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    Post  kvs Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:11 pm

    The rubbish this Russian hating troll posts is all pure speculative hot air. Diagrams prove squat. Any moron can make them
    up. If this troll wants to have a chance of having any credibility he needs to post some real evidence. BTW, what I posted
    about Navalny's 20 million USD in a single BitCoin pocket is actual evidence since the information is public. The pocked ID
    is made public by Navalny himself and that ID can be used to view the amount of BitCoin in the pocket. It is not private
    information about money in a regular bank account. The public information also includes the number and typical size
    of BitCoin transactions into the pocket. The average "donation" to Navalny is about 440,000 rubles. As noted in the video
    that is an absurdly high amount for single donations in Russia. It demonstrates that these are not grass roots contributions
    but money funneling from the west.

    So we have:

    1) Claim that Putin has a palace: fail.

    2) Claim that Putin is a secret billionaire: fail.

    Try again, troll loser.



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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:25 pm

    Let's not forget his sources - Bill Browder LOL.

    Shall we post the documentary The Maginsky Act that he tried having banned?

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:05 pm

    1) Claim that Putin has a palace: fail.-let him name the real owner(s) of that private real estate, the biggest in Russia, guarded by his own FSB & that even he can't enter on a whim!

    2) Claim that Putin is a secret billionaire: fail.-even without those liquid holdings, the other assets under his control worth $Bs, while his salary & declared investments r too small to afford leasing, much less owning all of them.
    Try again, troll loser.
    at least I can see the forest through a thick growth of trees.
    Let's not forget his sources - Bill Browder LOL.
    he's not the only 1- refute all the others! What evidence do u personally have that the Moon isn't made of cheese or gold? Did u go there & bring those rocks back?



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HafiGXrP_40

    Woman Kicked by Russian Policeman Becomes Protest Symbol, Seeks Justice


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    Post  GarryB Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:09 am

    they both have a common enemy-Putin; & "an enemy of my enemy is my friend". If Navalny (or his successor) gets to the top, he would have used the CIA/MI6. I doubt he'll be another Poroshenko or Zelensky to allow Russia to become a colony.

    They both have a common enemy and neither really cares much about the actual truth of the matter, which is why their claims can be ignored.

    oh wow, his source is...Bill Browder.

    Well that just underlines everything in red crayon... Navalny is full of shit.

    -let him name the real owner(s) of that private real estate, the biggest in Russia, guarded by his own FSB & that even he can't enter on a whim!

    PRIVATE. He has not right to name who owns that property... that is what PRIVATE means.

    If he can't go there then it can hardly be called his.

    -even without those liquid holdings, the other assets under his control worth $Bs, while his salary & declared investments r too small to afford leasing, much less owning all of them.

    What assets... where are these so called assets?

    He commands the Russian Air Force, the Russian Army, the Russian Navy, the Strategic Rocket Forces... he controls thousands of trillions of dollars worth of assets.... that is his job. Rolling Eyes

    Other claims by western intelligence and western media and drop kick loser criminals like Navalny and Browder have zero substance... because it is in their interests and therefore also highly likely they are making it all up... just like the Steele Dossier was totally made up too.

    What evidence do u personally have that the Moon isn't made of cheese or gold?

    Because Cheese is a man made product that does not occur naturally anywhere, and if it was made of gold the Americans would have about 50 moon bases by now...

    And woman kicked by police needs to harden the fuck up. French people lost eyes and hands in their riots... she got kick in the tummy... she was there demanding a criminal be let out of prison... what a bitch.

    If Navalny (or his successor) gets to the top, he would have used the CIA/MI6. I doubt he'll be another Poroshenko or Zelensky to allow Russia to become a colony.

    I doubt he could lead Russia now with a criminal record... even if there were enough people stupid enough to vote for him.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:17 pm

    GarryB wrote:Navalny is full of shit.- I feel the same way of certain members here. See my comments below.
    -let him name the real owner(s) of that private real estate, the biggest in Russia, guarded by his own FSB & that even he can't enter on a whim!
    PRIVATE. He has not right to name who owns that property... that is what PRIVATE means.- it must be in the public & property tax records; if it's not there or not accessible, he's hiding their names by not confirming them. He himself admitted that some of them r his distant relatives & some others he knows personally. why should it be a secret if he has nothing to hide?

