlin? U don't know what u talking about!
    Thank you for mentioning him... when he was of no further use to the west they martyred him.... expect they had the same in store for the Skripals and Navalny eventually... once they are no more use they cost money to retain and being dead they would be much more useful and cheaper.- how do u know that the West did it? I thought u r smarter than believing conspiracy theories by Putin's apologists.
    -where else can they feel safe from the FSB & be still close to Russia?
    Of course... safe in a nest of NAZIs... they don't need to be in Russia to tell lies about Russia... Goebbels knew that...-in politics, every1 tells lies when it suits them, but if u can't read between the lines, it's not my problem.
    - it was being built for him as a bribe, & he doesn't need to hold a title to it, just like with those offshore accounts that keep his $Bs under different names. The FSO (Federal Protection Service) & no fly/sail zones around it r meant to guard the top leadership; by ur logic & common sense it has no business guarding it, but it does, just in case he decides to show up, as he did, before & after it's finished.
    As posted above not his and never was.-but in fact, it was meant to be; who else the FSO & the Border Guards r there for, his distant relatives & buddies? who r they kidding?
    - Putin will pay for all the crap later 1 way or the other.
    I suspect Trump during his second term will start a civil war so we probably will never find out.- only in ur dreams!
    When asked by western media about elections in Russia most western leaders think Putin should go...-but now many Russians had enough of him to; a coup may happen soon to get rid of him.
    By pressing charges, she thinks about all the others past & future victims.
    By pressing charges she gets to be in the spotlight and on the western gravy train a little longer... and I am sure it makes her feel special.-she could care less about staying in the spotlight and getting on the western gravy train, as there's enough local support.
    - it was commuted only after ICHR stepped in.
    Wont happen this time, Russian law is no longer subject to European PC faggot interference any more...-it's being re-written on the streets now.
    -by the same token, he could have stayed abroad but came back,
    Sounds like he was told to leave by Germany because of some of the racist and outlandish shit he was saying publicly -could be, but he could still go to UK, Canada or the US & stay there. If he did, his career & presidential aspirations in the RF would be over, & he wouldn't be able to live with that.
    Navalny stokes Putin’s fear of being overthrown
    As thousands of demonstrators across Russia were protesting against the arrest of detained dissident democratic leader Alexei Navalny, Russia Today, one of the Kremlin’s propaganda TV arms, broadcast a documentary on the 2014 anti-Moscow uprising in Ukraine.

    knowing he'll be arrested, not to be used by the West, but on his own agenda;
    He is a western tool, that ship has sailed. -Hitler, Mao & Saddam were also such tools vs. USSR & Iran, & they all got worn out. Navalny won't be a poodle to any1.
    if he was so dangerous, they would put him under house arrest, instead of letting him travel, presenting an opportunity for FSB to poison him, but big stinking shit hit the fan & blew it in their stupid faces.
    So because your country has dropped the ball for you, you want to sabotage any bright future Russia might have by supporting a douche bag like Navalny.- Russia will have a better future w/o Putin, just like w/o Nicolas II, Lenin, Stalin, Khrushev, Brezhnev, Andropov, Gorbachev & Yeltsin, who each were in many ways better than their predecessors.
    ..to make you feel better the people of Russia need to be sold out to the west and raped like the countries the US deals with. -in fact, the system st up in Russia rapes her people more than any1 else could, short of direct mil. occupation.
    - they couldn't get any permits;
    If they can't get permits then it is accepted world wide that you can just then ignore the law and do as you please...  because that is how it works. -yes, if the gov. violates the trust by covering up its oligarchs' plunder, & perpetuates it with new constitution that allows the same person to stay in power longer than Brezhnev, & uses its controlled media & riot police (which btw don't even have plastic cuffs & has to twist arms, causing injuries) to intimidate, beat, & detain protesters. The gov. must be "by the people, for the people", not for Putin (irrespective of his past achievements that u praise so much) or Trump or ur Ardern.
    he last 2 paragraphs r the best part
    CNN? Not even going to click the link.- by keeping ur head in the sand, u got less chance of benefiting from any intelligent discussion; at least an ostrich can provide feathers & run fast.
    All of them except 1 have CC & translating tool, use it or loose understanding of the true situation there.
    Those sources wouldn't post anything that didn't support their slanted view... not interested.-keep in mind that the sorces u use r even worse in that regard.

    Thousands of protesters flooded streets in Moscow and across Russia this weekend to support jailed opposition leader and Putin critic Alexey Navalny, who has been held by Russian authorities for weeks. More than 5,000 people were detained in at least 85 cities; among them was Navalny's wife, Yulia, who was later released. This was the second weekend of protests against Navalny’s detention, and police response was the harshest the country has seen in years. President Vladimir Putin’s popularity was already declining by the time Navalny was detained last month, due to public grievances over the declining personal incomes, diminishing personal freedoms and the government's handling of the coronavirus pandemic. CNN
    Panic of the authorities in Moscow and throughout Russia. Why rallies are part of city life

    "20 hours without food, water and sleep": how detainees at the rally in St. Petersburg are sitting in police stations

    The siloviki are running the show." Political scientist on the prospects of the protest movement and the fate of the upcoming elections

    PLATOSHKIN ABOUT THE INCOME OF OUR POWER. PUTIN, TRUMP, MERKEL


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    Post  kvs Mon Feb 01, 2021 11:06 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    Hole wrote:The video has been shown with english subtitles on RT international.

    Funny that some people still believe the shit that this unimportant blogger was poisoned. He did return to the country where he was supposedly poisoned 2 or 3 or even 100 times by evil KGB spies but the Skripals, which are "save" in England, thousands of kilometres away from all this evil russians, are still in hiding. On their own request, of course. Why should the brits keep them away from TV cameras if they had something bad to say about evil Putin? Rolling Eyes

    People in the West have their heads so far down their arses that they cannot think anymore even in the most basic level, it is really disturbing since that means pretty much anyone out there believes the cringe-worthy, suicidal propaganda currently produced, no questions asked. I think this is reaching mass proportions of clinical insanity and is going to make the complete collapse of the West pretty much unavoidable

    This trend is apparent from social media. Back in the early 2000s when Youtube was starting out any attempt to engage in
    religious recruitment or flock tending was shot down since people could make arguments that the dogma pushers could not
    defeat. But now YouTube is a toilet for religions and cults. This is because it has separated like oil and water into distinct
    subdomains where everyone lives in their own echochamber. On the larger scale we have the attenuation of real dissident
    voices in the MSM and it has become a cult echochamber itself. Those that can't stand this shit have moved elsewhere
    and the MSM bosses do not even try to accommodate a plurality of opinions. CNN et al. and their Trump derangement syndrome
    as the same as CNN et al. and their Putin derangement syndrome.

    We are living in a time probably worse the 1930s in terms of mass media influence over populations and the resulting war.
    I do not think that Germans during the 1930s were living in a total echochamber. They also had more substance than
    the millenials of today. If they could be hoodwinked by the Hitler project (backed by America and the UK), then think
    of what can happen now.

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Feb 01, 2021 11:13 pm

    Most Canadians and Americans youth still able to vote would vote for some tranny black whatever who said to kill all white people.

    That is how fucked our system is here tbh.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:20 am

    flamming_python wrote:Protests are good
    ....................................
    It's neccessary to start flooding the protests with Soviet and commie flags, start to change their character, and then once a critical mass has been reached conduct subversive activity and agitation amongst the clientele. Then more ordinary people will start to get behind the protest movement too and the Navalnites and their leader can be sidelined.

    Next time someone tries to give me shit for mentioning Operation Condor I will be linking this little gem here

    Fucking commies and their liberal offshoots still can't digest the fact that they failed to snuff out Russians, erase their entire culture and history and give entire nation to select minorities

    If Russians ever become retarded again to lie down with commies they will deserve every single horrible thing that will happen to them

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    Post  calripson Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:32 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Most Canadians and Americans youth still able to vote would vote for some tranny black whatever who said to kill all white people.

    That is how fucked our system is here tbh.

    The more interesting question is how did society evolve to that point and who were the social engineers behind this change? I can literally predict the script of almost any Hollywood movie or Netflix series before I have seen it. I was forced to watch Queen's Gambit with the wife - a fictional account of a young woman chess prodigy loosely based on Bobby Fischer. Knowing only the story involved a girl raised in an orphanage who becomes a chess prodigy I was able to predict the following:

    1. Orphanage would be depicted as a horrible place and would be Christian run. (Check)
    2. African American girl would befriend the orphan and be her spiritual/emotional guide (Check)
    3. Orphan would grow up to have a series of sexual encounters with multiple guys but no real relationship (Check)
    4. One of the series heroes would be gay (Check)
    5. Girl would have at least one lesbian experience (Check)

    All they left out was a handicapped transsexual, but hey it was set in the 1950's and 1960's. My point is the predictability of Hollywood neuro-linguistic programming going back 60 years is getting pretty boring and old.

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    Post  Backman Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:40 am

    Social media is just a symptom. It's all economic. The Western world has had ultra loose money since Y2K. But 2008 is when the real monetary cocain was used. QE.