    If he can't go there then it can hardly be called his.- he only claims that it's not his; he can go there anytime w/o any1's permission.
    -even without those liquid holdings, the other assets under his control worth $Bs, while his salary & declared investments r too small to afford leasing, much less owning all of them.
    What assets... where are these so called assets?
    He commands the Russian Air Force, the Russian Army, the Russian Navy, the Strategic Rocket Forces... he controls thousands of trillions of dollars worth of assets.... that is his job.- not those gov. assets. He & his friends use yachts, business jets, & palaces in his unofficial travels & recreations + expensive wrist watches, not mil. boats, aircraft, bases & gadgets.

    Other claims by western intelligence and western media and drop kick loser criminals like Navalny and Browder have zero substance... because it is in their interests and therefore also highly likely they are making it all up... just like the Steele Dossier was totally made up too.- it's more "highly likely" that Putin & those near & behind him r the biggest criminals in Russia.

    What evidence do u personally have that the Moon isn't made of cheese or gold?
    Because Cheese is a man made product that does not occur naturally anywhere, and if it was made of gold the Americans would have about 50 moon bases by now...I posted that as a rhetorical question; any evidence presented can be be dismissed, if u don't accept the chain of custody of those Moon rocks & that the landings were even made. OTH, u r turning a blind eye on evidence when it doesn't suit u & admit the Kremlin propaganda as Gospel.
    And woman kicked by police needs to harden the fuck up. French people lost eyes and hands in their riots... she got kick in the tummy... she was there demanding a criminal be let out of prison... what a bitch.- she was asking the police what did they detain that guy for, fell & got a concussion. The policeman should have told her to get out of the way instead of kicking her.
    If Navalny (or his successor) gets to the top, he would have used the CIA/MI6. I doubt he'll be another Poroshenko or Zelensky to allow Russia to become a colony.
    I doubt he could lead Russia now with a criminal record... even if there were enough people stupid enough to vote for him.
    his criminal record isn't worth the paper it's written on. Many generals, admirals, scientists, designers & clergy also had criminal records but where released & rehabilitated to help in the war effort by Stalin.
    He & Lenin were also criminals before the 1917 Bolshevik coup, & made it to the top. If Navalny is a criminal, it's because he doesn't kiss Putin's & his party's boots.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihiK0I5t-xw

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKEa9FUa9Ro

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7TCtwnmApU


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    Post  PhSt Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:36 pm

    Tsavo Pig wrote:If Navalny is a criminal, it's because he doesn't kiss Putin's & his party's boots.

    If Putin is a criminal, it's because he doesn't kiss American arse and prostitute his country to its enemies. Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:13 pm

    Even if he was like Poroshenko or Zelensky, to the West he would still be a criminal to be dompted like the other dictators who outlived their usefulness.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:09 am

    - it must be in the public & property tax records; if it's not there or not accessible, he's hiding their names by not confirming them. He himself admitted that some of them r his distant relatives & some others he knows personally. why should it be a secret if he has nothing to hide?

    What business is it of yours... mind your own business.

    He is president of Russia, not the town crier whose job it is to announce who owns what and where... how about US presidents start listing all their assets... would be very interested to see what happened to all the hundreds of millions of dollars donated to the Clinton Foundation for charities like helping Haiti... it does not sound like they ended getting very much of it at their end.

    He is not required to give out ownership information for any properties.

    - he only claims that it's not his; he can go there anytime w/o any1's permission.

    So it is his palace... according to lying cheating stealing criminals who hate him, but they can't prove he has ever visited or ever intends to go there.

    I have a bridge to sell you, why don't you send me some money and we can talk about you buying it from me?

    He & his friends use yachts, business jets, & palaces in his unofficial travels & recreations + expensive wrist watches, not mil. boats, aircraft, bases & gadgets.