    There is really good Twitter thread about the Weimar inflation. Everyone talks about the very end of the hyperinflation in 1923. But there was a nasty crackup boom that started almost a decade earlier. And 1923 was just the conclusion. Killing a currency with debt and expansion takes time. It is a process. And through that process, it corrupts everything in the society. Just imagine they had social media in the 20's and 30's. In Spain or Germany or even the US. It would as bad as today.

    Here is the thread

    https://twitter.com/Paul_Hol1000/status/1235397234008547329?s=19
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    Post  elconquistador Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:57 am

    Sincere question @calripson

    Who do you think the social engineers behind these changes are?

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:04 am

    Backman wrote:Social media is just a symptom.

    Social media is the digital equivalent of Plato's Cave. Popstar musicians on Twitter have 50-100 million followers but struggle to go 1x platinum in album sales, and if they were really that popular they would run for president. Whores on Instagram use filters, photoshop and photo-angling to make themselves better looking than they really are (on top of plastic surgery, layers of makeup, weaves, etc.) Youtube and all the rest of the social media networks have pay-to-play politics...meaning if you want to get fake 'popular' then you have to pay serious money to get preferential algorithms, and get countless bot accounts to boost followers, etc. The accounts that they hate, they suppress and censor with negative algorithms, and routinely attack with bot accounts.

    I could expound even further on the fraudulent nature of social media if people show increased interest on this forum.
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    Post  kvs Tue Feb 02, 2021 2:13 am

    That sort of manipulation argues against it being a purely passive economic process. It is social engineering. And thus it has
    limited penetration. However, that limited penetration is enough to steer society. That is the sad story of humanity. Some
    tiny minority of deciders and a rather small minority of useful idiots lead the vast majority around.

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    Post  Backman Tue Feb 02, 2021 2:44 am

    Another version of MI6 caught with their pants down. Same footage. Just different show. This one is better to spread in the English language realm

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    Post  GarryB Tue Feb 02, 2021 4:00 am

    -what r ur sources? pro-Putin & pro-Trump? how objectve r they?

    My best source is simply a critical evaluation of your sources...

    If western propaganda wants me to believe A then A is probably a lie.

    .-ask Khodorkovsky & few others that fled Russia after crossing Putin. He can do the same to any1 else if they stop paying him & his relatives, like the Czars did before him.

    There are always rich and powerful people in every country... they are unavoidable. In this case this dick got greedy and wouldn't pay tax like most greedy rich assholes, and so breaking tax laws of course he fled to the west and told them he loved democracy and Putin hates him so of course he will get big cuddles from the west and they will kiss his boo boo.

    Stop paying who? If every rich person in Russia is paying Putin to stay rich why is it that their money is easy to trace... even the illegally gained money, but there is no evidence anywhere of Putins enormous hoard?

    Another thing.... Navalny is going ape shit over this supposed palace, yet all the bullshit he caused over this pretend poisoning has led to more western sanctions against NSII which costs a shit load more money than this building he is complaining about. If his bullshit stuffs up the NSII it is going to cost Russia a hell of a lot more than 10 of these palaces that Putin does not own.

    .-even if he did, Putin & his clique embezzled a lot more.

    You claim, with no evidence.

    -don't act the like the judge, jury & executioner. Even if u were a judge, passing a verdict on him would be interfering in RF internal affairs, & NZ doesn't need to get into them.

    You mean like the EU who already convicted Putin of personally poisoning the Skripals, and now accusing him of poisoning Navalny, who imposed all sorts of sanctions and kicked various embassy staff out of their countries without trial without evidence without judges or juries...

    - no, she's like those E. Germans that didn't go to the FRG & in 1989 leveled the Berlin Wall instead.

    Most of whom now probably deeply regret being fools to western propaganda...

    .-only a retard would do that in in winter, & Russian made ice cream is better anyway.

    That is why they are in the streets chanting for what they want...

    Crowds in streets chanting is not democracy anywhere except in the eyes of the western media and only in Russia or North Korea or Iran or China or Venezuela... in a western country like France or the US they are terrorists inciting sedition that should be dealt with accordingly... only in a foreign country do those people have civil rights.

    Now that u posted this troll, I have a better idea of how clueless u really r!

    I am trolling and clueless talking about democracy not being based on street protests...

    .-he's more a threat to himself & his people now.

    Of course.... the west wants putin gone because he is not good for Russia or the Russian people... how nice to know they care so much.

    But that is also interfering in Russian democracy isn't it...

    -he has a female wife, & it's not only about him anymore.

    Expert with certain equipment so that it does not matter...

    -no, for another reason; as with their other killings, the FSB & by extension Putin wants to have plausible deniability; it they who r fascinated with using poisons.

    Why?

    The Chechen terrorists they have managed to bump off they have not kept it quiet.

    - how do u know that the West did it? I thought u r smarter than believing conspiracy theories by Putin's apologists.

    Because they were the only ones who benefited from his death... he was worn out and useless for the west so they used him one last time... it is something they do all the time... ask Iranian generals or Iranian scientists.

    -in politics, every1 tells lies when it suits them, but if u can't read between the lines, it's not my problem.

    You are not even trying to read between the lines... everything Fox News and CNN and the BBC tell you you believe.

    And they say they give all sides of the story... so when was the last time you heard Putins side from those sources.

    -but in fact, it was meant to be; who else the FSO & the Border Guards r there for, his distant relatives & buddies? who r they kidding?

    Who cares? You already admit his buddies are all rich... are you a moron? Why would you expect rich people not to have mansions and palaces around the place to live in? Do you think they live in trailer parks just for the experience?

    - only in ur dreams!

    You wish the collapse of Russia... why shouldn't I wish the same for the US?

    Normally wouldn't care less but obviously the west is becoming a real threat that will need to be dealt with if it is going to keep this shit up.

    -but now many Russians had enough of him to; a coup may happen soon to get rid of him.

    Like in Venezuela... break some murderers out of jail in Russia some where and arm them with assault rifles... that is how democracy works isn't it?

    -she could care less about staying in the spotlight and getting on the western gravy train, as there's enough local support.

    So now you are her agent?

    -it's being re-written on the streets now.

    If Navalny really is the leader of the opposition where the fuck was he when the constitutional referendum was being held... surely that was when he should have been flexing his huge anti Putin muscles and having an effect. Didn't hear a squeak from the dork.

    -could be, but he could still go to UK, Canada or the US & stay there. If he did, his career & presidential aspirations in the RF would be over, & he wouldn't be able to live with that.

    So he returned to the country ruled by the man who alledgedly tried to kill him twice... yeah...

    Navalny won't be a poodle to any1.

    He lives off foreign money... he is a poodle.

    - Russia will have a better future w/o Putin, just like w/o Nicolas II, Lenin, Stalin, Khrushev, Brezhnev, Andropov, Gorbachev & Yeltsin, who each were in many ways better than their predecessors.

    Hahahahahahaha... so you list Russian leaders and say they got better and better and the last one you mention is Yeltsen?

    So Yeltsen was the best.... even with that competition he was no where near the best on that list.

    -in fact, the system st up in Russia rapes her people more than any1 else could, short of direct mil. occupation.

    Sitting in the US of A, I understand you think you are an expert on Russia, but understand if I don't take your word.

    . -yes, if the gov. violates the trust by covering up its oligarchs' plunder,

    Which is every government on the planet so far.

    & perpetuates it with new constitution that allows the same person to stay in power longer than Brezhnev

    Who gives a fuck, only America has that two term bullshit law... that has nothing to do with democracy... what if the people want to elect someone for more than two terms who are you to say they can't?

    & uses its controlled media & riot police (which btw don't even have plastic cuffs & has to twist arms, causing injuries) to intimidate, beat, & detain protesters.

    Every government uses media and riot police and in the US case the national guard to enforce the law. Some protesters lose eyes and hands in French protests... nobody cares... someone gets kicked in the tum tum and Putin needs to go.

    The gov. must be "by the people, for the people", not for Putin (irrespective of his past achievements that u praise so much) or Trump or ur Ardern.

    Says you, but why would Russia take any notice of your fucked up country... or mine?

    A few thousand people protesting... who gives a shit?

    - by keeping ur head in the sand, u got less chance of benefiting from any intelligent discussion; at least an ostrich can provide feathers & run fast.

    Intelligent discussion on a CNN article... you must be joking... US propaganda... with extra cheese.

    the declining personal incomes, diminishing personal freedoms and the government's handling of the coronavirus pandemic.

    Hahahaha... they probably want the right to be shot in the face and lose an eye like french protesters, and be poor like more and more American people struggling to find that well paying second or third job, and the less said about the handling of the coronavirus in the west the better.

    But people like to moan even when they can't show or say what should have been done better...

    For goodness sake Russia shares a land border with China where the virus supposedly originated from yet their figures are staggeringly better than most western countries thousands of kms away.

    Almost sounds like western bullshit reasons being made up.


    "20 hours without food, water and sleep": how detainees at the rally in St. Petersburg are sitting in police stations

    It should be a year and a half in solitary confinement with threats of being raped by the guards every other day... that is what foreign agents get in US custody isn't it?

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