    He has friends that are rich... what a censored ... fire him immediately and ban him from everything... he should be in jail... wait a minute. All western leaders know Putin and Putin has 100 billion in gold bullion hidden under his mattress... shouldn't all western leaders be in jail too?

    - it's more "highly likely" that Putin & those near & behind him r the biggest criminals in Russia.

    Criminals that have done more for Russia than any previous Russian or Soviet leader in turning around the country and its economy and military.

    Sounds like he should be getting rewarded, not demonised. Yeltsen in comparison was the criminal.

    OTH, u r turning a blind eye on evidence when it doesn't suit u & admit the Kremlin propaganda as Gospel.

    It is not about evidence suiting me or not, I am using UK logic that was used to prove without a doubt that Putin was guilty of international warcrimes using chem weapons... both in the UK and Syria.... both of which have turned out to be totally false surprisingly enough.

    Applying the same litmus test the claims of criminal Navalny and murderer and thief Browder, I just don't think what they are suggesting is credible.

    It would certainly never stand up in any real court even though the western media and youtube believe it... but as I said... this is war and they are not interested in the truth.... the truth would not only not pay the bills, but lead to an enormous pay cut for both orgs.

    - she was asking the police what did they detain that guy for, fell & got a concussion. The policeman should have told her to get out of the way instead of kicking her.

    She was demanding they release a known criminal and foreign agent, she should have been arrested for sedition and pepper sprayed...

    his criminal record isn't worth the paper it's written on.

    He embezzled 400 million dollars from a French company and repeatedly fleeces gullible Russians pretending he is fighting corruption when he is more corrupt than the people he pretends to oppose.

    Many generals, admirals, scientists, designers & clergy also had criminal records but where released & rehabilitated to help in the war effort by Stalin.

    They had redeeming features. Navalny is pond scum.

    If Navalny is a criminal, it's because he doesn't kiss Putin's & his party's boots.

    Navalny is a criminal because he breaks Russian law... repeatedly... and then violates his probation clauses and therefore breaks his probation conditions too.

    Even if he was like Poroshenko or Zelensky, to the West he would still be a criminal to be dompted like the other dictators who outlived their usefulness.

    Putin is voted in to power, which suggests your description of him as being a dictator is more western propaganda...

    The Russian economy is no where near the worst, in fact they are in much better shape than a lot of other countries in terms of growth and debt and the things they can make and the things they have to import.

    He is not finished yet... but when he is the person who takes over will be in a position of real strength thanks to the actions and decisions made by Putin during his time in office... lets hope they use that power to further improve the situation for Russians, and does some real damage to the west for its interference and the damage it has done over the decades to Russia and a lot of other countries too.

    BTW comparing Putin to Poro or Zelensky is a joke right? I mean you could probably compare them with Yeltsen OK, but Ukraine and the US and UK and France and most countries on the planet can only dream of getting their own Putin.

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    Post  kvs Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:28 am

    Tsavo Lion and his ilk assign to themselves the right to speak on behalf of and make decision for all Russians. Nobody gave
    TS the right and no amount of his beliefs give it to him either.

    What TS considers truth is intellectually insulting drivel. This clown voted for Biden and then waves his finger with self-assigned
    moral authority. Typical yanqui gusano too busy ignoring US problems and projecting hate fantasy onto other countries.
    And like so many other yanquis this clown assumes that Russia is yet another 3rd world pushover as is drilled into his
    underdeveloped brain by his fake stream media conditioning the yanqui sheeple to drool on demand with Pavolovian
    triggers: "dicator", "oppression", "human rights abuse".

    Biden is a dictator who got into office with ballot stuffing fraud.

    The US is throwing in jail innocent people for expressing their allegedly free opinions. So the US does have thousands
    of political prisoners. The Capitol Hill demonstrators are being hunted down and face murder level prison sentences
    (over 15 years). People who made joke meme during the 2016 election campaign are being arrested and face trial
    on BS charges. Seditionist demonstrators in Russia are not even slapped on the wrist and we have some yanqui
    troll lecturing us that Putin is oppressing the people. Clearly TS thinks that Russians are intellectually inferior and that
    his absurd drivel will fool them.

    The US engages in war crime level of human rights abuse around the world after giving itself the right to meddle on
    false pretenses: Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Panama. The US slaughtered thousands of Panamanians in its operation
    to remove a stooge that bit the hand that fed him.

    The US MSM is a lie factory and dissent is brutally censored. Now we have US companies forcefully trading
    stocks against the wishes of their owners.

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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Jan 29, 2021 7:36 am

    What people like Tsavo do, is make Russians hate US citizens even more.  So at least he is good for something.

    I find it hilarious that these people rely on allegations as truth yet tout that in their country, innocent until proven guilty.  No actual direct ties to Putin, and allegations from anti Kremlin morons like Browder who was stealing billions in Russia (yeah, funny how Tsavo ignores that), is apparently all that is needed.

    Gotta hand it to these assholes. They could get gold Medals for their mental gymnastics.

    All the while, these hypocrites are pointing their sausage links at Russia, their own country is spiriling down the drain in corruption and dictator like laws as you stated KVS. People facing prison sentence for online memes years ago.

    Should I mention that former governor to Michigan is only facing a $1000 fine for ignoring flint Michigan's water poisoning? And that initial investigators and jurors whom was demanding be faces jail time, was outed and a new juror came in by Democrats. Now faces a slap on the wrist.

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    Post  Hole Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:24 pm

    Following the "logic" of some members...

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    This is Merkels palace. Don´t be fooled by the paperwork that claims it belongs to hte bavarian state. It belongs to her and here criminal gang of friends. Wink

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    Post  Scorpius Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:12 pm

    Okay, who wanted a tour of the "luxurious palace of Putin"?

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:21 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    - it must be in the public & property tax records; if it's not there or not accessible, he's hiding their names by not confirming them. He himself admitted that some of them r his distant relatives & some others he knows personally. why should it be a secret if he has nothing to hide?
    What business is it of yours... mind your own business.-what is it for u to defend Putin & his policies from NZ?
    He is president of Russia, not the town crier whose job it is to announce who owns what and where...-no need for that: he can just declassify all relevant info. if he is clean & wants to stay clean!

    - he only claims that it's not his; he can go there anytime w/o any1's permission.
    So it is his palace... according to lying cheating stealing criminals who hate him, but they can't prove he has ever visited or ever intends to go there.-perhaps now he wouldn't go there, after all the negative publicity.

    I have a bridge to sell you, why don't you send me some money and we can talk about you buying it from me?-he didn't spend a single ruble from his pocket on it- a small portion came from the gov. budget but the rest from the oligarchs, i.e. all the Russians they robbed.

    He & his friends use yachts, business jets, & palaces in his unofficial travels & recreations + expensive wrist watches, not mil. boats, aircraft, bases & gadgets.
    All western leaders know Putin and Putin has 100 billion in gold bullion hidden under his mattress... shouldn't all western leaders be in jail too?-don't change the subject. Other leaders dealt with Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, Hirohito, Brezhnev & Mao, but it's not a valid excuse to absolve them of their crimes.

    - it's more "highly likely" that Putin & those near & behind him r the biggest criminals in Russia.
    Criminals that have done more for Russia than any previous Russian or Soviet leader in turning around the country and its economy and military.-mostly thanks to high oil prices, which also allowed the USSR to stand that long.

    OTH, u r turning a blind eye on evidence when it doesn't suit u & admit the Kremlin propaganda as Gospel.
    It is not about evidence suiting me or not, I am using UK logic that was used to prove without a doubt that Putin was guilty of international warcrimes using chem weapons... both in the UK and Syria.... both of which have turned out to be totally false surprisingly enough.-even if true, it's still not a valid excuse to absolve Putin's circle of their crimes.

    - she was asking the police what did they detain that guy for, fell & got a concussion. The policeman should have told her to get out of the way instead of kicking her.
    She was demanding they release a known criminal and foreign agent,..-not true, I heard what she said on the video, I do understand Russian.
    his criminal record isn't worth the paper it's written on.
    He embezzled 400 million dollars from a French company and repeatedly fleeces gullible Russians pretending he is fighting corruption when he is more corrupt than the people he pretends to oppose.- show me the evidence it was he or people under him that did it with his knowledge! I can also claim that it was made up by his enemies.

    Many generals, admirals, scientists, designers & clergy also had criminal records but where released & rehabilitated to help in the war effort by Stalin.
    They had redeeming features. Navalny is pond scum.-not to those who r tired of Putin & his lies!

    If Navalny is a criminal, it's because he doesn't kiss Putin's & his party's boots.
    Navalny is a criminal because he breaks Russian law... repeatedly... and then violates his probation clauses and therefore breaks his probation conditions too.- they let him travel to other cities with killer agents who tried to kill him r bigger criminals, & they went outside the law; & then to Germany, so they violated it too; if his check-in was so needed, the VKS could send a plane to pick him up.

    Even if he was like Poroshenko or Zelensky, to the West he would still be a criminal to be dompted like the other dictators who outlived their usefulness.
    Putin is voted in to power, which suggests your description of him as being a dictator is more western propaganda...- they manipulated the figures; with new Constitution his earlier terms were annulled, allowing to rule longer & get "elected" again.

    The Russian economy is no where near the worst, in fact they are in much better shape than a lot of other countries in terms of growth and debt and the things they can make and the things they have to import.- tell that to all the Ms of poor folks there that will stay poor under Putin.

    BTW comparing Putin to Poro or Zelensky is a joke right?
    I wasn't comparing them; Putin is a lot bigger nut to crack.

    Tsavo Lion and his ilk assign to themselves the right to speak on behalf of and make decision for all Russians. Nobody gave TS the right and no amount of his beliefs give it to him either.
    I'm expressing my opinion in support of those in Russia who share it.
    What TS considers truth is intellectually insulting drivel. This clown voted for Biden and then waves his finger with self-assigned moral authority. Typical yanqui gusano too busy ignoring US problems and projecting hate fantasy onto other countries.
    DONT'T U FUCKEN CALL ME "yanqui gusano"!!!! I WASN'T BORN & EDUCATED IN THE US & DID VOTE AGAINST Putin's friend TRUMP, A BIGOT, XENOPHOB, RACIST, SEX OFFENDER, & POWER FREAK WHO BANKRUPTED THE COUNTRY-AS IF HIS OWN 6 BANKRUPCIES WEREN'T ENOUGH.

    And like so many other yanquis this clown assumes that Russia is yet another 3rd world pushover as is drilled into his underdeveloped brain by his fake stream media conditioning the yanqui sheeple..
    -WHO THE FUCK R U TO JUDGE MY MENTAL ABILITIES?! FYI, I'M BI-LINGUAL & READ, WATCH & LISTEN TO NON-ENGLISH MEDIA.
    Clearly TS thinks that Russians are intellectually inferior and that
    his absurd drivel will fool them.
    DON'T BOTHER COMMENTING ABOUT WHAT I THINK! I GREW UP IN A MOSTLY RUSSIAN CITY & MY MENTALITY IS SIMILAR TO THAT OF THE MOST RUSSIANS'.

    Biden is a dictator who got into office with ballot stuffing fraud.
    THE CRIMINAL BUSH WHO WENT AWOL IN THE TX ANG ALSO GOT ELECTED BY FRAUD, SO THEY R EVEN NOW. EVEN IF TRUE, THE WHITE RACISTS R THE MINORITY NOW,& DEMOCRACY IS THE RULE OF MAJORITY.

    this video only confirms Navalny, read the whole comments, but I'll quote only1:
    exposing the whistleblower - this is being repaired after dismantling: 1. reinforcement with cables dismantled (bent hairpins) - 2.09 video and always first the reinforcement is attached, and then the cable is stretched point by point ... that is, this is a dismantled wiring 2.the end of the brickwork is smeared with broken plaster plaster, and the walls themselves are already in new plaster ... gypsum or cement, you don't understand ... usually gray is cement, but gypsum is also of this color. Depends on the plant and the party ... - 2.22 video 3. there are some dismantled sheets on the right in the corner ... the new ones will not lie like that))) well, a piece of plaster that has not been broken off is visible on the brick wall - 2.26 video
    4. again the brickwork is all in broken off plaster ... and then the window sill is already installed !!!! and all in mud))) The window sill is set almost at the finish line, but exactly after the walls are plastered - 2.38 5. The equipment is in a heap !!!! clearly removed, the wires stick out with a corrugation ... and what kind of owner would handle the new equipment like that? ))) - 3.06 6. akvadisk - studs stick out from the steps, on which something was attached - 3.40 7. there are already finishing doors, and the repair is only at the beginning! rave!!! the doors at the very end are set - 4.56 and on them, if I understand, the damaged paint is already visible ... or maybe rust ... if it is forging - 4.58 well, and a bunch of other little things ... in short, a steep overhaul is underway

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEnRFOBuuxw

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ENIYHg-vHg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxqJ6sTR1EA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axW5iEk2JMc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYgUUg8kYhE


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    Post  Backman Sat Jan 30, 2021 1:24 am

    There it is yet again. The CIA always always always adds bathroom humor to get that reaction from the western public. Its used to demean the target. Its in their psychological warfare manual.

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    Just like ...

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    And....

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    But hey. They even have a guy in this thread fooled.


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    Post  Backman Sat Jan 30, 2021 1:28 am

    The Atlantic. From 2012

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    Post  elconquistador Sat Jan 30, 2021 1:39 am

    Top notch entertainment in this thread. Watching people having online meltdowns never gets old, especially when they are not too switched on to begin with.

    The middle school styled 'coolest-kid-at-the-playground' pseudo ebonics are the icing on the cake.

    Keep it coming!
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    Post  Backman Sat Jan 30, 2021 1:55 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Let's not forget his sources - Bill Browder LOL.

    Shall we post the documentary The Maginsky Act that he tried having banned?

    Here's Bill Browder assaulting a woman and running across the street to avoid being served a subpoena regarding the lies he told about Magnitski. Bill deserves his own thread.

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    Post  miketheterrible Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:04 am

    Tsavo will just defend him.
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    Post  Backman Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:57 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Tsavo will just defend him.

    Which is strange. Because Browder was one of the main theives plundering Russia in the 90's. Putin told them all you can keep what you have , just pay some taxes. Most of them had the common sense to take the deal. But not Browder or Kordokovski. They wanted to keep the 90's plunder going. And they've been lobbying for it to this day.

    The Kordokovski foundation funds Navalny. And Tsavos is posting their material here.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:03 am

    To be fair, Putin also said that he will kill Chechen terrorists even in toilets.
    Today, many schools have no indoor toilets in Russia. The real incomes came down >10% since 2013, & the RF has 20M below poverty line, or ~every 7th citizen.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnF9A4sUgZ4

    Who finances Navalny: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByN4rGHEOKc
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    Post  calripson Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:12 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:To be fair, Putin also said that he will kill Chechen terrorists even in toilets.
    Today, many schools have no indoor toilets in Russia. The real incomes came down >10% since 2013, & the RF has 20M below poverty line, or ~every 7th citizen.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnF9A4sUgZ4

    Who finances Navalny: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByN4rGHEOKc

    Real incomes have come down because the West has been waging economic warfare on Russia for 7 years. Considering their move into fracking - aimed right at Russia and Iran - and their sanction plays, the Russian economy has held up remarkably well.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:44 am

    Perhaps if Putin didn't rule that long, most, if not all, of those sanctions & other measures to weaken the RF economy wouldn't have been imposed at all. His friend Trump is a political corpse now, & Putin may become 1 sooner than any1 expects.

    https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2021/01/29/7281709/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIoHkq84Lc0&t=66s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crcfIuggH3s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbRoZyuOijk


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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 30, 2021 10:25 am

    -what is it for u to defend Putin & his policies from NZ?

    The man has transformed Russia from a place nobody really cared about, to some where where western politicians fear what Putins policies are doing to the average Russian citizen.

    Unsubstantiated claims that he is a thief are amusing because he has probably had enormous opportunities to feather his own bed... the west would offer him billions if he would just let them access the thousands of trillions of dollars worth of assets he seems to prefer to deny them.

    I think he has courage, and I am not surprised the west wants to demonise him because if the people of the west better understood him they might start wondering why EU leaders are such mealy mouthed censored who immediately jump to Washingtons commands like a bunch of bitches, and why the leadership of the US for the past 30 years have not transformed the west the way putin has transformed Russia, but instead have actually done what the west now accuses Putin of doing.... rewarding the rich for stealing openly from everyone else.

    The main problem for western propaganda is that the corruption and oligarchs in the west don't even bother hiding their manipulation of democracy... 750 billion in bailouts for rich western banks.... no problem... you want to pay working americans 500 bucks... you better work hard to convince me that that wont cause a tear in the fabric of the universe and destroy everything... You can't give money to the peasants!!!!

    -no need for that: he can just declassify all relevant info. if he is clean & wants to stay clean!

    He is clean. The mud the west throws does not stick because the west lives in mud, and does not understand the concept of bathing.

    Someone who points out the emperor has no clothes like Snowden and Assange is all the proof you need... they release mercenaries convicted of cold blooded killing in Iraq but Assange and Snowden cannot be forgiven... because they reveal the corruption goes all the way to the top in the west.

    -perhaps now he wouldn't go there, after all the negative publicity.

    Well it is not his so I don't see why he would go there... publicity or not... but the publicity is western and really does not effect his ratings as president of Russia.

    As much as the west likes to think it is influential... the Russian people haven't listened to them yet... hell if western media was to be believed Killary was going to beat Trump easily...

    he didn't spend a single ruble from his pocket on it- a small portion came from the gov. budget but the rest from the oligarchs, i.e. all the Russians they robbed....

    So why are you dribbling on about it being his palace then?

    -don't change the subject. Other leaders dealt with Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, Hirohito, Brezhnev & Mao, but it's not a valid excuse to absolve them of their crimes.

    Yeah, except establishing the crimes of those other leaders is a bit easier and much less politically motivated.

    Putins crimes appear to be made up... and even if accurate don't really amount to very much at all.

    -mostly thanks to high oil prices, which also allowed the USSR to stand that long.

    No. If they really were criminals like the Ukraine for instance, then all the wealth they earned from oil and gas and other resources would be funneled away to private and secret bank accounts in Panama or in Switzerland, while the Russian people will be wonder where all taht money went because it can't be stolen AND be used to build up the economy and restore infrastructure and the military etc etc.

    Russia is a significant power today because Putin is NOT a thief... if he was a thief Russia would look like the Ukraine does now which shows you the result of... what 6 years of abuse?

    If he was a thief Russia would be four times worse off than the Ukraine is now.

    -even if true, it's still not a valid excuse to absolve Putin's circle of their crimes.

    What crimes. You haven't mentioned any yet. Nothing that is believable anyway.

    -not true, I heard what she said on the video, I do understand Russian.

    Was that the video when he first visited her and she accepted his apology, or the second video when Navalnys goons had had the chance to have a chat and she changed her tune?

    - show me the evidence it was he or people under him that did it with his knowledge! I can also claim that it was made up by his enemies.

    I don't have to show you anything... he was convicted in a Russian court of law... that is where his suspended sentence came from... the one whose parole conditions he flouted which is why he is back in custody and likely wont be let out till he has another court case regarding his violating his parole conditions.

    -not to those who r tired of Putin & his lies!

    Yeah, school kids mostly, and less than 1% of the adult voting population...

    - they let him travel to other cities with killer agents who tried to kill him r bigger criminals, & they went outside the law; & then to Germany, so they violated it too; if his check-in was so needed, the VKS could send a plane to pick him up.

    His check in was a requirement of his parole... he didn't check in... for several months before he got sick so being sick is no excuse.

    Violating parole means they will probably impose the sentence that was suspended... 3.5 years jail... for the original offence and perhaps an extra year or two for the parole violations.

    They were light on him last time... not likely to be as nice this time.

    - they manipulated the figures; with new Constitution his earlier terms were annulled, allowing to rule longer & get "elected" again.

    You sound like a Trump supporter... but you are a democrat voting for Creepy Joe, so you mean it was Russian Hackers...

    The old Constitution was hogwash imposed during Yeltsens reign by Americans. This new Constitution is by Russians and makes rather more sense.

    It allows him to stand again two more times but he still has to get the votes to win just like anyone else.

    And if he loses the second team is the commies... you can imagine how that will go down in the west.

    tell that to all the Ms of poor folks there that will stay poor under Putin.

    According to Putins speech at Davos there are less people in the poor category in Russia than there are in the US... the number of people who are considered poor has dropped by a factor of 12.

    Maybe that is why he gets voted in?

    I wasn't comparing them; Putin is a lot bigger nut to crack.

    Comparing two stones in your shoe with a flawless diamond the size of your fist...

    I'm expressing my opinion in support of those in Russia who share it.

    So am I... you with your 1% and me with my 70%.

    MY MENTALITY IS SIMILAR TO THAT OF THE MOST RUSSIANS'

    1%.

    THE CRIMINAL BUSH WHO WENT AWOL IN THE TX ANG ALSO GOT ELECTED BY FRAUD, SO THEY R EVEN NOW. EVEN IF TRUE, THE WHITE RACISTS R THE MINORITY NOW,& DEMOCRACY IS THE RULE OF MAJORITY.

    America is all racist... half are anti white and the other half anti everything else...


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    https://www.youtube.com/wtch?v=0ENIYHg-vHg

    https://www.youtube.com/atch?v=HxqJ6sTR1EA

    https://www.youtube.comwatch?v=axW5iEk2JMc

    https://www.youtube.co/watch?v=yYgUUg8kYhE

    Links without descriptions breaks this forums rules.

    Please stop doing that.



    Here's Bill Browder assaulting a woman and running across the street to avoid being served a subpoena regarding the lies he told about Magnitski. Bill deserves his own thread.

    Just shoot him.

    Perhaps if Putin didn't rule that long, most, if not all, of those sanctions & other measures to weaken RF economy wouldn't have been/be imposed at all.

    They want Putin gone so they can steal resources from the next schmuk in the presidents chair.

    Perhaps Russia should forget about the west and think about its future without them... they are in a better position to do that than any other country on the planet.... they already make most of everything they need... thanks to Putin.


    https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2021/01/29/7281709/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIoHkq84Lc0&t=66s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crcfIuggH3s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbRoZyuOijk

    Posting links to videos without a description is not allowed on this forum.

    The fact that the top link is a Ukrainian site tells me I should start deleting your posts now.

    It is up to you.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 30, 2021 10:28 am

    Perhaps if Putin didn't rule that long, most, if not all, of those sanctions & other measures to weaken the RF economy wouldn't have been imposed at all.

    That perhaps says it all, that you think the west should be deciding who runs Russia... I realise that in America there is a very distorted view of what democracy is... it has clearly warped your understanding of it.

    No wonder democracy is a dirty word.

    Today, many schools have no indoor toilets in Russia. The real incomes came down >10% since 2013, & the RF has 20M below poverty line, or ~every 7th citizen.

    List your sources please.

    The funny thing is that indoor toilets are sexist and wont be allowed in the US before long.... Twisted Evil

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    Post  Backman Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:43 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:To be fair, Putin also said that he will kill Chechen terrorists even in toilets.
    Today, many schools have no indoor toilets in Russia. The real incomes came down >10% since 2013, & the RF has 20M below poverty line, or ~every 7th citizen.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnF9A4sUgZ4

    Who finances Navalny: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByN4rGHEOKc

    20 million ? The USA has almost double that living below the poverty line. 38 million in 2018. The numbers are just coming in for 2020 and covid. Its going to be bad.

    US deaths of despair numbers are around the same as communist east Germany in the late 80's. Again. This is pre covid.

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